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Sargon retractedI rejected the idea of SJW takeover in KiA, but this tweet by Sargon shows a mod promoting discrimination by identity politics. We need to talk about this. (twitter.com)

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[–]NightOfTheLivingHam 24ポイント25ポイント  (30子コメント)

This.

This right here.

This is what is wrong with social justice.

eye for an eye, let the sons suffer for the sins of the father, etc.

This "progressiveness" is far from it, it's just flipping the table and punishing new generations for shit that happened decades ago by people who did things before they even existed.

That somehow, an entire gender or race must "pay" for the crimes of their ancestors.

Here's the kicker: once the pendulum swings the other way, do you honestly thing it'll swing back?

No. Anyone who gets to be on top and subjugate another class or group of people will enjoy doing so and will make sure that the pendulum will not swing back, except this time, they'll keep saying "remember that time you all mistreated us? fuck you, it isnt racism!" and justify worse and worse crimes. Just like how the white majority did increasingly horrible things to blacks after the civil war, Many southern whites were pissy about how fucked over they got by the US govt after the civil war. The North made sure to humiliate the southerners, give positions of power to former slaves, and made shit worse.

Something Lincoln wanted to prevent because the following happened as a result of "swinging the pendulum" :

The southerners decided to lash back.

We are in the middle of one of the most progressive eras in the US. Blacks can vote, women can vote, gays can marry. a century of civil rights movements made that possible. Not through "swing the pendulum" but "Treat everyone equally." It's way better than it was even 20 years ago.

Now, the SJ movement wants to swing the pendulum to punish people for shit that happened half a century ago based on genitalia and skin color. Which is a gigantic step back. and will cause lashback. Want to see gays, transgenders, and women getting killed or harmed? The people you attack online for "micro aggressions" and other misc crimes that are made up on the fly will not be the ones doing it. In fact many of them would defend them in a heartbeat. The white supremacists, the religious right, the xenophobes, the real oppressors would come out to play, they would be "justified" to attack the women, gays, and trans folks.

tl;dr: the pendulum theory is basically "an eye for an eye" which if was followed every day, the entire world would be blind. It will just result in violent backlash, race wars, and real bonafide gender wars.

Maybe that's what these people want to see. Create very real problems so they can "fix" them.

Except if shit goes that way, these people won't be able to fix them.

Outside the internet liberal echo chamber, the conservative extreme right is growing, and the more stupid misguided shit that comes from the extreme left, the more the extreme right is looking justified.

This is why Donald Trump is popular, he echoes the feelings of the far right.

[–]Agkistro13 1ポイント2ポイント  (29子コメント)

In fact many of them would defend them in a heartbeat. The white supremacists, the religious right, the xenophobes, the real oppressors would come out to play, they would be "justified" to attack the women, gays, and trans folks.

The actual problem are folks like you who obviously believe 99.99% of everything the SJW's tell you- who the good guys are, who the bad guys are, who to condemn, who to protect- but think the same goddamned people who you endorse in all other ways are going to leave video games alone if you stamp your feet and cry. Stop empowering them. Stop buffering every 'anti-SJW' tirade with the 'of course we all know religious people and 'xenophobes' are the real bad guys here'.

You just sound like last year's SJW butthurt because the beast you fed finally turned on video games and moderate lefties.

[–]NightOfTheLivingHam 4ポイント5ポイント  (28子コメント)

Nice way to go way off base off one thing I said. I'm referring to the religious extremists here.

Maybe you didnt grow up during the 90's when they were mailing pipe bombs to abortion doctors and attacking abortion clinics.

We're talking about the opposite end of the extreme here. The people who think mexicans are to blame for our economic woes, people who think gays will make jesus not save america, people who are threatened by the very idea that women have any kind of voice. They tend to reside on the far right end of the political spectrum.

Extreme actions have extreme counter-actions. the SJW's want to push the envelope to the extreme, and the opposite end of the spectrum, the far right, the people that even most conservatives do not feel comfortable associating with (just how most liberals are uncomfortable with these social justice types) will react accordingly.

It's not a theoretical concept either. It's been an issue in history.

I love how the common insult that has been growing in this sub lately is if you dont step in line or say something off-kilter it makes you an SJW.

The hell I believe anything these shitheads have said at any point. This is one of the reasons I'm starting to become disillusioned with this sub, there is SJW co-opting starting to happen, and hey, look, people are reacting accordingly, lashing back. Even at people who arent SJW's. Extreme actions have extreme counter-actions. I love how you immediately knee-jerk because I DARE even say anything against conservatives. That must make me a full cuck SJW, right? It should also be noted this is the kind of cannibalization these people want to see happen.

Get over yourself.

[–]Agkistro13 3ポイント4ポイント  (27子コメント)

Nice way to go way off base off one thing I said. I'm referring to the religious extremists here. Maybe you didnt grow up during the 90's when they were mailing pipe bombs to abortion doctors and attacking abortion clinics.

No, I grew up in the 70's and 80's, and I've watched the generation that came after me be lapped up everything the SJW media told them about religious people and every other enemy of the far left: for example, the way a couple of bombs sent to abortion clinics resonates as a defining characteristic of a decade, and the similar actions taken by hardcore environmentists do not.

The reason KIA seems to be taken over by SJW's is because your typical GG person believed and STILL believes everything the hard left told them right up until August 28th, 2014. That why you have ridiculous threads and posts that do things like try to claim the SJW menace isn't a lefty thing.

[–]NightOfTheLivingHam 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you want my honest opinion, I think the SJW thing is being brought about by the wealthy elite of this nation (the people pushing the white privilege angle and have conferences on how to make white children as young as 8 feel bad for being white at all) are all wealthy folks. This bullshit started at the very end of the occupy protests and took over how people were ALLOWED to protest within the ranks based on "privilege"

I think it's more or less a distraction to keep people away from getting pissed at the wealth distribution problem in this country. No one college aged seems to care much about that now as they did 4 years ago. Now they're more worried about offending people. It doesnt help the whole thing is being fed by trust funders from wealthy families either. Jonathan McIntosh is also from a wealthy family that is conservative, and many of his "liberal and progressive" ideas that he feeds through Anita Sarkeesian seem to be oldschool conservative ideas, like women being weak and needing protection. Women not being able to stand on their own. Which is where I say the conservative angle comes from, albeit a very old one. The idea that women are fragile creatures and need protection from evil men does not stem from the supposedly modern liberal idea of women, who are empowered and can be independent of men and can handle their own shit.

Though ironically I see more women who meet that description on the conservative side of things, which is especially lulzy. All the women I know who don't subscribe to feminism can do things on their own just fine, or are more conservative in belief. My sister is a self-admitted feminist, and as much as she bitches about my gf not being independent and how independent she herself is. She screams for help all the time, needs my money to help her along in life and cannot fully support herself where my gf is on her own, with little to no familial support.

maybe we're in a political shift? Where ideas and concepts are trading sides?

edit: I just realized something. Most SJW's are hipsters, hipsters have a fetish for old shit like records and 1950's or 1960's clothing styles or dumb moustaches from the 1800's or whatever, maybe they are so sucked into the old way of things that they are bringing back old ways of thinking too, like the idea that women are fragile little creatures that need to be protected.

[–]Agkistro13 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's interesting. I see it as more of a historical/temporal thing than a wealth thing, as I see people who are broke as shit that adopt the SJW attitude too...though not perhaps as much. I think you are on to something that it's centered with the affluent. The way I see it, the way history is taught now, only people like Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln and etc. are taught with any respect- emancipators. Patton isn't presented as a role model. Henry Ford is presented as an asshole, so is Edison, and basically any other American who accomplished something other than 'advancing equality'. So this new generation coming up can only be good people (in their own eyes) if they follow that path...except there isn't much to be done anymore. Like it or not, blacks and women and so on can basically do what they want, and don't get shit on any more than anybody else. But...you can't be the next Martin Luther King if nobody is being oppressed! So the SJW is in a position where they have to make up new 'marginalized groups' to save, or else make up new kinds of oppression that the old marginalized groups are subject to, in order to feel good about themselves for fighting the power.

I think the main reason this skews affluent is because it skews higher-education, and that, of course, is because of who controls academia. A poor person either can't go to college, or if they do, they are actually going to learn a vocation, not humanities-type-stuff.

I think the reason SJWs aren't concerned with economic inequality is because it literally isn't a problem in their sphere of concern. The poor in the U.S. and Western Europe still have internet access, clean water, healthcare, Starbucks, and etc. They aren't lying around moaning with flies on their faces like the poor in much of the rest of the world. Caring about real poverty means caring about brown people on the other side of the planet, and it just happens to be that your typical person, especially your typical young person, just doesn't have that kind of empathy in them.

As far as women and conservatism, I guess I'd agree. The stronger, more stable women I know tend to be more conservative. I wouldn't call them 'independent' because they don't feel a need to constantly prove themselves.

[–]2yph0n 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think its the top rich justice scammers have a control over the poorer ones.

In GamerGate, especially, Anita, ZQ, and Wu are all well off financially.

The poorer ones just keep on taking their shit as gospel in good faith. Its akin to those thousands of people attending Christian tele-evengelist's conferences.

[–]Xyluz85 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the core idea of SJWs isn't leftist at all. Judging people by the color of their skin and gender is inherently right-wing.

Yes, it's mostly the left that is infected with SJWism, doesn't mean the core ideas of SJWs are nowhere to be find in right-wing circles.