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[–]500500[M] 1152ポイント1153ポイント  (193子コメント)

It means that the /r/vive subreddit is not a social media asset of the HTC corporation. It is a subreddit for users of reddit and independent..

It means that /r/vive will reject any attempt by HTC to secure moderation positions and with it the ability to censor and dictate content.

It means that /r/vive mods will NOT TAKE PERKS and will report any entity that tries to offer bribes or compensation for moderator actions.

The role of moderators is just to ensure that the subreddit stays on topic and spam.

It is not to take perks or to take instruction from corporations.

It means that all subreddit business is kept in mod mail

Unfortunately, some of the moderators engaged in improper relationships with HTC and I judged it best to start fresh.

There was also some worry lack of action from the admins

A PM and a reply when I reported it to the admins https://i.imgur.com/rPPjH6I.png

A mod mail dump.
http://i.imgur.com/I7zfNKE.jpg

I can stress that the previous mod team were naive and easily misled . They did not understand the role of moderators.

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[–]m-p-3 369ポイント370ポイント  (26子コメント)

Thanks for not adding them as mod.

The /r/Pebble subreddit had Pebble employees as mods and there was some drama about that when some users posted about an unannounced version of the Pebble smartwatch ahead of time, and mod-employees decided to delete those posts to cover up the leak. They were subsequently removed from the moderation team for these actions.

I don't have a problem if they want to participate and engage with the community. I think their account should be flaired as such to distinguish them.

[–]kubuntud 113ポイント114ポイント  (25子コメント)

Common sense right?

I am sure there are a bunch of super naive kids here as the only reason for HTC to want mod rights is to control the content. There has been so much drama in other subs for stuff like that.

Can't we just have one place that has honesty and freedom from corporate control? Seems we can thanks to a couple of mods with integrity.

I also love how salty some of the removed mods are now their free Vive's have been denied.

This gives me huge confidence in this sub going forward.

[–]KSteeze 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey man, I'm with you. You're defending the integrity of the subreddit.

[–]ixora7 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Awesome to see someone with your integrity. I know it's just the Internet and who cares but fuck it man what you did was pretty damn cool.

[–]Intardnation 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

thank you for not shilling out.

[–]duhhuh 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

ethics win

management fail

Seriously, if this is all the communication that took place, there's the failure. Instead, it may turn out that all those flipped tables can never be repaired.

[–]bhp5 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for protecting your sub from arsehole mods.

[–]Thoras 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mod mail really shed light on this whole situation. Thanks for the clarity. You've got a new subscriber.

[–]laaars 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

thanks for not selling out reddit

[–]RedditMan77 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here! Here! Reddit's integrity is maintained. I've never seen this kind of integrity in my life. I thought everyone sells out these days. I'm grateful to be taught that isn't true.

[–]lefonty 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

I support your decision and while i think your actions were rather blunt and kind of unhelpful your intentions were good. It's very obvious as you stated in the mod mail that HTC offering to help by adding content and being a source of information is great, but that in no way shape or form requires them to have moderator access. Communication is not made easier because a PR manager was made a mod.

It's clear from the mod mail conversations that what was going on wasn't nefarious or harmful, but thats how these things start. No body in the world wants to be a mouth piece for a cooperation or censor other people, but thats how it starts. You can't excuse small infractions and obvious but "minor" conflicts of interest because it seems harmless in the current time.

[–]SmorlFox 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

For what its worth, i'm right behind you man. Good job.

[–]relkin43 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow screw the reddit admins; I mean I know they're junk but seriously? Outright bribery of mods and they have no problem with this?

[–]prjindigo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love bribery... I give nothing back but I'm fine with taking bribes.

[–]Bobz79 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow what a fucking hero.

[–]2flock 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

I support this vision. Can I be a moderator?

[–]500500 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

ok

[–]2flock 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks man!

[–]MRxPifko 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll take this time to submit my application as well, please! I support HTC personally, but I want them to succeed on their own merits.

[–]1678745 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good job dude! You have a new subscriber :)

[–]7even6ix2wo 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/physics has gone to shit since they got rid of /u/fauster and these new moderators are in there

[–]Fauster 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Aww, shucks, thanks! But losing control of /r/physics was mostly my fault. I managed to mistype the same long password twice after the heartbleed bug. I had recently graduated with my PhD in theoretical physics, and my reset was tied to my deleted university e-mail account. I was told by the admins that they wouldn't allow me to reset the password, even though a few admins knew who my real-life ID from e-mail correspondence, and I could prove my identity. Of course, they sent me a reset link right after I lost control of /r/physics. I don't think that the admins liked a major subreddit that only censored spam, and the world's most dedicated troll.

I do like the new /r/physics interface, but it does seem a much less active subreddit than the old days. In my opinion, physicists have done a shit job of communicating the field to outsiders, and that's one of the reasons there's so much woo that invokes physics. Rather than censoring people who said something wrong or unscientific, I felt it was better to let people argue, and that there was no danger that an observer would assume that a heavily downvoted post was correct. And besides, physics isn't about protecting dogma, you're allowed to question the fundamental postulates, whether the standard model is right, etc.. And even if someone says something completely wrong and free of math, there are often valid theories that are in some way related to the concept. But I understand that people in the field were upset at being forced to defend and explain physics to less educated plebs.

But it's all water under the bridge. It was fun while it lasted, and now I actually have time to work.

[–]7even6ix2wo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their auto-moderator settings are outrageous concerning what posts and comments they will make invisible. Content has degraded heavily from the debate themed atmosphere in your tenure to the truth-comes-from-authority ethos they have now.

[–]L1cketyspl1t 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I respect your integrity.

[–]Autorotator 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good lookin' out!

[–]JoatMasterofNun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a fellow mod, bravo to you. I commend your actions and dedication to the community.

[–]Ando31 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shoot, I'll take some perks!?!

[–]c0mmandhat 8ポイント9ポイント  (38子コメント)

Please note: This is not a "screw you, add the mod team back" threat. This is me trying to clear things up in a very blunt manner.

So the role of moderators is to screw up a good CSS theme and add a really blatant "the old mod team were being bribed" notice (that isn't even true)? Responded to here; "CSS doesn't hurt anyone... I was sick of corporate style, looking to overhaul it"

The modmail dump also does not include your own reply to any of this. So all I see is everyone saying "yes, we'd love to have someone helping out!" I forgot once again that reddit is special when it comes to PMs and doesn't show your own username, which hurts readbility in situations like these in my opinion.

You're handling this whole thing like a child; instead of talking with the HTC person in questsion to stop offering perks, you remove the entire mod team, add a couple randoms, report the HTC spokesperson with no warning, and expect no resistance at all. That's a nuke & pave method of moderating, and it has never helped anyone.

Since I'm still getting attention, I'd like to point out they [meaning HTC] may not have read the rules all the way and most of this is just /u/500500 following Reddit rules and regulations. It's clearly stated you can't offer perks or money for any reason. Source

[–]DoubleDot7 53ポイント54ポイント  (4子コメント)

Seems like it was an attempt at transparency. Could have been handled better, but I'd prefer an impartial mod team rather than one that's receiving perks, possibly in exchange for stifling any negative publicity.

[–]muchcharles 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why should he give a warning to HTC before reporting them for breaking the rules? That just gives them a chance to try and cover stuff up and make sure everyone "gets their story straight."

[–]500500[M] 117ポイント118ポイント  (22子コメント)

My reply is in the modmail but not my account name beacause it is my inbox READ it

500500 says

"no, I don't think moderators hooking up with HTC social media is good for the community or of any benefit to this subreddit."

500500 says

"If HTC want to submit content to this subreddit and it meets our rules, then that is all there is to it. If that submission helps them create content for the tour, then good for them. I'm really not sure what they have in mind though. I just want to emphasise how simple any relationship should be."

The problem was that people were talking to HTC away from moderator mail and next minute there is a big push to add them as moderators. At the same time the HTC account was offering the moderator team PERKs. This is documented in the screenshots.

[–]c0mmandhat -4ポイント-3ポイント  (21子コメント)

I'm an idiot, I'll strike out that part of the post.

I'd still like to see a reply to the rest of my comment; in particular the very first sentence.

edit: Don't downvote the guy above me; I made a mistake, he corrected me.

[–]Hysterics7787 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

So basically you're saying that HTC, a huge corporation, was just unaware that this was a blatent abuse of Reddits rules? I sincerely doubt that, they have people whose job is to make sure they're not liable for anything or breaking any rules, as well as PR teams who would be very knowledgeable about this stuff...

As far as your first sentence goes, this is his sub. He saw his mod team going behind his back, and pushing for things he was directly against. He reacted in kind. I'd do the same thing. Sounds like he was pretty clear about his position, and people decided to go behind his back. I wouldn't trust anyone like that.

Doesn't really seem like he did anything crazy, you're sort of just wording it that way and acting like he's over reacting. I wonder if you have any vested interest, to care this much...?

[–]turnipsoup 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. I have worked in a corporate environment for many a year and it's very simple for someone to start running with an idea and it not have any official sanction or awareness past a local manager level. I'd not be too quick to call foul, though obviously its not in the best of taste.

[–]500500 38ポイント39ポイント  (18子コメント)

So the role of moderators is to screw up a good CSS theme and add a really blatant "the old mod team were being bribed" notice (that isn't even true)?

CSS is for fun. It doesn't affect anyone. This isn't a corporate subreddit where we don't have to give a shit. Obviously it could be something else but I was feeling a bit sick looking at the corporate stylings . I will leave it up for a bit to give your complaint some context but will look to overhaul all of it.

The note is a message to HTC Corporation who have been persistently trying to court the moderation team. I'm making it absolutely clear that /r/Vive will not accept bribes or perks. I am not saying the old mods were bribed. It didn't get near that but there was not enough resistance to HTC Corporate, not enough reporting and too much interest in talking to them offline. So as a minor point they were removed so that I could put some established accounts in the top moderation positions

[–]Denyborg 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

report the HTC spokesperson with no warning

Why would the HTC spokesperson expect that anyone owes them a "warning" before reporting them for shady activity?

[–]Hysterics7787 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I also doubt HTCs post got voted to the top by genuine users. Vote manipulation at it's finest.

[–]The_Sweet_Life 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

fucking apologist scum

[–]MarcusJBrony -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wah wah, shut the fuck up.

[–]miroku000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad you posted this. I feel a bit better that /u/TheFlyingBastard did raise the ethical issues with everyone. As a non-moderator I volunteer to receive any and all perks especially the opportunity to try out a Vive. ;)

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[–]codemanj94 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regardless of what others say, I think you did the right thing. Don't sweat the shit posters.

[–]flickering_truth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are awesome, very impressed, i wish there were more people with your strength, intelligence and integrity :)

[–]xcxv -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I promise I will only buy Oculus to support your struggle