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Why is there a goomba and this strange notice?: http://imgur.com/Izq0NoK

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[–]500500[M] 1152ポイント1153ポイント  (193子コメント)

It means that the /r/vive subreddit is not a social media asset of the HTC corporation. It is a subreddit for users of reddit and independent..

It means that /r/vive will reject any attempt by HTC to secure moderation positions and with it the ability to censor and dictate content.

It means that /r/vive mods will NOT TAKE PERKS and will report any entity that tries to offer bribes or compensation for moderator actions.

The role of moderators is just to ensure that the subreddit stays on topic and spam.

It is not to take perks or to take instruction from corporations.

It means that all subreddit business is kept in mod mail

Unfortunately, some of the moderators engaged in improper relationships with HTC and I judged it best to start fresh.

There was also some worry lack of action from the admins

A PM and a reply when I reported it to the admins https://i.imgur.com/rPPjH6I.png

A mod mail dump.
http://i.imgur.com/I7zfNKE.jpg

I can stress that the previous mod team were naive and easily misled . They did not understand the role of moderators.

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[–]m-p-3 367ポイント368ポイント  (26子コメント)

Thanks for not adding them as mod.

The /r/Pebble subreddit had Pebble employees as mods and there was some drama about that when some users posted about an unannounced version of the Pebble smartwatch ahead of time, and mod-employees decided to delete those posts to cover up the leak. They were subsequently removed from the moderation team for these actions.

I don't have a problem if they want to participate and engage with the community. I think their account should be flaired as such to distinguish them.

[–]kubuntud 113ポイント114ポイント  (25子コメント)

Common sense right?

I am sure there are a bunch of super naive kids here as the only reason for HTC to want mod rights is to control the content. There has been so much drama in other subs for stuff like that.

Can't we just have one place that has honesty and freedom from corporate control? Seems we can thanks to a couple of mods with integrity.

I also love how salty some of the removed mods are now their free Vive's have been denied.

This gives me huge confidence in this sub going forward.

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    [–]KSteeze 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hey man, I'm with you. You're defending the integrity of the subreddit.

    [–]ixora7 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Awesome to see someone with your integrity. I know it's just the Internet and who cares but fuck it man what you did was pretty damn cool.

    [–]Intardnation 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    thank you for not shilling out.

    [–]duhhuh 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ethics win

    management fail

    Seriously, if this is all the communication that took place, there's the failure. Instead, it may turn out that all those flipped tables can never be repaired.

    [–]bhp5 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for protecting your sub from arsehole mods.

    [–]Thoras 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The mod mail really shed light on this whole situation. Thanks for the clarity. You've got a new subscriber.

    [–]laaars 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

    thanks for not selling out reddit

    [–]RedditMan77 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Here! Here! Reddit's integrity is maintained. I've never seen this kind of integrity in my life. I thought everyone sells out these days. I'm grateful to be taught that isn't true.

    [–]lefonty 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I support your decision and while i think your actions were rather blunt and kind of unhelpful your intentions were good. It's very obvious as you stated in the mod mail that HTC offering to help by adding content and being a source of information is great, but that in no way shape or form requires them to have moderator access. Communication is not made easier because a PR manager was made a mod.

    It's clear from the mod mail conversations that what was going on wasn't nefarious or harmful, but thats how these things start. No body in the world wants to be a mouth piece for a cooperation or censor other people, but thats how it starts. You can't excuse small infractions and obvious but "minor" conflicts of interest because it seems harmless in the current time.

    [–]SmorlFox 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For what its worth, i'm right behind you man. Good job.

    [–]relkin43 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Wow screw the reddit admins; I mean I know they're junk but seriously? Outright bribery of mods and they have no problem with this?

    [–]prjindigo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I love bribery... I give nothing back but I'm fine with taking bribes.

    [–]Bobz79 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow what a fucking hero.

    [–]2flock 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I support this vision. Can I be a moderator?

    [–]500500 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

    ok

    [–]2flock 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Thanks man!

    [–]MRxPifko 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'll take this time to submit my application as well, please! I support HTC personally, but I want them to succeed on their own merits.

    [–]1678745 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good job dude! You have a new subscriber :)

    [–]7even6ix2wo 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    /r/physics has gone to shit since they got rid of /u/fauster and these new moderators are in there

    [–]Fauster 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Aww, shucks, thanks! But losing control of /r/physics was mostly my fault. I managed to mistype the same long password twice after the heartbleed bug. I had recently graduated with my PhD in theoretical physics, and my reset was tied to my deleted university e-mail account. I was told by the admins that they wouldn't allow me to reset the password, even though a few admins knew who my real-life ID from e-mail correspondence, and I could prove my identity. Of course, they sent me a reset link right after I lost control of /r/physics. I don't think that the admins liked a major subreddit that only censored spam, and the world's most dedicated troll.

    I do like the new /r/physics interface, but it does seem a much less active subreddit than the old days. In my opinion, physicists have done a shit job of communicating the field to outsiders, and that's one of the reasons there's so much woo that invokes physics. Rather than censoring people who said something wrong or unscientific, I felt it was better to let people argue, and that there was no danger that an observer would assume that a heavily downvoted post was correct. And besides, physics isn't about protecting dogma, you're allowed to question the fundamental postulates, whether the standard model is right, etc.. And even if someone says something completely wrong and free of math, there are often valid theories that are in some way related to the concept. But I understand that people in the field were upset at being forced to defend and explain physics to less educated plebs.

    But it's all water under the bridge. It was fun while it lasted, and now I actually have time to work.

    [–]7even6ix2wo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Their auto-moderator settings are outrageous concerning what posts and comments they will make invisible. Content has degraded heavily from the debate themed atmosphere in your tenure to the truth-comes-from-authority ethos they have now.

    [–]L1cketyspl1t 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I respect your integrity.

    [–]Autorotator 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good lookin' out!

    [–]JoatMasterofNun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As a fellow mod, bravo to you. I commend your actions and dedication to the community.

    [–]Ando31 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Shoot, I'll take some perks!?!

    [–]c0mmandhat 12ポイント13ポイント  (38子コメント)

    Please note: This is not a "screw you, add the mod team back" threat. This is me trying to clear things up in a very blunt manner.

    So the role of moderators is to screw up a good CSS theme and add a really blatant "the old mod team were being bribed" notice (that isn't even true)? Responded to here; "CSS doesn't hurt anyone... I was sick of corporate style, looking to overhaul it"

    The modmail dump also does not include your own reply to any of this. So all I see is everyone saying "yes, we'd love to have someone helping out!" I forgot once again that reddit is special when it comes to PMs and doesn't show your own username, which hurts readbility in situations like these in my opinion.

    You're handling this whole thing like a child; instead of talking with the HTC person in questsion to stop offering perks, you remove the entire mod team, add a couple randoms, report the HTC spokesperson with no warning, and expect no resistance at all. That's a nuke & pave method of moderating, and it has never helped anyone.

    Since I'm still getting attention, I'd like to point out they [meaning HTC] may not have read the rules all the way and most of this is just /u/500500 following Reddit rules and regulations. It's clearly stated you can't offer perks or money for any reason. Source

    [–]DoubleDot7 56ポイント57ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Seems like it was an attempt at transparency. Could have been handled better, but I'd prefer an impartial mod team rather than one that's receiving perks, possibly in exchange for stifling any negative publicity.

    [–]muchcharles 32ポイント33ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Why should he give a warning to HTC before reporting them for breaking the rules? That just gives them a chance to try and cover stuff up and make sure everyone "gets their story straight."

    [–]500500[M] 116ポイント117ポイント  (22子コメント)

    My reply is in the modmail but not my account name beacause it is my inbox READ it

    500500 says

    "no, I don't think moderators hooking up with HTC social media is good for the community or of any benefit to this subreddit."

    500500 says

    "If HTC want to submit content to this subreddit and it meets our rules, then that is all there is to it. If that submission helps them create content for the tour, then good for them. I'm really not sure what they have in mind though. I just want to emphasise how simple any relationship should be."

    The problem was that people were talking to HTC away from moderator mail and next minute there is a big push to add them as moderators. At the same time the HTC account was offering the moderator team PERKs. This is documented in the screenshots.

    [–]Denyborg 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

    report the HTC spokesperson with no warning

    Why would the HTC spokesperson expect that anyone owes them a "warning" before reporting them for shady activity?

    [–]Hysterics7787 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I also doubt HTCs post got voted to the top by genuine users. Vote manipulation at it's finest.

    [–]The_Sweet_Life 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    fucking apologist scum

    [–]MarcusJBrony -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wah wah, shut the fuck up.

    [–]miroku000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm glad you posted this. I feel a bit better that /u/TheFlyingBastard did raise the ethical issues with everyone. As a non-moderator I volunteer to receive any and all perks especially the opportunity to try out a Vive. ;)

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    [–]codemanj94 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Regardless of what others say, I think you did the right thing. Don't sweat the shit posters.

    [–]flickering_truth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You are awesome, very impressed, i wish there were more people with your strength, intelligence and integrity :)

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      [–]alien_from_Europa 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

      My advice is to have any free shit forwarded to your users. NEVER accept anything yourself. I mean, if HTC wants to give away 50 HMDs for free to your users, that could be a good thing. Just know that you could never accept one yourself.

      ..even a threesome with beautiful women. You'd have to pass that on to your users as well. Be a wingmod and help a subscriber out, dammit!

      [–]ryan_the_leach -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Unless it was using a verifiability random source, and the mod just happened to win it.

      [–]ItsSeanP 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

      https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3lb6l8/avoid_rvive/

      [–]BOLL7708 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yup, strange things are afoot.

      [–]JPHTC 69ポイント70ポイント  (84子コメント)

      Hello Vive sub. We want to apologize for any confusion and set the record straight. We approached the moderation team about helping out with this sub in order to make it a hub for up and coming Vive information. This meant AMAs with our team, developers, and industry insiders. We also planned to create reddit exclusive content for you, our most knowledgeable supporters. Our hopes were to drive traffic here from other sites because you as a community, our are most important and valuable friends. You have the unique ability to share both your passion and critiques of what we are trying to accomplish in a constructive manner. By pushing traffic here from our social handles and calling it our official subreddit, we were attempting to let the broader public know, this is where they could have a deeper conversation with your community.

      The moderation team allowed me to be a moderator, of which I never changed anything or had plans to. Our team simply wanted a public figure on the forum in case you had a deep question and wanted to find me easily to ask. We were hoping to give the moderation team perks for growing this community and had hopes of working with them to test our system themselves so they could be among the most informed.

      This new sub in question looks to be from the moderation team 500500 banned as moderators before having a conversation with me. We have nothing to do with it and did not ask that to happen. I had reached out to him a couple of times in the past week in hopes of working with him and the rest of the team. He did not respond and was absent from reddit for a few days. The rest of the team made a judgment call and allowed me to join the moderation team. Again, our only hopes were to create unique content for this reddit community and thank the moderation team for spreading the good word.

      We apologize for any confusion this may have caused and would gladly answer any questions regarding the situation. This was never a “corporate take over” situation and we wish 500500 would have had a conversation with us about our intentions prior to this decision. We still want to be a part of this sub and create amazing exclusive and informative content for your community.

      EDIT:

      We want to let the community decide what they want our involvement to be from this time moving forward. At this point we understand moderation rights were not the best option and flair would have been a better alternative. To add clarity around the ‘perks’ mentioned, we wanted to offer mods invitations to local events to try the Vive in person in order to better understand how it works, updates on when major events were occurring, and the ability to offer feedback on what type of content could help the community grow.

      We’d like to work with our partners to plan future AMA’s and other reddit community initiatives. We have always welcomed criticism, as much as praise, because it is the driving force that allows us to offer a better product to you, the community. Please let us know if and how you would like us involved moving forward.

      We truly value your feedback and would love to stay engaged with you on reddit. If you would like us to stay involved, we’ll keep a close eye on the types of AMAs and media content that you think would best help the community flourish."

      [–]annerajb 43ポイント44ポイント  (5子コメント)

      This can be done with just simply a tag associated to your name. That only the mods can give you.

      [–]JPHTC 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Understood and we would have been happy with that option had it been presented as an alternative.

      [–]flambyisyou 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Dude you ask to be part of the mods team... don't play the naive victim and say it's wasn't an alternative...

      [–]milligna 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yeah, but not as happy as you'd be being able to delete posts here and have mod privileges. Am I right? C'mon. It's not a sin to want to help shape the narrative... or how do you call it, better communicate with the community?

      [–]L1cketyspl1t 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

      caught with a hand in the cookie jar.

      [–]Acurus_Cow 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

      If you want to help grow the subreddit. I'm sure you can get a flair as verified HTC-representative. Don't see why you should need any more than that.

      I'm glad /u/500500 took the steps he did. Only way I can be sure I get honest information here. And not censored information designed to make you guys look good. If I want that, I can go to your web page.

      [–]JPHTC 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Understandable. Again, we were in the process of trying to figure out how we could best help the moderation team grow the community. Nothing was changed, deleted or influenced. Had I better understood the significance of flair, I would have readily accepted that as an alternative. 500500 simply had to let me know that was a better route to take.

      [–]palimpsestnine 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Or you could have educated yourself on how reddit works. Flairs are commonly used across subreddits.

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        [–]catchavirus 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

        What kind of "great Vibe perks" were you going to offer the "preexisting modteam"?

        [–]solraun 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

        You still dont seem to be able to understand that the by offering perks to the mod team (i suppose a free vive) undermines the community by putting the mods in htc s pockets. To be honest, I know that you realize it, its why you are doing it. But to publicly state the very fact that you were planning on doing that... astonishing.

        [–]Unacceptable_Lemons 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

        It's not unusual though to provide review units to prominent members of any community. By perks, they may also men invites to events where the team could have reviewed units (which obviously HTC would hope would help drive sales, assuming they're positive).

        [–]HumanistGeek 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It totally makes sense to do so from HTC's perspective. However, it jeopardizes neutrality, which concerns /u/500500 and /u/TheFlyingBastard.

        [–]solraun 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

        But a Moderator is not per se a prominent Member of the community. And actually shouldn't be.

        [–]linknewtab 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They might not be prominent, but they invest a lot of time behind the scenes to make the community work.

        [–]Unacceptable_Lemons 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        In my past community experience at least they have been. I was part of a Nerf-based forum community (which dealt mostly with modding, and definitely ignored all the warnings), and our Admins had a similar line of communication with the Hasbro/Nerf official team. The Admins got some fun review units / freebies, and we as a community got a bunch of behind-the-scenes stuff, and interviews and such. It was good for the community.

        [–]johnnychic 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Don't need be a mod to do any of that.

        [–]throwawaybaha 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You knew what you were doing. The post was well written and politically correct, but it is obvious you knew what you were doing, it's what you were trained and paid to do. Drama aside, this says something about the HTC company itself. Not very good PR.

        [–]Xyyz 17ポイント18ポイント  (25子コメント)

        We also planned to create reddit exclusive content for you, our most knowledgeable supporters.

        What does this mean? Why would we want our content to be exclusive?

        Our team simply wanted a public figure on the forum in case you had a deep question and wanted to find me easily to ask.

        You can just be given a flair and have your name added to the side bar without being a moderator, by the way.

        We were hoping to give the moderation team perks for growing this community and had hopes of working with them to test our system themselves so they could be among the most informed.

        I don't know if this is normal in the industry, but I'm really hoping it isn't. This is not OK.

        [–]JPHTC 21ポイント22ポイント  (18子コメント)

        By exclusive, we mean it is hosted on reddit. AMAs on reddit are exclusive in the fact that someone would come to reddit to see it.

        In regards to testing the system, it made sense that the moderation team could test the platform at one of our events so they could be the most informed and knowledgeable about how it works. That was our only intention.

        [–]Xyyz 12ポイント13ポイント  (16子コメント)

        Moderators are not content creators, though. There's no reason a moderator should get preferential treatment over any random potential reviewer, unless you are trying to influence them.

        [–]JPHTC 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Again, our intention was not to change the role of this sub. We value the criticism as much as the compliments found here as it allows us to create a better product and experience for you guys. Had more of a conversation taken place before this reaction, we could have explained that to 500500.

        [–]johnnychic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You can do AMA without being a mod.

        [–]Gustfaint 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

        While they aren't normally content creators they are influencers within this subreddit I would imagine.

        [–]Xyyz 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

        They can influence, but overall their role is just to remove spam and maintain an environment for discussion according to some vision. Why do the moderator need hands-on experience with a Vive to perform that role?

        [–]Gustfaint 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Right that's their roll but when they post something it's something users of the subreddit will take notice of more than a regular user.

        Enabling a moderator to have an exclusive experience would allow for moderators to have more of an understanding than most of the world (ideally) and be able to relay that information to the subreddit. Whether the info would be objective or not is obviously in the air. HTC obviously can't give everyone here a hands-on experience, so you target the ones who are most influential with the group.

        In an ideal world this is beneficial for both parties - HTC gets exposure while building a relationship with the community and this sub gets "exclusive" peaks at the product sooner than other communities.

        The issue occurs due to the possibility of a review/experience being subjective due to the relationship made. That's more of a trust issue between someone reading a moderator's potential experience.

        Also as a side note relating to HTC being a mod themselves - there's no need. My optimistic side believes they just don't know that they don't need to be one (I work in media with a focus on social - clients can be surprisingly unaware of how different platforms work, even big companies). I believe the HTC rep mentioned they would have been fine having just flair for being a rep.

        [–]TheFlyingBastard 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Enabling a moderator to have an exclusive experience would allow for moderators to have more of an understanding than most of the world (ideally) and be able to relay that information to the subreddit. Whether the info would be objective or not is obviously in the air. HTC obviously can't give everyone here a hands-on experience, so you target the ones who are most influential with the group.

        Sorry, but I couldn't possible use my moderator position for that. I get what you're saying, but I wasn't that influential in the first place.

        I'm here because I love gadgets and I want to help HTC and the users touch base. I'm not that knowledgeable about VR and I'm sure there are dozens of people whose opinions weigh much more than mine since they know what to look for.

        [–]truevox 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I can't speak for you personally, but from the subreddit's I've seen, much of the time (not always, of course :D), the mods are pretty into what even the subject de jour is. They may not be THE MOST into it, but they're usually pretty well versed. There's obviously exceptions (I'm apparently responding to one right now ;D)

        Not trying to take a stand on the greater issue here, mind you (from what I can tell, both parties seem at fault (though I suspect both sides honestly did have the best of intentions) - one for apparently being incommunicative and heavy handed, the other(s?) for potentially violating reddiquette by placing a corperate representitive of a product in a moderator position in a subreddit of that product (which likely isn't that uncommon)). Which, I guess, is just a long winded way to say that I'm just my adding own anecdotes in response to yours. :)

        With all THAT said, it would be nice if reddit would would add some sort of "Official Rep" position that would automatically be listed nearby/along with Mods, along with a visual callout in their names. Nothing with any more power than any other registered user, mind you, just an informational callout. I realize that this can be done today via flairs and sidebar editing, but making it a bit more turnkey would be valuable, I think. I'm personally of the opinion that even on unofficial forums (like most of reddit), direct ties to a directly relevant company can be a VERY valuable thing for users. That is, assuming that there's a chinese wall between company reps and the actual content moderation :D (though I'm not personally offended in corperate art asset assistance, for example, as long as final creative control remains with the community moderators, nor other things that wouldn't be seen as a conflict-of-interest).

        [–]TheFlyingBastard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They may not be THE MOST into it, but they're usually pretty well versed.

        Yeah, exactly. I mean, I can give a good run-down of the Vive and I can enthusiastically spread the gospel to classmates and colleagues if you catch my drift.

        What I do not know much about are the technical details. And aside from Cardboard I don't have any experience with VR. I would bring nothing new to the table that others have not said already.

        Don't get me wrong, I'm dying to try it out, but I would much rather see it tried by someone else, who does have VR experience and who does know a lot about hard- and software development.

        Not trying to take a stand on the greater issue here, ...<snip>... nor other things that wouldn't be seen as a conflict-of-interest).

        I totally agree. The moderator position was a matter of crossed wires, but shouldn't have been given. There were better solutions for it.

        [–]Gustfaint 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Haha I wasn't implying you would, sorry. Should have been clearer.

        I'm speaking in more general terms when it comes to brands reaching out to people in social media. Apologies.

        [–]Xyyz 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        If a moderator makes a regular post and uses his status to bring more attention to it, I would consider that an abuse of the position. Moderators can choose whether their tag appears with any given post. Without the tag, I doubt many people would even know when a post is from a moderator. I personally rarely look at names and I certainly don't keep track of moderator lists for the various subreddits I visit.

        The moment all of a moderator's posts start actually standing out because of their name on the sidebar alone, I would suggest them to use a different account for posting, because that is not a good thing, and you shouldn't try to use that.

        [–]Gustfaint 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's different per sub. I'm not super familiar with this sub but there are ones where everyone who's a regular knows the mod or some similar situation. In those situations it doesn't matter if he tags it or not - people will notice it more. Hope that makes sense what I'm trying to get at x_x and I suppose it wouldn't apply to this sub.

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          [–]ggabriele3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          exclusive

          This is a fundamental disconnect between corporations and customers.

          Gamers don't like exclusive content. It doesn't make us feel good, it doesn't motivate purchases, and nobody wants that to be the reason why we read news here or somewhere else.

          Exclusive news, exclusive content, exclusive hats, exclusive games, exclusive pre-order content, exclusive apps...all that is last-generation 360/PS3 marketing garbage.

          If you have news to post, post it here, and people will upvote it. Cross-post it to other subreddits and it will be upvoted there as well.

          [–]JPHTC 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

          "You can just be given a flair and have your name added to the side bar without being a moderator, by the way."

          This is true and had 500500 and his team offered that, we would have happily agreed.

          [–]Kuratagi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I've seen that discussion in the leaked mod's mails discussion but one of them preferred to add you to the mod team without proper answer. That's not understandable.

          [–]Im_a_Mope 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Out of curiosity, why do you say its not ok?

          [–]Xyyz 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Because it's bribery. Whether there's an actual agreement or not, and sometimes even when the bribed party itself doesn't realise it, perks will influence your behaviour.

          [–]solraun 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

          How on earth are so many people in this thread debating this point? It is extremely obvious! Strange...

          [–]Werner__Herzog 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's even against the guidelines for moderators on reddit.

          [–]milligna 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Your PR emails were super greasy and you came out of this with egg on your face. Talking about perks and having mod privileges? On reddit? You'll get fuckin' crucified. My advice is to learn from this mistake and don't let it happen again.

          [–]Kuratagi 11ポイント12ポイント  (17子コメント)

          It's not your fault, all this drama. You are doing your work, bribing or not. /u/500500 and /u/RIFT_VR has taken it too much unprofessionally, personally. Rift being too much greedy or ambitious and 500500 being a real dictator.

          Both should talk and guide this to a good ending. All admins reapproved and you being flagged as HTC official, but not mod.

          [–]989490 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't see how you come to this conclusion. This drama was caused by HTC's willingness to bribe moderators with free stuff in order to market to folks.

          I'm sure you know about the issues caused by pebble where there was active censoring by moderators who were company employees. I doubt HTC is above this.

          [–]JPHTC 7ポイント8ポイント  (15子コメント)

          That would be the ideal solution. We just wanted to have a person on the team here if anyone had any direct questions that we could answer.

          [–]YeshilPasha[🍰] 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

          You do not need a position in the mod team to answer questions. A flair can be given if necessary. FYI.

          [–]bassplayer02 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          i agree

          [–]kodemage 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          be that as it may it's true, you do not need a position of the mod team just to answer questions. Here, ask a question and I'll answer it. I'm not a mod on this sub.

          [–]serpicowasright 12ポイント13ポイント  (8子コメント)

          There is no question that you could not answer, not having mod powers would not have dampened that ability. The only reason someone would want or need mod powers is to delete or ban comments.

          [–]JPHTC 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

          The purpose of being a mod was to be easy to find on the sidebar for direct questions. By having HTC as part of my name I was trying to be as transparent as possible. Since being made a mod, no changes of any kind were made and you can confirm that with 500500 himself. The reason we offered a new banner was because the old banner had the now extinct Re Vive logo and we offered a fun alternative featuring the reddit mascot. Had I known that flair would have been a more appropriate action, we would have asked for that instead and would have happily accepted if offered that alternative. Our apologies for the confusion this has caused.

          [–]ryan_the_leach 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

          They can add you to the sidebar anyway without being a mod.

          [–]JPHTC 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

          We now understand that and would happily accept that if the reddit community wants us to have a presence here.

          [–]ryan_the_leach 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Sorry I only read further down the page that someone had replied to you with the exact same thing, wasn't trying to be argumentative.

          [–]JPHTC 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I didn't take it as argumentative. We want to be fully transparent here and allow the community to give us feedback on how to create a better experience in regards to the Vive. Thanks for clarifying though.

          [–]milligna -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Well you haven't been fully transparent. You guys tried to schmooze the mods and undermine the community by getting a mod appointed and offering nebulous "perks." Are you honestly surprised it comes off looking ludicrous and even Palmer Luckey can't resist taking a shot at you?

          You know this racket. It's all about optics... and from over here it looks pretty fucky.

          [–]kodemage 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If you want to advertise on reddit you should buy some ads. That's the best way for a corporation to participate.

          You should remember reddit's 90/10 rule. Only 10% of your interactions on here should be about self promotion. If you're making a work account and only posting here because you're paid to then you're not participating in reddit you're trying to get advertising for free.

          [–]johnnychic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          So you already had changes in mind before seeking mod status? Weird....

          [–]Kuratagi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          BTW, you are doing a good work with the product. I think is the best of the options. You should be proud.
          I'll waiting with excitement for a test room in Spain...

          [–]johnnychic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Don't need to be mod to do that. These people aren't stupid

          [–]kodemage -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You were unaware that you would be creating a huge conflict of interest and breaking reddit's rules?

          I don't buy that. The conflict of interest is obvious and it's unethical for you to try and stack the mod team with your people.

          [–]sondun2001 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Not sure if you understand, the mods aren't necessarily the drivers of content, so they don't need to have any special perks or access to information that the rest of the community doesn't have access to. If you want to do that, invite random members of the community.

          [–]BillClintonsBrother 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Your actions, /u/JPHTC, have really turned me off to the HTC community. It sounds like you are trying to claim ignorance to how Reddit operates. Even if that is true, which I have my doubts about, it makes me question how the rest of HTC operates.

          [–]jlink5 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          So I'm not going to comment on the HTC mod thing... There are plenty of others doing that.

          However in response to if and how we would like HTC to participate and contribute to this sub, as a Vive dev I do have some thoughts:

          • Use this sub mainly for discussion of Vive topics. That might be obvious, but what I don't think you guys should use it for is promotion, early reveals, or that sort of thing. Reddit is best for group discussions so I would love to see HTC engage the community on things like what kind of apps you see working really well, getting feedback on peripheral ideas, talking about how the hell people are going to set this up in their homes, or talking about prices for apps given a relatively small user base.

          • Fill us in on all your corporate research and give us a view into your direction so we can leverage all the effort and resources you're pouring in. Give us an opportunity to share with you what we are seeing at the ground level so to speak.

          • Share innovative content you're seeing developed

          • Access to or AMA's with technical experts would be great

          • Share opportunities to demo the Vive, or post calls for devs to submit their demos

          These are the main ones off I can think of, but in general HTC should be giving a line out for info and opportunities that devs or the general public don't have access to because of lack of resources or positioning. Conversely, HTC should provide a line in from devs and the general public to give direction and help shape the platform since we are passionate, invested, exposed, and because there are many more of us than there are of you.

          [–]sculptedpixels -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Please ignore this . Devs are enjoying the hardware and SDK enormously, crap like this barely registers and should not distract you from the mission of making and spreading the vive. This drama is not worth your time.

          [–]rexlibris -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hey buddy, fuck you.

          In the past I have pimped the hell out of your products for YEARS, I used to sell them via Verizon and honestly at the time they were the best damn android phone out there. I haven't worked there in ages but still sing the praises of HTC.

          Never, fucking, again.

          "calling it our official subreddit"

          "moderation team perks"

          NO, NO, NO. WRONG, SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP. There is so much wrong with that statement.

          You don't understand how reddit works do you? I really REALLY hope the knuckleheads in your PR department (and this includes you) who thought this was a good idea get fired.

          [–]linknewtab 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          We’d like to work with our partners to plan future AMA’s and other reddit community initiatives.

          Will they really be able to answer questions and provide new information? So far every HTC representative on reddit was only allowed to repeat already known knowledge.

          [–]Fsmv -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I for one think that sounds great. If you can't get r/vive's mods to play along please consider another subreddit name and people will go to you guys instead.

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            [–]Sexy_Offender 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            How do people, the HTC team and the mods, not know that you can't have a corporate presence on a mod team and still be perceived as legit? This seems so basic, so elementary....it's just hard to imagine that HTC approached the mods and they accepted.

            [–]dethlyhallow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            TIL r/HTC mods were as corruptable and careless as r/howtogainbenefitswhilevolunteeringforanethicalpositionatamassiveonlinesocialnetworkingsitethatbestfuctionswithoutselloutbitches

            Oh, and the removal of moderator powers is being met with the response similar to a big boned child dropping it's ice cream cone.

            I hope the next group of mods uphold their own ethical values (you'd think, atleast personal values would have prevented this as well, but whatever, pathetic) and a fair understanding of reddit rules and TERMS OF USE!!!

            [–]You_Are_All_Smart 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Great stuff. I'm with you 100%.

            [–]vizionvr 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Okay, shit's broken. Can we talk about fixing it? Is the mod willing to associate a tag to an HTC rep's name? The rep seems willing to accept that offer in exchange to make this an official channel for news and answers.

            [–]2EyeGuy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Want goombas on your Vive?

            Dolphin VR now theoretically has Vive support. Can people help me test it?

            https://forums.oculus.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11241&start=1240#p295993

            [–]thewolf20[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Is this possible? Vive doesnt support async timewarp.

            [–]Prince_ofRavens 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Way to go 500500, make sure everyone at HTC knows whose got the biggest dick.

            [–]Kuratagi 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

            It seems that is a kind of coup d'état in htc vive. Some admins admitted a HTC employee as a part of the admin team (I can't see any information about that so it pretended to be hidden).

            HTC then took this sub as his "official" sub: https://twitter.com/htcvive/status/643115158210920448

            Main admin removed them as admins and now they are trying to make another sub saying this one is not valid anymore:

            https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3lb6l8/avoid_rvive/

            Frankly I don't like this move.

            [–]TweetsInCommentsBot 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

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            [–]TheFlyingBastard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Small correction since you got a few things backwards.

            • HTC approached us with the offer of helping us out growing the subreddit. We enthusiastically accepted some stuff they had made for us (a top banner) and they promised certain perks if we would continue to work together (we took this as perks for the subreddit as that had been the subject of conversation).

            • HTC then took the sub as their "official" sub and suggested to have a HTC liaison on the team.

            • We had been waiting a few days for the main mod to return, but since he had disappeared in the middle of such an opportunity, someone took initiative: Apparently "for ease of communications" the HTC guy was added as a moderator. (In hindsight, that was the part that should not have happened in my opinion.)

            • Top mod came back, got pissed off, and now thinks we were all getting bribed or something.

            [–]gravedagger 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Ummm is it too late to ask? ELI5: what is a Vive?

            [–]thewolf20[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

            A better Oculus Rift. grabs popcorn

            [–]gravedagger 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Oooooohhhhhh, do you have some to share? I'll watch with you!!

            [–]thewolf20[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Is salty popcorn ok?

            [–]gravedagger 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I prefer cheese but sure why not. Saltyness is the theme here currently

            [–]thewolf20[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Here, have some popcorn with tears flavour. :D

            [–]Burntwing 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Meddling. You meant meddling. Wtf, Reddit, is grammar no longer important?

            [–]crazyminner -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Is there any way to get a new admin?

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