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September 17, 2015, 11:36:57 PM
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I never quite understood this. Several posts with DOXing stay up and are never removed. Isn't it hard for mods to see when a user is trying to damage someone's reputation with baseless accusations and when it's actually information to built up a scam accusation case? But even if it's the later, why should a forum indexed by search engines and well ranked in terms of SEO allow that? Is bitcointalk.org encouraging mob justice? Is the forum Satoshi created for discussion about bitcoin to take place in endorsing taking conflicts about an e-currency into real life, perhaps even with violence and life ruining tactics (that could even target the false person)? I'm sure you realize allowing such a thing can be abused by people with very, very bad intentions.

This forum should have a zero tolerance policy against this. Besides, it's even against google's policy to allow such a thing. 8chan was briefly de-listed from google for not following it. If Theymos cares about ad revenue and the future of this forum he should really consider this.

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September 17, 2015, 11:53:13 PM
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To my understanding the forum allows stuff like that to be posted because they believe in free speech, and releasing a user's public info falls under that, as long as the information was legally obtained and is/was publicly accessible.

But in lots of the doxxing cases I'm not so sure that all the information was obtained in legal ways, however I don't think those posts are ever removed either.
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September 17, 2015, 11:54:10 PM
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Because these forums don't care about doxxing, unless it's posting Theymos' dox.
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Today at 07:06:10 AM
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Absolutely no idea. If i was admin, I would be banning anyone who tried to Dox anyone and all scammers I can get my hands on. Grin

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Today at 08:05:02 AM
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A dox is just an aggregation of publicly available information and as such not a violation of any rights. Theymos said in the past that he is strongly against e.g. the release of social security numbers and will go against that.

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Today at 08:21:35 AM
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A dox is just an aggregation of publicly available information and as such not a violation of any rights. Theymos said in the past that he is strongly against e.g. the release of social security numbers and will go against that.


Except most of the doxes here include non public information

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Today at 08:32:26 AM
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8chan was briefly de-listed from google for not following it.

It doesn't say that in the article. Clearly it says:

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I simply cannot understand why we were singled out with such an obscure message Google rarely uses. It absolutely baffles me.

The actual answer is that they were removed for hosting CP:
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3gs638/censorship_8chan_removed_from_google_search/

I don't know of any website that was delisted from Google for simply hosting dox.

Besides, it's even against google's policy to allow such a thing

It doesn't say that either. What you should have linked is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten

Google will remove pages that contain certain personal info like SSN's. They will not take down a dox that is just a persons name, phone number, dob and address. Trust me many people have tried.

Personally I think doxing is a last resort, and that the threat of doxing someone is usually worse than the actual act. Typically if you let the person know that you have their dox that will stop the problem right there and you won't need to post the dox unless the problem continues. I don't think it should be outright "banned", but I certainly do not like that people are doxxing others over small personal matters. Thats totally not cool and not even effective at all. You should try to resolve the situation in other ways before resorting to doxxing.
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Today at 01:23:14 PM
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Ok to address Blazr's points,

8chan was de-listed, without receiving a notification from google as to why. Saying that the same could happen might be a stretch but I wouldn't consider it impossible.

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Sure, but the FAQ I linked to actually mentions that google delists websites for alleged defamation, hate speech, impersonation as well. All of those could be part of doxing, the fact that it's user submitted content doesn't change much from their perspective.

The right to be forgotten is a completely different procedure, supported by the EU. Where google removes search results from showing up per request if and only if the party making the request can submit the necessary evidence, which is not an anonymous precedure.

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Today at 03:52:41 PM
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Isn't Google more flexible with forums/social media and other sites based on user generated content? The most that will happen is that they'll stop linking to the particular thread where the defamation, hate speech, or impersonation is happening.

I think the risk of being permanently de-listed from Google is very low. It's not a factor that should influence any decision or change in forum policy here.
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Today at 04:00:03 PM
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The right to be forgotten is a completely different procedure, supported by the EU. Where google removes search results from showing up per request if and only if the party making the request can submit the necessary evidence, which is not an anonymous precedure.

It also has nothing to do with the topic at hand, because the judgments until now are only against google as a search engine, not e.g. against the newspaper with the actual information.

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Today at 04:13:41 PM
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I don't know why it's allowed to release someone's personal information on the forum (though Badbear and Theymos have criticized this). Even members threaten other members out here like personal threats to their life and that's as well considered 'freedom of speech'. If this way someone is harmed in their personal life, it won't be a good thing for this forum. Doxing should be banned IMO.

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Today at 04:29:18 PM
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It shouldn't be allowed.

If a silly forum argument has someone so fired up that they feel the need to doxx the other, then that's a good sign to take a break and go do something else.

Even if there is a "legal" reason (e.g. theft) to find someone's identity, and you are that good of a detective, then call the police and give them your discoveries. Bringing it onto the forum is just immature and petty (and can cause damage if you accidently doxx the wrong person).

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Today at 04:33:42 PM
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Isn't Google more flexible with forums/social media and other sites based on user generated content? The most that will happen is that they'll stop linking to the particular thread where the defamation, hate speech, or impersonation is happening.

I think the risk of being permanently de-listed from Google is very low. It's not a factor that should influence any decision or change in forum policy here.

Thanks for your input Cobra. We don't get a chance to hear from you that often so I believe that your presence highlights the importance of the issue.

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Today at 05:13:28 PM
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If you dox is from the correct people and obtained from legal sources then there are arguments in favor.


But if you can't prove that the dox info is the person behind the account, then things are problematic. If you accuse him from crimes in public and can't prove he really did them, then the one committing a crime is you, spceially if you contact the people from his work accusing him

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