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Islamic extremist shot dead in Berlin after stabbing police officer (independent.co.uk)

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[–]redsfan17 312ポイント313ポイント  (67子コメント)

God help Germany now after letting in piles of these people. There will be lots of refugees who will contribute to the economy and society for the better but you know damn well there will be many bad apples amongst them. They get into our free and democratic countries because we are civil and let them but then they want to turn the country into a shit hole like their own.

I cannot wait for the day when religious fundamentalism is considered a mental illness. It's scary the foothold these people are getting.

[–]dizekat 49ポイント50ポイント  (5子コメント)

He's not part of recent refugees, he been there for years, been in prison, been monitored, was successfully prevented from obtaining anything but a knife. He's part of this constant tiny trickle of "they'll be killed in their home country for a reason, we disagree with killing anyone" refugees, not a part of "normal people run away from war" refugees that they're getting now.

[–]EHStormcrow [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe we can swap out the Syrians that seem pretty decent for our shitty Muslim un-assimilated minorities, send those guys to Syria instead.

[–]Husibrap [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I think you might have skipped over the point. He was just illustrating that with the huge influx of immigrants into Germany, there are certain to be those who exploit their welcomed stay and fuck shit up.

[–]dizekat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, if not for 9/11 I don't think anyone would be that much afraid of them being able to actually fuck shit up, and definitely not on the basis of some knife wielding idiot who got shot.

[–]BeastAP23 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hes brown dude that means he fits in with the other brown group we are afraid of

[–]crimeanchocolate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"He's not part of recent refugees, he been there for years"

8 years ago he was a recent "refugee". How you think the recent ones will be doing 8 years from now?

[–]FalloutPlease [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The man was not a refugee. He had been in Germany for years because he served a jail sentence there for plotting to kill the Iraqi prime minister.

[–]AntiChr1st 26ポイント27ポイント  (28子コメント)

Don't worry, Sweden is being the canary in the mine, the problem will be solved.

[–]Junoh315 [スコア非表示]  (25子コメント)

Sweden is an example of the canary dying but the people thinking that it's still fine to keep going forward.

[–]AntiChr1st [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Canary ain't dead yet, don't worry, when he kicks the bucket it will be VERY noticable and the example set will move the rest of Europe to action

[–]humeanation [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

I'm a bit /r/OutoftheLoop here, what's this about Sweden?

[–]Pug_grama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think France will go down first. They are almost 10% Muslim and recently had soldiers in their streets trying to keep order. It is just a matter of time before civil war. Just like Yugoslavia. Any country with a substantial Muslim minority ends in civil war.

[–]Georgeorwellwaswrong [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

As a Dane who visited Malmø this weekend i can tell you the Canary is definetly dead, i properbly saw 10 Swedish people at the most, the rest was imigrants from the Middle East, none of them spoke Swedish by the way,

[–]splergel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As a Dane who visited Malmø this weekend i can tell you the Canary is definetly dead, i properbly saw 10 Swedish people at the most, the rest was imigrants from the Middle East, none of them spoke Swedish by the way,

It's currently rather extreme around the central station due to the recent influx, many of whom are trying to get to Stockholm (don't ask me why; they'll really regret that choice in three months). Most of the immigrants you find in the rest of the city have been here for 20+ years and speak fluent Swedish.

[–]miserybollocks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah but the worst thing is that only far right governments want to do anything about it and they're just as bad as radical religious people.

I don't want to solve this problem by voting in a bunch of racist thugs.

The left have to adopt criticism of Islam as fair game, they always promote themselves as egalitarian and defenders of LGBT rights so I don't know why they seem to be so adverse to it.

[–]Junoh315 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Looks dead to me. Maybe it's still twitching but I don't see it breathing anymore.

[–]newaccount [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You've never actually been to Sweden in your life, have you?

You have exactly no idea about what it is like to live here, do you?

[–]TiticusRex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I too judge Sweden based off 4chan posts and reddit comments.

[–]splergel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Looks dead to me.

The only way you could possibly come to that conclusion is if you've never been to Sweden, or if you just passed by a Swedish train station and saw a lot of immigrants and concluded that things must be bad (without considering the fact that the station and the trains were still running just fine).

[–]megafartcloud [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I have never been to Sweden but I am pretty sure the claims about it going to the dumps are exaggerated. In the US people have been saying that for years and it isn't true.

[–]FreeAsInFreedoooooom [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It is in the urban areas. Stockholm is now the rape capital of Europe.

[–]ShouldersofGiants100 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Stockholm is now the rape capital of Europe.

Do people still believe this shit?

  1. Sweden counts crimes at reporting, so many that are frivolous or badly classified are counted as rapes

  2. They count each rape as a separate crime. A single domestic abuse victim in Sweden who is raped daily would count as 365 offences in a year. That same victim would count as only 1 case anywhere else in Europe. Hence one of those victims in Sweden is equivalent to THREE HUNDRED victims anywhere else.

  3. Those offences can pile up for years. A twenty year abusive marriage caught today would have all those charges counted toward this year

  4. Sweden has a definition of rape that includes many cases of what would be sexual assault in any other country. Hence this pads their numbers to show higher rapes

  5. Sweden is extremely competent at handling the issue and the victims, leading to a higher report rate

In other words... you either lying or gravely misled.

[–]splergel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sweden has a definition of rape that includes many cases of what would be sexual assault in any other country. Hence this pads their numbers to show higher rapes

This is the main one. The Swedish legal concept of våldtäkt is much broader than the English legal concept of rape. Trying to directly translate one to the other is going to result in misunderstandings and garbage statistics.

It's like trying to compare the number of cars in Britain to the number of wheeled vehicles in Sweden and concluding that Swedes own far more cars, when the reality is simply that you also included all Swedish bicycles, strollers and shopping carts in the statistics.

[–]splergel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have never been to Sweden but I am pretty sure the claims about it going to the dumps are exaggerated. In the US people have been saying that for years and it isn't true.

It's the same in Sweden. The immigration does affect some things pretty significantly, like the availability of rental apartments in certain cities, but claims are usually extremely exaggerated and most of the horror stories and "facts" floating around are simply bullshit.

Statistics about numbers of immigrants also tend to be misleading if you're not familiar with Swedish history. A lot of people classified as "immigrants" are second generation Finnish immigrants from WW2. They've never lived anywhere other than Sweden, they look about as Swedish as is possible, and their relatives going a dozen generations back have never had a native language other than Swedish... but according to statistics they're still immigrants. You've also got tens of thousand Danes living in Malmö.

[–]Artyomic [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What exactly is Sweden going through with their refugees at the moment?

[–]AntiChr1st [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sweden has taken in far too many people over too short of a time, the country is very slowly breaking down. Social unrest and crime is rising, employment is going down (immigrants have a significantly lower employment rate), all in all things are going to shit and the country is about a decade or two from becoming a failed state.

[–]Vadrigar 35ポイント36ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah Mama Merkel really fucked Germany and the whole EU with her mindless speeches. And this is only the beginning.

[–]bocythrowaway [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's funny because in my required sociology class at university in the US, our professor constantly called Merkel a racist and a bigot for the speech she made about wanting integration and maintaining a German culture instead of segmented multiculturalism.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, apparently.

[–]CallMeDoc24 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yea. We definitely should help, all the while minimizing risks on our own soil. Definitely a tough decision.

[–]fillingtheblank [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Except she didn't.

[–]XxsquirrelxX -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everything I've heard about foreign leaders is shitty. Tony Abbot, David Cameron, and Angela Merkel must be (or in Abbot's case, was) shitty leaders.

[–]shneebs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

At least Cameron is only letting in 20,000 in the next 5 years.

[–]Nev2k [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Clearly the people who run from IS are fundamentalist terrorists...

[–]windirein 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

So I don't want to be that guy, but even the "good" refugees will not contribute to the economy or society of germany. They will be stuck in camps for years until a solution has been found which likely involves them getting send back. It is very unlikely that even the most talented of refugees will ever have a job in germany or learn german and start living alongside the german people just like one of them. They'll be living alongside their own kind and get state money and that is pretty much the best case scenario.

[–]aiusdhnfasijobfhdaid [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

They will be stuck in camps for years until a solution has been found

Nah. You either get refugee/asylum status or not. There won't be a "solution". They will be able to stay in Germany and be part of the society relatively quickly (not quickly enough but it won't take too long). They most likely won't stay in "camps" more than a year.

[–]windirein [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't think so. We are talking about more than tens of thousands of refugees. Unlike what they think, germans aren't magicians. We can't create houses out of thin air that the refugees can live in. They are living in god damn sports halls not too far from where I live and it stops the kids from using it to do sports. They are also paying house-owners 50 bucks per refugee that you let stay over night. We wouldn't be doing this if we had ways of letting them stay.

The problem is that so far the german leadership has been to incompetent to create a ruling when it comes to who gets refuge and who doesn't. There is no way that we have the capacity to hold the economical refugees. But good luck figuring something out to "get rid" of them that doesn't make us inhuman monsters to the media.

[–]aiusdhnfasijobfhdaid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They are living in god damn sports halls not too far from where I live and it stops the kids from using it to do sports. They are also paying house-owners 50 bucks per refugee that you let stay over night. We wouldn't be doing this if we had ways of letting them stay.

This is part of the acceptance process. Those buildings (as well as the 50 bucks/night rate) are for people with unclear status who have applied for asylum but haven't been accepted or denied yet. As soon as someone gets asylum status, he won't be allowed to live in those houses and move somewhere else.

There are also enough buildings where those asylum seekers could live. But many cities don't want to accept them in there because they are afraid of Nazi protests like in Heidenau or Freital.

A huge problem is, that there are not enough officials/administrators in charge of accepting asylum seekers (or send them back from where they came).

Germany already "gets rid" of what you call "economical refugees". But it just takes really long because there is nobody looking at their case. So they stay in the gym for way too long before they get send back and the kids can't play football in there. It's a shame.

[–]randomaccount1451435 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They will never be sent back. As a comparison, there's lots of tension around mexicans in the USA, but there haven't been any major deportation efforts since the 1950's.

[–]ccfcc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

. It is very unlikely that even the most talented of refugees will ever have a job in germany

That's objectively wrong. I personally know three Syrian doctors who are working in the German healthcare system and who are a great asset to the country. While that's obviously not the standard, it does show how possible it is. Syria used to be a modern place and many refugees are educated people.

[–]CHNLLOS_BIG_BOY [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're not being that guy. This was the plan all along. They are refugees, not immigrants. They will be sent back once the shit has settled.

[–]fillingtheblank [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This information is wrong. The vast majority is going through compulsory language & labor skill training as soon as they settle. Check the AMA with the Syrian refugee.

[–]Trivedi_on [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's fucking stupid. How are the "bad apples" of 1 million refugees gonna turn my country with 81 million inhabitants into a "shit hole like their own"? Please tell me. What is scary are people like you that do nothing but spread hatred.

[–]Subbutton 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, they get told right at the beginning if they even hit someone or get into a fight they can go right back.

[–]canyoutriforce [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Would you say that the pope is mentally ill?

[–]Captain_Excellent [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I realize the Pope is supposed to represent the will of the Catholic Church but can he even be considered a religious fundamentalist? AFAIK this current Pope seems very willing to let people abide by the laws of man, rather than claiming that religion is the ultimate directive.

When people say things like "religious fundamentalism should be considered a mental illness" they mean the people who aggressively push their morals onto others. Religious fundamentalism becomes unacceptable when you expect all of society to follow the rules of one religion, without any room for tolerance or argument. IMO expecting the world to bend to your own whims because of something written in a 1,000-year old book is pretty messed up, and in certain cases could be indicative of mental illness.

[–]Ghost4000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This guy's been in Germany for a while. He was sentenced to 8 years in prison in the past but was let out early.

[–]staring_at_the_wall [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I cannot wait for the day when religious fundamentalism is considered a mental illness.

I do believe that it should be considered at least a symptom of a mental imbalance, and be treated as such.

However, I think this should be a principle applied with care.

The way people seem to be fear driven these days, it's not inconceivable to see the day when society will go overboard with this theory and start labelling every person who believes in something for which there's no scientific proof as in need of mental treatment.

Then further down the line otters will start speaking, and only Cartman will be able to save us from the Allied Atheist Allegiance (that way it has three A's).

Edit: shouldn't have emphasised the western world.

[–]YetiOfTheSea [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

religious fundamentalism is considered a mental illness

Unfortunately a great deal of the voting population has this mental illness, at least in America. I've heard Europe is much better about it. But that also leads me to think Muslims will see this shift in perception as a direct attack on their beliefs and their persecution complex will get even worse.

While I believe in freedom of religion, because nearly all religions are pro-peace, I think it is too easy to bend a someone who is already religious. If you look at the foundation of all the Abrahamic religions it is "Be a good person." If religious people could just follow the fucking golden rule we'd be all right. But they like to dredge up ancient shit, that has been nullified by their own prophets, to fit their own hateful narratives.

[–]eliteKMA [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

you know damn well there will be many bad apples amongst them.

I don't. Being brown, muslims and a refugee doesn't make you a terrorist.

[–]Solar_Cycle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Best part is now they're bringing their own hatreds into Germany. Running battles between Turks and Kurds in Hannover.

How long until whole sections of Hannover are essentially off-limits to Germans?

I cannot wait for the day when religious fundamentalism is considered a mental illness.

It is a mental illness. So what? It's not like people dying for an imaginary man in the sky are going to stop.

[–]trakam [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If religious fundamentalism is considered a mental illness like you want then would you rather send guys like this fella to hospital than prison?

[–]Captain_Excellent [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes. Treating religious fundamentalists as mentally unstable, rather than criminals, is the better solution. The problem is that fundamentalists don't even feel like they are committing crimes. They feel what they are doing is in line with God's will, and therefore above reproach. Calling them a criminal and throwing them in prison doesn't solve the problem, it just fosters further resentment against society.

Not saying it's the perfect solution but I think maybe therapy could help such people cope with living in a society that doesn't adhere to their religious standards, and possibly help to prevent extremist behavior. All we need to do is communicate to fundamentalists that whatever their beliefs, it doesn't give them a right to harm others.

[–]BreezyD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is there any precedence of middle eastern refugees contribution to the economy of any country that they flood into? It kind of seems like they just live in government housing and collect welfare.

[–]DragonTamerMCT [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This has been a big topic for discussion in Germany for a long time now.

Most citizens don't want this. But they get labeled as far right racists then.

Immigrants need to assimilate, but Germany just lets them do whatever they want. It's a horrible idea... But no one wants to address it for fear of being called racists and such.