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Islamic extremist shot dead in Berlin after stabbing police officer (independent.co.uk)
darkness_descends が 6時間前 投稿
[–]bippity12 800ポイント801ポイント802ポイント 1時間前 (98子コメント)
The stabbed officer was taken to hospital for emergency surgery for her stab wound. She was also shot in the kidney by a stray bullet
Tough fucking day
[–]Type-21 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (60子コメント)
Police didn't miss a single shot. But one passed through the attacker and hit her :/
[–]GuapoWithAGun [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (45子コメント)
I'm surprised the officer fired knowing she was behind him.
[–]Pato_Lucas [スコア非表示] 49分前 (0子コメント)
Probably he thought that it was better risking shooting her than the certainty of keep being stabbed.
[–]FrySkyHigh [スコア非表示] 53分前 (38子コメント)
I know US police will commonly use hollow-point bullets that won't exit out the back of a person they enter, not sure what the procedure is in Berlin.
[–]sulami [スコア非表示] 47分前 (14子コメント)
Afaik they do use hollowpoints with plastic tips. But depending on where and how you hit, even hollowpoints can just go through the target.
[–]splergel [スコア非表示] 32分前 (12子コメント)
Standard practice in most of Europe too, I believe. If I recall correctly the ammo is somewhat ironically banned for military use by the Geneva convention, but the military doesn't want it anyway while it's perfect for police use (which isn't covered by the convention).
[–]FighterPoetThinker [スコア非表示] 21分前 (5子コメント)
SOCOM and The USMC are adopting hollow points because FMJ 9mm rounds are fucking useless
Source
[–]pkkisthebomb [スコア非表示] 17分前 (2子コメント)
This link says 70% effective w/ 1 shot. A mag typically holds 20 rounds, of which about 5 will enter a person.
Handgun use is more about time than accuracy. Typically it'll either be shoot and hit, or not shoot, since it'll only be used at ranges of a few m
"The U.S. never signed the Hague Convention and was never bound by it."
This is bullshit btw. The US decided countries are bound by the Hague regardless if they're signators. They decided this at Nuremburg.
[–]BeartrapSandwich [スコア非表示] 52分前 (0子コメント)
That's rule#4 right there.
[–]DavenF12 127ポイント128ポイント129ポイント 1時間前 (23子コメント)
Fucking badass day, i bet she eats glass in the morning, without milk.
[–]snapper1971 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (14子コメント)
Probably wipes her arse with a stinging nettle.
[–]ManicLord [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (5子コメント)
Without milk
[–]Zeigzalar [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
I don't know what I'd do if I went to wipe my ass and was all outta milk
[–]aDAMNPATRIOT [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
I think you mean one ply
[–]LordGibzilla [スコア非表示] 41分前 (1子コメント)
Come on now, she may have taken a bullet, but she's still human
[–]p0tatoman 776ポイント777ポイント778ポイント 4時間前 (80子コメント)
Dude looks as stereotypical as you can get.
[–]_Larry_Love_ 76ポイント77ポイント78ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
this guy
[–]Big_Black_Microphone [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (3子コメント)
sesame street has changed man...
[–]candycanewalls 320ポイント321ポイント322ポイント 4時間前 (15子コメント)
I was gonna say, he looks like he came right out of the Charlie Hebdo pages.
[–]capnjack78 141ポイント142ポイント143ポイント 2時間前 (7子コメント)
Life imitates art.
[–]Derkek [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (5子コメント)
Wait a minute..
[–]HarrisSinclair [スコア非表示] 54分前 (4子コメント)
draws a bigger dick^
[–]phoxymoron 100ポイント101ポイント102ポイント 4時間前 (15子コメント)
Looks like several of the edgelords I went to high school with.
[–]ZQEE1 85ポイント86ポイント87ポイント 1時間前 (11子コメント)
edgelords
I love the English language, churning out vocab like this
[–]fwipyok 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 1時間前 (8子コメント)
It works that way in other languages too. I would dare say 'most', because I only know 3 languages and in all 3 this works, but I don't want to risk it.
[–]Mikeahya [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (6子コメント)
It's the same in native Marklaar : often, if there's a marklaar, there'll be a corresponding marklaar in another marklaar.
[–]Rs90 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Cheetolord is by far my favorite so far.
[–]Anivair [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Sort of, but if the headline read "Your Hipster Friend thinks Mumford and Sons is way more Fun on Heroin" he would also look exactly like I expected.
[–]TheLurkerSpeaks 43ポイント44ポイント45ポイント 3時間前 (10子コメント)
Dude looks like George Harrison
[–]yumyumgivemesome [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Needs more middlebrow.
[–]dastweinerhund 128ポイント129ポイント130ポイント 2時間前 (23子コメント)
After being convicted for his assassination plot, he was sentenced to eight years in prison. He was released early and allowed to stay in Germany, but had to wear an electronic tag. (There's your sign.)
[–]stpoopybutthole 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 1時間前 (6子コメント)
Should wear a giant flashing sign.
[–]ChairmanW [スコア非表示] 46分前 (6子コメント)
8 years seem light for being convicted for plotting assassination, not to mention being released early.
[–]TrialsAndTribbles [スコア非表示] 30分前 (0子コメント)
Clearly rehabilitated. GG Germany.
[–]Pro_Quote_Maker 404ポイント405ポイント406ポイント 4時間前 (240子コメント)
For hours after the incident, it was reported as the actions of a mentally ill man, but after Rafik's previous convictions were revealed, it became clear it was an act of terror.
[–]wine-o-saur 430ポイント431ポイント432ポイント 2時間前 (40子コメント)
These are not mutually exclusive...
[–]the_str [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (21子コメント)
"God wants me to stab a complete stranger in the neck." Clean bill of terrorism!
[–]Asparachucks [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (20子コメント)
Well, the Quran commands war against infidels. It's not unimaginable that some people read it for what it says.
[–]DionysosX [スコア非表示] 59分前 (6子コメント)
It's an error to assume that every terrorist must be mentally ill, though. It's clear that the relatively high number of extremists in some demographics can't just be caused by genetics. It has been shown again and again that psychologically healthy people, if put into the right circumstances and given the right information, can turn into sadistic monsters.
Assuming that it's only mental illness would completely shut down the discussion about the dangers of cultish mindsets that are introduced via sociological pathways. Actively resolving the problem is impossible if we were blind to this.
[–]inhuman4 [スコア非表示] 57分前 (4子コメント)
Holy shit just like Canada!
When our Parliament was attacked the media jumped to the 'mental illness' conclusion, it couldn't possibly be terrorism, not here in Canada.
Then it came out that he was Muslim: Still 'mental illness'.
Then it came out that he made a video explaining that his motivations were political and he was inspired by events in the middle east to attack Canada: Still 'mental illness'.
Then is came out that moderate Muslims had kicked him out of their mosque for being sketchy: Still 'mental illness'.
Then it came out that 4-5 years earlier he was busted for robbery and had a court mandated psyche eval that concluded he was not mentally ill: Still 'mental illness'.
To this very day a large chunk of the media refuses to accept that this was a terrorist attack or that improved security is needed. No, no, it's a mental health issue, we need more funding for social programs. What a joke.
[–]enezukal [スコア非表示] 20分前 (1子コメント)
I'm not Canadian but from reddit I got the impression that it was exactly the opposite. Everybody fearmongering about terrorists so that they could pass their version of the Patriot Act.
I would expect a terrorist attack to have some effort put into it beyond shooting or stabbing one person on the street. In Canada one person was killed, in Germany one was wounded. If that's the best they can come up with, we have nothing to worry about.
[–]Pyriew 56ポイント57ポイント58ポイント 3時間前 (185子コメント)
What the fuck, German media?
[–]Hubinator 73ポイント74ポイント75ポイント 2時間前 (52子コメント)
Well he probably was mentally ill too.
[–]Tintin113 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Yeah, what the fuck? Making a reasonable assumption and then correcting that with more accurate information later instead of jumping to the conclusion that he was a terrorist simply because he wasn't white?
If this guy was white and they'd jumped to the idea that he was a terrorist, I imagine you'd also be saying 'what the fuck?'
[–]THIS-IS-FISH 1341ポイント1342ポイント1343ポイント 5時間前 (805子コメント)
The 41-year-old Iraqi citizen....was one of three who were convicted for plotting to assassinate the former Prime Minister of Iraq, Iyad Allawi, during his visit to Berlin in 2004.
Wait, If he wasn't a German citizen and was a convicted terrorist then why the hell was he still allowed in the country, or not in prison for that matter? Is it common in Germany to let guys like this just wander about?
[–]Vorsplummi 220ポイント221ポイント222ポイント 2時間前 (84子コメント)
Did you read it trough? He did eight years in prison.
[–]spinh3ad 118ポイント119ポイント120ポイント 1時間前 (43子コメント)
Sentenced to eight. Released early with an ankle bracelet.
[–]Schmohawker [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (32子コメント)
8? I'm an American and am as outspoken as you can be against excessively long prison sentences (as my country is the worst offender), but 8 years for attempting to assassinate a world leader seems ridiculous. The reason I want non violent criminals, drug addicts, etc to see much reduced sentences is to free up prison space so guys like that can rot in jail for the rest of their lives. 8 years? Holy shit, that weak sentence almost cost somebody their life.
[–]Paleio [スコア非表示] 39分前 (8子コメント)
but 8 years for attempting to assassinate a world leader seems ridiculous
In Germany you're sentenced because of attempted murder. It doesn't matter who you attempted to murder.
I think 8 years is a long time. But it was a very serious crime indeed, so that harsh sentence was justified. Also, releasing him early fits well into the German juristical system, which has the overarching goal to rehabilitate criminals, not to destroy them (yes, this does obviously not always work out).
[–]liptonreddit [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
But 8 years was just the time to fill the paper work to get to stay in Germany !
[–]Sc3p 105ポイント106ポイント107ポイント 1時間前 (13子コメント)
Reading an article and educating yourself about the situation instead of spreading bullshit?
No way, this is /r/worldnews.
[–]bunkerbuster338 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
Except he didn't do 8 years in prison. He did a few years and was released early with an ankle bracelet.
[–]urbanfirestrike 312ポイント313ポイント314ポイント 5時間前 (598子コメント)
Because he would have been killed in his country
[–]THIS-IS-FISH 1543ポイント1544ポイント1545ポイント 5時間前 (568子コメント)
So his refugee status overrides the fact that he was convicted terrorist? That's absolutely bonkers.
[–]bjarkebjarke 829ポイント830ポイント831ポイント 3時間前* (364子コメント)
So his refugee status overrides the fact that he was convicted terrorist?
Yes, in my country(Denmark), there was a story about a Taleban-leader getting protected asylum in our country because he defected from the Taleban and.. was thus, in danger in Afghanistan.
How nice our soldiers who fought with Americans and British in Helmand can go to the local Føtex for shopping and run into the guy who they used to chase, living off their tax money now.. That's fucked up.
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[–]DerelictMuntersnatch 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
That kind of actually makes sense in a kind of Homeland-style way.
Political protection? Nothing new really.
[–]nattetosti 256ポイント257ポイント258ポイント 2時間前 (312子コメント)
Defecting from the Taleban, as in renouncing his old ways, thus putting himself and his family in great danger, does qualify for asylum I believe. Do you not? If this guy was still pro-Taleban I'd get your point.
[–]sirseal 84ポイント85ポイント86ポイント 2時間前 (27子コメント)
"You know, I'm really sorry about murdering those people. I have renounced my ways! No more killing!"
[–]nexesn13 44ポイント45ポイント46ポイント 1時間前 (13子コメント)
That is sorta how jail works, when they eventually release you.
[–]bukkakeberzerker 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
";)"
[–]skinny_b 232ポイント233ポイント234ポイント 2時間前 (193子コメント)
Defecting from the Taleban, as in renouncing his old ways, thus putting himself and his family in great danger, does qualify for asylum I believe. Do you not?
Hell no. He made his bed so he can lie in it. What if I was a drug dealer that killed people and decided I wanted to stop because now I have people coming after me? Should my government say, "oh it's okay, you're reformed. Here, have some free government benefits."
How nice our soldiers who fought with Americans in Helmand can go to the local Føtex for shopping and run into the guy who they used to chase, living off their tax money now.. That's fucked up.
Extremely fucked up.
[–]Athole 272ポイント273ポイント274ポイント 1時間前 (167子コメント)
What if I was a drug dealer that killed people and decided I wanted to stop because now I have people coming after me?
It's called turn states evidence and it happens all the time. That's what the WPA is for.
Yeah, I mean I guess you would much rather have him out there shooting our soldiers still. If we don't incentivize the enemy to give up their fight, we don't win. This dude did, we won. Instead, what you are saying, is you would rather the enemy have 1 more soldier, and you would rather his children grow up in an environment where they will certainly become the next generation of soldiers - or dead... because, you know, it's their fault their father is a dick, so we should punish them.
[–]luciferisgreat 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 1時間前 (12子コメント)
This kind of liberal thinking really bothers me. You would rather give the enemies free money so they can come to your country? These assassins who have no qualm about killing you or blowing you up?
That makes no sense to me.
[–]CourageousKoala [スコア非表示] 27分前 (0子コメント)
This is something governments have done for a long long time. It's nothing new, and it's not something only liberal governments do. Governments often try to recruit high ranking enemy soldiers in order to gain useful information, they often do this by offering them a better life. These high ranking officers are then watched and checked on.
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[–]skinny_b 68ポイント69ポイント70ポイント 1時間前 (109子コメント)
Instead, what you are saying, is you would rather the enemy have 1 more soldier, and you would rather his children grow up in an environment where they will certainly become the next generation of soldiers
You speak as if they completely change their ways once they immigrate. As if they're no longer "soldiers" once they become refugees.
Well here we have a "refugee" stabbing a police officer after walking down the street with a knife screaming about Islam.
I'd rather have him on the battlefield than in my hometown.
[–]ShaftGlutton 63ポイント64ポイント65ポイント 1時間前 (14子コメント)
I would rather he not exist
[–]ChocolateShakespeare 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 1時間前 (7子コメント)
Well, there's a better chance of that happening if he stays on the battlefield.
[–]Zebidee [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
He doesn't anymore.
[–]cathartis 43ポイント44ポイント45ポイント 1時間前 (53子コメント)
You speak as if you are dealing with manufactured products not with real people.
Every person, even Taliban members, is an individual, and should be judged accordingly to their own merits, not according to what some lunatic from a completely different country, whom they have never even met, has done with a knife.
Personally, whilst I would quite readily agree that the Taliban contains a large number of religious nutters, I also suspect that it contains a fair number of simple patriotic folk who simply joined up in order to defend their country from a foreign invader (i.e. us), without having a great deal of knowledge of the wider political situation.
[–]daimposter [スコア非表示] 56分前 (0子コメント)
I don't know why people find this hard to understand. The Taliban is not al Qaeda. They are a government....a government we don't' agree with but a government that think it is still the rightful ruler of Afghanistan. There are certain to be a lot of patriotic people in the Taliban that don't agree with terrorist groups like Al Qaeda
[–]SeeBoar 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
He was invited over and he tried to kill a police officer. So your point of "us" winning by letting them stay with us is proven wrong by this very story.
[–]twelvemongooses 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 1時間前 (6子コメント)
But surely as a governent you want your key enemy leaders to defect? You offer a sweet deal so they'll do so, not out of the goodness of your heart.
[–]crasher555 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 1時間前 (5子コメント)
Where is the accountability? There are consequences for his actions. A rapist cannot stop raping and just expect society to let him wander free.
[–]paper_liger [スコア非表示] 54分前* (1子コメント)
A rapist certainly can, otherwise we wouldn't let anyone out of prison ever. Sometimes people get involved with shitty organizations or make stupid disgusting choices. We can't just execute them. And we shouldn't if we could.
One of my friends in the military was in a gang before he joined. He had to have his gang tattoos removed to join up, but he did it because it was the only way he could make it out of that life, he did it for his daughter. Now he tells me that if he ever goes back and people from that life see him without his tattoos they'll kill him.
I've fought in the middle east, and I know better than most that not everyone we fought was a bad person. Some of them were fighting for what they considered noble reasons, and a lot of them were just young uneducated kids who were led into it by their elders. That didn't matter much to me if they started shooting at me of course, not much time for philosophy in a gunfight, but if someone surrenders, tries to change, you fucking need to capitalize on that.
Just because this guy acted like the proverbial scorpion on the frogs back doesn't mean everyone, or even most would.
So yeah, fuck this guy in particular, but treating your enemy as if it's a monolithic inhuman group of clones is just as ridiculous as the backwards religious stuff the Taliban believed in.
[–]Laxman259 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
No, the EU doesnt allow deportation/extradition if it is for a Capital crime in the country that they would be going to.
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[–]Laboe 164ポイント165ポイント166ポイント 3時間前 (52子コメント)
You think you're tough Germoney? Hahahahaha!
Come to Sweden. We literally give free apartments to ISIS members, in order to "deradicalize" them.
I'm not fucking joking.
[–]Hegel1 74ポイント75ポイント76ポイント 3時間前 (15子コメント)
we do the same. we still want to integrate people that have shown nothing but despise to our way of live. i mean they even picked up weapons to further their insane cause.
but, what is new is our level of propaganda. it reaches sweden levels of absurdity. you wont find a single criminal or islamist in 800.000 people that come to us without ever showing a single paper that would identify them.
say something -> nazi.
they are even discussing taking your drivers license if you make the wrong comment on facebook.
[–]nesnes 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
The fuck Germany, get your shit together
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[–]dukerenegade 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
It seems the pendulum has swung too far, so as not to be associated with the old Germany and needs to swing back into some common sense.
[–]flying87 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
As an American I can't believe I'm the one saying this, but what the hell is wrong with your country? That's so ass backwards!
[–]Wrong-Catchphrase 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 2時間前 (5子コメント)
Join ISIS, move to Sweden once I've had my fill of rape and decapitation, receive free housing and a cushy job for my exploits. What is this Sweden, a fucking retirement plan?
[–]pipechang 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
Can I go in? Not ISIS, just like your country.
[–]Scattered_Disk 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Well, by the time you do get in you might find yourself in ISIS.
[–]ShavenRaven [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
ok, I think that's a bit of a stretch of the whole "we give them free apartments" etc. However, de-radicalizing psychopaths is a very mature and long term way to deal with this issue. What is wrong with rehabilitating psychos? Would you rather have them beheaded? Don't make it sound like sweden is a stupid country giving its country away.
Vi är svenskar och borde bete oss som det. Så sluta med allt hat snack.
[–]mattdent54 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 2時間前 (6子コメント)
It's horribly sad because there is no such thing as de-radicalization; western leftists and politicians just think that it's possible as if it's an opinion that could be changed.
[–]RhetoricWarrior 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 4時間前 (15子コメント)
Are these real or fake examples?
[–]Hegel1 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 4時間前* (13子コメント)
these are real. the now dead islamist tried to kill a minister back in iraq, plotting it from germany.
and yes, the rest is real too.
[–]PVDamme 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
No, he was already in Germany and plotted to kill the minister when he came to visit Germany in 2004. He was then send to jail.
Now he was threatening people on the street and bystanders called the police. When the police arrived and confronted him he attacked a police officer and was subsequently shot after ignoring a warning shot.
[–]PSCLAI 52ポイント53ポイント54ポイント 3時間前 (57子コメント)
Germany doesn't extradite persons accused of capital crimes to countries which refuse to guarantee that no death penalty will be carried out. It's called national sovereignty.
[–]Vik1ng 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
So his refugee status overrides
No. Facing the death penalty does.
[–]Isord 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 3時間前* (3子コメント)
It doesn't say anywhere that this guy was a refugee. It says he was convicted in 2004 (I.E. WAY BEFORE NOW) and was released 8 years later and put on parole, essentially. Where was he prior to 2004? How long has he been in Germany?
[–]DerelictMuntersnatch 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
World news discussion as to why he was "let in":
Refugee status overrode the fact he was a convicted terrorist due to leftwing political sentiment.
He lied or tricked his way into Germany what with being a mischievous Muslim terrorist and all.
Normal version of discussion:
plus 3. It was a mistake and he just slipped through due to lack of resources and attention.
[–]Monkey_Junk [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Seriously. There are over 7 billion people in the world. Some are going to get lucky/unlucky and fall through the cracks.
[–]Vanilla_Princess 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Pretty much. We had a 'refugee' who had a history of war crimes we couldn't send back because he would be killed.
[–]chadderbox 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
He ended up killed in Germany. The only difference is he was able to stab a German police officer before it took place.
[–]CeterumCenseo85 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント 1時間前 (23子コメント)
We don't send away people if it is likely that they will be tortured or killed in their home country.
He also spent 8 years in prison.
[–]yosoymarijuana [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
No he didn't. He was sentenced to 8 years on 2008 but was released early.
[–]elfearsrbig 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 1時間前 (5子コメント)
Clearly those 8 years didn't change his ways. I'm not saying we kill people or let them rot in jail for every offence, but if this guy is willing to kill other people due to personal beliefs, I don't think he deserves our amnesty. Maybe he'll be killed back home, but I don't believe that it's our job to protect him if he's actively a danger to people in the country that's protecting him. I think there comes a point where people exhaust the good graces of their host countries. This is a good example of this ]
[–]ShouldersofGiants100 [スコア非表示] 45分前 (3子コメント)
but if this guy is willing to kill other people due to personal beliefs, I don't think he deserves our amnesty. Maybe he'll be killed back home, but I don't believe that it's our job to protect him if he's actively a danger to people in the country that's protecting him.
Here's the thing. It's hard to tell if people are actively a danger until they do something to make themselves one. There was no way of knowing this guy was still a danger until he acted out. He's dead, his amnesty is officially over, but if you had gone back a couple days, there might not have been any reason to think him still a danger.
[–]SquidBlub [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (6子コメント)
After being convicted for his assassination plot, he was sentenced to eight years in prison. He was released early and allowed to stay in Germany, but had to wear an electronic tag.
Europe pls
I'm American so maybe this is completely off-base, or maybe growing up in a cutthroat fuck you kind of country has given me a unique perspective. I feel like you guys are basing decisions on how you'd like the world to be, rather than how the world actually is.
Now obviously a revolutionary mindset is needed for change -- that is, if you want the world to change to some extent you have to base your actions around your vision -- but letting a known terrorist hang around in your country because the other terrorists don't like him is the height of frou frou we-are-the-world fuckery and you should've seen this coming. Who gives a shit if the Taliban kills him? He's not German. You have no obligation to care about him.
Hopefully this'll be a catalyst for change in how Europe deals with flagrantly recidivist immigrants.
What this says to me is "We care more about the safety of foreign terrorists than our own citizens"
[–]Political_Diatribe [スコア非表示] 20分前 (0子コメント)
Our world is surprising safe and things like this are very rare anomalies. They are so because we don't prescribe to American ways.
I have more chance of being killed by my toaster than an extremist, a thug and even less by a policeman and if I am sent prison there is zero chance of being raped. I don't think America is a particularly good model for anything except exporting fears and insecurity.
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[–]Citizen__217712 43ポイント44ポイント45ポイント 3時間前 (14子コメント)
Guess what Germany took in another milion muslims, this will become an everyday thing in Germany.
and no matter how bad they are, Germany sure as fuck cant go rounding up a million people and put them on trains. ಠ_ಠ
this whole situation is a powder keg.
[–]Scattered_Disk 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Why not, at least they had the experience.
[–]IceZG 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
That's what I'm saying once average German gets pissed off with Merkel they'll elect some right right winger and the situation they crated will blow up in their face.
Next year French will elect Le Pen guess why....
[–]bm117 63ポイント64ポイント65ポイント 2時間前 (35子コメント)
Is the officer ok?? The article was pretty vague about her condition.
[–]838h920 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 1時間前 (23子コメント)
The stabbed officer was taken to hospital for emergency surgery for her stab wound. She was also shot in the kidney by a stray bullet, but is said to be "out of danger".
[–]Artess 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 1時間前 (16子コメント)
I'm curious, does the second sentence mean that she was accidentally shot by her partner?
[–]NapalmRDT 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
According to the information given to us, since no other shooters were mentioned, one can only assume so.
[–]838h920 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (7子コメント)
Ihr Kollege gab daraufhin Schüsse auf den Täter ab. Dabei soll ein Schuss die Frau getroffen haben. Source Her partner fired shots at the culprit. It is believed that one of them hit the woman. (translated by me)
Ihr Kollege gab daraufhin Schüsse auf den Täter ab. Dabei soll ein Schuss die Frau getroffen haben. Source
Her partner fired shots at the culprit. It is believed that one of them hit the woman. (translated by me)
[–]Mikeahya [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (6子コメント)
I'm glad you're translating because I got ''Her colleague threw shoes at a tater."
[–]noodlyarms [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (4子コメント)
But did they catch the tater?
[–]Andy06r [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Depending on the caliber, it may have deflected off the bones of the assailant. The whole get shot in the foot with an exit wound in your hip.
But we don't know. Friendly fire is also possible.
[–]Type-21 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
German media reports that one of the bullets passed through the attacker and hit her.
[–]moonflash1 [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (3子コメント)
This comment is addressed at some of the misinformation in this thread. This guy had been living in Germany since 2006. He was convicted of plotting murder of the Iraqi president in 2008 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. In 2013, he was released on probation and was required to wear an electronic leg tag 24/7. On 18. September, the police was alerted that the electronic tag has been removed and that this guy was at large. Same day, in another part of town, police was alerted that a mad guy is threatening some pedestrians with a knife. Police arrived on the scene and what do you know, it's the same guy. They tried to arrest him, he resisted, got shot. And nothing of value was lost.
Source for information about suspect
German article about the whole situation
[–]czhunc 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Stabbed AND shot within a few minutes. What a shitty day.
[–]FookMiFookYuu 63ポイント64ポイント65ポイント 5時間前 (11子コメント)
Dude's got 3 eyebrows.
[–]THIS-IS-FISH 37ポイント38ポイント39ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
tri-brows
[–]DarknessAnOldFriend 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
2 eyebrows and 1 nosebrow
[–]gaspermat 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 5時間前 (4子コメント)
No, he's only got one.
[–]AmoebaMcSqueaky [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
That unibrow looks like it can bridge the dimensions of heaven and hell.
[–]Mnementh2230 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 1時間前 (6子コメント)
...and nothing of value was lost. I'll shed no tears for a dead extremist.
[–]just_arealist 159ポイント160ポイント161ポイント 2時間前 (72子コメント)
As a non Muslim Arab I'm petrified of our future (our children) because of these animals not being able to control their barbaric religious impulses.
[–]alionfiree [スコア非表示] 59分前 (1子コメント)
As a Muslim Arab, I'm also scared for the future with these extremists being free in European countries. My uncle in Iraq was very surprised when I told him there were pro-ISIS demonstrations in Amsterdam and The Hague. Extreme (political) Islam should not be tolerated, not in Muslim countries and even less in Europe.
[–]UMMF 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Absolutely
Co signed
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[–]Nicenightforawalk01 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
This happened yesterday and only reached the top now? Come on Reddit you can do better than that with this new system.
[–]redsfan17 316ポイント317ポイント318ポイント 3時間前 (67子コメント)
God help Germany now after letting in piles of these people. There will be lots of refugees who will contribute to the economy and society for the better but you know damn well there will be many bad apples amongst them. They get into our free and democratic countries because we are civil and let them but then they want to turn the country into a shit hole like their own.
I cannot wait for the day when religious fundamentalism is considered a mental illness. It's scary the foothold these people are getting.
[–]dizekat 48ポイント49ポイント50ポイント 1時間前 (5子コメント)
He's not part of recent refugees, he been there for years, been in prison, been monitored, was successfully prevented from obtaining anything but a knife. He's part of this constant tiny trickle of "they'll be killed in their home country for a reason, we disagree with killing anyone" refugees, not a part of "normal people run away from war" refugees that they're getting now.
[–]FalloutPlease [スコア非表示] 52分前 (0子コメント)
The man was not a refugee. He had been in Germany for years because he served a jail sentence there for plotting to kill the Iraqi prime minister.
[–]lunarlumberjack 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 2時間前 (20子コメント)
What's with these extremists always pointing their finger in the air?
http://i.imgur.com/KvYMEE4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9Rr3B81.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1qY1qE4.jpg
[–]Partheus 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
They want you to check their dubs.
[–]Hopelesz 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
They're making a point.
[–]FoneTap 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It's from people who pontificate and think way too highly of themselves
[–]Enceladus89 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I've heard that it's supposed to symbolise the idea of Tawhid.
[–]Matthew94 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
God damn, what a bad day.
[–]redditispants [スコア非表示] 54分前 (0子コメント)
immigrant allowed to stay in Berlin after being convicted of terrorism
Multiculturalism is absolute madness.
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[–]d3pd 74ポイント75ポイント76ポイント 3時間前 (35子コメント)
Islamic extremist purist
[–]BannedBannedBanned [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I was into beheadings before it was cool.
[–]Thtb 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Welp, doubled last years kill score, go Germany.
[–]Calaban007 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
You have to have these people infiltrate into western societies so they can plot and kill spreading terror with in them. Then as the governments peel back personal freedoms and liberties the public will go along with it because it keeps them safe from the terrorist the government unleashed on its own people. I'm not a conspiracy nut but god damn what kind of imbeciles would allow something like that to happen unless they had a ulterior motives.
[–]noimportantone [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Good.
[–]TalenGTP [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Good
[–]derfury [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Rafik Y. Anyone else just thinking of the lion king?
[–]Under3mployd [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
"identified only as Rafik Y" - adding to the evil of his plan is how his name comes close tainting the Lion King movies. Sounds like the evil brother to Rafiki
[–]m1ndbl0wn [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Extreme monobrow.
[–]Nerdenator [スコア非表示] 57分前 (0子コメント)
Well... bye.
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[–]Rebel_Unto [スコア非表示] 42分前 (0子コメント)
Can't wait to read daily of such attacks and people wondering why this shit happens. Based Slavs are holding the scum back
[–]oldmanwithahatchet [スコア非表示] 39分前 (0子コメント)
Good riddance.
[–]amkronos [スコア非表示] 34分前 (0子コメント)
Bad choices Germany.... This guy was as extremist as it gets, yet you let him remain in your country once he was released from jail? That's some epic level retarded.
[–]IgnisFiat [スコア非表示] 33分前 (0子コメント)
we need more migrants!!!!!
[–]Websoup [スコア非表示] 16分前 (1子コメント)
So it has begun already. What did they expect? They're taking in 800,000 people they don't know and without much identification. Sadly, I expect this will continue to happen in the upcoming months.
[–]drippinglead 39ポイント40ポイント41ポイント 2時間前 (22子コメント)
Am I supposed to be mad at Germany for allowing knives? Or, mad a the German police for shooting someone? Or, am I supposed to feel bad for non-extremists getting a bad rap for this?
[–]murdock129 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Considering the amount of comments along the line of:
This refugee bullshit is really making me hate Muslims. America might have some bullshit going on but at least we don't have to deal with these subhuman cunts.
and
This is only the beginning for Europe and Germany. How many ISIS members have already snuck into Europe already? Everyone is so afraid of standing up to PC liberal bullshit for fear of being labeled a 'racist' that they're now too afraid to stand up for their own self-preservation. Just wait until they successfully set off a dirty bomb at a Christian holy site in Europe and make it off limits for 1000 years from radioactive contamination. Only then will the West finally wakeup to the cancer they've allowed into their borders.
I'd say the third one is a pretty valid viewpoint
[–]fiah84 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 1時間前* (10子コメント)
islam doesn't kill people, knives kill people! All knives will be banned and you will eat your schnitzel with a fork
[–]Junoh315 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
If you ban knives then guns won't be able to kill people as easily.
Yes, the video is kind of stupid but give it a chance and you'll see what I'm talking about. Don't take it seriously.
[–]UmberBane [スコア非表示] 48分前 (0子コメント)
Seriously though, imagine if this guy had a access to a gun. It seems reasonable to think that it would have likely been much worse.
[–]MadMaxGamer 139ポイント140ポイント141ポイント 5時間前 (141子コメント)
Germany treated east europeans like shit when they came to look for jobs in the 90s. Polish,czech,romanian, estonian, we all wanted to live there and didnt care about religion and ideals, we just wanted a decent life, but germans dont like people that aren`t exacly like them, so many of us got turned back. Enjoy syrians, Germany.
[–]boppps 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
They weren't black enough.
[–]Absolute_Zoro 118ポイント119ポイント120ポイント 4時間前 (66子コメント)
Thank you! That's exactly how I feel. My family moved to Germany from Russia in the 90s. My mother is ethnically German, so called "Russlanddeutsche". My family was "invited" to move to Germany and we were treated like shit. My parents couldn't find a job though both of them has a university diploma. We basically lived in poverty and even now not everythings is perfect.
But now suddenly everybody loves migrants and want more of them in the country. It's a fucking farce.
[–]imatsor 147ポイント148ポイント149ポイント 3時間前 (42子コメント)
2.5 MILLION "Russlanddeutsche" came to germany in the years after 1990 (nearly 200.000 every year) and until 1997 they've got automatically the german citizenship, even if they didn't speak a single german word.
So on top of the efforts to build up the ruine formally called GDR, the germans also had to deal with masses of so called "germans" who didn't even speak a word of german. many of them were farmers with no useful skill for a modern society and you are surprized that the Germans didn't welcome everyone with open arms??
[–]Hegel1 59ポイント60ポイント61ポイント 2時間前* (22子コメント)
na, he is just one of the losers that didnt cut it here in germany. usually big families that didnt give a fuck about the language, because why if you dont need to.
they got money for everything,free housing, welfare, starting money.
he is just bitching thinking the new refugees will have it better than they got.
they always forget that we had the reunification of east and west germany, they cut social security and stuff, but they were treated very well. if you wanted to make it in 90s germany, you made it.
i know a lot russland deutsche, and they only reached social status and riches by integrating, some even cant speak russian anymore because the parents stopped talking russian at home.
and that is how you make it in germany, dont have a thick accent, hide your machismo and cut down a little on the aggression, boom you are german.
edit: now the guy is mad and telling me he gets a Ph.D. look at how horrible germany treated him and his family.
no wonder people turn away from immigrants and refugees when 20 years later they do their Ph.D. and tell you how horrible the nation is that gave them everything they have today.thats cool.
[–]windirein [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Nah man. You gotta get free money, free living space and then some and still complain about how you weren't welcome. Because germany was obligated to take in those russians in the first place, amirite?
For everyone that fails to join the german society there is a russian/turkish/arab/asian family that managed to do so by actually learning the language and putting themselves out there.
People who didn't make it didn't even try and now blame everyone but themselves.
[–]Hegel1 [スコア非表示] 36分前 (0子コメント)
BINGO! germany looks after your housing,clothing, food and education.
the rest has to come from oneself, but as you can see,we get shit on 20 years later by a dude who gets his Ph.D. now.
is it time for a CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE or am i doing this wrong?
[–]Xerodan 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 2時間前* (8子コメント)
My family are Russlanddeutsche, and it's, for example, definitely not true that we didn't speak German, my grandmother and all of her family for example speaks Plattdüütsch, albeit an old and quite different version of it. A lot of those who came were quite young, 20 at the time, and learned the language quickly. The second/third generation is mostly completely integrated. One problem is that Russian-Germans are usually a close-knit community, and thus they tend to form ghettos, at least the socially underprivileged. Another problem is the cultural divide, since those people who came had basically a mindset still stuck in the 50s. And you can't imagine how little they got when they first moved here. My family got a 1 or 2 room flat, I don't remember anymore which, for 5 people.
[–]windirein [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
What do you mean, "how little they got" ? You got the flats for free? Or was that all you could afford? I'm quite wondering what your point is.
[–]noirpied [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Idgi were you supposed to have been given MORE for nothing?
[–]URPerfect 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
Are you sure you are not American? I was under impression that only here people have the audacity to complain about free housing and benefits they never worked for... TIL
[–]Hegel1 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
nope. this is what germany gets for taking in russians while west germany fed the east germans, worked their asses off, had their social security cut,their taxes upped and had to give up the deutsche mark for the greater good ( without euro no reunification, thx france and UK)
people like him come always out of the woodwork, read the rest of his comments, he is getting a Ph.D. germany was really bad to him.
[–]xFreeZeex [スコア非表示] 43分前* (0子コメント)
My family are also Russlanddeutsche. My great grand-mother couldn't even speak or write Russian, only German. In Russia they were seen as Germans, since their ID said so, and in Germany they are called Russians because of their accents. So you really can't compare them to refugees at all.
[–]windirein 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
So....why did you move away from russia? Both of them have diplomas, why not stay in russia and help to make it a better country? And I really want to know how you have been "treated like shit". Because you haven't. If you would've been, you would've went back to mother russia because you make it sound like it treated you well. Or what was the reason you left in the first place? Exactly.
[–]dizekat [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (2子コメント)
They gave you citizenship and equal opportunity to get jobs as their own citizens * , which is a lot, lot better than what people had in Russia in the 1990s. * who also had trouble getting jobs you know. You had access to free education.
They gave it to you and 2.5 millions others specifically because of the race. Do you have any clue what the fuck was happening in Russia in 1990s? Do you have any idea what your volksdeutsche asses had escaped? The actual not enough food poverty.
Germans simply should have applied an equal standard to anyone regardless of their ancestry. Then if they wanted 2.5 millions Russians they could've chosen people who do speak good German and have employable skills, and Germany would have been a lot better off with those people as new citizens. Ethnic driven policies are ineffective as they sacrifice efficiency in the name of ethnic discrimination.
[–]tecnicaltictac 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Maybe things are changing. "Die Wende" was 25 years ago, since then, a lot of time has passed, a new generation was born. Maybe people in Germany are more open and tolerant than 25 years ago.
[–]if-loop 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 4時間前 (16子コメント)
germans dont like people that aren`t exacly like them, so many of us got turned back. Enjoy syrians
germans dont like people that aren`t exacly like them, so many of us got turned back.
Enjoy syrians
Wait, are you saying Syrians are exactly like Germans and that's why they don't get turned back?
Are you saying all the millions of Italians, Greeks, Turks, and whatnot living in Germany are (or were) exactly like Germans?
By the way, there are many Eastern Europeans (including Russians) in Germany by now and they're really well integrated (except Roma).
we all wanted to live there ..., we just wanted a decent life
And that's the reason why some/many got rejected: Economic migrants aren't welcome in general if the economy doesn't need them at that moment, but that's not a German quirk. In the 90s, Germany first had to fix the GDR region before taking in more people (and that's not even really finished yet).
[–]boppps 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 4時間前* (14子コメント)
He means that in order for eastern european man to move to Germany, you have to do some paperwork which may take months, you need university degree, you need language knowledge and lots of money as a start-up capital. And even then there is a chance you get rejected.
But those basically worthless "immigrants" from Africa and ME get instant access, instant benefits and etc. Why? Are eastern europeans not black enough?
Better taking in a muslim peasant, than a eastern european doctor/engineer. Amirite?
[–]SimyK 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Thing is he and his family came as immigrants. So of course there's paper work. You basically always need a degree/enough education have german roots/ money or a job to move to germany or even more so to become a german citizen. Why should it be any different?
They didn't come from a war torn country, they werent starving and probably not sleeping in tents. Apparantly (at least it sounds like that) they expected to just arrive here and get a job while germany hat major problems resulting from the reunification.
The situation now is completly different. Now you have people who got nothing, not even tents and they got their last bit of money stolen by human trafficers. Winter is coming and it will be really awful when they have to sleep on the streets..
[–]verty101 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I think it might have something to do with the fact that they are refugees and not normal immigrants.
[–]if-loop [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (0子コメント)
He means that ...
If he means something he should write it.
This statement:
germans dont like people that aren`t exacly like them
is what bothers me. Because it's not true as shown by the number of "people with immigrant background" from both Eastern Europe and elsewhere living in Germany, and the current handling of the refugee crisis (whether you agree with it or not is a different matter entirely).
[–]heavymetalengineer 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Germany treated east europeans like shit when they came to look for jobs in the 90s
So that was bad, but now that Germany is welcoming people that's also bad...because they were bad before, so should continue to be bad which will be good?
[–]Vik1ng 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
so many of us got turned back
Well, you weren't facing the death penalty at home weren't you?
[–]Scotty70 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Islamic extremists are like roaches. By the time you actually see and kill one in your home there are already hundreds more hiding in your home.
[–]ihateslowdrivers 33ポイント34ポイント35ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
So peaceful
[–]stpoopybutthole 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Religion of... yadda yadda
[–]BumbleTummy [スコア非表示] 29分前 (1子コメント)
This must be some sort of misunderstanding. I've been assured that all the Muslims filling the country are just looking for help and will only enrich this nation.
[–]AlabasterBear 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 2時間前 (34子コメント)
He would have been shot for stabbing a police officer if he was a Muslim or if he was a Christian...
[–]Tephnos 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 1時間前 (29子コメント)
When have you ever heard of a Christian extremist killing people in Europe to spread Christianity (or in a ME country for that matter?)
I think the point is that Islamic extremism happens way more often.
[–]atomsej [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Bosnia.
[–]MisterRoku [スコア非表示] 50分前 (4子コメント)
But all the liberal Germans on Reddit say there are no dangerous Muslims living in Germany right now... gee, I guess this is just an anomaly event.
π Rendered by PID 16444 on app-296 at 2015-09-18 16:30:11.458211+00:00 running 722d897 country code: JP.
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