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Islamic extremist shot dead in Berlin after stabbing police officer (independent.co.uk)

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[–]just_arealist 130ポイント131ポイント  (53子コメント)

As a non Muslim Arab I'm petrified of our future (our children) because of these animals not being able to control their barbaric religious impulses.

[–]UMMF 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Absolutely

Co signed

[–]nightwatch707 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

As a Muslim I feel the same about their barbaric impulses too. Let the down votes rain because you don't like your assumptions challenged.

[–]blindfire40 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I've actually started reading the Koran (as a devout Christian) to better understand Islam.

If you know this information, could you point me in the direction of the passages most frequently used to justify terrorism, or the ones most frequently used (by non-Muslims) as evidence of Islam's inherent violence?

I don't have as much time as I would like, and while context is important and I'll eventually get there, I would like to start from the epicenter out, as it were.

So far in my readings, though, I gotta say: I completely understand why 1.2 billion of you guys or so are thoughtful, generous folk. Just like anything else, there are a vocal minority of crazies messing it up for everyone else.

[–]nightwatch707 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This one comes up a lot, here, see for yourself;

"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter... and fight them until fitnah is no more, and religion is for Allah." (Quran 2:191)

The stupid thing is just the verse before that is this one;

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors." (Quran 2:190)

There's a short Wikipedia article explaining the commonly quoted verses;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence#Sword_verses

[–]just_arealist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I blame everything on the Saudi Arabian Wahhabi/Salafi ideology which has been spreading like a cancer. It preaches hate, intolerance and persecution, it allows sex slaves and violence in the name of religion.

It is absolutely everything which is wrong with Islam.

[–]HarrisSinclair [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

try asking r/athiesm if anything iffy is writen in any holy text they know about it

[–]Hopelesz [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

As a European, I feel sorry when you guys get mixed up with them but we can't help it. It's not racism just nature.

[–]CowboyNinjaAstronaut [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The problem is not racial, it's religious. "Islam" is not a race.

[–]Ragark [スコア非表示]  (29子コメント)

How is that not racism?

[–]Hopelesz [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

OK, let me rephrase, racism is natural. (We are evolved enough to think it through and not do it, but yeah). We generalise in everything. When members of a group perform some acts, the whole group will look bad, including the good guys. This happens with everything in life.

[–]0jun [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Very true. It's a double edged sword here, though. They all (Extremists) think that everyone in the West is impure and want to kill them, and the West thinks they all are terrorists and just want to kill them.

[–]OnlyRacistOnReddit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think anyone believes that "all Muslims" or "all Arabs" are terrorists, but it's not like the ones who are terrorists wear signs.

[–]Ragark [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Racism is not natural. Tribalism is. Attaching group characteristics to all people of one skin color is not natural, and is actually a relatively new thing.

[–]joalr0 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Uh, source?

[–]Ragark [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's been a long time since I've read it, but iirc the idea is that it stems from the African slave trade as a way to dehumanize them.

I just did a quick google search on the origin of racism, and then skimmed this article. I'm pretty sure it's saying the same thing http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-02-01.htm

[–]joalr0 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So from a quick skim this seems to suggest the origins of racism was the first time people had continuous contact with colour that wasn't their own.

[–]Fartoholic [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Skin colour is one of the easiest characteristics to be tribal about.

[–]Ragark [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In the modern day when people get around, yes. Back way when, when most people looked similar, culture was where it was at. If a guy who looked totally different then you showed up and had the same culture, you'd probably be pretty chill. I mean, there were black romans and white barbarians at the same time, you know?

[–]HarrisSinclair [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

prejudice is the word you are looking for, and it can and often does apply to people who look similar

[–]Ragark [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Being weary of people not like you is one thing, treating people of the same color but of a multitude of backgrounds and cultures the same is not, that is socially constructed.

[–]c4rdi4c4rrest [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

An individual's color or looks is like the easiest thing to be tribal about. Even chickens do it. We had speckled chickens that stayed with the other speckled chickens on the roost and at feeding time and yellow chickens that only stayed in groups with yellow chickens. Most of the breeding was inside the color/phenotype groups as well, but if the only female available was of a different group males would breed her.

[–]oliverklozawf [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Because it's self preservation.

[–]Ragark [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Treating arabs as islamic extremist isn't self-preservation, it's racism, our and out. Screening your refugees and immigrants for being terrorist is self-preservation.

[–]Shennia [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

No, screening refugees is not racism it is rather an act of security.

It's like looking into a package of eggs, if one is broken before purchasing them.

[–]Ragark [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I mean screening is "self-preservation" but that racism isn't.

[–]0jun [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I believe that whenever you generalize and almost lead to the birth of a stereotype, it's definitely racism.
Irrational hate towards all muslims (More towards the Middle-East), and treating them as terrorists.

[–]oliverklozawf [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I agree, but the fact is that non-muslims aren't causing problems in Germany right now. I think that generalization is necessary to keep the Germans safe from those they are trying to help.

[–]0jun [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I don't know about the exact situation there, so I cannot comment on that. But yes, these people should be punished. What's wrong is wrong. It doesn't matter who/what they are.
What I'm afraid of is that these people give a bad rep to the innocent muslims, and they have to suffer. It's human nature after all.

[–]oliverklozawf [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's a damn shame, but some of the refugees are bringing a violent, backwards culture. It would be absolutely fine if it wasn't such a culture clash, or if the majority of the refugees planned on assimilating, but that doesn't seem like the case.

[–]0jun [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hmm. That's very unfortunate. But it's only natural that there will be some people like that amongst such a large sample of people.
I think what the German Government did was a correct step, but they needed to be more thorough and elaborate. Completely shunning them and telling them to "Get lost" is very, very inhumane.

Now, there will obviously be culture clashes, and we need to make them understand, in a polite way that we're trying to help them and that they will have to adapt. If they still insist on not taking help and want to go about their own ways, and don't want to be associated with the other refugees who just want to live peacefully, then the government cannot help them in any way.

[–]Plkmjnu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Rally against them

[–]alionfiree [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As a Muslim Arab, I'm also scared for the future with these extremists being free in European countries. My uncle in Iraq was very surprised when I told him there were pro-ISIS demonstrations in Amsterdam and The Hague. Extreme (political) Islam should not be tolerated, not in Muslim countries and even less in Europe.

[–]AgTown05 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I dont know where you live but ill tell you this isnt the case with everyone. Im from america and stayed in a guesthouse in korea two nights ago. When I woke up in the morning and went to the common room there was an arab family cooking breakfast. They invited me to join them and it turns out they were from iran. Imagine that, an american and an iran family sharing breakfast together. They were so nice and we had a great conversation about our countries. I guess what im trying to say is, not all of us are filled with hate.

[–]just_arealist [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Iranians and Shia Muslims in general are much more open and integrate much better than other Arab muslims, trust me I've realized that a decade ago.

[–]AgTown05 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Interesting. Do you have any stories to back that up? Id love to hear them.

[–]IareStupid [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I guess what im trying to say is, not all of us are filled with hate.

And yet you said "* I personally think even one "anectode" about an out of control immigrant is too many. Im not a white supremacist, im not against islam, but one immigrant stabbing a police officer is too many. This is not their country. They chose to go there. Assimilate and fit in. Leave your mindset at home.*".

You obviously think that a whole group should suffer if one person from that group commits a crime.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3lexjc/islamic_extremist_shot_dead_in_berlin_after/cv5y5ta?context=3

And yet you

[–]AgTown05 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Suffer? I never called for any suffering. This situation is way above my level of expertice which is not high haha. all im saying is, if things like this keep Happening something has to change. If that was my mom getting stabbed in the street because my govt allowed these refugees in I would be furious.

I dont want suffering but I dont know the solution. Do you understand where im coming from at least? I hope so. I dont really like arguing but I am opinionated. Sometimes im bad at making my points though.

[–]lmfaocopter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

really? muslims/arabs in Europe are pretty much given red carpet treatment

[–]dbagexterminator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

maybe you havent heard, but islam is a religion of peace

[–]Ohitemup [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As a Muslim Arab I am petrified these people lack any true understanding of the religion leading them to commit these disgusting crimes. But people like you who generalize the actions of a few and superimpose those beliefs on a whole religion only fuels this extremist narrative that it's Muslims against the world.

[–]nelly676 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

what does you being a non muslim have to do with anything.

[–]just_arealist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

After 9/11 minorities which were Muslim looking were targeted in the US by lone wovles, some weren't even muslim. A lot of non Muslims which flee the mid east leave because of Muslim persecution.

So going elsewhere and getting targeted because of the way you look or by the pronunciation of your name is quite the shitty situation.

[–]stpoopybutthole [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm petrified of our future, too, because we're the target.