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[–]0-cares-given 88ポイント89ポイント  (47子コメント)

/u/500500 just posted there

[–]linknewtab 100ポイント101ポイント  (33子コメント)

While I think he didn't handle it very professional, he kind of has a point. At least people should see both sides of this story.

[–]mrgreen72 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. I expect Reddit subs to be communities ran by fans, not the corporations themselves. We know how to find their official websites.

Give them "flair", not admin.

[–]Kosyne 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same. Coulda been handled better, but /r/oculus is the same in not having official people as mods.

[–]Falandorn 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are blessed with real decent modding here

[–]MyNonpornOculusAccnt 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, while he could have handled it better, he has a point and I am actually glad he is sticking to his guns. I am now subscribing to /r/Vive.

[–]muchcharles 15ポイント16ポイント  (10子コメント)

When you look at how the FTC has prosecuted blogs and youtubers for hidden corporate shilling I think he handled it very professionally, if the modmail dumps are unaltered and the offer of perks is true (edit: they seem to be, /u/RIFT-VR hasn't disputed them).

I think part of getting the banner replaced with something official might have been done to avoid FTC actions, as the FTC rulings are only on undisclosed payments where it looks like the content creator has no affiliation.

[–]TheFlyingBastard 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think part of getting the banner replaced with something official might have been done to avoid FTC actions

I like your business mentality, but it was actually much simpler. The device was no longer called the "Re Vive" but the "Vive" so the banner was outdated. HTC offered to create a "Vive" banner as a token of good will.

[–]muchcharles 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Aside from tokens if good will being the type of terminilogy you'd expect in a godfather movie before a drug territory deal, the FTC actions have targeted both sides of these types of transactions, so the banner would have protected HTC as well as you guys.

[–]TheFlyingBastard 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Aside from tokens if good will being the type of terminilogy you'd expect in a godfather movie before a drug territory deal

Bahaha. Really? Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker, so I'm just using phrases that sound appropriate to me in the moment. What would be a better phrase? 'It was a friendly gesture'?

the FTC actions have targeted both sides of these types of transactions, so the banner would have protected HTC as well as you guys.

What types of transactions, though? You mentioned 'undisclosed payments', but...

[–]muchcharles 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

It isn't outrageous, they immediately started tweeting for people to visit their official subreddit and linking it. By making it official, they avoid the types of issues the FTC has raised with stealth sponsoring of mommy blogs, YouTube channels, etc. The undisclosed payments were in those cases, not in this one. We have no evidence of any payments in this case. I just said the banner and mod addition could be used to do those kinds of payments etc. without falling afoul of the FTC's recent guidelines, not that any payments had happened.

[–]TheFlyingBastard 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think I see what you mean. What you're saying is that their agenda is that they start contributing to and building up /r/Vive into their official homebase on reddit, so that any hypothetical, undisclosed future payments are a-ok by FTC standards. An investing in the future kind of thing. Do I understand you correctly?

[–]muchcharles -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm saying it is a possibility. We don't have access to everything. /u/RIFT-VR's post clearly misrepresented lot of stuff when we compare it with the HTC rep's language and the logs the admin posted.

[–]TheFlyingBastard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, well, it makes sense from HTCs perspective. I certainly would not dismiss it.

And yeah, OP's post was a tad over the top, wasn't it? Ascribing emotions to people such as bitterness and stuff. Just like I wished that 500500 hadn't just kicked us all out suddenly, I also wish that RIFT-VR hadn't made such an obviously emotional and furious post. There's no honour, no style in that.

Still, he's telling the truth in his later edit - we really didn't think of these "perks" as something we would personally get. You can see in the full (uncut) modmail that none of us were thinking about how this would benefit us personally, since we were so excited about making /r/Vive awesome.

I guess we just got dragged into the hype. :)

[–]linknewtab 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was actually more talking about putting a gumba in the banner and this childish message. He could have just removed the moderatos and made a calm, professional post about it, explaining what happened and why it happened.

[–]muchcharles 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, ok, I agree that he should have put up an explanation. The goomba isn't professional, and the message is sort of childishly taunting. But if the offer of perks was really made, the banner message does seem to at least be accurate.

[–]Sinity 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, yeah. But he had right to be a bit pissed off about that situation :P

[–]Ghs2 15ポイント16ポイント  (14子コメント)

I actually came away with the opposite feeling.

Option 1: Tell the other mods and HTC that perks would go against policy

Option 2: Delete all the mods out and change the banner

He chose 2. Kinda the crazy one.

While the title of this post is a bit questionable (avoid? More like change of management) I'm not really feeling 500500's response to it.

[–]st23576 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

He took it a bit too far, but he did start with Option 1 and the mods did exactly what he told them not to do.

[–]Sinity 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Option 1 likely would leave him with a team of mods who are conflicted with him. Not that much better.

[–]ohmk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

communicating that even if it's against the majority is a completely unreasonable approach

[–]muchcharles 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

Since the communication took place outside of mod mail in separate emails he probably nuked everyone until he could find out who the collaborators were etc. Seems reasonable in the face of something attacking the integrity of the sub with bribes.

[–]Ghs2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Collaborators? Yikes!

[–]muchcharles 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

Let's see, moderators are offered bribes. Admin turns them down. Low-level moderators go off in separate email without CCing everyone, accept the offer, and add HTC as mods anyway, against overall reddit policy on corporate shill mods. So yeah, since things happened in email and outside of mod mail, the guy couldn't be sure who did what and just nuked things until he could straighten it out. Seems reasonable.

[–]DJanomaly -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

He ignored most attempts to have a conversation about it.

You have a strange definition of reasonable.

[–]muchcharles 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

He's in the mod mail discussions and he rejected adding them. They then added them anyway when he was inactive for a couple days.

[–]TheFlyingBastard -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since the communication took place outside of mod mail in separate emails

Just for the record, I never got any separate emails and as far as I am aware, any communication went through modmail.

[–]chileangod 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

He certainly could have been less childish, I mean that message up in the banner with the goomba, come on! Other than that I really like when people have a backbone and stand by their principles.

[–]Brobi_WanKenobi -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

reddit

see both sides of the story

lol

[–]DrBoomkin 38ポイント39ポイント  (12子コメント)

I like how /u/RIFT-VR "forgot" to mention he (and the rest of the mod team) were offered "perks" from HTC in exchange for making them admins.