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RIFT-VRZENITH 01 Developer が 投稿

Hey guys. Just a heads-up.

Several months ago, not long after the Vive announcement, I was invited to moderate /r/Vive, along with several others, by its administrator.

Things were relatively slow, as most VR-centric discussion was being held here, and there weren't a lot of posts to moderate. /u/Schepter was working on a very cool style sheet and we were waiting for the traffic to begin to build as the HMD neared completion/soft launch.

Then, something exciting happened. A media relations guy from HTC got in contact with the mod team, and diplomatically explained how he'd like it if we could work together on the sub, as they didn't want to take it over, but help facilitate news releases and make sure we were well-equipped, if need be, to represent their brand. We also got into contact with someone managing the Vive tour, and even had some graphics made for us by HTC graphics team! They're honestly really nice guys.

Sounds great, right?! Well, we all thought so, but admin /u/500500 did not -- going into a strangely bitter rant about how the subreddit would devolve into a cold, clinical, & corporate Facebook alternative if we had any sort of relationship with them. Conspiracy theorist stuff. We can understand a hesitance if one is worried about becoming biased, or about a loss of control, but that's an unfair assessment to make when we didn't even get to test the partnership. Then he vanished, for almost a week. Wouldn't respond to a single message as we all explained thoroughly why we want to try this relationship out. After all -- we were just adding one HTC moderator with very limited abilities for the sake of easy communication with the whole team.

Since we were on-board and the administrator was AWOL, our HTC contact was added last night, again with more explanation and precaution to our admin, for whenever he returned. We really wanted a discussion with him to see why he felt hesitant.

Well, we woke up this morning to find the whole /r/Vive moderator team wiped out. We've all been deleted, and two randoms were added in our place. A goomba from Mario was added to the banner, along with this new message meant to taunt us/HTC: http://i.imgur.com/tK5CW6k.png

I wanted to give a heads-up to anyone anticipating the Vive that the subreddit /r/Vive is, unfortunately, probably not the best place to go. Maybe a better one will pop up soon, or maybe /r/SteamVR is the way to go if you're hardware-agnostic. But what was once shaping up to be a great subreddit with a direct link to HTC as a source for news and possibly exclusive content is, now, unfortunately defunct.

So if you were looking for the best place to discuss the Vive, then you might want to go to the HTC forums. Sad way to end a good sub. I'm just posting this here because of the cross-pollination of our user bases.

I apologize if this isn't a good place to post this, or looks petty & retaliatory, but this is very surprising and disappointing to us. It's hard to believe that a subreddit devoted to, primarily, an HTC product would be so combative with the very same company.

It looks like said administrator posted a bunch of the mod mail in an attempt to misconstrue his use of the word "perks". We actually hadn't focused on that sentence. In reality we just assumed that meant their knowledge base, some free graphics, and, god forbid, some stickers. We were not bribed in any way, shape, or form.

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[–]0-cares-given 39ポイント40ポイント  (15子コメント)

/u/500500 just posted there

[–]linknewtab 42ポイント43ポイント  (9子コメント)

While I think he didn't handle it very professional, he kind of has a point. At least people should see both sides of this story.

[–]Kosyne 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same. Coulda been handled better, but /r/oculus is the same in not having official people as mods.

[–]muchcharles 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

When you look at how the FTC has prosecuted blogs and youtubers for hidden corporate shilling I think he handled it very professionally, if the modmail dumps are unaltered and the offer of perks is true.

I think part of getting the banner replaced with something official might have been done to avoid FTC actions, as the FTC rulings are only on undisclosed payments where it looks like the content creator has no affiliation.

[–]linknewtab 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was actually more talking about putting a gumba in the banner and this childish message. He could have just removed the moderatos and made a calm, professional post about it, explaining what happened and why it happened.

[–]muchcharles 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, ok, I agree that he should have put up an explanation. The goomba isn't professional, and the message is sort of childishly taunting. But if the offer of perks was really made, the banner message does seem to at least be accurate.

[–]chileangod 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

He certainly could have been less childish, I mean that message up in the banner with the goomba, come on! Other than that I really like when people have a backbone and stand by their principles.

[–]Ghs2 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I actually came away with the opposite feeling.

Option 1: Tell the other mods and HTC that perks would go against policy

Option 2: Delete all the mods out and change the banner

He chose 2. Kinda the crazy one.

While the title of this post is a bit questionable (avoid? More like change of management) I'm not really feeling 500500's response to it.

[–]muchcharles 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Since the communication took place outside of mod mail in separate emails he probably nuked everyone until he could find out who the collaborators were etc. Seems reasonable in the face of something attacking the integrity of the sub with bribes.

[–]Ghs2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Collaborators? Yikes!

[–]muchcharles 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's see, moderators are offered bribes. Admin turns them down. Low-level moderators go off in separate email without CCing everyone, accept the offer, and add HTC as mods anyway, against overall reddit policy on corporate shill mods. So yeah, since things happened in email and outside of mod mail, the guy couldn't be sure who did what and just nuked things until he could straighten it out. Seems reasonable.

[–]DrBoomkin 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

I like how /u/RIFT-VR "forgot" to mention he (and the rest of the mod team) were offered "perks" from HTC in exchange for making them admins.

[–]RIFT-VRZENITH 01 Developer[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

We were under the impression that whatever he meant by "perks" was the cooperation of HTC in providing neat graphics or a good knowledge base. I actually wasn't really focused on that sentence at all. 500500 just dumped the modmail log but I don't think there's anything incrimination in there, because we had no ill intent.

[–]muchcharles 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah right. This is so disingenuous. The offer reads:

resources on this sub featuring exclusive content and perks for the preexisting mod team

They offered content for the sub, and separately perks for the preexisting mod team!

[–]RIFT-VRZENITH 01 Developer[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

...yeah, for the mod team to utilize. You're arguing semantics now.

[–]muchcharles 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That isn't part of the quote. I'm not arguing semantics. It doesn't say "to utilize". And it is offered separately from the stuff that would be utilized on the sub:

https://i.imgur.com/rPPjH6I.png

No one could read that as anything but personal perks for the existing mods, and you didn't even mention it in your parent post until you were called out. Disgusting.

[–]Seanspeed 103ポイント104ポイント  (14子コメント)

Strange.

That said, having an HTC employee as a moderator would be hugely off-putting, innocent intent or not. There is no reason they cant just contribute without having any power.

[–]Kuratagi 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's it. It's not all so clear.

And I'm looking all the comments in your line being downvoted in the thread. Maybe some strategy here?

[–]AFatDarthVader 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was a moderator at /r/GlobalOffensive until last week (no time to mod any more), so I'm quite familiar with the processes.

I don't see any legitimate reason to add a company representative as a moderator. It does not add any communication channels that are not already available and it does not ease the release of information. On top of that, modiquette addresses this directly:

Please don't:

  • Take moderation positions in communities where your profession, employment, or biases could pose a direct conflict of interest to the neutral and user driven nature of reddit.

I'm sure neither the mod team nor the HTC rep had any sinister intentions, but there's also no reason to add the guy as a mod. Better to avoid a conflict of interest where you can.

[–]martialfarts316 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

I don't know how subreddit modding works or anything, but didn't he state

very limited abilities for the sake of easy communication with the whole team.

Wouldn't that mean they would only assign the HTC mod certain rights just to make communication easier? Not full on power like other mods? If so, is that so bad?

[–]AFatDarthVader 24ポイント25ポイント  (8子コメント)

There are no moderator privileges that make communication easier.

[–]martialfarts316 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thanks for pointing that out. That being said, are there ways to limit what certain mods can do?

EDIT: Wait, what about mod mail?

[–]AFatDarthVader 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, you can limit what privileges are available to each moderator. But there's no real reason to add a mod for communication reasons, no matter how restricted their privileges are.

Modmail is not restricted to moderators; anyone can send modmail. The point of modmail is for users to contact the moderators of a subreddit. For example, send a PM addressed to /r/Oculus and it will go the moderators of this subreddit. They can then reply to you and you to them, etc. It's just a PM that goes to a mod team instead of a single user.

Edit: don't know who's down voting you. They're legitimate questions.

[–]martialfarts316 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alrighty, thanks for all the explanations. Knowing this now, I don't feel like there was a need to make the HTC representative a mod, as they could have done everything they were proposing as normal users.

Though I do feel the executions of the actions by /u/500500 were a little extreme.

And I'm not worried about the downvotes. You gave me an answer and I'm not too worried about internet points.

[–]TheFlyingBastard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Modmail is not restricted to moderators; anyone can send modmail. The point of modmail is for users to contact the moderators of a subreddit.

A few weeks ago JebusGobson, an awesome moderator from Flanders, banned me for a day for insulting the Belgians. (Nothing serious, he was joking around, I was joking around, we were just having some fun.)

For the rest of the day we continued our banter in the modmail and other moderators joined in. Fun all around. I noticed I couldn't respond to some comments, but could respond to others. I'm not quite sure why, but I suspect it's because I could only reply to comments that were a direct reply to me.

I figured that that was the reason that we couldn't just use modmail for everything - the HTC guy would probably not be able to respond to everything. Still, I was kinda hesitant to put his name up there as a moderator due to any (perceived) conflict of interest, but as long as we didn't give him any real power and were transparent about everything, and it was all just a workaround to get communication flowing, I figured it couldn't do much harm - especially since we could easily retract any changes we made.

[–]muchcharles 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Anyone can send mod mail by sending a message to #[subreddit_name]. I.e. send a message to #vive and you can talk back and forth with all the moderators. There was no need to make HTC recipients of mod mail to allow communications between all the mods and HTC.

[–]martialfarts316 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, that makes sense. And yea, knowing that now, I would agree that there is no need to make the HTC representatives a mod if their main reason for doing so was to "communicate effectively".

[–]Atmic 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You could make the argument speaking with a 'green name' can give more credibility to a user, but it's a moot point.

Official HTC/Vive Flair would've accomplished the same, if not more.

[–]AFatDarthVader 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The [M] tag is meant to denote that someone is posting "as a moderator". For example, when providing a deletion reason or explaining a rule. It shouldn't be used to signify that someone is speaking on behalf of a company.

You've got it right, anyhow: an official flair is by far the best way to do this.

[–]Thoras 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree with the OP personally. An official representative does not need moderator power on a subreddit for their product. That's absolutely unnecessary and the Admin has every right to do what he did. Petty? Maybe. But it's also not a good idea to go behind the back of a guy who can just remove you at any moment.

[–]kontis 51ポイント52ポイント  (8子コメント)

Honestly, I very much like the fact that /r/oculus is NOT affiliated with Oculus. I remember that Palmer wanted to be a moderator here and I'm glad that didn't happen, because that avoids some potentially nasty accusations and... things that happened to that /r/vive subreddit.

[–]diegargon 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I not member but i like that decision and his explanation https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/3lbbkb/what_does_that_mean/cv4sreb

[–]chileangod 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Humm... think about it. Would the uproar following Facebook's acquisition of Oculus would have been so present on the sub if Palmer was one of the mods? Without being one he did a stellar job at calming everyone down.

[–]palmerluckeyFounder, Oculus VR 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember that Palmer wanted to be a moderator here and I'm glad that didn't happen

I don't think I have ever wanted to be a mod here. IIRC, the offer was made a long time ago, but I turned it down because I did not think it would be appropriate for a community subreddit to be directly controlled by someone with a horse in the race

[–]polezo -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's an argument to be made for each side. I see nothing wrong with lite moderation from a member of the HTC team (as long as they aren't given the capability of removing posts or otherwise censor content that makes the Vive look bad). It can be helpful if they're there to at least respond and get their perspective on controversy, quickly answer qs, as well as enhance the appearance of the sub. I'd understand the reasons why people might be against this though.

Regardless, based from what we've heard so far (and I fully grant that it's only one side of the story), at the very least it seems like the moderator could have taken a better approach then blanket kicking out the rest of the mod team and doing weird/amateurish things to the CSS. Like, at least they could have responded to the messages they were sending.

Would be really good hear the other side of the story before passing too much judgement, though. Don't want to start a witch hunt.

[–]redditgoogle 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

It can be helpful if they're there to at least respond and get their perspective on controversy, quickly answer qs, as well as enhance the appearance of the sub.

Why is it not possible for HTCVive PR to just create a user account and verify it with the mods of /r/Vive and flair that account as "Official".
You don't have to be a mod to do any of the things you said above.

[–]simland 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is really the answer. CitiesSkylines handles it this way to my knowledge and it works very well.

[–]polezo -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't have to be, but it makes it a lot easier to help out with the CSS, as well as potentially provide answers to Qs that come in through mod mail. Just give them access to config and mail when you make them mods and nothing else, it's easy. If they abuse the CSS for some type of unwarranted advertising, you can just take that permission away.

Reddit provides the tools to do this, so why not use them? You don't have to give them full permission, and it's easy to make it a non-corrupt relationship with the sub.

edit For those who are downvoting, why do you think this is a bad approach? Again, as I emphasize in my first reply, I think there's an argument for both sides, just wondering why others think giving them limited access as such is so bad.

[–]CsmicPerspective -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also a reasonable compromise! Still unsubbed due to the admins shit handling of the situation.

[–]linknewtab 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

I apologize if this isn't a good place to post this, or looks petty & retaliatory

After reading the reply from /u/500500 I actually think it is petty. And quite misleading, because you didn't mention the perks that were promised.

[–]MotherOfPus 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

I guess it's too bad it devolved into something unproductive. I have to agree with /u/500500 though. They have a corporate website. If they want to moderate a forum on their product, let them build one. I personally don't think reddit should be acting as a marketing engine, or be "well equipped to represent a brand" of any sort. Sorry.

[–]Kuratagi 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe you can talk and not destroy everything and start a bunch of new subreddits? /u/500500's answer seems disproportionate but you are not doing good for the community neither dividing it (and hidding an htc admin in the first place)

[–]FredrumHHH 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have to say that i would prefer a public discussion forum to be free from direct commercial influence.

[–]skyworxxDarkfield Alpha Developer 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

While not the most diplomatic solution, I also think that not having an HTC employee as a mod is a good thing. As stated by others, there are ways to communicate with the mod team directly, which seemed to be the main advantage everyone was selling this on.

[–]killzon32 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lots of missing info, I don't know what went on with the drama but I don't really care including hes admin he has rights to pick and choose mods.

If you don't like that then make your own sub.

[–]muchcharles 18ポイント19ポイント  (30子コメント)

Did HTC offer to pay you for the mod spot?

[–]Sirisian 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a moderator of a gaming sub I don't think a company should have control of it's own subreddit. Seems counterintuitive but it shields them from censoring accusations and protects the subreddit for when there's legitimate criticism. I know you probably think you're doing what's right, but I'd have to side with the original mod. Sometimes they have to bring in new moderators that can follow these kind of guidelines. Don't take it personally.

[–]Alar1k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally agree. How anyone can side with OP or the rest group of people wanting to put live corporate conflicts-of-interest on the mod team is bewildering to me.

[–]2flock 11ポイント12ポイント  (12子コメント)

I didn't know subs were under corporate control. This must be why r/WiiU is always using corporate style banners and promoting the latest releases.

[–]22quack 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's nice in a lot of circumstances though. /r/dirtgame has developers as moderators, and they're constantly commenting on posts about game improvement and such. A lot of the updates that went through were asked for by users :)

[–]muchcharles 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't need mod control to answer questions, or respond to game requests, come on.

[–]kontis 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I prefer to have official forums (like oculus.com) AND independent, unofficial, community-driven subreddit (like /r/oculus).

[–]Malone32 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

So htc/valve can take over that sub?

[–]the320x200 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

This sort of reaching out to fan sites it super common. Literally every fansite of significant size is in touch with the actual company they're tracking. I personally actively seek out these sort of connections for two fansites I help to admin. It's almost always a win-win situation to have open communication and doesn't mean that anyone is "under corporate control" just because they are in touch.

[–]Xyyz 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not about complete control. It's about influence. Giving moderators perks will give influence over those moderators, whether they themselves realise it or not. It's not a kind of influence that HTC should have.

[–]kontis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is not black and white issue. Oculus has a great connection with this subreddit but they do that with a much better taste than what HTC was trying to do.

[–]Zackafrios -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just realised how awesome Nintendo VR would be.

[–]Kuratagi 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, that's one side of the story and, frankly, I can't see anything wrong maintaining HTC moderators out. Indeed no one has told the community that one HTC admin was added to the team. Posts like this attracts empaty but only if this moderator start doing bad things for the community I will unsub it. Not for this post.

[–]Haczar 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

I understand you guys were in disagreement but you guys are moderators and hes the admin.... you dont do what the boss doesn't approve you went ahead and did something you knew he didn't agree with.... im not surprised with this result even if the admin was unfair, idiotic, or just plain crazy. I suggest becoming an admin of your own subreddit so you can handle your own page your way.

[–]TheFlyingBastard -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's not exactly what happened. 500500 just disappeared just as the HTC PR guy was going to help us get better content on /r/Vive. He wasn't actually there to disagree with us on anything. He had made some statements earlier about not becoming a corporate frontpage, which I can totally dig, but there was a cooperation starting and 500500 wasn't exactly specific about his boundaries.

[–]chileangod 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe the HTCPR guy is 500500 testing out his mod team loyalty.

[–]TheFlyingBastard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wouldn't that be fun. But I doubt it. If that was the case, he would not have indiscriminately removed all of us. Especially since I was actually the one questioning him becoming a mod.

[–]traveltrousers -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The boss"....? heh

Anyone can make any subreddit theirs if you're quick enough, that doesn't make you any more important than anyone else...

Perhaps the admin should have asked what the subscribers to the subreddit wanted rather than just take this action.... although admittedly the other mods should probably have done the same...

[–]andcore -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's such a dictatorship system tho...the admin has all the power to destroy the sub, and its user base can do absolutely nothing about it. There's not even a crumb of democracy or justice in this, I'm just disappointed this is the way things are.

[–]theGliby 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll still be checking out the subreddit, I really like it there. In the end he is the the admin, just because he did something questionable doesn't mean the content will be terrible.

[–]blindmansayswat 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's unfortunate.

"Having an HTC mod would ruin this sub! To get my point across, I've gone ahead and ruined this sub."

[–]deprecatedcoder 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It would make sense if it was HTC coming into /r/virtualreality or the like, but trying to be part of the team that moderates a sub on their own product seems pretty obvious.

[–]BOLL7708 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And with the limited options it might just be to add stickies or whatever, perhaps for official announcements :/ I mean, that would be fairly awesome to have.

Edit: After reading some, it seems admin rights are not so fine grained, with only two levels, so who knows.

[–]EricTboneJackson 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perfectly captured by one of those idioms that must sound nuts to non-native speakers: cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[–]Tyvak 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've always found that the Vive subreddit was rather unfriendly in comparison to the Oculus one because of their weird loyalty towards the Vive. I guess that would make sense given the context of the subreddit, but I've always enjoyed the fact that Oculus [the subreddit] seems to focus more on VR itself. Pretty much everything you need in terms of discussion is already here.

[–]ilikadapie 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

I've created /r/HTC_Vive in case you'd like a new home.

EDIT: OP, if you'd like to join the moderator team and continue the conversation with HTC, let me know.

[–]Xyyz 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Someone really wants those perks, huh.

[–]Pi-Guy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

hell yeah I'll sell my soul for a free t shirt

[–]sintheticreality -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Subbed!

[–]linknewtab -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's up with /r/htcvive ?

[–]ilikadapie 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Locked, probably by the same guy who took over /r/Vive

[–]linknewtab 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

HTC even tweeted about this sub a couple of days ago:

https://twitter.com/htcvive/status/643115158210920448

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[–]RIFT-VRZENITH 01 Developer[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

:(

[–]milligna 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how they were calling it the official Vive subreddit. They already considered that subreddit owned!

[–]Evil-Dragon -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've sent that twitter account a message linking them to this thread so they are aware of what has happened on that sub.

[–]bbqburner 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I say such official-ness can just be delegated to official/special flairs instead of having mod position. While it eases the communication to the official rep, that same communication can still be done outside of reddit (why there's a need to rely on reddit PM is beyond me).

However, /u/500500 nuking everyone is also kinda jumping the trigger too much where polite discourse, guidance (and reaching consensus on how the sub goes on forward), plus even removing HTC from mod position is a much better solution. This is a huge failure of leadership and scream immaturity to me.

[–]ShankatsuForte 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow what a fucking cock knocker.

[–]locallyunscene 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Unsubbed because that is bogus. Hopefully SteamVR can sate my Vive news fix.

[–]chileangod 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if we had facebook rep in the r/oculus mod team?

[–]locallyunscene 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't care TBH. I don't expect a fan sub/forum/site about a specific thing to be objective about that thing. Other people care and that is their prerogative.

[–]linknewtab -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not a fan of the dark theme of /r/SteamVR .

[–]AddictedToFishing 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Turn off the "Use subreddit style"?

[–]Draumbr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If HTC started censuring stuff, that would harm their name far more than anything any user could post. Nobody is that stupid.

And why not just decline their help if it's such a terrible thing? The unnecessary drama makes me think there is a deeper story here.

[–]shallowkal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like you got majorly fucking trolled!!!

[–]Yttrasil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kind of similar to what happened in r/Leagueoflegends and how riot got mods to sign NDAs for "perks" making the sub basically partial toward that party. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/30mk3j/league_reddit_mods_signed_nondisclosure/

And https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvCIeilw4UE for more coverage on that topic. Basically I think it is a good decision of that mod even though the way he went on about it is rather sad. Am glad that Palmer avoided getting such rights here as well, as it can easily turn into a slippery slope for all involved parties.

[–]Justos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think Htc NEEDS mod powers, but so what if they did? Mods of the subreddit would clearly be able to tell if they were doing harm and THEN it would be justified for all this drama.

This is a knee-jerk reaction by a horrible admin who got lucky with the subreddit name.

Is it really bad that they wanted to make r/vive their official hub and in the process created graphics ? You decline the supposed 'perks' and call it a day. This is a HUGE over-reaction.

[–]Unacceptable_Lemons -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I genuinely hate mods/admins like that. The job of a mod/admin of a public, community-supported sub (which is different from a sub created by someone as their own personal private forum for something) is to make the sub what the people want. Moves like this are just petty attempts at grabbing worthless fleeting power, like trying to be kind of a rotting tree stump.

While I can't say whether or not having an HTC guy as a mod would be good or not (you obviously wouldn't want them being able to control what people can and cannot say about the product), one guy unilaterally removing everyone else and trying to control an entire sub to which he seemingly contributes little (evidenced by absence, in addition to the fact that it is ultimately the users who supply most value in almost any sub) is a complete douche-move.

Glad I stayed here in /r/Oculus for general VR discussion rather than listening to all the people saying we should migrate to one of those subs for Vive discussion. The /r/SteamVR sub looks nice, but seems to be mostly dead, so while the users from /r/Vive with any sense may want to migrate there, I still see /r/Oculus as being the best VR sub for now. Also, what about /r/VirtualReality? How is the management there?

[–]kitfm -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lots of people here taking Reddit way too seriously. Who cares if HTC guy is a mod? It's not like the admin doesn't get final say in everything. HTCGuy isn't going to censor everything and lock the reddit down. Reddit's just a social media tool, too. Would've been nice to let the HTC guy pin new news and highlight interesting projects, etc.

[–]duckmurderer -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man, what is it with the top dogs in these smaller tech subs?

Some similar drama happened with the project ARA subreddit.

[–]itsrumsey -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just to make sure I understand. Your moderator explicitly told you to a void direct relationships to HTC to preserve independence and non bias, and as soon as he was gone a few days you decided to make HTC reps mods.

So, really, the point of this post is never trust you to have even a little power .

[–]erfrischungsgetraenk -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

misconstrue his use of the word "perks" ... assumed that meant their knowledge base, some free graphics, and, god forbid, some stickers.

https://www.reddit.com/help/useragreement#section_moderators

You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation or favor from third-parties.