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[–]MOTHERTRUCKINMUFFINSSoulless cynical jaded bitch. But I love cats. 343ポイント344ポイント345ポイント 14日前 (99子コメント)
Merope Gaunt brewed a love potion to make Tom Riddle Sr fall in love with her, she wanted a child with him.
[–]Trelahoez 75ポイント76ポイント77ポイント 14日前 (8子コメント)
Hahaha yeah I was about to say, Merope wanted that child.
[–]VeryFrankWelcomes his XX overlords. 66ポイント67ポイント68ポイント 14日前 (7子コメント)
Wanted the child or wanted a hook to keep Riddle with her?
[–]Trelahoez 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
Either way, she wasn't looking for an abortion
[–]ApolloRocketOfLove 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 13日前 (1子コメント)
Either way, she's kind of a rapist.
[–]Trelahoez 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 13日前 (0子コメント)
Haha no arguments, and the fact that love potions were a popular item is a pretty shitty commentary on wizard society
[–]communistslutblossom 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント 14日前 (3子コメント)
I think she wanted the child in that she would have seen the child as a piece of or a connection to Tom Sr. even after he left her.
[–]thestartinglineupsthe marvelous sugar baby 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
That's not a healthy reason to have a child though.
[–]pugglepartyadvanced 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Right but she wouldn't have aborted even if she had access to abortion, is what they're saying.
[–]GracieBalloonthat's Bitch Goddess to you 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Nothing about that relationship was healthy.
[–]Shaysdayslike a dirty Girl Scout 95ポイント96ポイント97ポイント 14日前* (69子コメント)
Wait- for real? (I mean, for canon?) Non-consensual sex seems like a pretty dark deep cut in Harry Potter. I vaguely remember something about magic not forcing anyone into anything they wouldn't do behavior-wise, but it's been years since I read the books.
[–]MOTHERTRUCKINMUFFINSSoulless cynical jaded bitch. But I love cats. 219ポイント220ポイント221ポイント 14日前 (30子コメント)
Yup, then she forgot that he wasn't really in love with her, so she stopped giving him the love potions when she got pregnant. He abandoned her and Tom Riddle Jr (not sure if this was before or after he was born).
[–]Shaysdayslike a dirty Girl Scout 138ポイント139ポイント140ポイント 14日前 (14子コメント)
Shit, if I was Tom Riddle, I'd be pissed off about magic too!
I mean- he's basically a child of magical roofies.
[–]SpicyRicin 90ポイント91ポイント92ポイント 14日前 (10子コメント)
Tom Riddle can't feel love because he was born of a love potion.
... Makes you wonder why they sell them at Weasely's Wizard Wheezes.
[–]Muzyna 246ポイント247ポイント248ポイント 14日前 (5子コメント)
That's totally false, I saw that theory in an askreddit thread some time ago and had to find a source, so here Rowling says it was just symbolic (TL;DR: "Ravleen: How much does the fact that Voldemort was conceived under a love potion have to do with his nonability to understand love, is it more symbolic? J.K. Rowling: It was a symbolic way of showing that he came from a loveless union – but of course, everything would have changed if Merope had survived and raised him herself and loved him.").
[–]SpicyRicin 52ポイント53ポイント54ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
Wow! Thank you! I'm not sure how I picked that up as canon, but thank you so much for correcting me.
Sorry, /u/Shaysdays!
[–]Shaysdayslike a dirty Girl Scout 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
No worries, sister!
[–]zenpooka 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
So what Merope needed was Planned Parenthood?
[–]LifeWisher17 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
More like, she needed some crazy suppressing pills.
[–]megmatthews20 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
And a less abusive family environment.
[–]Shaysdayslike a dirty Girl Scout 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 14日前* (0子コメント)
This comment made me think of this commercial that was tailor made for the Wizard Wheezes and how Voldemort must have felt, right down to the disfigurement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MhbULUd-KE
About something that is pretty horrible in application being sold at stores. (And obviously real world applications are not the same as magical charms in books, but the idea is similar.)
[–]Hey-its-Shayis buiding a lego tower 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
Shay's unite! :3
[–]Shaysdayslike a dirty Girl Scout 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
High Shay five!
[–]Hey-its-Shayis buiding a lego tower 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Apparently people named Shay like their usernames to rhyme.
[–]sammy0415 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
He abandoned them before. Merope gave birth to Tom, named him, gave him to the orphanage people, then died all within a day or two.
:(
[–]Dr_HQ 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
Well, she forgot or she hoped that he had fallen in love with her in the time they'd been together and she didn't need to give it to him any more
[–]zippityzeepow 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, I was always under the impression she hoped that he had grown to love her and stopped giving him the potion, not that she forgot.
[–]carlaacatbest at sex and puns 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I believe it was still before Tom Riddle Jr was born
[–]susire 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 14日前 (4子コメント)
I mean the Imperius is basically magic that can force anyone to do anything they wouldn't do, so love potions aren't that shocking.
[–]HumanMilkshakeMr. Purple Chest 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 14日前 (3子コメント)
The imperius curse seemed more like puppetry, while the love potion sounded more like mind control: you're forcing them to act in a certain way with the imperious curse, but the love potion is making you feel a certain way. After HHSNBN was defeated originally, wasn't the go-to defense of the Deatheaters that they were under the Imperius curse? Because if it was some kind of mind control (not puppetry), then you'd expect them to say "I no longer believe in what I believed and I feel bad about what I did"
[–]imaginaryenemy1 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
HHSNBN
I just spent an embarrassing amount of time trying to figure out what that meant.
It should be HWSNBN though ;)
[–]HumanMilkshakeMr. Purple Chest 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
My point remains, along with my typos.
[–]susire 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Well yes, of course if you were forced under the Imperius you wouldn't do anything you believe in but it's not about what you believe in what you do, it's what you actually do, which OP mentioned.
[–]tomato_waterhufflepuffs are particularly good finders 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
The Harry Potter books were about genocide and had literal slavery (i.e. house elves) in them. I put nothing past jk rowling.
[–]Hungover_Pilot 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 14日前 (16子コメント)
I read a cracked article earlier about how HP has some seriously messed up sexual undertones.
Granted, cracked, but it was still amusing
[–]JANE_MARPLE 42ポイント43ポイント44ポイント 14日前* (15子コメント)
Yeah, Dolores and the centaurs always made me feel icky. Couldn't celebrate the implied rape of a character, no matter how much I hate her.
edit: misspelled Dolores...the shame
[–]ToniNoirThe sleep never got better 56ポイント57ポイント58ポイント 14日前 (11子コメント)
I haven't read it in a long time but I thought it was more implied bodily harm and maybe death.
[–]JANE_MARPLE 85ポイント86ポイント87ポイント 14日前* (10子コメント)
Well it can't be death, because she's alive enough to be working at the ministry within the year.
But yeah, I always got a rapey vibe just because they're centaurs, and centaurs were always raping people in Greek mythology. But tbf, like everybody was raping everybody in Greek mythology (so they may not actually be associated like I thought). And I probably shouldn't judge a whole magical race by one culture's rumors, I guess. #wizardingprivilege
[–]nazgulkoopaMemes, Pizza, and Feminism 85ポイント86ポイント87ポイント 14日前 (4子コメント)
Can you imagine if Hogwarts had internet? Hermione would absolutely have created the hashtag #wizardingprivilege when she was on her whole S.P.E.W. thing.
Voldemort would have an "anti-SJW (Social Justice Wizard) blog" where he'd talk about how muggleborns are just "biologically different" with made up statistics about how they're "closer to muggles than wizards".
[–]red_nick 73ポイント74ポイント75ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
It's about ethics in spellcasting
[–]beatthechamp 42ポイント43ポイント44ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
#NotAllPurebloods
[–]howisaraven 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
As a pureblood, I lol'd.
[–]MuffinFairy 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Someone totally needs to turn this idea into a fanfic.
[–]u38cg 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
[–]ToniNoirThe sleep never got better 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I love how you ended that. I hadn't read about them in mythology. I had also totally forgotten she ends up at the ministry again.
[–]maybezany 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
I assumed you got that idea from the Starkid musical. They don't just imply it...
[–]JANE_MARPLE 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I've never seen that musical. I honestly think it's because I was obsessed with Hercules the animated movie, so I read a ton of Greek mythology around the same time I was first reading HP. Also, there's a scene with a centaur trying to rape Meg in Hercules.
[–]ineffable_mystery 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Didn't realize it was centaurs too, I just thought it was satyrs who forced themselves on others.
[–]helensis_ 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Even if it was just that she was tortured, it's still pretty dark. I can only think of those two eventualities that would leave her a blithering wreck :/
[–]EweAreAmazing 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
Okay, haven't read the books in a while...how was it implied that she was raped?
[–]firefawkes23 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 13日前 (0子コメント)
The centaurs carried her off (and centaurs have a reputation for rape in Greek mythology, so the association is there) and definitely did something bad to her, because she jumps when someone makes hoof noises, either later that book or in a later book. It's a relatively subtle implication, but it's possible to read it that way.
[–]badaboom 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 14日前 (5子コメント)
Also, you gotta know wizard pedophiles would have a black market of poly juice potion and kid hair going.
[–]ToniNoirThe sleep never got better 39ポイント40ポイント41ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
Is it horrible to think that's probably the least harmful of a lot of possible worse things such as the controlling curses and such? At least then it's just them playing with themselves. Unless they would go out as the child and try to hook up with other children. That's really fucked. It seems like it would either be not the worst thing or the absolute worst thing.
[–]totabbykawaiiDongs, bongs and pink thongs 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
You guys are making me think about all these different ways for the Harry Potter universe to be awful; my childhood will not stand for this!
[–]ToniNoirThe sleep never got better 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I know. This thread is making me die a little inside too.
[–]terracanta 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
They go into something similar in the game 'Wolf among us' based on Fables. They have a whole prostitution ring based on 'glamours'.
[–]ElvishLlamaWorkin' on my night cheese 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Nah, that's just Knockturn Alley.
[–]piratespitshowers only when hair starts to look greasy 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I think that's Fairy Odd-Parents magic rules ;)
[–]halfadash6 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
It's illegal to use magic to force people to change their behavior (I think that's what you're remembering), but it happened.
[–]Shaysdayslike a dirty Girl Scout 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
That may be it!
[–]CrazyCatLady108He entered her like the lottery 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 14日前 (3子コメント)
about magic not forcing anyone into anything
and that's why tom riddle turned out the way he did. he is a byproduct of magic misuse.
[–]babyd0lllYou're wearing sweatpants. It's Monday. 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Plus he was raised in an orphanage after his psychotic mother who was verbally and physically abused by her father and brother her entire life died.
[–]Shaysdayslike a dirty Girl Scout 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
Well, he turned out that way because JK wrote him that way, but it certainly does follow some internal logic in the story- though it's not like a child born of abuse has to be or is a villain.
Harry was pretty abused himself growing up, and he turned out pretty good.
[–]CrazyCatLady108He entered her like the lottery 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
i didn't mean abuse, i mean he 'was born bad' because of how he was made. heart of darkness and all that. i think the idea is that you can be good if you want to be good, despite your situation. voldy just never wanted to be good.
[–]carrotcakejam 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Just because you love someone does not necessarily mean that you want to have children with them or at all. My interpretation of birth control in wizarding society is that there wasn't/isn't any- wizards were (are?) such a small population that children are encouraged, or at least pregnancy is not discouraged. That paired with lack of birth control education for muggles in the 40's/50's (just comparatively to birth control education now) I think resulted unplanned pregnancy. I don't think it was planned, especially since Merope knew how much it would cost her (getting kicked out of her family, even though they were awful, they were all she had).
[–]Azertys 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
She conceived the child while married to Tom Riddle, living with him and under the illusion that he loved her. When she gave birth she was rejected by him and her family and homeless. She might have changed her mind.
[–]Median2 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
She basically roofied him.
[–]hermanbigot 72ポイント73ポイント74ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
Hi my name is Linda, my hobbies include imposing my morals on everyone and not reading the whole book.
[–]lemmikins87puts her bra on one leg at a time[S] 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Oh hai Linda
[–]imapleitoff 121ポイント122ポイント123ポイント 14日前 (49子コメント)
Ugh! I hate arguments like this. Just because someone is "pro-choice" does not mean they are anti-children! I don't want to go around and abort the fetus in every pregnant woman I see! That is not what choice is!
A woman in a stable relationship, or has a well paying job, and can afford to raise a child probably made the decision to have a child. A young woman, who was raped, or had her method of birth control fail, might not be in the same financial position! Hence why she was using birth control!
"Thank god your mother chose life!" Exactly! She chose to have me. She had every option available to her, and she wanted me. She didn't have a baby because some people don't think one option is not right for themselves, so is not right for everyone.
Sorry for the rant. But I hate this argument with every fiber of my being.
[–]sinisterFUEGOPizza Lawyer 44ポイント45ポイント46ポイント 14日前 (10子コメント)
I'm super duper pro choice, and 6 weeks pregnant. My choice is to carry this child, but I won't make the decision for anyone else. I've been the post abortion support. I've been the post birth support. Both time with a smile and a hug. I'm excited to be a mother but I'm also sure that others wouldn't be so I'd support their decision. In fact the last couple of weeks have highlighted why someone may not want to be pregnant. I haven't eaten anything other than crackers and jello in days!
[–]thisbikeisatardisadjunct professor of Headology 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 14日前 (7子コメント)
random unsolicited medical advice: multiple doses of B6 may be super helpful for nausea in pregnancy.
[–]sinisterFUEGOPizza Lawyer 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I'll try that! Thanks!
[–]sinisterFUEGOPizza Lawyer 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (5子コメント)
The majority of my nausea is from GERD and my pharmacist told me not to take my Nexium, resulting in vomiting and belching fire. I was actually in the OB office when I replied earlier and she told me I can take my Nexium so maybe I'll actually eat something.
[–]thisbikeisatardisadjunct professor of Headology 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (4子コメント)
oh, good. that just sounds awful.
[–]sinisterFUEGOPizza Lawyer 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (3子コメント)
It is! I totally get why some people don't want to do this. I barely want to. I wanted a child, and like many things, they are cheaper homemade. I'm probably only doing this once.
[–]thisbikeisatardisadjunct professor of Headology 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
I have been pregnant one time. Had an abortion at 4 weeks. Took a test as soon as my period was one week late, then couldn't get into Planned Parenthood for a week. The two weeks where I "felt pregnant" were a nightmare of nausea and painful boobs and feeling like I was infested with parasites and having nightmares about xenomorphs growing inside me. That's why I just got sterilized. My cousin just found out she is pregnant, though, and I am ecstatic to be an auntie. I think some of us are cut out for it and some of us aren't. Hopefully your stomach calms down once the acid is under control.
[–]sinisterFUEGOPizza Lawyer 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 13日前 (0子コメント)
I don't blame you one bit. I'm not honestly comfortable with pregnancy myself. My body is not my own anymore. I look at it as the cost of doing business. All this to say...I get it. I'm an aunt like 14 times over and a great aunt as many times over too and it is the best. The most rewarding role of my life so far.
[–]dancerjessLeslie Knope is my spirit animal 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 12日前 (0子コメント)
Yep, seriously (also A++ for "they are cheaper homemade"). I love the idea of having children, but pregnancy? Definitely nope.
[–]Elphinston 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Why are these ideas so difficult for people to understand? This sounds like common sense. Pro choice!
[–]imapleitoff 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I have been the support for both as well. Best thing is a hug and a smile.
[–]turkturkelton 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
And the pro-life people are always the first to complain when people have children they can't afford.
[–]lemmikins87puts her bra on one leg at a time[S] 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
So typically true
[–]WestCoastBestCoast01 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 13日前 (0子コメント)
Which they then circle back with "Well, you shouldn't have had sex!" So what they're saying is... poor people should have any sex.. riiiightt..
[–]Dr_HQ 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 14日前 (13子コメント)
I told my mother a few weeks ago that I wish I had been the baby she miscarried. Not all of us are grateful we were born.
(I know it was a disgusting thing to say, I've been in a lot of pain for a very long time. I apologized right away, but she told me I never have to apologize to her. She knows I wasn't trying to hurt her, I'm just desperate. I have really good parents.)
[–]howisaraven 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
My mother makes a point to tell me I was the baby meant to save the marriage, whenever the topic of how much she hates my father (they divorced when I was 6) comes up.
She says it so casually, as if not to hurt me, but simply to state a fact.
Parents are great. And on that note, I would've rather been born to a stray cat.
[–]Dr_HQ 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Tell her it isn't your fault she was stupid enough to think that would work.
[–]SkylineDriveAnxiety Girl! jumping to the worst conclusion in a single bound! 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
If you need someone to talk to please feel free to PM me.
[–]Dr_HQ 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Thanks but I've had suicidal depression for the majority of my life. I've been on half a dozen useless medications and had like 8 therapists (in my experience, they get angry if they can't help you and start blaming you for not trying). Talking to yet another well meaning stranger is not going to be the thing that helps
[–]elemonated 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Have a hug :/ hug
[–]imapleitoff 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (4子コメント)
I hope things stop being painful. I don't know your situation, but things can be pretty nice. Don't give up
[–]thisbikeisatardisadjunct professor of Headology 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
please come join us in /r/TrollAches. <3
[–]someonewhoisnoone87 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (19子コメント)
Some women use birth control to maintain weight, control acne, or have regular periods. It isn't just to prevent pregnancy.
[–]imapleitoff 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 14日前 (11子コメント)
I was using birth control as a broad term for all preventative measures. Diaphragm, condoms, IUD, patch, and morning after pill, and yes, "the pill" of which there are many. All of these methods have a margin of error, and a woman who does not want a child (at the moment or ever) would be smart to use some sort of birth control, be it hormonal or barrier.
[–]Samantahrene 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
True. But for a lot of young girls that really need it for the first reasons their parents say no because it'd be like permission to have sex. So that's shitty. Luckily my mom was not one of those people. Probably because I missed 2 days of school a month at 13. So she put me on it then.
[–]someonewhoisnoone87 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Luckily my mom and dad allowed me to take it at 16. My periods were super irregular. There were a couple out of the year that I couldn't go to school or work due to being bent over the toilet puking.
[–]MeggywenBisexually Lingual 342ポイント343ポイント344ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
I love this so much I could actually get off to it and still keep my bra on!
[–]sad_trash_babyDICK QUILT 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
oh my god I am so using this
[–]kvs109 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Beautifully put!
[–]Kevtro123"I like a healthy breeze round my privates, thanks." 136ポイント137ポイント138ポイント 14日前* (2子コメント)
It is an abomination that someone would use Harry Potter to express their icky views
[–]floppytittyjus' floppin' 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 13日前 (1子コメント)
Hi, I like your flair and reference to the Goblet of Fire.
[–]catzen789 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 14日前 (5子コメント)
I thought Merope Gaunt wanted to have a child? I may have to re-read now.
[–]Rosefae 69ポイント70ポイント71ポイント 14日前 (3子コメント)
IIRC she wanted to have a family with Tom Riddle Sr because she believed that after so much time together, he must love her for real by now. When it turned out that wasn't the case (because he left), it's entirely possible that her feelings towards the baby would have changed. Certainly she was in no condition to take care of him, even if she'd survived.
[–]Do_the_Africa_Face 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
She wanted the child, but when she stopped giving Riddle the love potion, he understandably (putting it mildy) ran away from her and their unborm child. She immediately went into a kind of broken hearted death spiral, becoming unable to care for herself and giving birth in extreme disparity. She gave the baby to the orphanage with the knowledge she couldn't care for it. She was dead within a few days. I always felt like it was slightly implied that she killed herself, but it was said she was sick and died from a broken heart.
[–]mypetlion3 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, that's where the post lost me.. Good intentions with the message and all, but not totally accurate with the HP references.
[–]betsybraddock 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Also, even if she had not chosen abortion having access to free/affordable health care probably would have resulted in a better outcome anyway. A PP doctor would have noticed her depression spiral and may have been able to provide her with a way to give birth in safer and healthier circumstances.
[–]PizzaPurse 69ポイント70ポイント71ポイント 14日前 (69子コメント)
Neville Longbottom would have stopped Voldemort?
[–]eatazombie 252ポイント253ポイント254ポイント 14日前 (60子コメント)
Neville also fit the discription of the prophecy. Voldemort had a choice in which baby to go after, and he chose Harry. Had Harry not been born, it would have been only Neville that fit the prophecy.
[–]Leagle_Egal 202ポイント203ポイント204ポイント 14日前 (19子コメント)
In fact, until the last book was released, there was a popular fan theory that Neville WAS the boy from the prophecy, and Dumbledore knew it. He held Harry up as a decoy to keep Neville safe until he came into his power.
[–]Fearghas 192ポイント193ポイント194ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
And when everyone thought potter was dead, Neville was the one who stood up and challenged voldemort.
[–]burgandybibliophileBe yourself. Unless you can be Laci Green. 62ポイント63ポイント64ポイント 14日前 (16子コメント)
I like this so much better.
[–]explodingplant 135ポイント136ポイント137ポイント 14日前 (15子コメント)
But I thought the whole point was that if Voldemort had heard the prophecy and said, "Eh, whatevs, I don't put much store in prophecies," nothing would have happened. But by acting on the prophecy as if it were true, he made it true. By being threatened by Harry, attacking him, and giving Harry's mom the opportunity to die for him, he created the circumstances in which Harry had the necessary protection to be a real threat to him. So the power isn't in the prophecy itself but in people's perceived value of the prophecy.
[–]tomato_paste 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 14日前 (12子コメント)
Much like gold.
[–]Arthemax 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント 14日前 (9子コメント)
More like diamonds. There's a very finite supply of gold, and gold has many properties that makes it useful in several industries despite its high price point. It is indeed a precious metal.
Diamonds, on the other hand, have been hyped to an inflated price even though there is global overproduction and they can be produced artificially from an abundant resource (carbon - literally growing on trees).
[–]cdrchandlerbabe with a dude-babe's name 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 14日前 (3子コメント)
There's a very finite supply of gold
Well yeah, now that the philosopher's stone is destroyed.
[–]tomato_paste 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
What? But... we need it for satellites and such!
[–]howisaraven 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 14日前 (3子コメント)
and they can be produced artificially from an abundant resource (carbon - literally growing on trees).
Fun fact: the diamond in my friend's engagement ring was artificially produced with ashes from trees burned in a forest fire.
[–]Samantahrene 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
Does that make it cheaper to buy? Or more expensive to produce?
[–]howisaraven 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I think it was still a pretty expensive process, since he specially ordered it. I'm not fully aware of the details. Sorry, I am of no use!
[–]eadon_rayne 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I've never looked into diamonds made from forest fire ashes, but I have looked into memorial diamonds (made from the ashes of a cremated person or animal), and they're more expensive than any mined diamond I've ever looked at. They're also numbered and laser inscribed and you can have imperfections added so they come out in fancy colors.
I've haven't done a serious 4Cs comparison, but I'm pretty sure that most of what they're selling is the "experience". It's such a "touching tribute" that'll "last forever" kind of thing. Seems to me like forest fire ashes would be a similar experience being sold.
That being said, it's probably easier (therefore cheaper) to create lots of small, low quality, industrial diamonds than it is so create higher quality, larger sized diamonds intended for jewelry, so I can understand the process for jewelers' diamonds being more expensive, but the actual MSRP just seems a bit excessive.
[–]tomato_paste 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Fun fact: gold in the New World cultures was seen as a religious artifact, with value only as it served in rituals and ceremonial attire.
Other things were deposit of value for trading purposes, but no, the Spaniards had to arrive and enslave everybody in search of that yellow metal.
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Karma!!
[–]MuffinFairy 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Do you think a prophecy takes into account its own existence in the future when prophecies are made? Like, are they reporting on a future that would still happen without them, or is the future they're showing seers one that's entirely contingent on their existence being the catalyst? If it's the latter, then it seems likely that the prophecy about Harry/Neville and Voldemort was the seer-magic's way of stopping Voldemort from rising to power unchallenged, so it created itself in order to give those involved the tools to stop him. So either magic is biased, or Voldemort's reign would have had really, really bad consequences for everyone.
Although, I guess most of them are probably never heard by the people involved, but then you have to wonder if those prophecies knew that when they were made, and if that's true, then why make themselves to begin with? So many questions... I wish JKR would write more books about different great witches and wizards where she fleshes out the magical theory and lore of the HP world. Fanfics try but they're hit or miss.
[–]Elaine_Benes_I stole the TV. Did some more time 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Also see the story of Oedipus, exact same deal
[–]borticus 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Shit man. Just... holy shit. The plots and machinations of wizards, man. Dumbledore let Harry (and his friends) stumble around uncovering all manner of deadly trouble because he knew Harry was one of HWSBN's horcruxes. And even if Harry died during one of his misadventures - sad though it be - it would ultimately mean one less resurrection for What's His Name.
Dumbledore is OG Hard Core, man.
[–]sarah-goldfarb 36ポイント37ポイント38ポイント 14日前 (34子コメント)
Damn, I read the books when I was a kid and I don't remember any of that. I guess I should do a re-read.
[–]sad_trash_babyDICK QUILT 111ポイント112ポイント113ポイント 14日前 (33子コメント)
You should ALWAYS re-read Harry Potter. I re-read it every summer.
[–]kochipoik 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 14日前 (4子コメント)
I should definitely do a re-read. I've read the first ones a bunch of times but haven't re-read the 5th, 6th or 7th ones (only read them once each).
I just realised I haven't seen EITHER of the last movies!
[–]Do_the_Africa_Face 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Those are the best ones!
[–]hells_belle1 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I'll be doing this as well
[–]TheNegligentMom 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Sound advice for everyone!
[–]PizzaPurse 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Ahh, thank you. :)
[–]onekrazykat 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
And that is how Lord Voldemort would have won. There are no known ties between Voldemort and the Longbottoms. No upper level Death Eater would have begged Voldemort to spare either of the Longbottoms. The sacrifice wouldn't have occured. The curse wouldn't have rebounded. Neville would be dead. No more Boy Who Lived.
[–]eatazombie 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 13日前 (1子コメント)
But did Lily's sacrifice ONLY work because Voldemort wasn't going to kill her? I mean, we didn't even have that piece of the puzzle til book 7, and the sacrifice still made sense because she still died trying to save Harry.
[–]Jay-whatchulookinat 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Snape wasn't in love with Neville's mom, and Lily only had the opportunity to sacrifice herself for Harry because Snape begged Voldy to spare her. Had Neville been selected over Harry he would have died just like any of Voldemort's other victims.
[–]kandoras 38ポイント39ポイント40ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Yep
[–]lemmikins87puts her bra on one leg at a time[S] 270ポイント271ポイント272ポイント 14日前 (5子コメント)
Oh... Oh my sweet summer child...
[–]yourmothersdaughter 62ポイント63ポイント64ポイント 14日前 (4子コメント)
You flair made me imagine you wearily donning your bra in preparation for schooling the above poster on the intricacies of Harry Potter prophecies.
[–]noysAsk me about bras 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
Might be a reference to this https://youtu.be/EUvZsnD7GEw
[–]GatewayKeeperwhiskey and books and whiskey 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Holy cow that was hilarious thanks for sharing.
[–]thisbikeisatardisadjunct professor of Headology 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I love this woman.
[–]lemmikins87puts her bra on one leg at a time[S] 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Lol
[–]HipHoboHarold 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 14日前 (23子コメント)
I always see people use similar logic, and I cant help but wonder if they realize how easy it is to turn around. Let say Harry isnt born and cant stop him. But what if Voldemort was also born? Then theres no one that needs to be stopped. No one gets hurt. Problem solved.
[–]SmolderingDesigns 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 14日前 (21子コメント)
That's exactly what I was thinking. If Voldemort's mom had had an abortion then wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. See? Abortions are good and should be mandatory.
[–]SallySubterfugeDon't Hate - Elevate 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 14日前* (2子コメント)
Orrrr... let's take this philosophy, flip it, and project it onto real life (although reality is a bit of a stumbling block for the fetus worshipers):
What if Hitler's mom had an abortion? Huh? HUH?
Gotch'a crazy anti-choice lady.
PS: Abort your hat. It is fug.
[–]ElvishLlamaWorkin' on my night cheese 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Reminds me of this chain mail:
If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis; would you recommend that she have an abortion?
Then it says smugly:
Oh, if you said yes, you just killed Beethoven.
[–]chaos386the puppehbutt 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 13日前 (0子コメント)
But if Hitler wasn't born, then who would have killed Hitler?!
[–]HipHoboHarold 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 14日前 (17子コメント)
should be mandatory
Ummm. Well. Not quite what I meant. But I guess we could go that route.
[–]damsel84 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
In the wise words of either Kang or Kodos: abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
[–]Dr_HQ 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
It was a joke. This lady is trying to say that good people might be aborted, therefore there should be zero abortions.
By that exact same reasoning, the fact that there are bad people who weren't aborted means every pregnancy should be aborted
[–]SmolderingDesigns 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Good god, thank you for understanding. I didn't know a sarcasm tag was needed here.... no, I don't support mandatory abortion.
[–]SmolderingDesigns 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 14日前 (12子コメント)
Apparently a sarcasm tag is needed here. Do people really think I support mandatory abortion....?
[–]howisaraven 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 14日前 (9子コメント)
Have you been to /r/childfree? Some of those people are cray, so it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility.
[–]SmolderingDesigns 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 14日前 (8子コメント)
I have and even though I don't subscribe to it, I also don't jump on the hate bandwagon. As a childfree woman, I needed a place to vent when I was going through the process of getting my family and friends to understand that I don't want kids. Some of those people in r/childfree are extreme, yes, just like some of the people in this sub are extreme. Don't join to circle jerk, that sub was a life saver when my own family was turning their backs on me for my own reproductive choices.
[–]howisaraven 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14日前 (7子コメント)
I specified only some of the people there are crazy and hold insane beliefs like "the world has enough people". I didn't join any circle jerk.
[–]PotzBlitz 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
It is just the exact equivalent to what the lady in the picture tried to say - that is probably what /u/SmolderingDesigns tried to show.
[–]alyTemporalAnom 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
The only thing I don't like about this argument is that subtle implication that the well-to-do white woman shouldn't have an abortion. Like, it's okay if you're underprivileged and can't afford the child, but if you're rich and white, you don't have any excuses.
That's crap. If the well-off white lady doesn't want the baby, it's not fair to her or the baby to imply that she has less of a right to terminate the pregnancy than someone in a worse financial situation.
[–]MrsJetson 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I think that's a good point, but it wasn't the vibe I necessarily got. More that it's a bit moot to hypothesize over Lily's abortion because, given the circumstances, she might not be as likely to consider one as Merope. Nowhere is it suggested that she might not have wanted her child, and doing so simply undercuts pro-choice arguments. But discussing Merope's situation in this context makes more sense.
I'm with you, though -- just because she could technically afford to have a child doesn't mean she should be obligated to do so and we shouldn't expect it.
[–]pamplemoussmy favorite little jewy this side of st. louis 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Well, the "in a loving relationship/starting a family part" is pretty important; she wanted a family.
[–]coffeevodkacupcakesFormer mean girl. Full time bitch. 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I goddamn love this sub.
[–]fruitjerky 33ポイント34ポイント35ポイント 14日前 (21子コメント)
I'm guessing that's Voldemort's mom...? I haven't read the books.
[–]milkradio(ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧*:・゚✧ 99ポイント100ポイント101ポイント 14日前 (13子コメント)
It's such a shame they cut out her story from the movies. I get that they don't have time to include everything from the books, but Half-Blood Prince had a ton of interesting backstory for Voldemort and I was pretty disappointed by how little of it was shown in the movie.
[–]babyd0lllYou're wearing sweatpants. It's Monday. 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 14日前 (6子コメント)
I think this bothers me more than anything else they left out of the movies.
[–]Zamaza 47ポイント48ポイント49ポイント 14日前 (5子コメント)
Dumbledore yelling in the goblet of fire could have been left out :(
[–]megmatthews20 63ポイント64ポイント65ポイント 14日前 (4子コメント)
"DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME INTO THE GOBLET OF FIRE!" Dumbledore asked calmly, strangling the life from poor Harry.
[–]CJ_Gunshas a duderus 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 14日前 (3子コメント)
It makes sense, Michael Gambon took the last corner of the Top Gear track so hard it caused the car to roll enough so that it was on just the right two wheels. (Hence that corner being named after him.)
He's intense. DIDJAPUTERNAMINDAHGOBLOFYYA?!
[–]megmatthews20 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
And he never read a single one of the books.
Great actor though. Doesn't get to do theater anymore because he has memory problems now. :/
[–]CJ_Gunshas a duderus 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
Yep. I guess that's part of the creative license allowed in adaptation.
Speaking about parts left out, I really wish they would have done extended editions of the films like LotR for home release. You probably still couldn't fit everything in, but at least some of the good parts that were cut.
[–]megmatthews20 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
They do add deleted scenes when they play them on tv sometimes. But I definitely agree that extended editions would have been great! Especially Order of the Phoenix!
[–]MuffinFairy 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 14日前* (0子コメント)
The HBP movie was the biggest disappointment, to me, for that reason. They cut out so much amazing back story and stuck a lot of teenage drama and Helena Bonham Carter inexplicably attacking The Burrow in its place.
[–]purplepeach 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 14日前 (3子コメント)
Voldemort's backstory would make an interesting and probably heartbreaking movie.
[–]TheNegligentMom 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
Creepy too. Leading two small children into the caves to permanently traumatize them?
[–]purplepeach 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
We could even have a reasonably decent movie by just expanding on what we already know about Voldemort. We have a downtrodden woman looking to escape a horrible upbringing. She uses less than honest means to do so which backfires. Tom is born and we see him growing up and terrifying children in the orphanage. Then we see some of his Hogwarts years, including the murders of his father, grandparents, and Uncle. After that Borgin and Burkes? We can see how he gains followers among his classmates, some of his rise to power, his reception of the prophecy and end with his foray into Godric's Hollow and the deaths of the Potters. After that, it's Harry's story.
[–]SaveFerris211 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I never knew how much I wanted this until RIGHT NOW.
[–]CloudyWithRain 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
Yep, Merope was Tom Riddle's (Voldemort's) mammy.
[–]fruitjerky 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Yay for guessing!
[–]piratespitshowers only when hair starts to look greasy 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 14日前 (4子コメント)
You should. There's so much more to the story to discover. I am actually envious of those who haven't read them yet. I wish I could re-read them for the first time.
[–]SaveFerris211 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (3子コメント)
Sometimes I have that same wish, but I read them as they were coming out, and I remember the anticipation of waiting for the new books, the excitement of going to the midnight release parties, coming home with the new book and staying up until 4am and FORCING myself to go to sleep and save some of the book for the next day, finishing the new one and knowing you'd have to wait a year (at least) for another....I feel like series like this don't come along very often, and I'm grateful that I got to be caught up in the whirlwind, because I think it was a very cool and unique experience. This kind of hype happens often with movies, and even video games, but for a book to have this kind of widespread excitement was REALLY cool.
[–]piratespitshowers only when hair starts to look greasy 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
Yeah, I definitely agree in that I'm glad I read them when I did. I was the same age as the characters and "grew up" with them as the books came out. Reading the 7th book on the day it came out until the sun came up the next day is a great HP memory for me.
That being said, there was nothing like that page turning excitement from not knowing what would happen next. Glad I also read the books before the movies, guess it wouldn't be the same for movie-watchers turned to book-readers. If that makes sense?
[–]SaveFerris211 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
Yeah I'm a die-hard book-to-movie puritan, in that I refuse to see a movie adaptation until I've read the book first (if I have any interest in reading the book, that is.) The movie is never as good, because the time they have to spend is so limited, whereas in a book the author can take as long as they damn well please to explain and expound. Especially in the case of HP, where there's a lot of background that's not explicitly necessary for the story, so it's easy to drop in favor of the main plot, but it adds so much richness that just ends up missing in the adaptation.
[–]kali_is_my_copilot 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
This made me so gleeful that I think I just blacked out a little bit.
[–]lemmikins87puts her bra on one leg at a time[S] 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
This ^
This is an extremely valid point
[–]MarzipanStarcisAWESOME 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 14日前 (1子コメント)
Alright, who thought it'd be funny to cast false memory charms onto a pro-lifer?
+10 points
[–]Veronica1993vaginas at aggressively 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I laugh every time. Something about the shutdown being more irritated that she didn't read the whole damn series than the fact that she is trying to use a children's book and fictional child to argue against abortion just makes that image the funniest thing on earth to me. Always repost.
[–]Dendromicon 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 14日前 (2子コメント)
Somebody should x-post this to r/harrypotter who isn't on mobile.
[–]meglofaceSoftcup & Broad City Advocate 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I'm pretty sure I've seen it there multiple times before :)
[–]DarthFarious 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
It was posted therer over 2 yrs ago
[–]Mnp3232 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Good God this is so perfect... I don't have the right vocabulary to accurately describe how much I love this
[–]pdxpythonthe beaver state 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
I bet abortions are a lot easier in the wizarding world though. You just like wave your wand and say 'fetus deletus' or something and it's gone, and if you fuck it up you just turn into a chicken or something. There's probably someone doing them in an abandoned dungeon at Hogwarts for 10 galleons a pop.
[–]brockisampson 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14日前 (0子コメント)
Fucken' casual.
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