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[–]AnarchoHeathenThe New One 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

As you can tell there are strong opinions on the subject, and the search function could have answered this question quite thoroughly.

However since you're here...

The idea has been kicked around, both academically and here on the sub, that our ancestors may have used mind altering substances in some rituals. A basic knowledge of religions contemporary to the elder heathen ways, shows that the use of substances such as mushrooms was not uncommon. However there remains no evidence that the elder heathens did so.

I maintain that their can be a place for Marijuana (also "ganja"? Really? Is this middle school?) or psilocybin, or even DMT, in heathen ritualistic practice. However if you are using any of these substances recreationally they cease to be ritualistic in nature, and thus the experience ceases to have any communal value whatsoever. The only person who should be using such a substance, in a religious context, is the Spaekona. That person should only be using it in a ritual sense, and only to benefit the community. To do otherwise would be to rob the community of the insight gained and cheapen the thing.

That said you don't need permission to smoke weed. You're a grown-up, or at least old enough to find a way to do what you want, don't seek out justification just own it and be you, it'll be easier that way.

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ganja is a bit childish, cannabis is its true English word, marijuana was brought up from Mexico in the early 20th century by the timber industry to demonize it in their illegalization? Campaign.

[–]AnarchoHeathenThe New One 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

And the movie reefer madness is a classic

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We watched it ironically in film club for the themed week discussion of propaganda

[–]Strid -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

A basic knowledge of religions contemporary to the elder heathen ways, shows that the use of substances such as mushrooms was not uncommon.

Viking berserkers did NOT use mushrooms to get into a rage, and why would they need to? Saxo equates eating mushrooms to eating bark, something you'd only do if you were on the brink of starvation.

[–]permissionjunkie 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did he say anything about viking berserkers? No. Amanita muscaria has grown in Europe forever. To think that it was never used is pretty ignorant. Besides the fact that we have historical sources attesting to its use.

[–]metalheadeBeach Heathen 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your username made me lol

[–]permissionjunkie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

i read that guys attention seeking rants all the time and have never found them appropriate or helpful. figured i should start speaking up and if i can piss him off with just my username: pure bliss.

[–]AnarchoHeathenThe New One 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vikings are also not a contemporary religion, they are THE religious. Mind altering substances are common to most ancient religions, especially ones in a similar state of social, political, and religious development. I also stated, quite clearly that there was no evidence for heathens using substances.

[–]metalheadeBeach Heathen 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah most of the people in this religion are fairly socially conservative, at least around these parts. I personally don't care, and I smoke in my free time, so I don't look upon it like some infernal horrible trashy thing like some other voices around here.

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm from a very conservative bible belt area but the majority I've met have been fairly liberal. It's weird to see small communities differ geographically

[–]metalheadeBeach Heathen 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I dunno. This thread has a weird dynamic sometimes. Heathens as a rule are probably more liberal than Bible Belt Christians, but oh do we ever love being blunt. And when you're blunt about something you don't know much about, you just look like an idiot.

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I definitely get that feel here, its kind of nice not to be able to hide behind double words so to speak

[–]metalheadeBeach Heathen 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well yeah the directness is nice, but sometimes I get the feeling that some people just get off on being a dick.

[–]FusRoDuuhNot Cool Enough for Funny Flair 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I myself don't really care until someone uses religious practices as an excuse to get high. Sure, drinking is pretty well noted in heathenry, but so is wine in Christianity.

When it gets to be like how many (though certainly not all) people have converted to Rastafarianism for the sole purpose of having a "religious freedom" to smoke pot, then its a problem. Its cheapening of the religion.

Other than that, keep any and all illegal activities off my lawn and I don't care.

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been very careful to insure that the two don't start to fuel each other and become interdependent. It really comes down to it just being two things pretty close to my character and I don't know how one community (heathens) will react to it.

[–]permissionjunkie 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have been lurking here for a long time and simply had to make an account to get in on this shitshow. OP the heathens I know and interact with are nothing like some members of this board. We will smoke often at blot or after. We don’t do it as a part of our faith we do it as part of being grown ass adults who can make their own decisions.

[–]AnarchoHeathenThe New One 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that last bit, is the bit no one can talk shit about. To quote "Do you boo."

[–]MediumSizedDipper 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

This seems like a question for whoever is organizing the moot you want to attend, or the kindred you want to join. Also: while a lot of heathens drink alcohol at events, there are plenty of alcohols that don't use hops. Mead, for instance....

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm a huge mead/honey wine fan, any wine really. The farm I work started keeping bees and I am really looking forward to taking a crack at mead making

[–]MediumSizedDipper 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mead is so fun to make! There's lots of great recipes online, I knew a woman who made peach mead once and it was divine.

[–]m0rgaine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I smoke marijuana, mostly for medical use. Most people in my state don't seem to mind when I tell them it's for my chronic pain and nausea, but some do (medical marijuana is legal here). I use it responsibly so I don't drive under the influence or around children or anything like that. I've never felt the need to get high before praying or making offerings or going to a public place. I keep it personal. So I don't really think it's anyone else's business. If they ask me about it, I'll be honest, but I'm likely not going to go out of my way to inform people about it. The way I see it, if a potential friend or kindred has a huge problem with it, that's a serious indication that they're inflexible and narrow-minded, and therefore not someone that I want to be associated with.

[–]PinkJazzTrancers 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you are looking for /r/Rastafari

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I laughed heartily when I saw this, knew it was coming at some point

[–]Gubben_Bill 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not sure how the answer to your question spiraled down to someone talking about od'ing on 400 tons of weed, just so they can be technically correct (if you drink too much water you can also die). As long as your not talking about passing a bong instead of a horn during a blot. If it's for the social time before or after... just ask. Besides, by the time a kindred has you over for a blot, you should know their views on smoking weed. Let them know your allergies to hops and maybe even bring some mead with you (chances are they will have mead) . Normally after the blot, before or after the meal is when we tend to smoke pipes or cigars, this would be a good time to request smoking at a future event. Don't bring it on the hosts property without prior permission.

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the response, this was super informative, I will definitely be open and upfront with any kindred considering me, and any host having me.

[–]VirtuallyJon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ultimately how you choose to worship is up to you. If you are part of a kindred that are opposed to such things, then be respectful and don't light up at gatherings etc. However, how you choose to worship on your own time is up to you. This is a reconstructed religion that has next to ZERO primary sources. Most of those "primary" ones come from post-chrisitanizion so we have to view them through that filter. We do the best we can.

[–]alegladThe Grouchy One -4ポイント-3ポイント  (96子コメント)

Stoners are always trying to justify their drug habit. It really pisses me off when they hide behind religion to do it, particularly mine. Seriously, fuck off.

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (95子コメント)

Whoa, I made it very clear that my faith and my "drug habit" are separate parts of my life, and was looking to see what kind of reception I would receive from others in regards to something that has been demonized for far too long. Not very unlike asatru or any other non-Christian faith in this country. I get a strong sense you're associating an herb used for medicine across the country to heroin or meth. I know you're the grumpy one but it seems you're uneducated when it comes to cannabis and it's general user

[–]marcelmiranda<Funny flair> 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Opinion from another stoner: Don't care about to what he's saying. He may have his thoughts about it, but neither him nor anyone here can say what you can do or what you can't. You can honor the Gods the way you like and it's something between you and them. If they will accept your offerings or not, it is not up to us to say. It's aaall between you and them.

I don't use cannabis on the rituals because my kindred is against it and, as long as I am not breaking any rules or annoying anyone, I will continue to do what I want.

[–]FusRoDuuhNot Cool Enough for Funny Flair 2ポイント3ポイント  (14子コメント)

Ok, but you were looking to see how well the reception is of this. Would you prefer he change his opinion so you can be coddled or are you truly trying to find how your practices fit in the heathen mind set?

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

He definitely gave a very strong reaction, and in that sense I have no qualms. I do not care for him saying in any way or shape that I'm using my faith as an excuse to do hard drugs. If he thinks I'm doing the equivalent of shooting black tar heroin in my veins, that backwards view is also fine, what is not fine is right out of the gate accusing me of saying I'm into asatru and heathenry simply to justify my substance use.

[–]MediumSizedDipper 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

His reaction was probably due to the fact that you explicitly state that you "openly practice/read/commune while under the influence of ganja", and imply that the usage of your drug of choice is key to the way that you practice your faith. Tying marijuana and heathenry together in this way does seem as if you're trying to continue your drug usage under the guise of it being a part of your heathen faith, which as far as I know has no historical precedent.

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can see that, but I also stated in a lower comment that I make sure they don't feed each other so to speak. I'll smoke, go for a hike and sit down and decide to crack my copy of elves wights and trolls, these two things overlap in my life. I don't smoke to get high so I can then practice, they just some times happen together

[–]MediumSizedDipper 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your initial post didn't make that clear, and unfortunately some of us have had experiences with people trying to use our faith as a 'shield' against those who would condemn them for their drug usage. As you can tell from aleglad's reaction, it is not appreciated. I'll stand by my statement that the ultimate decision is in the hands of whoever is hosting the event you will be at, or the kindred you are wanting to join.

[–]metalheadeBeach Heathen 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'll just tell you that's how he reacts every time. I wouldn't take it too personally.

[–]KhalBeorn[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not, especially after enjoying his podcast

[–]alegladThe Grouchy One -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

And it's the welcome every permission seeking junkie is going to get every single time. I will make good and damn sure they do not feel welcome here.