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[–]parrhesiaJoe 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Didn't Stanley Kubrick debunk this guy half a century ago? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film)

[–]Consloe_Prot 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

2001 was shot on 65mm film. This guy is talking about analog video. Film and video are two totally different technologies.

[–]parrhesiaJoe 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can transfer films. You lose resolution, but it's not that hard. The originals aren't available to inspect.

[–]Consloe_Prot 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

This was covered in the video.

[–]parrhesiaJoe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

He even goes through the ways he could do it in the film... but his argument is... well, that's just sooo much film. You'd need a really big reel, etc. This was a billion dollar program... a hundred times what Kubrick spent on 2001. Where are the originals?

[–]Consloe_Prot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The "sooo much film" argument is not about it being too much film, but it's about getting it all in one take. The idea being that you wouldn't want to see cuts or splices in the film. Another part of his argument is that it doesn't look like film. Images shot on film, whether transferred to video or not, have certain characteristics such as grain and other imperfections that are impossible to avoid. Even the "debunking" video posted by Jarrah White admits that it was not shot on film.

[–]tigereyeearth 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

this video is super lame. moon landings super fake. just cause some people can fly up in the air does not mean they can fly all the way to the moon.

[–]parrhesiaJoe 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

But we've been 1% of the way there... the other 99% must be a piece of cake. We could probably do it on the first try, amazingly... but we'd probably lose the telemetry data... and the films... and the specs for most of the vehicles... and the space suits... And then we'd probably not go back for half a century or more because that super makes tons of sense.

[–]tigereyeearth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

if you can jump you can fly. that's my motto.

[–]Rockran 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

We could probably do it on the first try, amazingly...

Apollo 11 wasn't their first flight

It's called Apollo 11 for a really good reason, try figure out what that reason might be.

[–]metabolix 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You again....

[–]tigereyeearth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

hiya

[–]Rockran 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Likewise.

But am I wrong?

NASA didn't just go from LEO to the moon in a single mission, they started easy and went a little further, bit by bit, testing and tweaking till they managed to first orbit the moon with Apollo 8, to landing with Apollos 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17.

[–]BigLebowskiBot -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole.

[–]parrhesiaJoe -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Landing and taking off was a first, and that is the thing we'd never done... land on something and take off... quite a feat.

[–]Rockran 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You make it sound like landing and NOT taking off was ever going to be a plan.

Prior to Apollo 8, they'd never orbited the moon, quite a feat... Right? But that's the nature of taking things in steps, you do something you'd never done before each time.

[–]parrhesiaJoe 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes... and if something went wrong on one of those steps, I would not have expected the government to just give up. I would expect them to fake it.

IF, however, they really wanted to convince people with something that REALLY couldn't have been faked, it would have been SOOOO easy. Every film faker in the world knows that it is 1000 times harder to fake videos from two different angles, and faking two people filming each other without computers is downright impossible in 1969, but they could have done it so easily. Also, they could just show us the originals, and we could tell that they were authentic... but they are lost.

[–]Vitalogy0107 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heh, just like they lost all of the WTC debris. Like they lost JFK's brain. Tons of crucial evidence happens to go missing.

[–]Rockran [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I would not have expected the government to just give up. I would expect them to fake it.

Why wouldn't they just... I dunno, fix the problem and try again?

faking two people filming each other without computers is downright impossible in 1969

I don't follow.

If the astronauts used strings to simulate low gravity on the moon, why would this be 1000x harder to fake if they used two different camera angles?

Also, they could just show us the originals, and we could tell that they were authentic

What would be a sign of authenticity versus forgery?

[–]metabolix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

yep, its the same kind of deception as 9/11. The cognitive disonance is big.

[–]zeropoint357 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How does he explain the SR71 having computer systems and technology onboard that didn't supposedly exist in the early sixties. I guess in his opinion, the only tech available to government is that which is widely known about by fucking everybody on the planet. Derp beyond words.

[–]tigereyeearth -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

we didn't go to the moon because it's not an object as we perceive it to be.

also we didn't go to the moon because we didn't.

also did you see those multiple light sources in this pics?

also space shuttle explosion - passengers were not on it - they exited out back before take off.

[–]Rockran [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

also we didn't go to the moon because we didn't.

What an amazingly well thought out argument.

also did you see those multiple light sources in this pics?

Which pic?

[–]tigereyeearth 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

how come they need a launch device (rocket) to leave earth but not to leave moon. and don;t say cause there is less gravity - that's not an explanation - there's enough gravity to keep them all f rom floating away while they visited. (even though the whole thing is bs)

[–]BabyBunt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

and don;t say cause there is less gravity - that's not an explanation

Given that Earth's atmosphere has one-hundred-thousand-quadrillion more molecules per cubic centimeter than the atmosphere on the moon; I would implore you to pick a new subject for exploring the correlational biways of gravimetric causation in juxtaposition to your logical derailment from synaptical rhetoric.

[–]Rockran [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They did use a rocket to leave the moon.

[–]tubefreak [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This video on wires used to bounce is nice to see debunked.

https://youtu.be/wdMvQTNLaUE

[–]facereplacer3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This guy is a smug douche. Plus, I kinda don't care whether they were faked or not. Might they have been? Sure. Government lies all the time. Will it change anything? Probably not. This guy will still be a smug douche though.

[–]thinkmorebetterer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't for a second believe the moon landing was faked, but it's always struck me that he's overlooked a very simple scenario by which the slow motion effect could have been achieved.

Common video tape systems at the time (including Ampex's Quad 2" tape) were capable of variable speed playback. For Apollo 11 at the very least this could have been feasible as the base framerate of the video was only 10fps which would have been easy to achieve from a slowed 30fps recording.

For later missions it may have been more difficult.

[–]Thevents [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

First he claims he didn't have the technology. Then at the end it pretty much sounds like he is saying they could've used film, but there would have been technical challenges, and there would have been lots of ways to look at the original film to see that it was fake.

That makes the fact that NASA lost the original footage even more interesting.

[–]jacks1000 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I am NOT saying that the Moon Landings were faked, but this video has been thoroughly debunked already.

[–]Rockran -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Except it hasn't.

[–]jacks1000 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

But it has.

[–]Rockran -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

That was your cue to link to jarrahs response video, where I would then link to Collins re:jarrahs video.

Rather than just going back and forth with nah-ahs and yeah-ahs.

[–]jacks1000 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw the response to Jarrah's video, and it proved nothing as well. Collins doesn't have a case.

[–]SlumberMachine 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you guys just post the videos and let others decide?

[–]Consloe_Prot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here is Jarrah White's response to Collins.

And here is the response to Jarrah.

[–]pleaseberight 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are far better resources than this video that demontrate the validity of the moon landings in more tangible ways.

That being said, much like flat-Earthers, many "moon truthers" primarily exist to discredit any kind of critical discussion that takes place here and make it appear as though conspiracy theorists are blindly anti-science.