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          Ever since the election last year, conservatives have been whining about socialists, fascists, tyranny, and any other scary-sounding word they can think of.  They somehow think that our shitty little attempt at a real universal health care system with a neutered public option (maybe...in some places...for some people) is comparable to the mass executions at Dachau.  

          Even worse, the media seems all to happy to report on this as if it's some sort of valid criticism from a legitimate political party.  Barack Obama, "moderates", and the talking heads all scream about "BIPARTISANSHIP!" as if that's really the only thing that matters and worth achieving.
       
          It's time to start calling out conservatives for what they are: Anarchists.

         Anarchism is the belief that no government should exist because it can only bring about evil, oppression, tyranny, ineffectiveness, etc.  Call it a "Free-market Solution to Governance - Extra Liberty Edition."  The code words are all there.  Grover Norquist, Ronald Reagan, etc have all said as much: the government IS the problem so get rid of it and let the invisible hand take over.  
       
         As demonstrated the last eight years, the conservative style of governance is basically to screw everything up so badly that it ends up undermining the entire notion of government.  Thomas Frank describes these efforts in his book "The Wrecking Crew."  The people they place in leadership positions usually don't believe the organizations they are leading (such as John Bolton and the UN).  

         This strategy has a two-pronged effect, the first of which is to actively dismantle good government by turning successful programs (like FEMA in the 90's) into four-letter words.  
       
         The second effect comes after they finally screw things up so bad, the people finally kick their asses to the curb.  Now that Democrats and progressives control government, all they have to do is yell "FEMA" and the like and it conjures up incompetence and ineffectiveness in people's minds.  

         And don't count on the media to point out the disconnect between progressive governance and conservative "governance."  Since it's government, it's bureaucracy; since it's bureaucracy, it's bad. Four legs good, two legs bad.  They've actually managed to hamstring ANY effort to rebuild government because they've basically planted the idea in everyone's head that government just doesn't work.
       
         It's kind of like you have two mechanics designing a car: one that believes cars are a good thing and will improve the quality of life for people and another that uses a horse and buggy and believes cars to be the devil.  Allowing the horse and buggy "mechanic" any input over the design of the components would be basically allowing him the opportunity to sabotage the car to only prove his later point: that cars don't work.  A "bipartisan" solution produces square wheels and everyone watches as the car clunks along into a spectacular crash into a ditch.  The horse and buggy "mechanic" then proudly steps out of the wreck and says "I told you it wouldn't work, but you better leave me in charge of designing cars 'cause THAT guy actually thinks they could work."  
     
         Bipartisanship is well and good but only when it happens with an opposition party that actually has an interest in producing a good outcome.  To treat the modern-day Republican party and their "ideas" as legitimate and worthy of any sort of attention or validation is a laughable.  Bipartisanship with this Republican party will only lead to "square wheels" that help prove their point about governmental incompetence.  

         Next time you hear a conservative talking about small government, you'll know what they're talking about.  Replace the word "small" with "no".  All you need to do is tell them to move to a place like Somalia if they really want to live without an "oppressive government."

P.S.  This is my first diary so let me know if I screwed up in any way.

Originally posted to DeanNC on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:00 PM PST.

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  •  Hey (24+ / 0-)

    Emma Goldman would be offended to have her political movement compared to the teapartiers. They're not anarchists, they just want a government that serves them and ignores the rest.  The I-got-mine-fuck-you party.  

  •  Wrong. (9+ / 0-)

    Conservatives believe in social control. Anti-gay and women laws. Racist laws. Establishing religion and morality. That's state control, not anarchy.

    "Everybody lies... except POLITICIANS? House, I do believe you are a romantic."

    by indiemcemopants on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:04:49 PM PST

    •  That doesn't make the diarist wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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      happymisanthropy

      It just makes him incomplete.

      Public Option IS the Compromise!!

      by Purple Priestess on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:28:14 PM PST

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      •  How so? (2+ / 0-)
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        slatsg, Marja E

        Conservatives, are almost anything BUT anarchists. How doesn't that make him wrong?

        Liberatarians are much closer to anarchists, and it's completely wrong to say that conservatives are Libertarians. We know for a fact that Jerry Falwell was a kind of a conservative, but not any kind of libertarian.

        --Austin Texas Democrat

        by pdrap on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:35:13 PM PST

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        •  Although there are (0+ / 0-)

          a significant number of social conservatives who subscribe to libertarian economic ideology.  

          Fascism is capitalism in decay. -- Vladimir Lenin

          by GiveNoQuarter on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:44:32 PM PST

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          •  Barely true (3+ / 0-)
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            slatsg, Marja E, diffrntdrummr

            But it's still not accurate. You used the lower-case libertarian, which is a descriptor for a wide range of philosophies which emphasize individual rights.

            The upper-case Libertarians are a political party which emphasizes Chicago and/or Austrian school economics.

            Neither of these are true anarchists.

            I also doubt there are any social conservatives who subscribe to Noam Chomsky's libertarian economics.

            He's a libertarian socialist.

            So I am really thinking that equating conservatives with anarchists is just incorrect. I think that the only thing that are the same as anarchists, are actual anarchists. Everything else is different, which is why political philosophers have different names for them.

            --Austin Texas Democrat

            by pdrap on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 07:08:05 PM PST

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            •  Not really. (0+ / 0-)

              I used the term "libertarian economic ideology" in the most common way it is employed: as a signifier for a pure laissez-faire capitalism.  Your  browbeating rebuttal does more to confuse than clarify.

              And your clarifications are wrong.  Austrian School economist Murray Rothbard is generally considered the founder of Anarcho-capitalism (a form of anarchism).  Moreover, Rothbard was heavily involved with the Libertarian Party in the 70's and 80's.  So what we have is an Austrian School anarcho-capitalist active in the Libertarian Party.  Kind of blows apart your theory.  Unless you simply want to deny that anarcho-capitalists are "true" anarchists, in which case we're merely playing a semantic game.

              Chomsky more accurately described himself as an "anarcho-syndicalist.  "Libertarian socialism" encompasses a number of different socialist economic/organizational ideologies, including council communism and autonomism, to name just two of the most prominent.

              To sum up, one can be both an anarchist (in the anarcho-capitalist guise) and a social conservative.  I'm sure we'll both agree that this is a particularly repugnant combination.

              Fascism is capitalism in decay. -- Vladimir Lenin

              by GiveNoQuarter on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 07:55:23 PM PST

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              •  Browbeating??? (1+ / 0-)
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                Do you mean to be insulting, or was it an accident?

                When I was a child I endured punches for being smart. No more. I won't take it.

                Your characterization of my comment as browbeating reflects more badly on you than it does on me. I won't apologize for any "tone" or such. If I am wrong, then explain so. But don't bully me. I will object very clearly, and have done so.

                My point, originally, is that to say the set of capitalists is the set of anarchists is wrong. I can see the sets are not equivalent, and so can you.

                And your clarifications are wrong.  Austrian School economist Murray Rothbard is generally considered the founder of Anarcho-capitalism

                I believe I said that Libertarians were closer to anarchists than conservatives. This fits. It make some sense to say that Libertarians are like anarchists in some way. It makes no sense to say that conservatives are like anarchists.

                The information on Chomsky is good though.

                --Austin Texas Democrat

                by pdrap on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 09:46:12 PM PST

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  •  Let's not stoop to their level (4+ / 0-)

    and misinterpret and ideology then use it as an inaccurate insult against the other major party.

  •  You have to make (3+ / 0-)
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    slatsg, ActivistGuy, rhetoricus

    a distinction between anarcho-capitalism and the various forms of left anarchism.  Anarcho-capitalism is really an aberration on the anarchist spectrum.  Anarchism began as left-wing ideology and it remains so for the most part today.

    Fascism is capitalism in decay. -- Vladimir Lenin

    by GiveNoQuarter on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:37:43 PM PST

  •  It's time to call Conservatives what they are: (7+ / 0-)

    morons.

    I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class, especially since I rule!

    by jbou on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:40:50 PM PST

  •  They are Plutocrats. Feudalists. (6+ / 0-)

    They believe in government, all right, to bail out their silly casino schemes and fund their corporate thug and drug wars and their contractor shell companies, and to give massive corporate welfare to oil and Big Ag and Big Pharm, etc. Government is their personal and corporate ATM. They believe in privatizing gains and socializing losses. That's not anarchy. It's parasitic corporate oligarchy.

    They difference is that that they don't want government money going to creating or maintaining a middle class. They want a few wealthy elite (themselves) and a lot of desperate peasants ripe for exploitation.

    Calling them anarchists is an insult to anarchists.

    If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

    by rhetoricus on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:41:28 PM PST

    •  And add theocrats to that. (1+ / 0-)
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      Because they also want government funding their bullshit abstinence-only and corrupt "faith based" schemes and their Ayn Rand, Oral Roberts-style private schools that remove any sense of responsibility to community or planet.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:44:05 PM PST

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    •  Ditto! (3+ / 0-)
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      But, the biggest and now life-time Social Services Recipients of Government funds.

      Every one of them and their family have Government sponsored/afforded/paid Health Care-for starters.

      •  And many of them made their fortune (0+ / 0-)

        ..during the Eisenhower era when the rich were taxed at over 90%, minimum wage kept pace with inflation, unions were strong, there was no real outsourcing (or onshoring), and Buy American and Made in America were considered good things.

        If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

        by rhetoricus on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 07:17:28 PM PST

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  •  Points well taken, thanks for the comments... (2+ / 0-)

    given everyone's comments, I'll reconsider the argument.  Thanks!

  •  Conservative websites? (2+ / 0-)
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    "99% of the battles and skirmishes that we fought in Afghanistan were won by our side." ~ Marshall Akhromeyev

    by ActivistGuy on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 07:01:28 PM PST

  •  their anti-government rant certainly verges on (3+ / 0-)

    a call to anarchy.

    •  Most of the people screaming the anti-government (0+ / 0-)

      rant collect both Social Security and Medicare...they take full advantage of every government program they can get their hands on...they fully support the military which is one the biggest government boondoggle every conceived. They only want to cut government programs that support someone else...

  •  Absolutely (0+ / 0-)

    They are calling for civil disobedience for Christ sake! The Right! What has the world come to?

  •  Yep, they sabotage the government, then say (0+ / 0-)

    "See, we told you the government can’t do anything right". They do need called out for being Anarchists.
    I think the root of this is greed doesn’t want regulation (govern = regulate), so they use religion/ideology and whatever else they can think of to convince people that government is "evil".
    They worshiped a guy that said "government is the problem" (Reagan). You’re exactly right, it’s time we called out "conservatives" for being anarchists.

  •  Bullshit! (3+ / 0-)
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    Don't insult Anarchists by caling them conservatives. That's just as uneducated as calling Pres Obama a racist. If this is all you know about Anarchism then please do some research. I'm not impling that you don't have the beginnings of a point. You can go so far left you appear right.  There's just alot more to Anarchism than ' no gov. '

  •  More like Chaos than Anarchism. (3+ / 0-)
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    The problem is that most people associate Anarchism with Chaos.  It's an old slur and many today make that association without really understanding what anarchism is.

    Here is Peter Kropotkin's definition of Anarchism from the Encyclopedia Britannica in 1901.

    ANARCHISM, the name given to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is conceived without government - harmony in such a society being obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority, but by free agreements concluded between the various groups, territorial and professional, freely constituted for the sake of production and consumption, as also for the satisfaction of the infinite variety of needs and aspirations of a civilized being.

    In the past, critics of liberated individuals have described their desires as Chaos in order to strike fear into the masses. Chaos CAN mean disruption of food (famine) disruption of medicine (pestilence) disruption of order and conflict (war) and death.  However, when your read Proudhon's words, "Anarchism is order, governments are civil war." and read the ideas of the cooperativist movements and look at the long history of anarchist organization,  one realizes what a slur it is to conflate the two.

    I would suggest that mathematically, Conservatives are more like Chaoticians.
    Chaos as a mathematical formula is a determinist result that is sensitive to its initial conditions.  

    What is the result of destroying social programs and preventing others like health care?  

    Well, the determinist results are pretty predictable: the rich retain their riches (the initial conditions) and gain more because the government isn't intervening to maintain wages, public health, education, security and justice (determinist results).

    And one can apply this logic to most of the conservative battles of the past millenia: slavery and serfdom, child labor, discrimination, health care, progressive taxation, social security, unemployment insurance, public education, public health and public transit.

    Conservatives want Chaos where their initial conditions of wealth and power are unshackled and allowed to more to their determinist conclusions.  What they don't want is a government interfering with the issues above and they especially don't want anarcho-syndicalists seizing factories, farms, and workshops AKA their property and using for the benefit of all.

    Good luck and read a little bit about Anarchism.  Orwell's Homage to Catalonia is a great read and has a glimpse of what an Anarchist Society could have been.

    Charles

  •  NOT Anarchists (4+ / 0-)

    Anarchists are peace loving people, not supporting the mega-industrial military complex the Repug's do.  Just passed the 122 anniversary of 4 innocent men hung in Chicago for being "Anarchists."  Repugs are just plain ignorant, undeserving of Anarchist.  Nihilists, maybe.

  •  okay so maybe the diarist doesn't understand (0+ / 0-)

    Anarchism. And to be perfectly honest, neither do I.

    But I think the larger point being made in this diary is dead on.

    I'm sure Emma Goldman would not get all that mad. Word usage changes over time.

  •  Here's another 'Not Anarchists' vote (1+ / 0-)
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    If anything I'd say 'Authoritarian Theocrats.'  As well as yes, fascist, as in Mussolini's definition of the term.

    I'm a progressive man, and I love progressive people - Tosh

    by VeganMilitia on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 08:30:48 PM PST

  •  Tipped and rec'd (0+ / 0-)

    For being brave enough to write a first diary with some substance. Also for starting a discussion.

    Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

    by Dbug on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 08:33:51 PM PST

  •  Not quite anarchists, imo (0+ / 0-)

    Strictly speaking, I think calling the Tea Party crowd "anarchists" is an insult to real anarchists; or at least, it's an insult to the anarchists who believe that people can live quite happily without the state, as opposed to the thugs in bandannas and black hoodies who go around indiscriminately smashing windows and looting stores.

    The anarchism that I would identify with is that of the Spanish Republic. That particular stripe of anarchism believed that it's not so much that the state is intrinsically evil, but that it will almost invariably centralize power in the hands of the wealthy and their chosen spokesmen, moving it away from the people as a whole. This kind of anarchism does not denigrate cooperation; rather, it depends on the highest degree of cooperation. You need to work a lot harder and think a lot more if you don't have bosses running the show, whether they're bosses at work or bosses in the capital.

    Incidentally, J.R.R. Tolkien was very much in favor of this sort of thing, although he didn't think it was likely to come about. While he was always a monarchist, he actually wanted a kind of "Tory anarchism" to exist, a society in which people could be depended on to be sensible, to be kind to one another, and to cooperate, because it was in their best interests to do so. He was distrustful of the omnipresent role of the state, not because he was simply anti-government, but because he disliked the impersonal nature of the modern welfare state.

    That said, I don't believe that we as a society are ready for the kind of anarchism I would like. I rather doubt we ever will be. But it would be a nice thing if we could get there, someday. I hope all that made some sort of sense. Thoughts?

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