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Rant/VentingIt disgusts me how lazy housewives are. (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary:

Housewives without kids work 2 hours a day max! And thanks to TV (always telling them how hard working a housewife is) they get an entitled attitude. It is disgusting.

I know that redpill expects traditional roles, but if I ever get married, I will marry a woman that actually works.

In TV (movies and series) housewives and/or stay-at-home moms are always portrayed as hard working. It is really cringeworthy how much they pander to housewives.

I think this is the reason why housewives are so entitled. All the housewives I know in my family (I love my family, but it is just a fact...) and the housewives I am friends with are just incredibly lazy people and extremely easy stressed out. The ones with kids work about 3 hours a day, the ones without kids barely more than 1 hour. They have a fuck load of free time. But worst is: They all think their full time working husbands are lucky for having such a good wife. Really, I have yet to meet one housewife who admits that she is lazy and that she works less than 2 hours every day.

Now okay, we live in a bluepill society. Their husbands do not even notice and think their wives do a fair share. So at least the husbands are happy?

Wrong!

Not working all day makes you extremely lazy in general. They have a completely narrow comfort zone. Doing this on the weekend? Too stressful! Doing that? No, better something relaxing!

Besides this, social skills are practically none existent. I noticed that arguments in my big family (nothing serious) always start between housewives. Working women are just more skilled in avoiding conflict.

Surely, if I will get married (maybe in a decade or two), I will marry a woman who works. I would rather hire a maid with the double income. Also, in case of divorce you get raped less hard if she actually has a good job, too. And most important: I could not respect a woman who thinks making me a sandwich and dinner and cleaning the house once a week is the hardest job a human has every done. Thanks to media, it will be near to impossible to get a housewife who is not brainwashed into thinking that her job is actually hard.

Lesson to be learned:

I am aware that many on the redpill are not keen to marrying a woman with a career. But remember that marrying a housewife has downsides, too. So much that I personally prefer a woman with a career (not talking about some hing ranking CEO job, but making $50.000-$100.000 a year - why not).

You have to decide for yourself.

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[–]DRMMR76 155ポイント156ポイント  (51子コメント)

It's a carryover from when they did work a fuck ton. Back before washing machines, and dishwashers, and vacuums, etc when cleaning a house was a long and backbreaking job, and when families were much larger and taking care of kids was a job too. Now there's "free" breakfast at schools, "free" daycare, "free" after school programs, etc all doing the parenting work for them. 60+ years ago a housewife was actually expected to be up early making breakfast, do the dishes by hand, do the wash, put it up on the clothes line, clean the floors, wash the windows, start making dinner (with real ingredients that take time and skill to make into a meal), more dishes, etc. All by hand, every day. With 4 or 5 kids running around breaking things, tracking mud on the floor from actually playing outside, and so forth.

Now all meals are in a box or takeout. Machines do all the cleaning. The taxpayers feed and watch the kids for the the vast majority of the day. And when the kids are home, they're on their PS4 or cell phone, or out getting trashed and fucked. And all the nice things a husband used to expect, a made bed, clean and pressed work clothes, a meal waiting for him after work, etc you'd be hard pressed to find any woman who gives a shit about her husband enough to give him those things once a year much less every day.

All the real work of being a housewife dried up and got swept away by taxpayer programs and machines, and what little was left women just stopped doing because they don't give a fuck.

[–]grimreaperx2 67ポイント68ポイント  (17子コメント)

Every time I see these stupid posts about how long it takes to do household chores I want to punch the author. They act like people clean their whole house everyday. I can clean my apartment, dishes, vacuum, laundry in 5 hours tops. Do it once a week or break it up over the days. The amount of people that do not know basic cleaning and cooking skills is terrifying.

Bill Burr puts it like it is.

[–]The_BeardedGentleman 52ポイント53ポイント  (14子コメント)

I throw parties pretty reguarly and I can clean my entire house, dishes, vacuum, clean up throw up, clean the bathrooms, everything in under 30-40 minutes. These bitches are absolutely out of their mind when they tell me they spend HOURS cleaning a house PER DAY. Some dumb ass tried convincing me that after her boyfriend gets home from work every day shes got 3 hours of work just because he leaves stuff like clothes on the floor. YEAH 4 articles of clothing takes hours to pick up. Food that cooks itself after you spend 3 minutes preparing it takes hours to fiddle with. Clothes and dishes that wash themselves in a dish washer take hours.

Tl;dr these bitches are the most intellectually dishonest people on the planet. I trust the word of a politican more than I do the modern day "house wife".

[–]throwaway_divorce_11 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

I watched my ex try to clean the house. She was simply terribly inefficient. Flitting about, leaving jobs unfinished, creating more messes than she was cleaning up, "multitasking," yakking on the phone, etc. Granted, she is BPD, so there is that.

Anyway, the (rare) days when I had the house to myself, I got that shit cleaned up and completely spic 'n span in less than two hours. 10 minutes per room, 100% focused effort. Declutter, put away, wipe, scrub, then vacuum or sweep and mop, boom. Wet rooms first, dry rooms after. And it only took two full hours to clean up because it was a tornado mess. Maintenance cleaning can be done in 15 minutes or less.

[–]The_BeardedGentleman 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

That might be what it boils down to. Just like grocery shopping. I'm in and out in 5 minutes even though I bought 2 weeks worth the food, and that isn't always the case with women (ofc there are exceptions).

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

(ofc there are exceptions).

We know buddy, we know... This isn't a space with chicks hyper worried about not being recognized as being a special snowflake. We get that there are always going to be exceptions when it comes to social dynamics... You're among men. It goes without saying.

[–]The_BeardedGentleman 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

people still give me shit here. PC has infected all corners of the modern day.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

And to them you simply say... "Fuck you." and go on about your day.

[–]metalhead4 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Guy shopping is A to B I know what I want. Girl shopping Is A through Z while stopping to read 1-10

[–]NidStyles 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Watching women flit about staring at the stuff on the shelves at the grocery store is amusing IMO. It's like you know they want what they are looking at, but are trying to rationalize why they should get it.

Makes no sense. I go by the the I want it, therefore it's in my basket method.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just like grocery shopping. I'm in and out in 5 minutes even though I bought 2 weeks worth the food,

I am the same way. I know what I am shopping for because I know what I need. Maybe there are one or two special items that I will decide in the moment if there is a special.

I believe women wander through the aisles as passive observers, waiting to "react" to a display, or what product line jumps out the most (ie what marketing is most effective on her brain). She approaches food provisioning the same way she approaches the sexual market: wait and see what the most attractive eye popping item on display is.

[–]TheDialecticParadox -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why I never ask women where things are in a supermarket. Unless it's on display, it has ads on TV, or your assaulted by the marketing at the entrance/exit, they won't know what/where it is.

Just 10 minutes ago I asked a girl restocking vegetables where the celeriac is, her answer? "Ohhh...Ummm, I'm pretty sure that's in aisle 9!"

Aisle 9 was the cleaning product aisle.

She has the easiest fucking job in the world and if someone asks her something she doesn't know, she doesn't try and learn, she tries to bullshit to get rid of whatever customer is making her feel inadequate.

Pisses me off.

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    [–]battleof_lissa 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    There is maintenance cleaning and red knuckle cleaning.

    Red knuckle: bucket of hot water and bleach. Scrub down every surface concentrating on 3ft×3ft sections. You don't move until that 3ft is scrubbed clean and dry (works wonders to avoid typical female distractions or "multitasking.")

    This will take all day but only needed once a week.

    Maintenance: Wiping things down when splatter. Vacuum obvious small messes. Picking up cans and trash after a party.

    If you do red knuckle cleaning once a week you can maintain the house under an hour a day.

    [–]meng88 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They don't want to know cooking/cleaning because feminists have defined it as degrading work. They're too good for it.

    [–]HalfPastTuna 20ポイント21ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Seriously this. My mother's laziness was a major factor in my father's frustration. She took a nap every day and would constantly bitch about having to pick up my brother from school

    [–]PlanB_pedofile 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

    nothing burns worse than a mother that is too lazy to put in an effort for her kids. I see a lot of stay at home moms or under employed women offloading their children to daycares and babysitters just so they won't have to deal with them.

    Major quality test for a woman. Is she fit to raise a child? is she nurturing enough to care for her own flesh and blood of an offspring? Does she even care about kids or is she too selfish in her lifestyle that she doesn't want to lose her youth to children?

    Major mate selections going on there. If a woman says she loves kids and dreams of being a stay at home mom, chances are you found yourself a quality woman.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    If a woman says she loves kids and dreams of being a stay at home mom, chances are you found yourself a quality woman.

    Or the next ex you're forced to pay for 15-20 years while she fucks someone else. Live in poverty due to child support/alimony and you too will never want kids again.

    [–]PlanB_pedofile 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It's a risk. But life is all about risks. If we want to have a nuclear family, this is the gamble we must face.

    Mail order bride may be better suited for this task. Western women are a bad investment if a man's goal is to have a traditional family.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    50% divorce rates or higher. If crossing the street resulted in every other person being hit and sustaining serious injuries or death, would you cross the street too?

    [–]PlanB_pedofile 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If reproduction, legacy, survival of my family name, is on the other side then yes.

    Growing old, die alone, no kids, no spouse. I'm not sure if that's a good endgame for the most alpha of chad :/

    You can gamble the risk as a fool, or gamble as a wise person. Thus if marriage and family is an endgame goal, be sure to have s good betting strategy. A careful pick, don't bet all your chips, and always know the odds are in favor of the house. If you win, you win. Lose, you lose.

    Everyone's endgame is different.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Foolish or wise, doesn't matter. She has every incentive to leave and take anything she wants, while incentive to stay and not follow her nature to fuck everyone else in an effort to be haaaaaaapy is nearly nil. Get sick, injured, downsized, or anything that makes you look even slightly weak, and your most carefully picked virgin that you vetted for years will jump to anyone who appears to have a higher smv, even if he doesn't.

    I've been on both sides of that, the other man and the sick husband who gets cheated on. AWALT. Your careful picking means precisely dick. Girls will do what they want based entirely on feels, not on logic, reason, or reality. There is no societal pressure keeping hypergamous behavior in check, society encourages her to fuck alone and has removed nearly every drawback to following her nature. She gets cash and prizes legally extorted from you, she gets the kids by default and with them comes a huge portion of your earnings.

    Doesn't matter what your endgame is, her's is different and hers is the only one that matters, because in most states you have zero say in if you want to get divorced or not. She can dump you frivolously and get everything you have worked to build, and it doesn't matter if she did anything to help build it or not, she gets at least half no matter what in most states.

    If you make it more than ten years you're damn fortunate. If you have any health issues and she stays, be amazed. If she doesn't cheat she is either too ugly to get laid or she's a religious nut in a beekeeping outfit. You can think you're so alpha she will never cheat, but believe it, she will suck a strange dick if the opportunity presents itself and the chances of being caught are minimal. The man can be worse looking, be a complete loser, and not even be an alpha male, just a jerk that looks better in her eyes than you do after all those years. Just one time and suddenly you're raising another man's kid that has your name.

    That's the reality of it. Like it or not.

    I've been married twice, never doing it again. Second one was a virgin near unicorn 13 years younger than me. Vetted her for nearly 8 years before getting married, it lasted 16 months after that. The kid she left for was 20 years younger than me, is a home schooled loser that thinks he is tough, but in reality is a wannabe. He has fake dogtags, has never been in the military, but plays it off like he was, lived with his parents until this year (he's now 26) and his dad pays his bills because he can't keep a job due to his attitude. He thinks he should be the boss starting out, and tells everyone what to do, and it's almost always the wrong thing to do. He can't lift his own body weight, has jowls at 26, and was absolutely terrified of me when he met me after fucking my wife.

    Compared to me he is an abject loser in every sense, a complete omega that at first appears to be alpha because of his ignorant arrogance, but after a week or two is obvious he is a complete loser. Nothing behind it. He has been in trouble for stalking a 37 year old hamplanet single mother of two, desperation and thirst are who he is.

    How did he end up fucking my wife after almost ten years with me, a combat veteran who can lift double my body weight? Zero downside for her, I got sick and it lasted 6 months, and bitches be stupid. AWALT.

    I'm happier alone, no bitch will ever live with me or hear me say "I love you" ever again. No bitch will ever profit from my hard work again either. I got a vasectomy so no bitch can extort 70% of my income from me. I learned the hard way, apparently you need to learn the hard way too. Go ahead and think it could never happen to you.

    [–]itsforhismum 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I just realize how awesome my mother was/is when i read shit like that. She has always been working full time yet our Appartement was always cleanish we had honecooked lunch(grandma) Abd dinner (mother) everyday. She drove us to school and picked us up almost everyday.she plays Handball and is a fucking beast considering her age now. She lifts and earns more money than my dad having her own business and all.

    [–]PlanB_pedofile 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    When school starts. She has more time. Its those first 5 years of focusing that full 17 hour day to the kid.

    [–]itsforhismum 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Haha yeah there are sweets to eat ,Couches to sit on and TV shows to watch so much to do so few time. But for real my mom was back at work after she pushed my brother out like a year after me. She is not your average woman still she is going a little crazy lately Kind of like a midlife crisis awalt i guess :-( she has done some stuff which i find strange maybe even inapropriate but hey shes 50 Years old and worked like a mule ger whole life let her have it!

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      [–]Code_Bordeauxx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What you have to gain? Kids. The privilege of nurturing something you created to eventually watch it blossom. As good a valid purpose for your life as they come. If this is beyond your scope of understanding you are -as a woman- biologically broken. Question is: are you going to accept that making babies is the main purpose for your existence and thus use your body the way it is intended, or are you going to cast that all aside in favour of better physical aesthetics for a few years, after it disappears anyway?

      P.S. it's when you lose your youth, not if. If those truths are too harsh for you, perhaps this sub isn't the right environment for you.

      [–]PlanB_pedofile 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      A man's pride can be connected with his kids. He'll love his children more than the mother. This is why men fight for custody of their kids or agree to fork over half their income just so they can see them on a weekend.

      Pregnancy does destroy a womans body. Though the younger the woman, the faster they bounce back. I've seen a 20 year old recover her flat tummy in 6 months. Freaking crazy fast. While the 30+ year old is usually done for after pregnancy.

      [–]el_superbeastooo 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I was reading The Manipulated Man the other day and the author goes into this topic quite a bit.

      Men scientists and engineers are constantly trying to improve and streamline household chores in order to "free" women of it and make them "happy" (since they always complain). They invented fancy appliances and machines to appease women who are generally the users of such devices but this all backfired as they always just find more shit to bitch about.

      Great book, short and definitely worth a read.

      [–]douglas_p 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

      By the 1950s, household chores had become so simple that women found themselves with nothing to do. And since most of these women were too uninteresting to seek out hobbies or ways to entertain themselves (despite having infinite free time), they started popping Valium en masse. It was literally marketed exactly for that purpose: to cure them of their own boredom.

      [–]ripple24 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The Rolling Stones didn't beat around the bush:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfGYSHy1jQs

      [–]skoobled 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is 100% the human condition. Sure work and struggle often suck, but without it we are lost

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Isn't that when daytime soap operas took off? Because women tended to have 3-4 hours free during the middle of the day.

      Interesting tidbit, they're called soap operas because like laundry/dish soap companies were the ones sponsoring/advertising during those hours.

      [–]xfcv88 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I'm actually interested in this housewife painkiller thing. I took an history course as one of my breadth requirements this semester and the prof was claiming that the reason the women were so depressed was because we granted them freedoms at home as they were working factory jobs and shit, and then when the men came back they became depressed because they were being forced back into how things were prewar and so painkillers were marketed as some kind of cure for depressed housewives. Seemed like a pretty ridiculous explanation when I heard it, not surprised to find out its more liberal crap.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That is total bullshit. Also if it was true it'd only be that generation that was fucked up not subsequent generations who never worked in factories and had to go back to being housewives when the war was over.

      [–]The_Titleist 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You see, IMO this is what earned compensation following divorce, actually contributing to the domestic workload. But /u/ChanThunderwang is right on it, There is no real work to be done today other than picking things up and vacuuming.

      [–]trinitys_dildo 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Almost entirely agree.

      The only thing I'd add is that some housewives end up doing more stuff for the kids with their freed up time and extra resources e.g. get them involved in more sports and drive them around, cook them fancier food

      [–]TheOuterRing 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      That's very true, and should be the majority. But sadly it's not. And those women that truly do give so much time and effort get overshadowed by their lazy counterparts.

      I counter that if one is to marry and have no kids, the wife should at least have a part time job/hobby that takes a lot of time and skill so that her energies are used properly and keeping her engaged with the world. I think the main benefit of a housewife is that the husband knows that someone is there to do something for him when he needs it. But so many are addicted to netflix...you could almost argue that we are evolving so fast in cultural aspects that it's almost understandable that people can't keep up.

      Very interesting times we live in.

      [–]trinitys_dildo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      One of my uncles has a hilarious theory about how you should send your wife out to work not least because of the reasons you mentioned but also because she uses her boss's resources rather than yours e.g. power for climate control, lighting and hot water, snacks

      [–]Retro93 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Damn this shit makes me sad. It's not even the women part of the equation, it's the whole fucking thing. Convenience has changed our way of life forever, and I'm not sure if it's a good thing.

      [–]Squeezymypenisy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Lol its funny. I see comments like this on these threads, but if you go to one about future automation every single engineering dude espouses the idea that more technology will make life even more comfortable and defends it to the death.

      [–]Retro93 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If I've learned anything during my few years on this earth, it's that escaping problems does not equal solving them.

      Yeah, some guys will be happy fucking their sex bot. Hell, I'm sure in the short term it's a great solution to the problems that face incels. I thought video games and porn were a great solution, too. And then you realize that you're just a lonely animal that doesn't even know how to follow his base instincts in order to get what he wants. I'll be damned if I settle for fucking a piece of machinery.

      The illusion is never as good as it seems, something every single one of us here should be familiar with.

      [–]Gawernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is why I found a Mexican girl, most stuff isn't from a box! ;D

      [–]metalhead4 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

      They never worked a fuck ton. Think abouto it. Next time you're out and about. Those power lines? Put up by men. That house? Built by men. That bridge? Built by men. That roof? Shingled by men. That garden and patio? Probably men made it. That cellphone you talk on? Made by men. That car? Made by men. That gas station? Built by men. The gas you fill up with? Acquired by men. Women are useless for almost everything except menial jobs and taking care of other people. Men built the world.

      [–]Derbi50 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

      "That cellphone you talk on? Made by men."

      Actually probably made by asian children shackled to an assembly line.

      Just saying.

      [–]NidStyles 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Made by machines that were made by men. Children labor is exclusively focused on making Jordan's, because wiggers need shoes too.

      [–]2 Endorsed ContributorCisWhiteMaelstrom 53ポイント54ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Our society calls housework real work because we're gynocentrists. Women think that chores are everything because it's all they see. It never even hits them that the man is working straight 8-10 hours a day without the possibility of taking breaks, eat snacks, or whatever it takes to maximize comfort. Describing that work as oppression is the basis of second wave feminism but it's really a hamster's idea. Men don't work those jobs to oppress women; we work them to spare women because we love women.

      That book was a hypothesis on women's happiness and when women got "equality" in the workplace, they're happiness took a huge hit. This paper both shows that the hypothesis failed because women were reporting more happiness than men when it was written, as oppose to the less that the author would predict, and also shows the reasoning behind it to be bunk because women are getting less happy over time. Of course, the author dare not question feminism in any serious way so it takes a red pill reader to read through the bullshit.

      Men were never oppressors, we were sacrificers. The problem was that women are children and couldn't understand that your parents run shit because they love you and are willing to take accountability for their children.

      [–]TheThingsIThink 41ポイント42ポイント  (7子コメント)

      my ex-wife needed days off from being a mommy. So, on my day off from work I would be a dad and she would hang at the sitter, or go to a show with the pastors wife. but she never realized I never got a day off. Her hardest day as a mom was my easy day

      [–]NoFap_Newb 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I get more housework done on "Mom's Night" than she gets done all week.

      [–]TheThingsIThink 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I will admit all the artwork my son did on the walls was on my watch. Ex was hella pissesd. I told her I got distracted doing all the house work. Venomous stares were exchanged

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Chalkboard Paint - paint a wall with that and give the kid chalk to draw on it. Problem solved.

      [–]SCROTAL-SACK 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Strikes home reading this. I have a friend who work's outdoors all day 6 days a week, rain or shine, 12+ hours a day miles away from home. He gets ONE day off a week where he'd like to chill out, have a beer and play some xbox online with me. I've witnessed a whole bunch of times his wife storming into the room having a go at him about the noise, going off at him because he went to bed late (ON HIS F*CKING DAY OFF!!), and telling him she needs a break from being at home sat on her ass watching TV and "child care" of their kid during the week. It's as if women cannot get their head around the fact that he's been working. To them, its like he's just been out of the house and now he's back and needs to give her a break from all the work SHE's had to do. Nevermind that he may be exhausted already.

      He'd given up more recently and ended up having to watch the baby while trying to play xbox. He'd have to leave every 10 mins or so to feed him or change him or w/e tedious tasks parents have to do. Subsequently getting kicked off the game or ending up screwing up his night either way. Its infuriating really.

      Women can't see past their own troubles. Everyone around them is just a utility.

      [–]g00bins 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      went to bed late

      I don't understand. She tries to assign a bedtime for a grown adult?

      [–]SCROTAL-SACK 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yep, fucking unreal ain't it. Women do this a lot. I told him to tell her to go fuck herself. That is straight up insane. A lot of this stuff happened before they got married.. and he still married her.. Goddammit man..

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's as if women cannot get their head around the fact that he's been working. To them, its like he's just been out of the house and now he's back and needs to give her a break from all the work SHE's had to do. Nevermind that he may be exhausted already.

      It's because of solipsism. Women don't work hard so they don't think men work hard either. They probably think he's doing something like George Jetson. Sitting at a desk pressing a button all day long.

      [–]speed3_freak 38ポイント39ポイント  (15子コメント)

      My mom was/is a housewife, and she worked her ass off. She always made sure my dad had a hot breakfast, lunch ready, and his clothes laid out and ironed for work. She took care of the three of us all the time, running us and watching us play sports and do all of our other stuff. She made sure the house stayed clean, spent time going to the hospital to see the elderly people at church, and volunteered to help out with the schools. She took care of ALL of the shopping and finances, and made sure that my father never had to worry about anything at home. When my brother and I were both out of the house she decided to get a job as a bank teller to fill some of her time, and now that there are no kids she is working full time as a supervisor at the bank. The problem is not with a woman being a housewife, the problem is that the people that you know who are housewives are lazy. If you want a woman who works, that's fine, but if you want a housewife who works, you set the expectations for her to keep her from being lazy.

      [–]The_BeardedGentleman 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Theres the divide. The modern day house wife will maybe make dinner (not without complaining like fucking hell), clean for like 30 minutes and go back to sleep. Definitely not make their husband lunch and breakfast, to get them going on the right foot at the start of the day, and then come back to you with "omg so hard to doooo". Your mom was an actual woman, not a child in adult clothing.

      [–]speed3_freak 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Completely depends on the person. That's the same as saying the modern day man works for 8 hours and then comes home and plays WOW for 10 hours. There are absolutely women out there who are willing to put in effort. Sure, they're harder to find than they were 40 years ago, but they still exist.

      [–]Mattpilf 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

      In fact, your average 8 hour works day, isn't really 8 hours or work for most. In fact, many employees only do like 2-3 hours of real work too. Look up the two hour rule.

      Not all people, but actually a good chunk.

      [–]speed3_freak 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I really thought about bringing that up, but it was so outside the discussion of what I actually witnessed, I didn't.

      Really good point though. i work my ass off, but of the 10 hours I'm actually at work, a good chunk is spent chit chatting and networking with other hospital employees. It helps me in my ability to do my job, but is absolutely not what I'm paid for.

      [–]Mattpilf 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Plus, depending on the type of work, while some could get it done in 3 hours or so if you rushed, if you continued that for 8 hours in the day you'd be crushed mentally.

      [–]The_BeardedGentleman 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Oh yes, of course they exist. My sister is one of them. She'll work a 12 hour shift at the hospital and come home and clean her house and make her fiance lunch and breakfast for the next day before going to bed at 7am. Some people have it innately in them to be that role, and some had high quality parents that led by example.

      It'd sure be nice though if it didn't take meeting hundreds of women just to find one person with a head on their shoulders lol.

      [–]PlanB_pedofile 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      sometimes that's what it takes. Women pull shit tests, men need to do quality tests.

      [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

      She took care of the three of us all the time, running us and watching us play sports and do all of our other stuff.

      Kids overestimate the workload of their mothers. I was the same. 3-4 hours of actual work a day seems like a lot to a kid. Just cleaning your own room seemed like a lot to kids, despite all it requires was picking up some toys, which could be done in 2 minutes. Actually cleaning the whole house seems like an impossible task to kids.

      However, your mom did great by starting to work again after the kids were old enough.

      [–]speed3_freak 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I'm not a kid. I am fully capable of understanding the amount of work that my mother did while I was growing up. There are tons of things that I didn't mention that she did like gardening, making sure all of the cars were serviced, and helping with homework etc, but my mother didn't watch TV or play on the computer while my father was at work. She stayed busy. Maybe your point is that she could have gotten by only working a few hours per day, but she didn't stop there because she isn't a lazy woman.

      And honestly, her reasons for working are because she chooses to work so that she has money to blow. She uses her check to shop for stuff and for their vacations, but Dad still pays all of the bills. His money is their money, and her money is her money.

      [–]MattyAnon 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Here's some examples I've seen:

      • Housewife spends all day playing silly computer games and being irritated when child interrupts. (That was with me as a friend there, it couldn't have been any better when I wasn't).

      • Housewife plays with dog while child cries. This was a neighbour. When complaining about the child crying all day, she denies this because husband now present and he doesn't know his child is neglected and has been crying all day. Actually she went apeshit to cover up for it.

      • Woman is supported doing her toy job (which earns close to zero money but she has a hope that her acting-type career will take off). Man works. Both babysit. She complains about how hard babysitting is, and gets more money from husband if he does more work and she does more babysitting. Yes you read that right - she gets paid to babysit her own children while her husband works and she works on her never-gonna-happen career.

      Being a housewife in 2015 is fucking easy. We have machines to do most things, endless entertainments, and children are distracted with video games. And you can't ask a woman to do anything, because asking her to wash up is "woman's work, and I am A Liberated Indipindint Wymmin you shitlord!". Obviously men still have to work and support the family, that's different.

      Never marry, never expect women to be anything than their basal nature.

      And given that they don't believe what we say, don't listen to us, and lie to us when they speak - I can't see the point in talking to them at all.

      [–]SleepNowMyThrowaway 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      ... he pays her to babysit their own kid?! Jesus Christ, please document that schlubs eventual train wreck, it's going to be epic.

      And to the OP: you keep saying how you'll make sure your wife works. A question. How?

      She's got a job, you marry, she quits/gets fired - then what? You'd better rethink this marriage plan of yours.

      [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      She's got a job, you marry, she quits/gets fired - then what? You'd better rethink this marriage plan of yours.

      My personal plan: I will quit, too, and leave for China.

      [–]MattyAnon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ... he pays her to babysit their own kid?! Jesus Christ, please document that schlubs eventual train wreck, it's going to be epic.

      Well, it's actually not that weird. I guess it's only like a wife used to be, man earning, woman in control of some money which she gets to spend on whatever.

      The strange thing in this circumstance is that she has a non-paying "job" and he does as much other stuff (time looking after kids) as she does.

      She struggles with motherhood, so somehow (hamster hamster hamster) that means she's entitled to money, support, etc. Oh and did I mention that often they have a babysitter too. (Obviously paid for by him).

      The big fucking problem with women (in marriage / with kids) is that there is no motivation to be fair. In fact there is a motivation to be extremely fucking selfish. What you gonna do, divorce her and pay her alimony and child support and lose your kids? She's got all the power and she knows it, so she hamsters a thin justification and then sticks to it. Then the man has no option but to go along with it, even when it goes as far as "looking after my own children is a bit tiring, so pay me to do it".

      Count me out.

      [–]douglas_p 25ポイント26ポイント  (10子コメント)

      One thing I've noticed about most housewives is that they complain about how they do all the shopping. However they never mention the fact that they genuinely enjoy buying shit. For most women it's pretty much their only hobby. Not to mention that half of the crap they buy is pointless decorative shit that men don't even care about. Also what's so fucking hard about going grocery shopping? Every person does it. It's basically the most simple errand to run.

      [–]MattyAnon 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

      When I left home and started doing stuff for myself, I found out how god damned easy all the shit my mother claimed as "work" really was.

      Washing clothes? Fucking doddle. Bang it in the washer, bang it in the dryer, put it away.

      Yet my mother would claim that "doing washing" to be a major amount of work for the day.

      My dad worked 60 hours a week and still did more housework than my mother who worked less than 30.

      [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

      When I left home and started doing stuff for myself, I found out how god damned easy all the shit my mother claimed as "work" really was.

      Was the same for me. Until I was 10, I actually thought that my mom is the hardest working person on the planet. When I was 11-19, I still thought that my mom at least did some work like an average human does.

      When I moved out, I noticed that all the stuff my mom did is stuff I almost consider free time. I mean, you can listen to music and drink a cold beer while you do washing, cleaning and cooking.

      [–]The_BeardedGentleman 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

      listen to music and drink a cold beer while you do washing, cleaning and cooking

      If you aren't doing that, you aren't doing it right.

      [–]NoFap_Newb 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I can listen to music, drink beer, cook dinner and wash the dishes at the same time. And still get dinner on the table in less than half the time it takes her.

      [–]TX_Man_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Same here, all the "work" of putting dishes in the washer and using a broom or mop every now and then.

      [–]MattyAnon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No broom or mop - that's women's work and you're not sexist are you???

      [–]The_BeardedGentleman 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Its so easy that a pothead can do it.

      [–]1independentmale 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The vast majority of my housework is done stoned the fuck out of my mind and takes no appreciable time at all. Literally minutes here and there throughout the day. That shit is cake, my ex housewife had made.

      I wonder if she's conscious enough to realize working two jobs and struggling to pay rent is a bad trade compared to sitting on her ass all day, spending my six figure income. All she had to do was play with my cock from time to time and pretend to love me.

      [–]sonicdrumm80 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That just a laws of power play right there, make them believe you hate it, when in reality it's their addiction. Make your weaknesses seem as strengths, and your strengths as weaknesses.

      [–]TheThingsIThink 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      half of the crap they buy is pointless decorative shit

      thats their role. You provide the house, the fridge and other appliances. She turns the house into a home. If your going to LTR she will mutiny if she has zero involvement. A captain delegates. You have to make sure that you are leading this operation, but she is your XO

      Give her limits and let her operate in them. You got to have towels and shit, so why care if you have a Dr. Who themed bathroom?

      But if she starts going crazy buying candles an incense tell her she has to use up what she's already bought.

      [–]citizenkane66 19ポイント20ポイント  (13子コメント)

      My old boss used to be this 28 year old guy with his shit together - making $90-100k in a financial software company. His housewife was even worse- she was on her 3rd bull-shite master's degree- something about environmental studies. On his dime, of course.

      That's why I always loved that sitcom 'Married with Children' even 20+ years later its the most daringly truthful portrayal of lower-middle class family life.

      [–]windowkicker 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

      lower-middle class family life.

      Al worked a retail job and owned a house, car and supported a family on a single wage. It's not really lower middle class these days.

      [–]doveenigma13 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

      No it's not. Growing up it looked like such a sad life for Al, but now that I'm an adult it's a pretty damn good life he had on that show.

      [–]PlanB_pedofile 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

      It's an honest life. Peg was a stay at home housewife but she seemed to actually work at the house. Her cooking cut down food expenses. They probably got assistance with the 2 children to help out just a little bit. Al's job was retail but probably worked retail management or was at a commission based shoe store. Weren't minimum wage but they struggled.

      Peg's shopping was probably all credit related, thus ruining Al's credit score. There was an episode where the dog got a credit card offer and they joked that Al couldn't get a gas card. However this was in the 90's so bankruptcy was a bit looser back then than it is now. They probably filed once, 10 years later, filed again.

      What Al did have was his friends. his neighbors, his NOMAM club and a bit of redpill knowledge. He was pretty much paddling in shit, but he knew how to work a paddle.

      [–]doveenigma13 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      And compared to a lot of men nowadays he had it good. No divorce, peg wasn't running around on him, his kids weren't in prison. It was a stable, fulfilling life, even though he grumbled a lot about it. Al had it better than 90% of men today. At least 90%

      [–]PlanB_pedofile 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      He seemed to also pass Peggy's shit tests. She at least initiated the sex.

      Looking at it with redpill in mind. Al held his house together, had kids, served as advice giver to others.

      Marcy on the otherhand is your typical modern woman. Married a pretty beta .of a first husband. Drove him up the wall so bad that he finally found his balls and divorced her. She was a wealthy career woman but still a awalt. She then had a one night stand with a bartender Jefferson whom she married though he married her for her money, got bossed around a lot. Was the bitch in the relationship.

      [–]g00bins 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Don't forget that in real life the woman who played Marcy is a massive lesbian feminist. Her role on that show was the easiest money ever made because it wasn't even acting.

      [–]redparadigm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      He was pretty much paddling in shit, but he knew how to work a paddle.

      Love that show. And your quote above is a great summary of the situation.

      [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      It's not really lower middle class these days.

      Nowadays a part time waitress and failed actress can afford a big apartment in a major US city if you trust shows like TBBT...

      [–]PlanB_pedofile 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      pussy pass is a strong discount for women. She probably attended the university for a short bit living on the perpetual student loan program. She was also probably daddy's lil girl, borrowing money all the time. She had multiple boyfriends who helped chip in on her expenses. She was also married to Zack who was the Vice President of the company that designs the Cheesecake Factory's menus (as well as other restaurant's menus). They divorced so she could have been getting alimony from him,

      So yea, failed waitress/actress. Living off of student loans, boyfriend support, ex spousal support, daddy support, plus pussy pass discount with the landlord. It's very doable with a vagina.

      [–]Derbi50 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You gotta read between the lines.

      In Hollywood "waitress" was code word for hooker.

      [–]citizenkane66 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      +1. You're absolutely right. I meant his lifestyle is lower-middle class. But to get that "lower middle class lifestyle" today you need a higher than middle class income. I'm guessing minimum $75k for a family of four like his.

      [–]PlanB_pedofile 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I would guess so. Only saving grace I could see is inheriting the house from a dead relative. that could save 10k a year.

      [–]HellhoundsOnMyTrail 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

      That just sounds like a woman who gamed a man very well. If a woman is going to be a housewife she should probably be simultaneously mothering. Otherwise yeah, that's just lazy.

      [–]razorwan 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This sounds like my cousin who is a physician. He pays for his wife and mother-in-law's travel expenses all the time, and the mother HIRES A FUCKING NANNY AND CLEANING MAID while she sits her ass at home just to watch one kid.

      I don't have the heart to tell him that he's setting himself up for disaster.

      [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

      If a woman is going to be a housewife she should probably be simultaneously mothering.

      Not probably. This is really the only reason to take a break from work. Note: Break. Not forever. A 6 year old does not need a stay-at-home mom anymore.

      I do not care if I make more money than my wife. But her sitting at home all day doing nothing is just not acceptable. I do not want a slob.

      [–]NidStyles 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I would rather her stay at home and raise the child. A 6 year old may not need a stay at home mother, but they would certainly benefit from it.

      Yes, I am pro-home-schooling as well.

      [–]PlanB_pedofile 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I encourage mine to take up a volunteer job at the local hospital. It's unpaid work, only 2 days a month, for a 4 hour shift. Gets her out of the house for a bit while me and the kiddo hang out. When the kid gets older and starts schooling, she will have 6 years of technically "working" there for something for her resume.

      [–]nemaxofredpill 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Exactly. And it sounds like the man is a bitch because he didn't make sure to uphold his expectations.

      [–]musclebound92 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I am guessing you have seen Bill Burr's bit about this. If not, look up Bill Burr-Gold Digging Whores. And to add to the gold you just stated, one of the worst parts is, they don't even take care of themselves. So many of them have so much free time, and they just let their bodies go and get fat and disgusting. And yet the man, obligated by marriage, still takes care of her. This infant child in an adult body, with or without kids of her own, with al of this free time, doesn't even have the desire to be attractive to the guy she married who is out working all day to take care of this sedentary lifestyle she has. She doesn't even take care of her appearance for her own sake. Its just disgusting. And to think that some of them, who do not even work, get a fucking Nanny. That absolutely blows my mind.

      [–]Im_not_lonely 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I had an ex that was a 'home maker' for me for a bit. This consisted of sitting on livejournal reading girl power blogs for about 7 hours a day, starting and quitting new hobbies like photography every 7 months. Researching fad diets then deviating from them heavily when it came to actual meal prep, and watching shitty tv on netflix.

      I would come home from work and be assaulted with questions about "what are we doing for dinner?" because she could not cook. So we wound up eating out 5 nights a week, then be broke on the weekends and she would complain we never go do anything. NO SHIT. Because you EAT US OUT OF HOUSE AND HOME by never cooking.

      The rolls switched as I got out of the military and then I was the "home maker"

      my day consisted of going to class until about 2pm getting home about 3, I would take a nap or do homework until about 430 when I would do 30 minutes of cleaning then start dinner by 5 on the table by 6 when she gets home at 530 so she had a half hour to chill out shower, whatever before getting a hot meal PRESENTED to her.

      Ill be honest I fucking LOVED being a home maker. On my days off from class I would surf until about 3 then get home and do my usual half hour of cleaning then hour of food stuff.

      She loved it too, although the provider roll she was in probably fucked wither her head... that or meeting chad thundercock at work. Whatever. Not my problem anymore. Now I am my own home maker, and the place is clean, my food is good, and I can get off whenever I want. Best relationship ever.

      Oh my favorite day of her home making career was when I got home and she presented me some article about how being a white male was playing life on EASY MODE. It made all these comparisons to life and world of warcraft and how white men are basically the best and easiest starting class. I was like "WTF is this shit?" and she said it was in a format I could understand so I could admit I had it easy as a white man. WTF? Seriously? She was living FOR FREE off of all my "Easy" earnings. I was just so insulted I told her to get a job, which immediately made her 'feel' inadequate and 'ruined our relationship because it was abusive' whatever.

      [–]Special Olympianmakethemsayayy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Lol and I'll always trust my life to a white male doctor, because he's there because he worked hard and is good at his job, not some bullshit quota.

      [–]stonepimpletilists 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You set your boundries, and enforce them properly.

      The SAHM syndrom you describe is for people who haven't done this

      [–]LionLaw 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Women have no clue how fucking easy it is to be a stay at home wife, particularly if there are no kids involved.
      It disgusts me that today's women don't even know how to cook or clean the goddam home properly, this is shit I learned of my own will because I thought it would be useful to know.
      What do women feel is important to know?
      Shit like the latest bull from the Kardashits or who Miley Cyrus is fucking.
      These women are absolute trash and completely useless aside from their pussy

      [–]darkstout 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      What disgusts me even more is alimony. A divorced housewife is entitled to huge sums of spousal support to be even more lazy. Did she really "earn" that money during the years of marriage? Hell no. Yet in her mind she is 100% entitled to alimony and any financial assets her husband earned over the course of the marriage. This entitlement every woman seems to have is why I'm never getting married.

      [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      True. The reasoning is that she gave up her career (even if she was a drop out or whatever with no chance of ever making good money) to do housekeeping. So she should be entitled to alimony forever.

      But somehow, this ridiculous reasoning is not applied to the husband: He had a career, so he had no time to learn how to do housekeeping. So his ex should be legally required to clean her ex's apartment forever.

      If the ex-husband fails to pay alimony, he gets jail time.

      If she fails to clean his apartment or house properly, she gets jail time, too. Of course you are considered as insane for even suggesting this. But for the very same reason women get alimony.

      [–]eaton80 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      SAHMs are also a major Lifetime Alimony risk.

      [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I give them a pass if there's young ones in the home. Properly raising a child requires active attention and socialization. I want my child's early education to be handled by the educated woman I've vetted to be the mother, not some nobody with a piece of paper that says they're qualified to do so.

      What the hell does a housewife do if there are no kids at home? She better be running a side business baking.

      [–]The_BeardedGentleman 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

      For my uncle's ex wife it was:

      • wake up at 10am

      • one hour a day at the gym

      • two hours a day at starbucks

      • 30 minutes a day making dinner, but not without a hell of an argument

      • 2 hours a day on a "play date" where kids basically watch themselves with friends while the moms get to hang out with their biffles

      • 1-2 hours a day at barnes and noble or other mall activities

      • the next 6 hours of the day screaming about how unappreciated she is

      [–]puppy2010 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      For my mother the day went like this:

      6am - Get up, make husband breakfast (cereal), go back to bed and either go back to sleep or lie there on her iPad.

      10am - Get out of bed, spend 30 minutes doing her hair then to the local supermarket and pick up some groceries.

      11am - Either go home or go on the computer, or go out to 'ladies lunch' with her friends.

      3pm - Take the dog for a walk around the block.

      3:30pm - Come home, watch TV or go on Facebook. Do a spot of ironing or vacuuming.

      6pm - Put dinner on, usually something grilled or microwaved.

      7-10pm - Watch TV with my dad and cry about how much she's 'unappreciated' and how hard she works.

      [–]GarrusShotFirst 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Women are just adult children.

      [–]stonepimpletilists 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Women are water, which fill up the vessel you make for them with your boundries, value and expectations

      [–]forgtmnot 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Almost any person is qualified to be a stay-at-home 'parent' by doing the bare minimum. Meanwhile being a stay-at-home parent who is invested in their children and owns household responsibilities requires much more than two hours a day.

      Is it 'hard' work? No, not if you are firm on schedules and packing in activities. But it's mind-numbing, very isolating for many at times, and hard to keep one's sanity as the months pass. Beyond the kids it's also about managing the budget and finding ways to minimize expenses to make the most out of the household income.

      [–]Rougepellet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's why we don't married. Marriage is an old thing, existing from back when things were traditional. When house wives had actual hard work to do. When women gave a fuck about their husbands. When hypergamy wasn't encouraged. That era is dead and burried, marriage needs to die with it.

      [–]RP_Vergil 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Besides this, social skills are practically none existent. I noticed that arguments in my big family (nothing serious) always start between housewives. Working women are just more skilled in avoiding conflict.

      Exactly this.

      Woman who have had too much free time bitch about everything that infringe on their "entitlements" or "rights".

      They will be so lazy that doing something they are supposed to do will become a "difficult" task. Other times during social events they would always put down the man in their life trying to claim that they are always "oppressed" because the Man never help them at all in the chores.

      Laziness breeds Bitchiness. Never let your woman be Lazy.

      [–]verifytoi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Woman have it easy and try hard to make people to think it is hard. This world is nothing else than a fool land full of lies everywhere.

      [–]CheesyFedora 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Lol at

      making me a sandwich and dinner and cleaning the house once a week

      You think the average housewife will do even that much? You are out of your fucking mind.

      [–]sprouu 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Only one girl friend ever cleaned for me, and she was angling for a ring....

      Anyway, I drop my laundry off once a week- $20. Even though I have a washer and dryer at home.

      Meals: $30 a day. Even though I can cook. Got to Chipolte, Whole Foods. Get a variety of foods. No waster- buy what I want to eat. No clean up. Save doing doing dishes and cleaning pots and pans.

      Aptartment- 20 mins a day. Time saved from cooking and laundry.....

      Bed's made. Great meal.. Clean place... I need a LTR because...

      Extra time to do what I want- FWB, poker, work out....

      Oh.. I am so worried I will die alone or no one will take care of me when I am sick ;)

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh.. I am so worried I will die alone or no one will take care of me when I am sick ;)

      Like women ever followed wedding vows. They think half of those are for the man and the other half are for the woman.

      The man is expected to take you for poorer, in sickness and whatever.

      The woman is expected to take you for richer and in health.

      [–]_smosbol_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I love my mom because she is my mom, but this is her exactly. She has a teaching job 2 miles from home and therefore a shitload of spare time on her hands, a job she can't get fired from because of our laws here in Western Europe and about 3 months of vacation a year, a car my dad pays for, a cleaning lady and whenever anyone else is around she delegates chores.

      Yet she gets a mental breakdown about once every month, complaining about her overly busy life. It's all about perception really.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorabdada 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

      It disgusts me to see guys fail their wives, families and households by not leading well.

      [–]Frobenioid 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

      It disgusts me to see guys fail their wives, families and households by not leading well.

      Yes, let's blame men for the laziness of housewives. If only men were "alpha" and "held frame" their housewives would be worker bees.

      [–]Brave_Horatius 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Most responsible teenagers in the room.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorabdada 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's exactly what I'm saying, yes.

      Men are at fault for assuming women have the same agency as men.

      [–]Brave_Horatius 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Most responsible teenagers in the room.

      [–]cariboo_j 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I have no obligation or desire to lead a family. In fact, being a "leader" is simply shackling yourself to your obligations. Which is the most dangerous form of slavery. So called family men don't even know they are slaves.

      What disgusts me the most is assuming responsibility for women who have less agency, less responsibility and less gratitude, basically overgrown children, and calling it a praiseworthy thing.

      [–]Chaohinon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm currently seeing a single mother (I know I know I know) who works a grand total of four jobs, and one of my good friends is in a similar spot, albeit married. They bust ass like few people I've met before, no excuses for the lazy ones.

      [–]bacdafucoff 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

      My wife used to be a stay at home but now she works. It was my dream to give her what I wished I could have been able to do and I worked hard to do it. The entire time she was miserable. Fast forward to today where she is over worked and under paid and twice as unhappy and constantly angling to quit working and come back home. And I'm happier than a pig in shit about it. Fuck her and her lack of appreciation and fuck the media too.

      [–]peepeegamer 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

      sounds like a happy marriage

      [–]bacdafucoff 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      It is better now but you're right, for a while it wasn't. My problem with this situation was I was expecting her to understand the sacrifices I was making because I could understand hers. I've learned not to expect that anymore and be fine with it.

      [–]scamper_22 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Fuck, you could explicitly tell her of the sacrifices (been there myself) and she still doesn't think of anything of it, because that's just something you're willing to do for her... because she's a woman.

      [–]bacdafucoff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And that's exactly it. I can say I have learned that it was wrong of me to have that unrealistic expectation but I never fucking knew. I assumed everyone would "just understand" that I was sacrificing my time so they could do any thing with theirs and they would love me for it. I think some guys might know how great that goes.

      [–]Polaris382 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, one of the things I like so much about the girl Im with now is she has a crazy work ethic and absolutely works her ass off. Thats a great trait for a woman to have, and something I consider VITAL to look for in a woman if you're considering getting real serious.

      [–]PlanB_pedofile 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      kids... After having my little one, I realize kids can suck up a full 16-18 hour day with a tiny 20 minute nap here and there. Hoping it gets better by the time they're old enough to go to school.

      But yea, women are generally lazy. Men too! I ask my co-workers what they do when off work, or on the weekends. "play games, watch tv, watch sports" shit I work a 70 hour work week. I GTFO out of town, go mountain biking, go to art galleries, hang out at meetups and hobby clubs. Though the house work does sag quite a bit. I should look into a maid.

      [–]Kashmon777 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      the youth pastor at the church I used to attend was all about men leading etc... really it meant men must lead in domestic duties, his wife never cooked breakfast or lunch or in the weekends... she would cook dinner but expect him to clean up, look after the baby and make dessert while she was on facebook

      he worked all day, would come home and the baby and home were his duty she would even transfer the baby to him and make him change the diaper even though he was busy doing something else...

      during they day she hung out with friends and went for walks

      weekends, husband does all baby care, cleaning and cooking

      when people from church came over, the husband would cook and look after the baby while the wife did NOTHING

      and he was held up as a example for Godly male leadership to teenage guys at our church and others...

      Christian supposed red pillers are the biggest mangina's...

      [–]scamper_22 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      yep. It's pretty much all religions today.

      I come from a Muslim background. Trust me... Islam in the West is the biggest enslaver of men. They take on all the responsibility of men in Islam... and then try and include women's rights.

      So you get a lot of lazy house wives, men focused on masculinity while expecting nothing of woman but to take care of them...

      [–]Surf_Or_Die 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How the fuck can you be a housewife without kids? That's like being a runner without legs.

      [–]juliusstreicher 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I propose that when we are speaking of all the hard work that mothers do, we can leave out "paying bills and finance". That is about an 8-minute job, once a month. Broken down, about 20 seconds a day.

      Hardly ranks with...uh, anything.

      [–]Nebulose11 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Wife is a stay at home mom. There is no way in hell I would trade her for a working slut (Yes, if she is working she is thinking about fucking her boss for a promotion. Who is she? AWALT).

      My 20 month old can do her ABC's, Numbers, match colors and words, tie shoes, knows words in French and English, and a whole hell of a lot more. There is no way on this fucking earth that my kid would be this far in some shitty daycare where she gets an hour of attention during the workday.

      Also this woman keeps my house cleaned up, meals are prepared, and is ready for sex anytime she hears my belt jingle.

      Want to know how to get this? Get rid of cable and the internet at home, they are just distractions and time wasters. Do you really need it there? If she actually needs to look something up she can use the 2g shitphone to take forever and put her off of fucking off with it.

      [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      My 20 month old

      Ding ding ding!

      A 20 month year old needs to be watched all the time. Wait until he/she is 5 year old. Wait until he is 10 years old. Wait until he is 15 years old.

      It won't get better. It will get worse: Workload will reduce drastically and if your wife does not pick up a real hobby or a job, she will get used to a slob life style. She can be a great person, but sitting home all day doing nothing will destroy her on the long run.

      [–]Nebulose11 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      but sitting home all day doing nothing will destroy her on the long run.

      Completely agree with you. I have plans for her and my little growing family.

      Bored is a word I never want to hear uttered.

      [–]The_BeardedGentleman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The wife is reflective of the man. So her being a good stay at home wife is reflective of you being a good husband. Tl;dr good on you man.

      [–]dripred 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

      But then you dip into that faggy blue pill egalitarianism where you are then expected to do half of her chores if she has a career. And no, it's not acceptable for her to hire a maid because the housework is humbling and solidifies her role within the home. Men don't castrate themselves by playing maid for their bitches. I'm sorry but if we're expected to sacrifice our innate sexual strategies by gifting a woman with a monogamous relationship, she better fucking well be making it worth our while around the goddamn clock. That means requisite obedience and subservience. We can easily get pussy without all that personality attached to it. We're unequivocally doing her the favor - do not ever forget it!

      [–]sibeliushelp 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Why would you expect her to do all of the chores when you both work? Lazy fuck.

      [–]dripred 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because it's humbling and women need to do it in relationships to have their roles reinforced.

      [–]ChanThunderwang[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

      But then you dip into that faggy blue pill egalitarianism where you are then expected to do half of her chores if she has a career.

      If you do it right, she still does the chores. Both of my LTRs did the chores, despite we are both studying and I am not giving her money.

      Besides this, chores are fucking easy. You can do this while listening to music and drinking a cold beer. I would rather split this than having her think that her doing 1 hour of unskilled work a day is the same as me having a career making six figures.

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        [–]ChanThunderwang[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

        she feels that this makes her your equal and she will demand to be treated accordingly.

        It's a shit test.

        She might demand this. But what I would actually give her and what she really wants is getting dominated in bed. She will be happier that way, too.

        [–]dripred 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        It goes way beyond the bedroom. She'll have an offensive expectation of equal decision making power in your relationship. She'll think her conclusions about life are as valid and well honed as yours. She will without question expect to have the same rights and privileges you do and you may as well hand her your nutsack in the process. They have to be demeaned if you're going to train them correctly and it makes it infinitely more difficult when they have falsely attained some measure of professional success.

        [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Here is the thing: If she really makes $100.000 a year, chances are that she is not just an adult kid and that her input is not complete bullshit that I have to get out of her head again and again.

        Important is that she respects you.

        I am talking about a hypothetical future wife here. I would obviously not marry her if she would not respect my leadership.

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          [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Should I pretend that making like $40.000 a year is a career just that you are not offended?

          $100.000 a year is not even that much, honestly. It is almost any job that actually requires a master degree plus one promotion.

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            [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            No, sweetie, you are just not good in being sarcastic.

            [–]squirrelcuisine 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

            hahahah I took over for my wife about 10 years ago when her mom was dying. I had 3 kids from friday until sunday.

            2 hours..

            You obviously have never had that role.

            It WAS EXCRUCIATING.

            Just feeding and wiping asses took a ton of time. Nevermind feeding. Cleaning up for them.

            Making food was a huge chore. Cleaning up from that.

            On top of that things I DIDNT do

            1. The laundry
            2. The bills and finances
            3. Food Shopping
            4. any other kind of shopping

            The list went on and on and on.

            but feel free to continue believing the feminist bullshit that stay at home moms "work 2 hours a day"

            that is fucking nonsense.

            Oh and.. if you cant provided for your family on one income.. YOU are the loser.. handle your goddamn business and earn.

            I dont need my wife to work some corporate slavery job and spend her life away from the house

            AND

            i want HER raising my kids not some shithead teenagers at some daycare.

            [–]ChanThunderwang[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I had 3 kids from friday until sunday.

            How many couples have three or more kids?

            Making food was a huge chore. Cleaning up from that.

            Which housewife makes food on their own?

            It is possible to spent more than 4 hours (2 hours was for housewives without kids) a day on this. But most moms will not even spent those 4 hours on doing this.

            [–]squirrelcuisine -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

            in my demographic more than you think. Im in the top 7% of earners so my peers have more children.

            Making food on their own? Mine does, quality is higher and a good cooks prefers doing that. When we were younger we would eat quick stuff but that no longer is the case.

            4 hours? Shit.. it was CONSTANT. You honestly sound JUST like me before I had to handle my kids that one weekend. I was saying the SAME thing.

            oh you just sit around doing nothing. It was constant.. throw in there a dog too. Wow.

            It was amazing.. I thought it would be easier as I got down to a system 3 days in.

            NOPE..

            My job is a million times easier that hers and i am PERFECTLY happy making the money while she locks down the homestead.

            [–]riding_stoned 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            My job is a million times easier that hers and i am PERFECTLY happy making the money while she locks down the homestead.

            No, you're drawing the wrong conclusion here. Raising children for a man is harder than working his regular job. We are not blessed with a great deal of patience and our high testosterone levels make the job even more frustrating.

            But women have a much easier time with it then men. They have less ambition, less testosterone, more patience, a more nurturing instinct.

            It would be more accurate to say that the genders find different sorts of work easy and hard.

            [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

            My job is a million times easier that hers

            Now THIS is exactly what feminists want you to believe.

            [–]TheThingsIThink 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            yeah. I had 4 brothers and was the oldest. Who was responsible for the day in, day out monitoring of the younger ones? Me. not my mom. we would just play outside all day.

            [–]GoldPisseR 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

            If she works , she'll be in close contact with a lot of men and inevitably she'll cheat.Just saying so you keep this in mind

            She spends more time with her hot project manager and is on a fucking adventure with him , temptation is bound to happen.

            [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I know a housewife in my own family (blood related to me, so I did not tell her husband) who probably cheated.

            Happened like this:

            She meets with her other housewife friends to hang out. One of them brings her brother. Man gave number to her. They texted. They met. Her son (my cousin) saw him waiting for her in front of their house. He called her out. She said he is just a friend. They stopped seeing each other.

            For sure, he was not just a friend...

            If a woman is not sexually attracted to her husband anymore, she will find a way to cheat.

            [–]GoldPisseR 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Wrong, I see women cheating who are quite happy with their husbands too.

            Being in such close vicinity of attractive members of opposite sex daily isn't going to work in a relationship.

            Sure they'll show restrain but in a moment of emotional weakness they'll let go and thats all it takes to end yrs of relationships.

            Come on man , people who work together identify with each other a lot better.Similar struggles and professional goals.Pretty natural that they'll fuck

            [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Cheating is a always a possibility.

            You named a view things that make cheating on the workplace more likely. But there are also factors that make it less likely. I personally for example would never flirt with a woman on my workplace. Just not worth the risk.

            [–]scamper_22 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yeah, I actually thought of this long before TRP or The Red Pill.

            I wanted a girl that works. Not like a career high salary woman. But just some one with a job (40-60k). I just didn't see the household being all that much to do. I've cooked/cleaned for myself. It's barely an hour or two per day of pretty relaxing work. I also didn't picture myself as the kind of guy who would be able to actually make use of a housewife. Like demand a great dinner, super clean house, nicely ironed shirts...

            She needs to contribute to the household. Otherwise, she'd just be getting lazy at home doing nothing, or worse, actually spending money going out or doing things for other people, while I'm at work.

            On top of that, if you do get divorced, at least she has her own income, so hopefully you won't get totally fucked. The state has built up all these things and unless you plan to fight them, you might as well get some of the advantages. Most women don't take child rearing seriously enough today. In my view, you spent 20 years learning to get a job, you might as well do one. You didn't spend 20 years learning to be a great house wife/mother. You might as well put the kids in a professional setting like a Montessori or whatever especially since you both work.

            This is not ideal, but in my view, it's better than the alternative.

            [–]leodoestheopposite 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I live alone in a 3 BR house (this is where I lived when I was married, this is where I still stay, long story), I am busy with work and stuff, and I cook all of my meals.

            I clean enough day-by-day, I try not to make too much of a mess; I do my own laundry once a week, and I have a service that comes in once every 2 weeks for 3 hours to do a more thorough cleaning for $50.

            Life is grand!

            [–]mojo_juju 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Surely, if I will get married (maybe in a decade or two), I will marry a woman who works. I would rather hire a maid with the double income.

            Get the best of both worlds:

            Step 1: Interview maids.

            Step 2: Hire a hot one (or more).

            Step 3 (optional): Get to know her

            Step 4: Bang her.

            [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I would really be okay with marrying if it wasn't for this, I study to become a software engineer and programming is not as easy as washing dishes or making lunch, and who doesn't like stability, a loving and obedient wife and a clean house, but I now know that I can't find this in 2015's brain washed world, women now Are sure that they're more important than men, and that you working and providing is your duty but her having sex with you and making food is a privilege she will give you the first 10 years max if you're the Alpha, then it'll start going

            Wait until virtual reality gets popular and men stop marrying just because it's a custom. It wouldn't surprise me if marriage becomes mandatory like military service in some countries.

            [–]Special Olympianmakethemsayayy -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I really don't understand it. She doesn't have to have sex with you, cleaning and cooking are just patriarchal slavery...so what do you do sweetheart? why would I provide you? You do literally nothing for me and I'm not entitled to a thing for my efforts? It's like volunteering to give some bitch all your stuff for free.

            [–]GarrusShotFirst -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Lazy, yes. But give it up to her, she's gamed and played this chump well. When she cheats on him, and she will, he'll have to look at how his Pussy on a Pedestal mindset played a role on her cheating and the eventual coal racking and alimony from the divorce.

            [–]ChanThunderwang[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Cheating is not even the usual. They are too much of a shut in. Really, it is not good for a human to be all day at home.

            An aunt of mine thinks waiting for an amazon package is a stressful day. "Damn, tomorrow I am waiting for amazon. Hope they will deliver tomorrow, otherwise I have to wait another whole day..."

            This is actually the worst imo. What can you do with such a woman? She won't cheat on you, probably. At least this is not the main issue. But camping in the forest with her over the weekend? Forget it. Too much out of the comfort zone for a woman who thinks waiting for amazon is stressful.

            [–]GarrusShotFirst 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            lol, hahaha. So true. Fucking utterly useless.

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              [–]mikesteane 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Do you speak for the whole of red pill? While most redpillers do recommend never marrying, there is a whole married red pill subreddit.

              [–]disniggatrollin -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Tl;Dr women are lazy and only do "the right thing" when it benefits them actively and only until it stops benefitting them. In other news, wind blows, California is dry, and Chicago gets really cold.

              Read the sidebar and some content, bro.

              [–]GMUwhat1234 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              no wonder they cheat on their hubbies so much.

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