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The mods of /r/conspiracy are deleting all posts which attempt to expose payments from an 9/11 truth organization to one of their moderators. My perms were removed so I could not stop the payola.[META] (self.undelete)

AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus が 投稿

Censored-https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3kwle0/until_the_mod_team_of_this_subreddit_and_the/

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I wish to provide a brief review of what has happened regarding this situation and where I am currently at in the process of determining what exactly was occurring.

On Friday, flytape uncovered a trove of publicly flied tax documents which provide a direct link between AE911 Truth and the 0rganization to which the moderator works.

As a result of this information coming to light Friday evening, I made the decision to write up this[1] post, explaining what had been found and removing the mod in question until we were able to review the situation (there is always a danger of when a mod is burned from a given subreddit, they go into the css and such and ruin the sub).

The post was hit with some fast downvotes, so I put a motion to sticky to my fellow mods.

I did not get a response for 30 minutes.

In that interim, I received a message from someone who was able to let me know that the group who worked on reddit under the auspices of "911blogger" had found out the tax records had leaked, and were mobilizing.

At this point, I stickyed the post on my own accord.

Instantly (within a few minutes), /u/soverignman [2] took that opportunity to PM an inactive top mod (sarah_connor) and pray on him, in order to have my perms revoked.

We are not sure what drew Soverignman to make this unfortunate choice, although we believe he is driven by a desire to protect the 911 truth movement. This is noble and he has my respect (for now).

As of now, the redsdit admins have been emailed the source documents regarding the claims presented above and we defer all questions to them.

With my regards and thanks for your patience during this shitstorm,

AATA

End Note: We will need to have a serious discussion about how this sub is being moderated. It is entirely inappropriate that soverignman was able to email a top mod and have my perms revoked over the weekend in order to protect AE911 truth. That is repugnant and offensive.

I am working with the admins directly, and I will uncover each and every account related to this AE911 truth "payola" ring. Let me make something very clear to anyone listening; if you take money to be on reddit, I will find you and I will stop you. I don't care what cause you support.

This is what I have to deal with on the subreddit I fucking helped make into what it is today?

This is bullshit.

I get no support from the admins in this shit?

I'm livid.

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[–]1upforever 106ポイント107ポイント  (7子コメント)

Oh, the irony of /r/conspiracy having paid shills...

[–]Gonzzzo 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a conspiracy theory enthusiast who despises the baseless tin-foil nonsense & I had to unsubscribe a long time ago because of how straight up delusional the vast majority of people in /r/conspiracy are. I usually approach conspiracies as a open-minded skeptic looking for logic & evidence, and because of that I was called a government/corporate shill dozens of times. I thought it was funny at first, but it seriously just became "not participating in the circle-jerk = paid shill and/or psy-ops"

It's a sub that's been flirting with absolute paranoid schizophrenia for a very long time. I can just imagine all the heads that are exploding now that paid shills have actually been uncovered...and the fact that they're '9/11 truther' shills is quite possibly the most delicious irony I've ever experienced on reddit...

[–]frankenmine 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd expect government shills, but not private, on /r/conspiracy. Then again, I don't know what this private group's agenda is, and who's funding them. The trail may lead to the government... or a government.

[–]BrodaTheWise 44ポイント45ポイント  (5子コメント)

I support your crusade against those who accept money to censor/support certain content on Reddit

However, I am not convinced that a conspiracy mod has accepted payment, it seems more likely they just belong to the AE911 organization and their biases are reflected through their moderation.

[–]Flytape 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is exactly it.

[–]axolotl_peyotl 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am not convinced that a conspiracy mod has accepted payment, it seems more likely they just belong to the AE911 organization

My gut says this, but we'll see I guess.

[–]Flytape 34ポイント35ポイント  (11子コメント)

Hi people,

Obviously I'm flytape as mentioned in the OP.

The deal is that I was being subjected to a cyclical witch hunt by users who all appeared to hail from AE911, I don't know or care if they really are from AE911 or if they are just trolls pretending to be that. The only thing I care about is that as the mod team repeatedly dealt with these users we were repeatedly blocked by a specific mod (all mods in conspiracy have a vote) and thus the problems were unnecessarily dragged out time and time again.

This is why I initially started investigating AE911. In my investigation I found testimony from AE911 insiders who witnessed a soft takeover from a group of people who appeared to own 911blogger.com that's when I began to look into 911blogger and discovered that 911blogger was also taken over under similar circumstances and that the mod in question is a co-owner of 911blogger LLC.

the other half of that co-ownership is financially connected to AE911 and even has some other ventures that actually get grants issued to them from AE911.

I see this as a simple conflict of interest, one that I'm not okay with.

That all being said there is no reason to burn down France over the weekend when the mod team had already agreed to wait until today (Monday) to make a choice together about what to do.

Unfortunately AssuredlyAMagicUnicorn decided to burn down France and has got himself into a sticky situation.

To be clear, the mod in question was a co-owner of 911blogger before they were elected by the community to be a mod. So this isn't a case of 911blogger or AE911 paying off a mod. This is a case of a mod getting elected who had preexisting associations with an organization and can't seem to overcome that bias when dealing with people that appear to hail from that organization.

There was also an issue of a link being posted to AE911s store page that looks like guerilla marketing and a link to a donation drive for a different org that also seemed inappropriate.

At the end of the day /conspiracy doesn't officially endorse any one particular 911 conspiracy theory and it really shouldn't.

I certainly am not okay with /conspiracy being turned into an advertising platform for AE911 in the same manner that 911blogger was... and potentially by the same people.

[–]axolotl_peyotl 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

The deal is that I was being subjected to a cyclical witch hunt by users who all appeared to hail from AE911

While you certainly were targeted, they definitely were witch hunting the entire /r/conspiracy mod team.

I got the sense (a la Goldberg) that they were being provocateurs attempting to sow discord and besmirch AE911truth (and therefore all skeptical investigations into 911).

I'm inclined to believe this is the same group that faked the Richard Gage AMA last year.

AssuredlyAMagicUnicorn

lol

[–]DukeOfGeek 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You actually went and looked up tax records? Respect.

[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm inclined to believe this is the same group that faked the Richard Gage AMA last year.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the flordia situation makes anything clear, O's "outrage" over that fake ama is a hint that he and friends were behind it.

Dude, this smells like DoD.

I'm out.

[–]jmerc83 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will take up your torch and continue to fight the DoD.

[–]controlled-demo-wtc -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

this is the same group that faked the Richard Gage AMA last year.

YOU faked the richard gage ama. Not coincidentally, you keep blaming others for your set up of Richard Gage.

I've been up your mod asses for at least a month trying to ensure a successful 9.11.01 anniversary.

Not surprisingly, it is once again the mods of /r/conspiracy who fuck up the anniversary again (Hitler sidebar and fake Richard Gage ama last year).

I fight for the victims who cannot speak.

The /r/conspiracy mod team is once again attempting to distract.

You guys are too obvious with your witch hunts. WE GET IT, several mods want to ruin the 911 truth movement on reddit.com.

It's also funny that you blame those who pointed out that you didn't verify fake richard gage as the perps of the richard gage fake ama.

You're manipulation of current events is more proof that you are guilty of setting up the fake richard gage ama.

[–]bigbowlowrong 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never change, the more truthers like you the better.:3

[–]ParanoidFactoid 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

To be clear, the mod in question was a co-owner of 911blogger before they were elected by the community to be a mod. So this isn't a case of 911blogger or AE911 paying off a mod. This is a case of a mod getting elected who had preexisting associations with an organization and can't seem to overcome that bias when dealing with people that appear to hail from that organization.

Question: Did this mod disclose his affiliation prior to joining the mod team? If not, why not? Especially considering you believe his later decisions to be biased WRT the organization he holds a prior affiliation with.

[–]Flytape -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

No

[–]ParanoidFactoid 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's an interesting partial answer. That he did not willingly disclose his affiliation prior to applying for mod doesn't concern you?

[–]Flytape -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

It absolutely concerns me, which is why I brought this into the light.

[–]ParanoidFactoid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What would happen in a financial institution, or law office, or other business partnership, if one joined a firm without openly disclosing a prior conflict during the interview and hiring process?

I think you know the answer here. It's fundamentally dishonest to not disclose.

[–]Balthanos 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Huh, good thing I sub here. I wasn't aware of this. I think this needs to be discussed by the /r/conspiracy community.

[–]bigbowlowrong 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes. Yes it does.

*straightens out popcorn bag, heads to microwave*

[–]Balthanos 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe it's time to throw that thing away. You've been keeping it for a while. Look, it's all crumpled up, and there's only unpopped kernels in the bottom.

[–]bigbowlowrong 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like the unpopped kernels. I crush them between my molars

[–]ThisVersionOfMyself 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

/u/sovereignman?

[–]SovereignMan 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

See Flytape's comment earlier. I pretty much agree with it.

The only difference is that, apparently, any financial ties between 911Blogger and AE911Truth occurred in 2013 which I think was prior to the mod in question becoming a mod here. They weren't directly tied either. It was just that one of the owners of 911Blogger also had another group named 911 Information Foundation and that was the one that received financial support from AE911Truth. It may give the appearance of impropriety even if it isn't so must be dealt with.

Hopefully, the mod team will finalize any decisions to be made about that mod and AATA's taking unilateral actions without team approval and his misrepresentation of some of the facts in this post.

[–]theamazingroberto 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

bullshit like this belongs in SRD

[–]diyorgasms 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah it does!

/me grabs popcorn

[–]MILK_DUD_NIPPLES 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love Johnny Hobo

[–]diyorgasms 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congrats on being maybe the sixth ever person to make that connection.

[–]iateone 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

One thing I hate about posts like these is they hide the actual removals that are occurring while this post is #1 for the next 16 hours.

[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, it's not like this removal happens to typify payola on reddit or something!

That's just irrational!

[–]loki_racer 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why did you use a zero in the work Organization?

[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

typo

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[–]ParanoidFactoid 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

I only wish you'd have seen corruption by Worldnews mods instead. Regardless, it doesn't instill confidence in moderator objectivity site wide.

This is the best thing that could have happened to you. Continue on from the outside. My sense is that inside you were forced to compromise your ethics, and only when you took a stand were you ejected.

[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

My sense is that inside you were forced to compromise your ethics, and only when you took a stand were you ejected.

I'm getting this feeling, but their ejection plan is failing ;)

[–]IBlameMyMother 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

Seeing as you have no permissions in either r/conspiracy or r/worldnews I'm hereby petitioning u/cojoco to remove your flair, as you cannot help moderate either subreddit.

I'm sure both places feel a certain amount of embarrassment through being associated with you.

[–]cojoco 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Okay he's now emeritus

[–]IBlameMyMother 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He will never be a professor emeritus though.

[–]Br00ce 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Admins should ban the site like they did with quickmeme

[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This....

/u/drunken_economist, c'mon now bro!

[–]IBlameMyMother -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Shut up fritzly, no one cares.

[–]Br00ce 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

rude

[–]IBlameMyMother 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

rude

But correct.

[–]Br00ce 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

it has upvotes so some people care

[–]IBlameMyMother -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Must be a brigade. It's the only sane and reasonable explanation.

[–]cawlmecrazy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And people called you a shill.

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[–]emr1028 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

LOL

[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

IKR.

After all this, this is where it ends up.

Shit.

[–]emr1028 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's damn funny to watch, keep it up.

[–]bigbowlowrong 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never give up, bro. All of TMOR and SRD is rooting for you

[–]teachbirds2fly 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Out of curiosity anyone know the state of the truther movement at mo? Last I checked it had fractured off into loafs of crazy groups "no planers" etc... it can't still be going strong?

[–]bigbowlowrong 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. Go to http://trends.google.com

  2. Type in "9/11 truth"

  3. Press Enter

  4. Laugh.

[–]cycophuk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are these the same people that made the 9/11: Decade of Deception documentary?

[–]Bertrum -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like this validates all the long held assumptions of conspiracy theorists in that they revel in their own worlds and want there to be conspiracies so badly that they'll even make their own to prove a point even if it means defeating their own logic. And that they have the minds of infantile children.

[–]jmbarlow -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well this is going right to the top of my "Things I don't give a shit about" list.

[–]AssuredlyAThrowAwayworldnews&conspiracy emeritus[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

...he says as he comments about the post in a meta sub with 44k users?

[–]lastresort08 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like /u/SovereignMan just got protective of his organization.

Other than the fact that both those organizations are connected, why exactly does this worry you? Do you believe they are a threat? If not, why is this such a big deal? /u/SovereignMan might have simply not wanted his organization to be targeted by /r/conspiracy users, and so he did what he could. However, I don't even understand why they were targeted in the first place.

Yes, they are linked but is there something sinister to worry about necessarily?