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[–]oj109 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

TL;DR2

Populist, well intentioned but badly thought out 6th form debating club politics highlighting the tragically widespread economic illiteracy of today.

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

thanks for saying it was well intentioned mate. made the rest less sharp. so what would an economic literate savvy like you do to benefit uk?

[–]mush01Northerner in London 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

This looks like the sort of manifesto they find after a school shooting

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

thanks for the constructive reply and thanks for taking time to read it all and present some of your policy ideas. britain has a bright future ahead le reddit army!!!

[–]Quagers 6ポイント7ポイント  (12子コメント)

Ohh jesus, it just kept going.

There are some very odd things in here but a few things jump to mind.

How stuff like "just build a new car manufacturer that competes with BMW" would be paid for?

You might find that those pen pushers in the NHS are actually doing something and people who became a doctor's to treat people aren't too keen to spend their days negotiating supply contracts for bedpans.

I wish I had the time and suitable device to do a proper tear down but alas I'm on mobile at work.

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Paid for by the billions owed by google and others. The savings in going full nuclear and stop paying russian for gas. That over the course on 1 year alone amounts to money both BMW and mercedes operating expense. you can jesus all you want bro, but theres a lot of money in this country which "but but how will this get paid for" is used by the uneducated.

Stopping the country bleeding money from both abuse and malpractice will free up billions a year. its mentioned in the whole thing just read it all and critique.

edit:// thats the point of the government sourcing the NHA materials, no "supply contracts" needs to bedpans. they will be given it no overpricing. and ofc those who become doctors to treat people dont want to do that specific thing. im talking about general over seeing. you think jeremy hunt is negotiating bedpans? and the leader of the gmc who has to run it is a doctor (prof) so they are other medical groups where the person in charge is a doctor. hospitals need to be run by people and managers who above all prioritise healthcare not government targets.

so good luck "tearing down" when you get home bro. if i had more time i would flesh out and spoon feed you literally everything with the counter arguments and lead you to a conclusion which is thought could have been reached aka CUT WASTE and you get left over money.

[–]Quagers 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

Paid for by the billions owed by google and others.

A) this money doesn't exist,

B) your plans including factories, car companies, coal mines, nhs etc. Are going to cost a hell of a lot more than that.

Opex is one thing but you are talking about setting up from scratch that's a whole different level. The Capex requirements would be huge and you'd have to plan to not be profitable for at least 5-10 years.

You cannot expect a comprehensive critique of a document that long in the middle of the day. And I doubt anyone will bother, there are too many obvious holes which can be pointed out its not even worth attacking the thing as a whole, which would be difficult anyway since it isn't that coherent a position except for the theme of massive massive state intervention almost to the point of a central planning.

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

Explain how the money doesnt exist? Making people pay the tax they SHOULD be lawfully paying (closing loopholes so they cant hide it) should not exist? So you dont want big companies to pay tax they should be paying on uk profits which climbs into the billion?

b) ofc they are going to cost a "hell of a lot" more than that. but they will no be set up "from scratch". they are already factories which can house equipment which just need labour and retooling. the coal mins just need reopening and infrastructure. And im including ONE CAR COMPANY, which will be based off of teslas model which will not be as costly as you think. and ofc they will not be profitable for the first years, you need trade deals and agreements in place for purchasing the products. note that this is only talking about the car and coal company, not NHS since its not a business. the nuclear power plants and reduced telecomms prices will allow the overheads of the factories to be lower than they will have ever been in the 21st century so the bleed on profit will no be as harsh as you think.

the point of this post was to get people thinking aside from the "too many immigrants shut the doors" and to see where money CAN AND WILL come from and how we can change society for the better of everyone. instead of coming with an attitude of improvement you represent, sadly, the type I despise the most. no offence bro. the "ah you made mistake here". you could have actually typed an IMPROVEMENT positively on how to make something WORK instead of how its doomed to fail.

We are here today in modern day era because someone somewhere, against the odds, said "yes" when people like you said no. There's so much waste of money and efficiency in the country which can pull BILLIONS from a QUICK fix, yes quick fix. But camerons knows if he does this his boys club wont be happy. Are you not bothered by the bigger issue? Nope. This is just MY OPINION ofc im asking people what they would do to FIX something. you could have said: "actually, your plans are wrong, this is the best way to do it" and id be fine by that. im interested to here why your mentality is to attack rather than reinforce?

[–]Possiblyreef 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ok so I'm Google, i happen to reside in your country because tax rates are good. I might only pay 1% tax which is lower than it should be but 1% of a fuck load is still money. Hypothetically let's say £250million

Then you enact your policies and come to our hq and demand we pay £3bn because that's what we should do.

Do you think it's cheaper to move country and pay a small amount somewhere else or stay in your country paying quite a lot every year.

It's basically playing jenga and seeing how ballsy you can get with your moves. Until it all falls over

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

i know that and my point is, so youre just going to let someone not pay 2.75 billion (money thats taken from how much theyve made in uk alone) because youre afraid they might run off with a cheaper mistress down the road? the uk economy is worth too much for google to just "go somewhere cheaper".

[–]Possiblyreef 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

So again sticking with the hypothetical model which would be a legitimate model.

I as Google decide to move country. Now you have not only lost the £250m you were collecting in tax you've also just made 20,000 people redundant. Being Google a lot of these people were highly skilled IT folk earning good money but also paying quite a nice chunk of change. So now are you not only not getting Googles tax you're also not getting tax from the 20,000 other people.

So now Google is gone you've either gone after other companies or they have jumped before pushed. You've just lost Amazon, clancy docwra, Barclays, santander, BAE etc etc. So now there are 100,000s of highly skilled people not paying tax and you're expected to provide for.

All this is hypothetical ofc but it's realistic to expect if something like that did happen

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you think that all those people who have highly skilled staff earning them billions are just going to hypothetically jump ship because they want to do illicit activities and risk lowering the integrity of their brand by not paying taxes? highly skilled people are not easy to come by just like that. and they can enjoy going to another country and not enjoy in UK profits and our strong currency. they will not risk losing the £ over paying chump change to them when they are looking at net profits of 14 bill

[–]Quagers 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You just have no concept of the astronomical sums of money you are talking about. Those coal mines haven't done anything for 20 years, at this point they are just holes in the ground, many of which are probably dangerously unsafe. The cost of reopening and modernising them would be astronomical, plus once you have them open you would be subsidising their loses because they wouldn't be profitable, there's a reason they closed and it wasn't just because Maggie hated miners.

A car company isn't a building. Great you've got an empty warehouse, do you also have modern production line machinary? trained workers? a bin full of car designs with safety testing approval ready to go? A ready made brand? Dealerships? Tesla is a horrible example, they lose money on every car they sell, if anything they prove my point.

It may sound like I'm just focusing on specific things, and I am, but that's because there is so much wrong it's hard to cover it all and easier to just deal in examples. The schemes you suggest are just not feasible, to make them work you would effectively have to create a centrally planned economy and wind up the magic money printing presses.

There may be a bit of money in corporate tax avoidence but collecting it is fiendishly tricky and even if you got it all it wouldn't even put a dent in your spending plans.

As a piece of advicr it's far easier to focus on incremental improvements, you can come up with specific well researched plans that make sense and are actually achievable.

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

There IS a modern production line and there IS machinery and there ARE trained workers. thats my point. ford had the biggest car production factory and assembly line in EUROPE and then left up and descaled with thousands going unemployed, and some moved over to their new place. if we cant build it, as you keep saying, it can be bought. the whole expanse is just lying there rotting. its cheaper than you think is what i am saying. and dont compare 20 years and thatcher era to now. the demand for coal in india and china is sky rocketing due to energy needs AND metal production (and in the modern scientific era you can do 100 more things with coal now that you couldnt do or even have the tech to refine it back then cba listing them for you not the place). So it can make a profit. And we have engineering who CAN make it safe. you think its a good idea to just let men down an unsafe hole? no make the hole safe first. they would be profitable now. you keep overlooking how huge shifting to nuclear power is for the country allowing us to sell more northern oil abroad and not spending on importing energy.

[–]Quagers 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Simple question, if coal mines in the UK would be profitable why hasn't anyone opened one?

The whole reason coal mines in the UK closed is because they weren't suited to modernisation. We have deep thin seams of coal which are uneconomic to mine with machinary compared to other parts of the world where you literally just dig a big hole in the ground.

This, like many of your other suggestions is based on a complete lack of understanding of the situation.

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

you think the UK government want to pay money into something which requires effort? its simple, we've had a services based conservative government that do not care about industry, only about pulling the rich in and making cuts to the poor and middle classes. they were closed because demand did not fit the supply.

Ill give another simple question. Why havent the government made sure that all tax and loop holes are closed, which can get billions in and be cheaper than opening coal mines? they dont care.

[–]Quagers [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Here's a funny idea, companies can do things without the government. If coal mines are as profitable as you claim then a company should have come along and started one.

Ill give another simple question. Why havent the government made sure that all tax and loop holes are closed, which can get billions in and be cheaper than opening coal mines? they dont care.

Actually they have done a reasonable job of closing the tax gap, but it isn't easy. It's not a case of saying "no more loop holes" and they all disappear. Why haven't you started a business and become a millionaire?

[–]FrankehSouth East [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'd rather stick my dick in a plug socket than vote for what you proposed.

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

cheaper cost of living, NHS not struggling, better education where kids are taught life skills, more jobs for brits and and fairer benefit system.. hope you dont have a 4 hour wait... oh wait what your manhood fits those small plug sockets? as you were.

[–]HPBDurham 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

What if I don't think Britain is Broken ?

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

Then you have nothing to complain about and can live happy enjoying BBQs in the summer and the smell of rain on the pavement. And you can enjoy 4 hours hospital waits, month long MRI scans, flagrant abuse of benefits and multinationals dodging tax whilst enjoying your nice pension. but each to their own my comrade.

But then you probably live somewhere where you dont have those problems. Thats the point of a divided society, it should be equal throughout.

[–]HPBDurham 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Then you have nothing to complain about

As a rule in life, I try and do this. Try it.

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm not complaining but suggesting how to improve. By your logic if your house floods and your family are in danger, dont complain just drown in silence? Nope.

[–]HPBDurham 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

No. I have my servants pump out the water.

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

and you're paying them living wage right?

[–]HPBDurham 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well...they're still alive so...

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

then you are legally allowed to have servants, enjoy them.

[–]Possiblyreef 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Thats the point of a divided society, it should be equal throughout.

There is already something like this. It's called communism and it doesn't work

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

no its not. someone living in a bubble away from problems enjoying life whilst someone else is suffering like a slave. making it so that the person isnt a slave anymore is not communism.

[–]Possiblyreef 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

So everyone is living in a bubble?

Also you might want to look up the definition of slave

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

whats wrong with the definition of slave? just because there are no cotton fields and a whip with death in tow for lack of working, which is the assumption im making about YOUR VERSION of "slave", doesnt mean slavery doesn't exist still today in UK and the civilised world.

[–]Quagers [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, yes it does. (Outside of some isolated cases involving illegal immigrants and gang masters).

[–]hadhad69SCOTCHLAND 2ポイント3ポイント  (12子コメント)

Shouldn't you be at school? You can't make subreddits with 2 characters btw.

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

Fixing Broken Britain (UK) - /r/uK a new political party - i cant have uk" ? I dont want /r/UK im just calling it that for convenience.

[–]hadhad69SCOTCHLAND 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Are you on drugs?

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Unless happiness is a drug mate. Oh but I would legalise weed and decriminalise it and tax it.

[–]hadhad69SCOTCHLAND 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Legalised and decriminalised? Lucky us!

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

would you not decriminalise and legalise weed? its less dangerous to health than smoking, and it stops the black market sales and gang cultures of weed. it also allows "clean weed" to get on the market instead of fattened weed which contains chemical and other random rubbish to sell it at the required weight.

would you rather have your kid smoke legal weed, clean or dirty illegal weed? (of course no weed smoking is best option). and the extra money brought in by taxing weed can be put back into social care of rehabilitation of drug addicts. if youre not going to stop them taking the drugs in the first place, talking weed here, you might as well clean it and decriminalise weed. im talking weed btw not cocaine etc..

[–]hadhad69SCOTCHLAND -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Decriminalised and legalised have different meanings was my point.

Dirty illegal weed? In over a decade of smoking I've never come across weed laced with lead or glass or anything else.

You're full of ideas but many of them are malformed. Eg American style supermax hell prisons? What planet are you on!

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

when you make something legal are you not decriminalising it? and im not talking about lead or glass bro. and the prison thing is legit. you either send people to prison and they learn to never go back, or you put them with others so they get contacts, give them food that not even most homeless in britain get, and free gym so they get stronger and get out with a contact list.ofc you can turn the blind eye since nothing bad had happened to you, that doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

[–]hadhad69SCOTCHLAND -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Decriminalised means it is still illegal but the punishments are not enforced or are very relaxed. Legalised means you can do it freely, quite different. What substances are you talking about that's in this weed then if not lead and glass adulterants?

Keeping people in isolation as you describe is a breach of human rights law. What you're describing is this daily mail view of prison in the UK - undoubtedly there are problems but they won't be solved by 'cracking down' more education in prison would be a good thing. Prison is to rehabilitate and punish, not to dehumanise people.

Homeless people in the UK can get help, the problem is they are mentally ill, substance addicts who cannot cope with the day to day running of a home and therefore end up on the streets. More can be done there too, but not at the price of turning prisons into some medieval hell.

Finally, you don't know me and my life experiences so how about coming up with a counter argument instead of falling back on that lazy retort.

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Talking about tobacco.

And yes I know keeping people in "isolation" is a breach of human rights, and no its not a daily mail view since I dont read it "you dont know me life exp blah blah - lazy retort" comes to mind. Im speaking from the basis of someone that knows a prison guard and what prisoners in UK are allowed to have. Free food and free gym because "human rights." IMO murderers and rapists are not human, and i would see if something happened to you in regards to them to try champion their human rights. I wouldnt.

Ofc prison is there to rehab and PUNISH. no dehuminse. but giving people conditions better than what life on the street is normal for them is not punishing them. i personally know people that going back to prison is bragging rights for them.

and yes the homeless can get help, not all of them have access to it. and btw not all homeless people are "mentally ill" or "drug addicts". some have ran away from abusive homes or have lost everything and have had no support structure in place to prevent them from socially collapsing.

Making sure prisoners dont get a "free ride" in prison, and trust me some do, is not a medieval hell. to someone who sees hell, stabbing shooting gang culture drug abuse daily on the streets, prison is nothing to them.

And I put your words right back at you verbatim. you also dont know me and my life exp, so how about not using lazy retorts? "shouldnt you be at school". Hypocrisy is not fun bro. :)

[–]ChuzaUzarNaimUnited Kingdom 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

No.

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

so you dont want to fix the NHS which has doctors under immense pressures, or the education system which is training our kids to pass exams instead of lifestyles? Or reduce cost of living for your fellow brit? Kay bro.

[–]gazzthompsonNorfolk 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

TL:DR

[–]worldmadmoonbetterEngland[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

tl:dr nuclear power stations; cheaper electricity cheaper everything. make more factories, makes mores jobs more industry. reduce import export tax, close all tax loopholes claw money from multinationals. renationalise services. build more affordable houses, brick built. better public transport, skyrail, trams etc. let teachers teach, teach more lifestyle at schools (cooking etc) shove badkids to military/ jobs. fix the nhs by stopping abuse and making it efficient, no more check boxes and red tape. stopping benefit abuse, turning cash into voucher to redeem. give perk to tax payers, make uk passport impossible for non brit borns, implement id cards. reopen coal mines and export it, export our oil more. make megaprisons where criminals LITERALLY rot and dont make them on social clubs for criminals.