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[–]YouAreAGoat [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Jeremy Corbyn is to appoint a special Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse bitter criticism over his anti-Semitic links. The shadow frontbench post will also be to push the interests of other religious and ethnic minorities. But the move backfired tonight after prominent Jewish figures branded it an insult as it treated them like “an alien race”.

Wow.

[–]MissAndWrist [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

As it says there, meant to be a religious and ethnic minorities post. Perhaps he hoped it would smooth tensions, but those comments are baseless.

[–]YouAreAGoat [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Of course, this is the Sun's spin on it. But Jewish Chronicle editor is tweeting that it was briefed to him by Corbyn's team as a Minister for Jews.

Edit: here's a link to the Tweet

[–]MissAndWrist [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I see. Well that's embarassingly bad PR then.

[–]99in99Vote Corbyn for peace and to end austerity & climate change [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

As long as he also appoints a minister for muslims, I don't see a problem with it. It would demonstrate his even-handed approach to the Middle East conflict.

[–]CarpeCyprinidae [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I demand a minister for bacon to defend the pork products trade from the influence of the new ministers for particular religions with a history of vicious anti-porcine prejudices

[–]emperorhirohito [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Furthermore ministers for Christianity and Sikhism? They are religions as well.

[–]usrname422015 = worst year for centre-left ever? [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He's not going to call it "Minister for Jews". I'm sure he's not that stupid.

[–]YouAreAGoat [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

BREAKING: John #McDonnell has been named as the new Shadow Chancellor under Jeremy #Corbyn's Cabinet

grabs popcorn

[–]volunteer24601Waiting to be purged [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

John McDonnell was sacked by Ken Livingstone for being too left-wing

Let that sink in

[–]DriveIn8 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Interesting. I can see the thinking here - after the mandate that he got from the party, surely he has earned the right to have his #1 choice as Shadow Chancellor. It is going to piss off a lot of other people though...

[–]KeyUsernamePie [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

This is more insane than I ever imagined

[–]MobyDobie [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

John McDonnell comments on the IRA: "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA." He later said that the "deaths of innocent civilians in IRA attacks is a real tragedy, but it was as a result of British occupation in Ireland. Because of the bravery of the IRA and people like Bobby Sands we now have a peace process."

[–]tempanought1 downCorbyn=1 year in the Gulag [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

At least we'll never have another 'Osborne only has a history degree' comment from anyone on the left ever again.

[–]usrname422015 = worst year for centre-left ever? [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As an anti-Corbynite centre-left type I reserve my right to call both Osborne and McDonnell idiots.

[–]DriveIn8 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

McDonnell has a Masters in Politics and Sociology, that's miles better than a history degree ;)

[–]YouAreAGoat [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Lord Falconer? Tony Blair's best mate and an unelected peer is the best option for justice?

[–]AnyalesA Modest Proposal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Much more qualified than the Attorney General

[–]volunteer24601Waiting to be purged [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Nobody else will take it probably. I suspect Keir Starmer turned it down

[–]M2Ys4UPirate Party UK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it's quite a good appointment, actually, what with the clusterfuck going on in the MoJ and everything.

[–]YouAreAGoat [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I want to see Dennis Skinner is some sort of shadow cabinet role, just for hell of it.

[–]Unequivocal_Unicorn2Libertarian Socialist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It would be funny to see him made business secretary, and have to debate the union legislation tomorrow.

[–]volunteer24601Waiting to be purged [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nah. He's very publicly stated that he won't ever take a ministerial role, because it would stop him being able to speak out freely against the party.

Then again, this was all before Corbyn

[–]DriveIn8 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Vernon Coaker makes sense as NI minister, he held the post before Ivan Lewis and will presumably hit the ground running.

[–]usrname422015 = worst year for centre-left ever? [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

McDonnell is Chancellor.

Here are some of his economic views from an article in 2012:

In the first week of a Labour Government democratic control of the major economic decisions would be restored by ending the Bank of England’s control over interest rates and bringing the nationalised and subsidised banks under direct control to force them to lend and invest their resources to modernise our economy and put people back to work.

So instead of having the monetary policy committee, made up of 9 expert economists and with the benefits of central bank independence, set interest rates, we'll have them set by John fucking McDonnell instead. Great.

To bring a halt to the frenetic, madcap speculation in the City, the Government would introduce a financial transaction tax, raising funds to be ploughed into creating the infrastructure which a modern, sustainable economy requires. If the City resists then let’s make it clear that capital controls would follow.

Capital controls! Brilliant. That won't damage investment at all.

We will free up these resources with a new budget in the first month of a Labour Government that introduces a wealth tax on the richest 10%, a land value tax, and a restored system of progressive income tax with a 60% level on incomes above £100,000 and 70% on incomes above £1 million. And also we will clamp down hard on the tax evasion and avoidance that is costing us £95 billion a year.

Because Hollande's 75% tax went so well?

We will end all privatisation, including in the NHS, and start the process of bringing our public services back into public ownership by renationalising our railways, with immediate price controls over energy prices and rail and bus fares.

Start the process? How much is he planning to renationalise?

We also have him saying that he wants to renationalise things without compensation:

if any of these assets are sold by Osborne under their value, a future Corbyn-led Labour government will reserve the right to bring them back into public ownership with either no compensation or with any undervaluation deducted from any compensation for renationalisation.

To be clear, I know Corbyn won't adopt all these policies. But the fact that Corbyn has appointed this man as Chancellor signals that he does not give a shit about economic credibility.

He also said of the IRA:

"It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle.

"It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table."

[–]KeyUsernamePie [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

In my opinion it's a mistake to not place a woman in at least one of the great offices of state. This is not going to look good

[–]internet_ranger [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

What's wrong with putting in the best person for the job? Having someone in there because they are a woman is deeply sexist.

[–]KeyUsernamePie [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'm more concerned about the public view of it. I'm delighted by John's appointment personally.

[–]internet_ranger [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The public don't care about that sort of stuff it is a PC.myth pedelled by certain sections of the media.

[–]KeyUsernamePie [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah I don't think that's true.

[–]internet_ranger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It is never in my life have I heard someone complain about ratio of men to women.

[–]HedgehogkillaPart of the 4.5% [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Angela Eagle is definitely more qualified for the role than McDonnell.

[–]usrname422015 = worst year for centre-left ever? [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Angela Eagle would have been a better person for the job of Chancellor and a woman.

[–]internet_ranger [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Well what makes her better for the job?

[–]usrname422015 = worst year for centre-left ever? [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Mostly the fact that she isn't John McDonnell.

[–]internet_ranger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So really this is just your own hatred of one man? Unfortunately for you corbyn doesn't so personal attacks or personality politics.

[–]Flabby-Nonsense [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Hope to see Dan Jarvis get Defence.

[–]HedgehogkillaPart of the 4.5% [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

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[–]Flabby-Nonsense [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

that's disappointing.

[–]2times21 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What's so amazing about Dan Jarvis? I don't know much about him, didn't hear anything about him last election... Yet people on here seem to think he's amazing.

[–]M2Ys4UPirate Party UK [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's because they've heard he's good and that he was tipped for greatness by somebody who had heard that he's good and was tipped for greatness. It's political cargo-culting.

[–]----0---- [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is going to be an interesting time in politics again.

I think we need the return of Spitting Image.

[–]M2Ys4UPirate Party UK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Weren't they thinking of doing a CGI version at some point recently?

[–]tempanought1 downCorbyn=1 year in the Gulag [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

lol, the arch-democrat decides to have one of his most important positions filled by someone who is completely unaccountable to the Commons??

[–]DriveIn8 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

If Corbyn has demonstrated anything by now it's that the Labour party is much more than just the PLP.

[–]tempanought1 downCorbyn=1 year in the Gulag [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

So it's now more about the unelected House of Lords?

[–]DriveIn8 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

You don't get elected to the shadow cabinet.

[–]tempanought1 downCorbyn=1 year in the Gulag [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

But ministers are accountable to parliament, and in modern times (and especially to democrats) that has meant the elected house.

[–]DriveIn8 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Right - but he's not appointing a minister, he's appointing a shadow minister. As you know, they don't have any powers or responsibilities apart from holding the actual justice minister to account, which he can do from outside the Commons.

[–]tempanought1 downCorbyn=1 year in the Gulag [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The shadow cabinet is supposed to be the government-in-waiting, for a man that's all about sending the right signals, this is a step in the wrong direction.

As you know, they don't have any powers or responsibilities apart from holding the actual justice minister to account, which he can do from outside the Commons

Not from his despatch box, anything said from which is official government policy. It completely diminshes his ability to properly scutinise Gove.

[–]DriveIn8 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I imagine the thinking was that getting Lord Falconer is such a coup because of his centrist appeal and his wealth of experience that it was worth it.

I don't think that the despatch box makes that much of a difference anymore tbh - and he's sure to have junior shadow ministers in the HoC who can ask Questions as and when.

[–]KeyUsernamePie [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

That doesn't mean he can't be accountable to the party

[–]tempanought1 downCorbyn=1 year in the Gulag [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

But not to the peoples' elected representatives.

It makes no sense for him to do this.

[–]KeyUsernamePie [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Cabinet ministers are not accountable just because of they have constituents.

[–]tempanought1 downCorbyn=1 year in the Gulag [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They're significantly more accountable than an unelected lord, and that's not the point: ministers should be accountable to the people, and should therefore be subject to the scrutiny of the elected house.

[–]ClusterCosmosConservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I am not one for gender quotas, but I am genuinely shocked that none of the prestigious offices in the shadow cabinet will be held by a woman.

[–]tommyncfccentre-left englishman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

John McDonnell has actually been made shadow chancellor.

What a world we live in.

[–]HedgehogkillaPart of the 4.5% [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

John McDonnell is shadow chancellor. Labour sausage fest confirmed.

[–]Spillage93 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Corbyn said during one of the TV debates that he wanted to have elections to determine who was in his Shadow Cabinet. Is that still his plan, or are these appointments to be permanent?

[–]brubeck [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Elections by who? Labour MPs, Labour members or the public? Any one of those would be disastrous for a functional government.

[–]Spillage93 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I can't remember what he was advocating, actually. I assumed it would be members, but I'm not sure. I think Labour did used to have a system of electing Shadow Cabinets, though.

[–]thatguyfromb4-8.63, -5.95 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wikipedia currently shows Diane Abbott as Shadow Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government.

[–]Ajnin123 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Diane Abbott, John McDonnell...this isn't seriously going to be the shadow cabinet in 2020?

[–]Milla27 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Just saw this too.

I'm guessing Chancellor will be a women?