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[–]corruptigon2 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

FUCK IDENTITY POLITICS, COME BACK MARK!

GamerGate is not about transgenders, they are welcomed but we are not enforcing people to agree with them.

This is why many of us have been reading Breitbart even if we consider it shit. The article about GG were good and kudos to them. it doesn't mean we have to support anything they say.

This is what SJWs can't understand. They are supporting a pedophile just because he/she's one of them

[–]Dark_Sighed 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you can't stand a little criticism without going on a blocking spree & rage quitting then you're probably better off outside the movement. That's aGG behavior right there.

[–]BasediCloud 172ポイント173ポイント  (52子コメント)

Some lessons to be learned here

a) GamerGate is not an identity. You cannot control who is in it and who is not.
b) There are pro-SJW gamers identifying as the identity pro-GamerGate
c) Purifying the identity GamerGate of bad influences is cancer. That goes for driving out Mark, for attacking Breitbart, for removing /pol/, for purging shitposters, for making some content more equal (looking at you KiA moderators) and for leaving cause some who are in GamerGate like Trump

Stop playing identity politics. GamerGate is a scandal or a series of events. It is not an identity which needs to be kept pure.

[–]crystalflash 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

This so hard. There's a number of people who think that we have to play the game by SJW or politically correct rules. I'm sure many of them have their hearts in the right place, but all that nonsense about how all conservatives are evil, or policing how we refer to people, it's all the bullshit SJWs wanted to instill into people. The fact that people assume we have to watch what we say for PR points, by denouncing all conservative thought or banning or bitching about people misgendering and deadnaming a pedophile means they have already won. I always make the comparison to how Rock and Heavy Metal has a long history of the media and puritans having used them as a scapegoat for almost every societal problem from juvenile deliquency to drug use to even devil worship. And not once did any of those musicians ever decide to change ir improve their image for PR points. They simply kept rockin out and doing whatever they damned pleased and kept the image of "sex, drugs, and rock n roll." And now most everyone considers many of them classics and legends and mock the moral conservative authoritarians of that era for believing such rubbish. We cannot allow ourselves to be tone-policed by these moral authoritarians now that they been given a liberal-blue paint job. We have to accept that no matter how we present ourselves, the media and these puritans have already decided on their narrative and use us as scapegoats for all their perceived sociatal problems such as racism and sexism. If you have a problem with people being conservative or refusing to use a preferred name and gender of a pedophile, then you should get over yourself, or leave it like Queeny did. Gamergate is diverse in ideas and opinions, tone-policing it will only serve to harm it in the end.

[–]a-memorable-fancy 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reposting my old comment:

Tribalism is cancer because this is our tribe. We're gamers. Anything else is absolute bullshit.

I run far far crazy batshit insane right with my politics, but that doesn't matter because all I care about going into vidya is fucking vidya.

People talk about no enemies to the left/right. I think GG needs to develop a notion of no enemies to gaming, as long as they don't speak against gaming. Cautious of opportunists and bandwagon jumpers as always, but if one makes a concerted effort they deserve our respect. I have immense respect for Eron after all, but if he and I got into a political discussion we'd disagree on every single point. Doesn't change the fact that we're fellow travelers.

[–]___Rhand___ 19ポイント20ポイント  (19子コメント)

Wait, I didn't know people want to purge dudes who like Trump. I mean, I like Trump. I hate his policies and stances, but damn, he sure is a badass.

[–]zippyjon 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

The KIA I remember welcomed everyone who cared about the sad state of video game journalism and the SJW lies that those journalists hid behind as a shield against criticism.

This included, as far as I remember, practically the entire political spectrum. Hell, I remember talking to some NRx dudes at GG in DC alongside Milo Yiannopoulos and Allum Bokhari. Hell, I consider myself right-libertarian. I'm even voting for Trump, partly because I think it would be hilarious if he won, and partly because I think he actually has the best chance of beating the Democrats in the general election. Normally I vote libertarian, but the Democrats are behind that whole preponderance of evidence thing in those sexual assault cases on college campuses, so that pushed me directly into the arms of the Republican Party. .

If that makes me the subject of a purge, then all I can do is tell those people to go fuck themselves. Check your PC crap at the door, not everyone agrees with you about everything. If someone doesn't want to use "correct pronouns", that might make them a dick in the eyes of some, but don't make yourselves into language police. As far as I'm concerned, let the people they're making fun of defend themselves.

[–]RobertNAdams 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree with Milo on a load of stuff. Politics, religion, how close a microphone should be held to your mouth, etc. But I don't let any of that get in the way of silly little things like objective fact.

Sure he has his agendas, but he reports facts instead of twisting them or making stuff up out of nowhere. I don't care that he's on "the other side" alone.

He actually does his job properly unlike half of these fuckwits, and he does it at a publication that hosts stuff I often disagree with. Like the "Brietbart Election Poll" filled with people that I wouldn't vote for (because it lacks Bernie Sanders entirely).

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm even voting for Trump, partly because I think it would be hilarious if he won

This kills the country.

Seriously, if you think he's the best candidate (I can't imagine what on earth would make you come to that conclusion, but okay), all the power to you, but voting for someone because it would be "hilarious" is not a productive voting methodology.

[–]___Rhand___ 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually, I say it's better to vote for a candidate because it would be funny if he won rather than voting for a candidate because he's black. Identity politics is killing this country much more than frivolous voting.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Voting for a candidate because he is black is equally as stupid. So is voting for someone because they are a woman or only voting on party lines.

Be informed and vote on issues. Vote for who you believe is the best candidate, everything else is noise. That's all I'm saying.

[–]zippyjon 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

He couldn't possibly be worse than Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, or any other Republican Candidate besides possibly Rand Paul (who seems too wishy-washy these days). I'll roll those dice.

[–]Swordeus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not like he would be worse than any other candidate. plus he's more upfront about who he is and what he wants than any politician I've ever seen.

I remember when Obama was up for reelection, he flat out said that he was being disingenuous about his opinions and that he would change his stance on certain issues after he won the election.

That kind of shit makes me lose all faith in the government. So when there's a candidate like trump, who's a bit ridiculous, but is also unafraid to speak his true mind, then I'll absolutely take him over another two-faced politician.

[–]BasediCloud 15ポイント16ポイント  (10子コメント)

Queeny left cause Trump retweeted Commissar_of_GG and several people in #GamerGate liked that.

[–]___Rhand___ 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

Who is Queeny?

[–]LanceLiege 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

The girl who hosted the streams "Girls of Gamergate".

[–]Ireyon12 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Follow up question: Who is Commissar_of_GG and why is Trump an issue here? Unless it's a meme about how his hairpiece looks like a toxic caterpillar?

[–]Lain_Coulbert 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/user/CasperThePaperChaser Is Commissar's youtube channel, he's also part of the twitter 'oldguard' I guess you could say.

Didn't you hear? Trump's racis

[–]LanceLiege 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

And I can respect his brand of racism, funny thing, I'm not even Caucasian or American. He might be a jackass, but he's a badass, better than the last few US Presidents.

[–]IR3UL 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah. Trump's an asshole, but he's an asshole because he doesn't back down from his beliefs for political points. It's why if it becomes him vs. Hillary that I'm voting Trump - I'd rather have the country fall because the person in charge was doing what he thought was best rather than because they were trying to score some points with voters to further their career.

(In case anyone doesn't get that: Hillary has flip-flopped on her stance about gay marriage, saying whatever was most popular at the time. As such I have no clue what her true beliefs are and thus cannot trust her.)

[–]LanceLiege 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck Hillary! She's a lying Illuminatard Cunt.

[–]Ireyon12 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks :)

Didn't you hear? Trump's racis

I didn't. I follow american politics only for the amusement value, to be honest.

Whatever he said didn't seem to have hurt his popularity however.

[–]Lain_Coulbert 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's racist because he wants to secure the southern border, at least according to the MSM.

[–]Arranator 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly.

[–]snow-siren 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. However much I might not want him in office, his campaign is hi-freaking-larious to watch.

[–]Jack-Browser/r/TheCommentGraveyard 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

So glad you are here to say this, man!

[–]SpaceCatBoy 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

Lesson: Beware the PR crew, wrecking the useful forums for Gamers involved in discussing the GamerGate scandal to suit their personal pronouns and politics.

I'm looking at you /r/KotakuInAction and you 8ch/GamerGateHQ 'leader' clique

[–]Nelbegek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well said! Also, what kind of childish tantrums is Kern pulling? If you want to leave for such a shitty reason, leave. Why does he have a need to announce it like a messiah is leaving?

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get. -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

This.

[–]Tohsakas_Anus -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

The funny thing is that everything you've said are things that apply to you.

You've tried to drive people out of KiA for not meeting your standards of what GG is about (looking at you KiA mods). You've played identity politics by saying anyone that is GG and liberal is the enemy and not to be trusted. You've attacked e-celebs for them saying things that you didn't like.

Oh, and let's not forget /u/theone899 saying that you had contacted him about the KiA mods and said they were SJWs: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3hvu33/history_actually_its_about_ethics_is_an/cub11lq

How many other people did you try to turn against the forum? How many others did you message with your half-truths and context-less accusations?

Remember:

SJWs always lie. You've lied about KiA.

SJWs always project. You've projected onto the people who fail to meet your criteria of what a true pro-GG supporter is.

SJWs always double down, and this post is you doubling down.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought this post was addressed to me...lol

[–]Tohsakas_Anus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

BasediCloud needs to be called out for the FUD spreading fuck stick that he is.

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    [–]Sargon_of_Akkad_The real Sargon of A Cod 107ポイント108ポイント  (84子コメント)

    If someone has a problem with Kern's gender labels, it is up to that person to speak to him about it.

    If you think you are speaking up on behalf of trans people to "fight transphobia", welcome to the wonderful world of the collectivist thought police, you social justice warrior.

    It's not your job, it's not your problem, so nobody wants to hear from you on the subject.

    [–]sirvidyagamesz 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mark if your reading this random people on twitter don't speak for all of us. Any person with a thought police mentality can claim they are progg.

    [–]SupremeReader 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Kern's gender labels,

    What?

    [–]non_consensual 16ポイント17ポイント  (12子コメント)

    He was "misgendering" Nyberg.

    [–]SupremeReader 40ポイント41ポイント  (11子コメント)

    And?

    [–]non_consensual 27ポイント28ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Exactly.

    [–]usery 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

    But the exactly continues.... Why did he care some random didn't agree with him, let alone attribute that to all of gamergate? Why is someone who is against PC being excused for self triggering? People need to stop apologizing for things which should not be apologized for. He as a well seasoned adult should have kept things in perspective, and he didn't, over a few tweets from god knows who, I simply can't respect that. Just because he's an eceleb doesn't mean he should be held to lower standards. This is on him, he made the mistake of self triggering over nothing instead of dealing with it like an adult.

    [–]LanceLiege 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

    The problem is that this isn't an isolated incident, this has been happening for a while now. What happened to, "FUCK PR!" Seriously, I'm Filipino, conservative (under US definitions,) and I consider chosen-pronouns a privilege not a right. I do my shit, and so long as I don't do anything illegal, I don't give two shits. I've been posting here since the beginning of this whole scandal and before no one gave a shit about your opinions only that you did things for GG, and not do anything stupid i.e. Illegal, but from what I now see, stupid now seems to mean, antiPR.

    [–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

    chosen-pronouns a privilege not a right

    Funny thing about that. Your don't get to pick your pronouns. They aren't for you. They are for other people to refer to you. You have no right to enforce what other people think about you.

    Reddit in general, and KiA by extension has always been SJW-lite. As soon as someone claims "trans" status, logic is thrown out the window and all thought must defer to the PC police.

    I come to KiA for the population, but elsewhere for candor.

    [–]RobertNAdams 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    They are for other people to refer to you. You have no right to enforce what other people think about you.

    I kinda agree with you on principle here because, well, you don't. But why not be polite?

    To clarify, if someone were to say "Well I'm actually a woman and not a man so don't call me 'he' you shitlord!" I'd apologize for genuinely not knowing and then ask them to dial back the hostility. Because yes, even though said hypothetical person is being dickish I like to give the benefit of the doubt. (However, if they continued to be an asshole I'd be understandably less polite.)

    If someone said "Hey, I really don't think of myself a man, would you mind calling me 'she' and 'her'?" I'd be glad to oblige. It hurts zero people in my eyes.

    [–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    If someone said "Hey, I really don't think of myself a man, would you mind calling me 'she' and 'her'?" I'd be glad to oblige. It hurts zero people in my eyes.

    I would oblige, because 1) I'm not intentionally trying to antagonize 2) being socially (as in do whatever the fuck you like so long as you're not hurting anyone) liberal I would most likely get flak from my peers.

    That being said, I would argue though that this concession furthers what I believe to be part of the problem, which is detachment from reality and accepting specious claims as fundamental truths without critical examination.

    What does it mean to be male or female? Can you define that without using circular logic or describing it surreptitiously substituting in the concept of a gender role? If we cannot get that far, how can we be having the conversation about what you "identify" as?

    [–]LanceLiege 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And thats fine, that was my opinion, and this is yours. I choose to base a person on their biology, you play to their feelings. I get to do my shit and get hanged for it should they have no merit, and that applies to you as well. What I'm saying is, you do you.

    [–]YurilicaPurple, White, and Green 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    chosen-pronouns a privilege not a right.

    I dunno. I just see them as identifiers and think that they really don't carry that much weight.

    If someone is being a fucking tool, there's no difference between saying "he's a cunt" or "she a cunt".

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around why the hell people attribute such weight to that shit. It's just an identifier. Shit, you might as well be a martian, i still won't give a fuck and i'll base my opinion of you on your actions and statements, not your preferred identity.

    Want to be called a she or he? Fine either way - you'd still be a cunt for your actions.

    Not giving a fuck about pronoun shit lets you focus on the actual issues and avoids identity politics bullshit.

    [–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get. 23ポイント24ポイント  (43子コメント)

    Sargon, I hope you can speak with him and convince him not to quit.

    [–]BasediCloud 19ポイント20ポイント  (42子コメント)

    It's the same with conservatives. They won't come back unless GamerGate gets its shit together. The drift towards identity politics gets more and more pronounced. Now it did hit Mark, someone very close to the center. Who do you think will be next?

    [–]SupremeReader 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    What happened?

    [–]LanceLiege 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thought police, PR bitches went full SJW on him, because he wouldn't call butts a 'she'.

    [–]Agkistro13 8ポイント9ポイント  (39子コメント)

    Yep. Conservative here. Very close to fucking off. Not really seeing much difference between GG and it's opponents somedays.

    [–]plasmacutter 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Moderate here (bellweather hometown), and I agree.

    Any time I make a post even slightly right of center it gets dogpiled by people claiming "right-wing cooption of gamergate" and downvoted to hell.

    This place is becoming balkanized and eating its own like SJWs

    [–]Agkistro13 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Well, KIA became our primary hub, which means our primary source of new people is other Redditors, and Reddit is...well...Reddit.

    [–]plasmacutter 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    it doesn't help that 8chan's board, which used to get equal traffic, was mis-moderated to hell and drove its users back to their original boards.

    Oh well, it's amazing a chan-based hashtag persisted for a full year without exploding.

    I guess it will become like Anonymous where the label gets passed around from one unrelated group to the next.

    I suspect GamerGate will eventually become related to Chinese knitting circles in a couple years.

    [–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As long as you don't stand SJW bullshit you're Doing the Right thing / supporting GG, whether you're on KiA is much less important.

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      [–]Agkistro13 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The important question is, is VOAT any better?

      [–]Ireyon12 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      due to the user base's treatment of conservatives

      If someone mildly disagreeing with you on reddit is enough to cause you to leave you're either really oversensitive or you're Ellen Pao.

      Just a few days ago there was an upvoted thread about how SJWs are really right-wing conservatives and several main aGGros are really conservatives.

      Really? And how long did it take until the thread was buried?

      This subreddit isn't made cuddly for people on purpose. Threads aren't screened if they might offend people before they are posted, that's what the voting system is for.

      [–]Ireyon12 6ポイント7ポイント  (28子コメント)

      In what regard? I don't see the connection?

      Or is this because I'm not on twitter?

      [–]BasediCloud 19ポイント20ポイント  (27子コメント)

      It is a KiA problem, not a twitter problem. Twitter you can balance it out easily by following numerous conservatives. KiA (the whole of reddit) is hostile to conservatives as soon as you reveal a conservative opinion while continuing to state everyone is welcome. And it is getting worse and worse the last 6 months on KiA.

      [–]NottaUser 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

      There was a mod who went full asshat just recently this week in the comments here. Not abusing mod powers or anything tho, just showing some pretty harsh contempt towards a poster said mod didn't agree with.

      That said, I spoke with another mod and they talked to me about how there were several high up mods that disagreed with their post, and that if any mod had been abusing their powers here that they would be dealt with as needed.

      All that aside, I do believe there is a moderately sized group of people who will spam downvotes for anything not in the vein of progressive thinking. Which is sad imo, because instead of engaging opposing views, they'd rather just bury it in downvotes and then forget about it. Embrace your diversity my fellow leaderfags, you will be stronger because of it!

      [–]Ireyon12 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      "A conservative opinion" on what exactly? The only thing here on KiA I've seen conservative opinions on was in connection to Wu or some other transgender person that is involved with GG in some fashion. Does american conservatism only revolve around someone's genitalia or what someone choose to do with whomever in their bedroom?

      Or maybe my european mind can't grasp the many intricacies of american politics. Our conservatives (or at least, our conservative politicians) are also hung up on sex for some bizarre reason, but the have quite a lot of stuff outside of that topic.

      PS: I just realized something. How do you "balance out" stuff on twitter by following people of either political faction? Do conservative and liberal tweets mutually annihilate when they collide in your inbox?

      [–]BasediCloud 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I'm European, nice try, you lost.

      Want to respawn and try again?

      [–]Ireyon12 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm European

      And? That is supposed to answer my first question how?

      What country, by the way?

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        [–]MasterGoshinki 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I'm also a conservative, and I haven't had any problems...at least politically

        I had the misfortune of having to deal with the pc fanboys here about a week ago because I dared to say; while pc looks marginally better, I prefer console.

        [–]RingmasterJ5Gifted Hat GTA once 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Oddly, this seems to be a larger point of contention than the political stuff.

        Are you a conservative? Sure, we'll have you.

        Religious? Why not?

        Don't like the whole PCMR thing or being called a "peasant"? Well, in that case you're shit outta luck.

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          [–]Comiclove93 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Agreed and if Mark wants to leave we should respect his decision.

          [–]Wefee11 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

          People really forget how GamerGate works. It's diverse as fuck.

          Some people think it's not a good thing to misgender someone simply because you have no respect for that person. It's just some people take their disagreement to Grummz to far and they "sound" like a thought police. But really that's just the nature of the internet, especially twitter.

          Grummz used the victim-child as a shield to justify to use "he" as the pronoun and he blocked many people who strongly disagreed with him. That's also very "SJW"-like.

          Seriously, this is blown out of proportion. Grummz is a good dude. People just need to chill the fuck out. People are bored as fuck and have nothing to do on a saturday.

          [–]SomeReditor38641 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          This. Actual diversity leads to conflict. Conflict is not inherently bad. It's one way by which people learn about others. It's another reason why "diversity" echo chambers are one of the most laughable things ever.

          [–]WrenBoy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          nobody wants to hear from you on the subject

          You are speaking up on behalf of everyone?

          [–]MARsDoesNothing 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's not your job, it's not your problem, so nobody wants to hear from you on the subject

          You do realize people can say whatever the dick they want whether you or anyone else wants to listen.

          [–]YurilicaPurple, White, and Green -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

          If someone has a problem with Kern's gender labels, it is up to that person to speak to him about it.

          That became a problem and an impossibility the moment he wrote this:

          https://archive.is/JCQtn

          This was after i replied to him that pronouns have nothing to do with respect. They're just identifiers. My personal approach: i call Butts a she because she's(AFAIK, correct me if i'm wrong) a post-op trans. She has no dick anymore, to be blunt. That's it. Calling a person by a certain pronoun has absolutely nothing to do with giving "respect" to them, which was Mark's original reasoning. I can call her a she and still consider her a twisted, vile human being that needs treatment. However, i did say to him that he's free to call her however he wants. Just that people won't understand it and some won't approve of it.

          But he didn't hear it and shit kept escalating.

          How do you read that archived tweet yourself?

          I got pissed off by it, to be honest. A lot of people did because they sure as shit didn't expect Kern of all people to raise the "if you disagree with me on this matter, you're X" - something that antis have been using for the past fucking year.

          I've had enough of that shit in the past year and there's no goddamn way i'll be quiet when i see it. I haven't been quiet when i saw antis doing it and i sure as shit won't be quiet when i see someone pro-GG doing it.

          So what's your opinion on that?

          [–]mike20599 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Get the fuck out of GG. We need people like Kern more than we need people like you.

          [–]YurilicaPurple, White, and Green 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Um, make me? How is someone even "in" GG, since you're at it?

          Because they talk about it?

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            [–]TheThrowaway590 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

            To be fair, it looks like aGG is gonna do their damndest to keep him involved though, lol. But after all he's done, it's his right to move on to other stuff if he wants.

            Like talking about navels. That's always good.

            [–]ggburner23 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            He's focusing on L4G. He's bit out, just not spending time on Twitter.

            [–]GGJudus 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Well I for one wish Mark future success and hope he will continue to advocate for honesty and reason, even if not as part of the Gamergate tag.

            [–]gargantualis 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Just remember folks who are making identity politics ultimatums. You are doing what SJWs and the elites trying to neuter the internet at large want.

            Tolerance goes far beyond tolerance of identity, but tolerance of different expressions and opinions.

            When no one is allowed to express anything that will upset anyone (a nebulous standard to begin with.)

            How long is it going to be before some random individual accuses you?

            [–]Iconochasm 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Not exactly relevant, but always great, The Devil Speech.

            [–]PadaV4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Damn that speech is great. I listen to it every time from start to finish.

            [–]Draconicsama 61ポイント62ポイント  (51子コメント)

            Welcome to five minutes ago, see what all this "tone policing" gets us? Fuck off LBGT Patrol with your "we have to all have the same standards or you're not one of us" crap.

            [–]BeardRex 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I don't understand why people don't understand Kern's point. Using someone's desired pronouns is respectful. Some people don't deserve the respect. That was Kern's point. It's just insane to think that disrespecting a pedophile is going too far.

            [–]Immamoonkin 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Exactly this. I don't see how people have to be so fucking stupid about it.

            [–]dingoperson2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I completely agree.

            [–]Drop_ 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

            I guess I missed the whole controversy. What was the deal? Some shit about deadnaming and calling people the wrong gender pronouns?

            [–]m00secab00se 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

            He refused to call a pedo piece of shit by their pretend name and gender.

            Good job, PRfags and ethics cucks! GG is dead in the water. Has been for a long time.

            [–]RavenscroftRaven 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

            But... Muh tonepolicing!

            [–]Drop_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Oh wow so this was about nyberg?

            [–]dingoperson2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This sums it up:

            I don't understand why people don't understand Kern's point. Using someone's desired pronouns is respectful. Some people don't deserve the respect. That was Kern's point.

            [–]corruptigon2 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            that's his right to do so.

            It's is not mandatory to call a transgender how he/she want to be called, it's an act of respect and kindness but it's not mandatory at all and IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GAMERGATE.

            [–]Ireyon12 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Do we actually have any tweets or anything criticizing him for that on here? I can't find anything.

            [–]NightOfTheLivingHam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            wow, when did this start?

            I dont even acknowledge nyberg by any gender because at this point I consider nyberg less than human for being a childfucker.

            [–]sp8der 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

            LBGT Patrol

            I hope Patrol is the important part of that, because I'm a homo and I'm completely with you. We're not all psychotic.

            [–]gargantualis 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Doing the authoritarians work for em. Tsk Tsk. Have ppl learned nothing from seeing Ghazis purges? GG used to resist these personality ultimatums. This isnt an anti defamation lobbying group.

            [–]NightOfTheLivingHam 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            welcome to the SJW takeover.

            This is how they do it, they slowly infiltrate, then slowly begin changing the course of the conversation.

            This is exactly what happened to somethingawful.

            edit: I know I asked in another reply when did this start but I remembered a few comments here that would have been downvoted a few months ago rising to the top. Such as people defending nyberg's actions and saying "why are we personally attacking nyberg, why cant we just attack the games journalists for defending someone who pirates music?"

            Which is adorable.

            [–]BundleBee 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

            /pol/ is always right.

            [–]MV21 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Uncle /pol/ did warn us too didn't he...multiple times...sigh

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              [–]Feel_Free_To_Downvot 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              So, now we are playing identity politics, getting well versed in tone policing and harassing people for mis fucking gendering?

              shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

              [–]tinkertoy78 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I didn't know we had a socalled identity police in GG. Honestly I'm too old and uncaring to put too much thought into what I should call people. If they look like a female, I'll call the person she/her. If male, he/him. If the person then asks me to change it - sure why not. Not going to keep me up at night one way or the other. Now if said person acts as if I just mentally assaulted them because I gave them the wrong pronoun, that's probably around the time I stop talking to that individual.

              If Mark Kern is tired and done posting about aGG/GG, that's his call. He's a grown man and my one and only advice to him is 'do what you want to do'.

              [–]m00secab00se 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I didn't know we had a socalled identity police in GG

              lmao, look at this entire board and GGHQ

              [–]JustABaku 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

              Welcome to being Occupy Wall Street, guys.

              [–]RavenscroftRaven 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

              It is exactly how it crashed and burned: Identity politics. Until then, it had promise to do real change, make a real difference. But people concerned about fake change, and virtual difference had to make it all about them.

              And now, as ever, GG marches towards it too.

              Niggerfag. Just tossing that word out there. Why? Because you know the last grassroots movement against the rich and powerful that was even remotely successful? Chanology. And they weren't afraid of "offending" anyone. Offending people was an unrelated aside to the task at hand. (Sure, it ended rough for them, but hell, they made a dent.) So if you're offended... Go away. The easily offended aren't needed. Not even as useful idiots. Because aGG will offend you. Far worse than misgendering some hairy pedo should.

              EDIT: That said, Mark needs to get over himself as one of those easily offended, as well. If he doesn't have the thick hide for it, it's better for his emotional and mental health to just be on the sidelines, doing what he wants to do. So kudos on him for doing so.

              [–]cormano64 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Your edit alone earned you a upvote.

              Misgendering Butts was petty and entirely irrelevant to her being a certified pedo piece of shit, but him abandoninig the hashtag and blocking people over it made it him a SJW far beyond the ones criticizing him over it.

              I disagreed with him over his pettyness but unfollowing or blocking over it wouldn't even cross my mind.

              And yes, Occupy did turn into shit over the bleeding-hearts speaking on behalf of their own cartoon ideia of the oppressed, so while I disagreed with Kern on this instance, I'm far from supporting PC culture and its poison.

              It's called nuance and it seems highly lacking in both the PC thought police and a lot of the edgy-tryhards opposing them.

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                [–]VoluntaryAct 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

                I don't understand what is this about? Can someone please explain it to me?

                [–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get. 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Mark Kern started calling Butts a he, not because he's transphobic as some of our more PC members are pushing, but because he thinks a pedophile shouldn't be given the respect of proper labels. Because of the pro-sjw ggers attacking him, he basically quit GG.

                [–]Feel_Free_To_Downvot 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                pro-sjw gger

                Damn....Kind of shivered now

                [–]KirbyMew 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I have that same mentality about scammers, preachers, don't care if I should give those kind of people the respect of proper labels.

                Weird that some harassed kern about it.

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                  [–]IIHotelYorba 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  On the one hand, I like Mark. I just disagree with his assessment, who cares what this or that guy says. Maybe he'll calm down.

                  On the other hand, this is kind of eceleb-ey dramallama shit.

                  [–]Radspakr 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Gotta ask, what the fuck has been happening in GG lately, the factioning, the possible false flagging or whatever the Breitbart topic was, now this shit. Hopefully Kern will consider supporting GG once he's had some time off. I'd hate to see him no longer involved.

                  Normally I have no problem referring to the preferred pronoun as long as it's not some bullshit like zir to show respect but Butts is not deserving of respect. Fuck that guy the sooner the FBI arrests that motherfucker (for pedo or piracy or hopefully both) the better.

                  [–]H_Guderian 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Its December all over again. aGG sends people in, gets them somewhat trustyworthy, and then tries to break up GG from within. Hell, not even aGG. The whole terrorist/bomb threat was by a guy that played both sides off each other. It is within reason to suspect someone will play parts of gg off against one another.

                  8chan hates KiA and other manufactured drama. It comes in waves. A lot of kiddies are back in school thusly have the time to spin shit up.

                  [–]Meafy 19ポイント20ポイント  (18子コメント)

                  Those telling Mark that he shouldn't say something because it hurts other peoples feelings are no different from anti-GG /SJWs.

                  If you don't like what someone has to say , disassociate yourself, no one is forcing you to hear what they have to say. But you have no right to stopping them talking to others.

                  Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster

                  In fighting Sjw and trying to keep up with PR , you have become what you first were against. In my eyes your just the same as SJW's .

                  whats the difference between :

                  You shouldn't draw or write women like that because it might hurt someones feelings

                  and

                  You shouldn't call them by X pronoun because it might hurt someones feelings

                  [–]boommicfucker 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  So we can't have discussions and criticism anymore because they might hurt someone's feelings?

                  [–]sp8der 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Fight your enemies, not your allies.

                  [–]cormano64 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  That goes for everyone, not excluding Kern himself.

                  [–]kennystrife 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I don't think it's a good idea to bring up Nyberg's gender status. Not because I give a fuck about Nyberg's feelings or because of identity politics, but because I don't think handing aGG ammo to use against us is a good idea. Nyberg's a goddamned pedophile, it doesn't matter if she's a woman, a man, a space alien, a talking dog, or what. Nyberg's gender is nothing but a distraction.

                  [–]Odojas 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  You get it. Stay sane.

                  I'm a gamer and gamers understand strategy. "How do I win?"

                  Your points speak to why its a bad strategy to focus on "this battle."

                  I personally think its far more strategic to be polite when possible and focus on the facts. Being derailed into a bowl of spaghetti is what has occurred. THIS IS NOT GOOD STRATEGY!

                  [–]PadaV4 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  What? I would definitely want to know if one of antiGG turned out to be a talking dog or an alien O_o

                  [–]subhorizonKOBS Reject | Happy Camper -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  You shouldn't draw or write women like that because it might hurt someones feelings

                  and

                  You shouldn't call them by X pronoun because it might hurt someones feelings

                  What are you getting on about? Both of those points are aGG's position depictions of women and identity politics, respectively.

                  [–]Meafy 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  But the 2nd was the reason a bunch of GGers went after Mark. because somehow invalidating Nyberg somehow invalidates all people who take offense at others using the wrong pronoun

                  [–]subhorizonKOBS Reject | Happy Camper 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Some people might disagree with ideology, but will at least respect someone's wish to be called something. Individual's requests to be called a preferred pronoun isn't wrong. It's systematically forcing people that's the problem.

                  [–]LanceLiege 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  People forgot the concept of respect and speech. It's the person who's talking that has the right to choose his words, not the person he's referring to. It might come out as douchy. But so what? Wasn't our approach to douchy people was to give them enough rope?

                  [–]PadaV4 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Respect has to be earned. That pedophile deserves none of it.

                  [–]Non-negotiable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  So GGers shouldn't call someone out because it might hurt their feelings?

                  I mean, it's basically the same shit but instead of a progressive stack it's a celebrity-stack.

                  [–]BigTimStrangeX -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  What about:

                  You shouldn't call a gay man a faggot because it might hurt someone's feelings.

                  or

                  You shouldn't call a black man a n-gger because it might hurt someone's feelings.

                  It's a flawed argument because this isn't about feelings. I don't give a shit about hurting someone's feelings, my issue is the mindset of "I despise you so I feel justified in treating you as subhuman".

                  That's an SJW mindset. "It's okay to doxx Cherovich because he's a 'misogonist' " "It's okay to mail a syringe to Milo because he's conservative".

                  GG is supposed to be better than that.

                  [–]Lain_Coulbert 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Calling a MtF trans person 'he' isn't dehumanising, it's returning them to the same level everyone else lives at. I'm (not) sorry if that's unacceptable for some.

                  [–]qberr 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  QUICK EVERYONE, SEND NAVELS

                  [–]Biittersteel 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  So a bunch of tone policing assholes was behind this? Fuck them.

                  [–]lanedek 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Twitter was a mistake.

                  [–]Meinos 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I think the problem, from what I could discern from a conversation I just had, is that the people bitching at Mark reason like this: 'OMG HE DISRESPECTED THIS ONE TRANS PERSON! HE DISRESPECTS ALL TRANS PEOPLE!'

                  Seems like a lot of people can't differentiate between groups and individuals.

                  [–]SomeReditor38641 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's easy to see their thought process though. It's not because he disrespected a trans person. It's because of the nature of the disrespect. They're reading it like "I'm wasn't saying all Mexicans are lazy beaners who should go back where they were came from. I was only talking about Carlos Mencia* because I don't respect him."

                  * actually Honduran

                  [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Thanks for your support Mark. Sad to see you go but hope you do good things in the future with L4G.

                  [–]Zmanwarrior 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Read the surrounding tweets. He isn't leaving GamerGate entirely. Hell, he said so right in the linked tweet. He's just done talking GG politics on twitter.

                  Nobody's been "driven out" of the movement today.

                  [–]AsianGirl69420 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  I call Wu -John and "He" all the time and keep getting punched in Karma, but I refuse to call him a woman. Bad dev transsexual, sure, but not a woman.

                  The whole "But tho shall respect thy chosen gender" rule is obnoxious. It's the same as accepting Rachel D to be 100% black and to be shamed when it's called out. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for transsexuals being treated like normal people and not be harassed, but this hyper sensitive dog pile bullshit is getting old. I mean, how egotistical do you have to be to police everyone you don't know about their image of you with such ferocity?

                  [–]Nyctor -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for transsexuals being treated like normal people and not be harassed.

                  The problem is...you don't. You pick and choose and apparently will use misgendering as a way to dismiss a transperson's identity. Is that phobic? I don't know. I don't think calling someone a faggot is homophobic (are you really "afraid" of them), but it's certainly bigoted and promotes stereotypes and does nothing but recall pain in someone's life. Things that they can't change. Can a born biological male stop feeling like they were born the wrong sex? Can't really know for sure, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

                  Call Wu out for being a hypocrite, for being an asshole, for being a bad developer, for being completely fucking nutter butters, but to call her a "he" instead of a "she" targets her for something she can't quite likely change. It does nothing but dismiss a core attribute of who she is as a person. We already have a decent amount of scientific evidence to what can sometimes cause transgenderism this isn't even a comparison to "transracial". Find a peer reviewed, replicated study demonstrating such a phenomena if anyone should be expected to believe it, but until then transgenderism/ transexualism and transracialism aren't remotely comparable and I'd claim the latter makes a mockery of the former.

                  [–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  Not everyone agrees that gender and sex are separate concepts and I have yet to see conclusive scientific evidence that they are, hence I see all discussion as opinion based.

                  [–]sweatingbanshee 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  "Gender" is not a scientific concept at all, and there can' be "scientific evidence" that it is different from sex. It's just a word that sociologists redefined.

                  [–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Agreed. But asking for scientific evidence holds the person to a higher burden of proof. Since they have none, I would say the argument can be safely dismissed. I refuse to engage in the "my feels are more important that your feels because I have more oppression points" game.

                  [–]sweatingbanshee 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Well, I'm just saying that they aren't really claiming gender is scientific. They're just using specialist sociology rhetoric to try to redefine how the rest of us speak.

                  Hermaphrodites and those scientific cases where sex chromosomes don't match sex organs are just the wedge issues to complete redefine civil society.

                  [–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  They aren't necessarily making the claim that gender is scientific, but they can't "go outside of science because feelz". Anything that can be observed, can be quantified and understood through the scientific method. If gender exists, it can be studied.

                  They're just using specialist sociology rhetoric to try to redefine how the rest of us speak.

                  Agreed, but that's why I attempt to force them to define things properly.

                  [–]sweatingbanshee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  What I would like to know are the numbers. How many people feel this need to be defined a certain way? And is it a need to act a certain way, are they body dysmorphic, or is it just a strong desire to have society treat you a certain way?

                  Before we redefine civil society, it would be nice to adequately understand the scope of this issue and properly characterize it.

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                    [–]Loresong 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    When you fight monsters be careful you don't become one.
                    Identity politics will ruin everything it touches. Those who railed on Kern are the same breed of speech police we, or least I, have been pushing back against. You're feelings don't matter. These are the same retards, does that word offend you?, that would flip out every time a conservatives voices agreement. Gasp! Can't be seen to agree with people guilt of wrong think! Same thing happened with the recent Federalist article. Pathetic. I'll have no part of your speech codes or safe spaces. You'd be happier with outrage bloggers.

                    [–]usery 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The only monster here is immaturity. These people mistake the echo chamber around them as everyone, when frankly how do thousands of people communicate with one person on twitter? They don't, social networks have some stronger hubs than others, and not everyone is directly connected, I"m sure everyones seen the infographics of social media. The people who will chatter incessantly or gravitate to certain individuals are not representative of a whole. Social media tends to make people gravitate towards people like themselves, which is the problem. The other problem is that big voices are big targets on social media, especially in culture wars, so he could have simply been targeted by those who wished to undermine and divide. I noticed people kept asking who was doing this, and he never could answer.

                    People need to stop treating these people as victims, when they are people who simply lost perspective and triggered themselves. It helps nothing to legitimize this kind of lack of perspective, especially from people who are old enough to know better, it only sets up more people to use the same excuse for poor behavior.

                    People who take social media too seriously need to get a sense of perspective.

                    [–]Zmanwarrior 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

                    Both Kern and the users railing against him need thicker skins. Despite my gender issues I don't throw a hissy fit if someone misgenders me out of spite. I tell them to knock it off and if they don't, then I ignore it. I also don't expect people to fight my battles for me and if they do, I tell them to knock it off and then ignore it if they don't.

                    However, this is the internet. Mark should know by now what kind of retaliation he was going to get, and he should also know that it wasn't from the majority. This is the same level of shit we claim to be no big deal to Sarkeesian and Wu. I would expect us to hold our own big-namers up to the same standards.

                    [–]TorchicBlaziken 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    "GG is dead because some people harassed Mark Kern until he left" is as stupid as saying "Gamers are dead because some people harassed a woman out of the industry". Even before I realized that narrative was based on lies I knew it was wrong.

                    [–]Zmanwarrior -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    Of course. As usual this is going to blow over. Just like the KiA rules change. Just like the change in mods. Just like the incident with Breitbart.

                    [–]TuesdayRB"I'm pretty sure Wikipedia is a trap" 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    Forgot your /s tag.

                    [–]Zmanwarrior 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Nope. I'm pretty sure that this is not "the Death of GamerGate." Everything I listed was also "The Death of GamerGate," or "The Death of KiA" at some point and we're still chugging along just fine.

                    [–]TuesdayRB"I'm pretty sure Wikipedia is a trap" 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    Each of those events did damage. Just because something isn't fatal doesn't mean it didn't hurt.

                    [–]Zmanwarrior 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    GamerGate is like a living animal. Damage heals. Maybe there's some scar tissue but that isn't going to kill it. Despite the crap in the past we're still going, and we're going strong. I haven't seen any wane in the movement because of those problems at all.

                    [–]TuesdayRB"I'm pretty sure Wikipedia is a trap" 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Our fight is one of attrition. Taking unnecessary hits that weaken us is terrible tactics.

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                      [–]Trilandian 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      To the people who bitched at Mark about using Nyberg's proper pronouns or whatever: Go fuck yourselves, and GTFO of GG!

                      I do not want this PC faggotry in a movement that has fighting SJW's as one of its core drives.

                      As much as people go on about GG needing to distance itself from trolls and harassers, I think it's much more important we distance ourselves from these PC shit-eaters.

                      [–]cloudduel_13 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      What happened? I am so confused.

                      [–]Lpup 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Honestly, I can't blame him.

                      Just because someone is out and just because don't mean they are anti-GG all of a sudden. Just means they are tired of talking about it, keeping up with it, writting emails, ect.

                      But yeah, I don't blame him. The movement goes to cringeworthy places sometimes. I stopped talking about it on social media because it's pretty exausting to do so all the time and honestly... At times you guys get preachy, at times you guys are so desperate for a win or to not take something as a slight you'll do mental gymnastics, sometimes you guys are too tone-police moral fag, but most of all you guys do go overboard on the identity thing from time to time.

                      Don't get me wrong, I still follow KIA news. I like GG as a watchdog. Some fun news still comes out now and again. Pretty much all GG means to me now is

                      1) you think games journalism is corrupt garbage 2) You think games awards show are rigged by douches helping their douche friends 3) You know that the media colluded to push a narative and is doing what ever it takes to not admit fault no matter how damning the evidence. 4) Zero tollerance for SJW culture

                      I'm not gonna tell you how to run your shit. After all I still come here and read stuff and anything I don't like I downvote (Much like many do to me when I shit on KIA on here). But I think Jim had a point, I think we get pretty circle jerky, and I think a lot of people here wear this as an identity and some people let this consume their life. But hey, at least you all ain't Anthony Burch... Or worse, someone who looks up to Anthony Burch. (shudders)

                      [–]NightOfTheLivingHam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      like that time there was a white guy saying he was black?

                      [–]campbell14085 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      This is what happens when you tone police. Congrats on being SJWs.

                      [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      It was literally a few people who tone policed, whereas the majority disagreed.

                      We can't have ideological purity.

                      [–]RavenscroftRaven 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Ze purity iz koming! Ze purity time iz koming!

                      [–]PadaV4 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      When i read the KIA thread about the article, almost every fucking top post was crying about him using the "wrong" pronouns, instead of actually talking about the article.

                      [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Link?

                      [–]PadaV4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      What the heck i cant find the thread anymore ಠ_ಠ Well umm i cant verify so you don't have to believe me. Maybe i will find it later.

                      [–]PadaV4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Oh i was thinking of another thread i read yesterday! It was this one https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3kjcte/opinionthe_contradiction_of_claiming_samus_aran/

                      Its full with people crying "Muh pronouns! Muh pronouns! You and your opinion sucks because your pronoun usage triggered me!" Seriously let the quotes speak for themselves.

                      Stopped reading as soon as I saw her referred to as "he".

                      What the flying fuck, i felt like had accidentally stumbled into a secret SRS meeting.

                      [–]usery 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      No, this is what happens when people make excuses for people old enough to know better. He talks about PC being bad. Well, he just triggered himself like a sjw.
                      He can't talk about not liking political correctness when he has such thin skin himself. Stop excusing ecelebs, it normalizes bad behavior.

                      [–]SomeReditor38641 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Difficulty: Allowing criticism of speech is a necessary part of free speech. "You can say whatever you want as long as you don't tone police" lacks a certain self-awareness.

                      They can tone police all they want. But you don't have to give their words any weight.

                      [–]KarzanGilgrikssonCited by Based Bokhari 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      So, are we going to start tweeting support at Mark?

                      [–]NumberedDog 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      He's getting plenty.

                      [–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      We did. Not sure what he thinks though.

                      [–]LanceLiege 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Just let him rest, tensions are high with Nyberg and Goldberg being the crux of the whole 24 hours.

                      [–]HateFollows 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I am one of the people who tweeted at Mark about the issue of him referring to Sarah Butts as 'him'. This is what I said

                      @Grummz this seems like unpersoning. If someone does something you don't like, that doesn't mean you get to remove their gender from them.

                      I think it stands on its own but to give it some more context I would say that this is not a new issue, this is something that's been dealt with in the past several times. For instance, a lot of people hated Muhamed Ali for various reasons - some just simple racism, others because of his stances on the Vietnam war/civil rights issues and his conversion to Islam and many of them refused to call him by that name, instead using his birth name, Cassius Clay. This was done in an effort to unperson him, to deny him the common courtesy of being referred to as the name that he preferred - to deny him any legitimacy in public life.

                      If that was largely done by people on the right, the left is just as or even more guilty of doing the same, even in America in recent times. Take Rick Santorum, here was a man who said some things that some people didn't like, so instead of just engaging with those ideas critically, they proceeded to make his last name a euphemism for a disgusting byproduct of anal sexual intercourse.

                      Being civil to people who agree with you is no great virtue, being civil to people who are not civil to you is. Civility and good manners should not just be a thin coating over an underlying savagery, ready to be discarded at the merest hint of blood in the water.

                      If Mark Kern didn't believe that Trans people were actually the gender that they present and he was merely humoring them out of goodwill? then removing that courtesy because of Sarah's actions would perhaps be, however petty, understandable but as far as I know, Mark is a real supporter of Trans rights, which makes his actions in this case baffling to me. It's like if I (someone who is not a racist) got into a fight with a black guy and screamed "You fucking nigger!" And then when called on it, proceeded to say that I called him that because his actions had removed his right not to be called a nigger, and further, I just wanted to separate him from all of the good black people!

                      [–]Bizz408 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      He'll be back. I'm not even worried.

                      [–]LanceLiege 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Still though, it's a problem for GG that has been rearing it's ugly head more than often. This PC bullshit should stop and let people say what they want to say, if it's stupid, it's rope they hang themselves with. Seriously.

                      [–]cormano64 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      So "don't criticize your own"?

                      No, I much rather say "grow a thicker skin". Because speaking in public means being open to criticism as well.

                      [–]LanceLiege 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Yes, and what prey tell... Is the merit of their criticism against him? PC? Identity politics?

                      Yes, he was being a douche, but the PC bastards were no better.

                      Thats why i said let them hang themselves with their own rope. Just so happens the people with the longest rope were the PC bitches.

                      [–]PadaV4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Not when the fucking crying from the GG social justice crowd, about the goddamn pronouns, drowns out the discussion about the actual things that matter. If tone policing is the most important thing in gamergate, than gamergate is dead. All the SJWlite idiots can stuff a cactus up their asses.

                      [–]Goladus 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      I don't see the big deal. All he did was decide he didn't want to talk about GG and Politics anymore. His next tweets expressed approval of beautiful voluptuous anime women with exposed navels. I don't think this is anything to worry about.

                      [–]TuesdayRB"I'm pretty sure Wikipedia is a trap" 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      It's a big deal because some idiots like to attack their supposed allies.

                      SJW ideology is poison. All tone-policing and concern trolling should be rejected outright.

                      [–]LanceLiege 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      let people be douchebags. The douchiest will hang themselves first, then the next, then the next. Wasn't our approach to douchebags was to give them enough rope? Why are we resorting to PC and PR bullshit?

                      If anything, I prefer being respected as the level of jackass that I am, than to be looked up upon like a saint as the person I am not. This applies to Kern and those PC Fucktards.

                      [–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      He comes off like a whiny bitch like Anita. I mean, Anita is still worse, but this whole "oh my god, criticizing me is harassment" shit needs to stop.

                      [–]IIHotelYorba -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Yeah, seems surprisingly thin skinned right now. Don't know what's up with that.

                      [–]BGSacho -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I agree - ok, people disagreed with you, tell them to go fuck themselves, was that so hard? He can even write an article detailing his feelings and point people to it. I still maintain that twitter is shit and the majority that uses it seems to have an unhealthy emotional attachment to it.

                      [–]PadaV4 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Whoops, more personal attacks to Mark Kern right here. We all know you where one of the people crying about his crime of using the "wrong" pronouns.

                      [–]TweetPoster 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      @Grummz:

                      2015-09-12 06:13:39 UTC

                      I'm not going to discuss GG/aGG stuff anymore. It's pointless. You can't leave a tag, but I can stop talking about it. I'm out. Navel ftw.

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                      [–]H_Guderian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Stop talking about it on Twitter and do that League for Gamers thing you've got. Twitter can survive for a little while.

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                      [–]Myrealnameistoouniqu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      What did the fags get offended by now?

                      [–]bobbybonnadouchey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      This is KOP or IA all over again.

                      No e celeb madonnas please.

                      [–]Agkistro13 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Threads about the Mark Kern scenario hover at less than 100 upvotes, that bullshit about Brietbart writing a paragraph about some BLM woman nobody heard of hits 1500. Says a lot about the state of KIA right there.

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