I've only just finished reading the introduction and I already feel like this book validates everything I've currently been thinking and feeling.

theefaceless1 · 53分前

That's fish buddy, and one anecdotal experience.

We point to followers making progress

Progress in what exactly? You guys don't look for moksa anyway.

We have descriptions of jivan muktas in the sastras, it's ridiculous to compare him to them.

Man, you are just another level of stupid. Ramakrishna was a jivanmukta by any standard, the level of wisdom he had for an illiterate man testifies to this, as does people like Ramana Maharshi, who were also not read in the shastras, but their words matched up with Advaita sruti.

One of the primary qualities of a jivanmukta is his lack of concern for anything other than the Self, this is purely exemplified in the life of Ramakrishna. To call someone of his caliber fraudulent is a reflection of your stupidity.

lisasteve30 · 11時間前

Yeah, as I mentioned, INRIX doesn't even measure any Asian cities, so don't offer that as evidence.

lisasteve30 · 11時間前

have you ever been to Delhi? Or any Indian metropolis? Have you seen the kind of snarls that happen there? I don't make up causes, I explain why they are what they are.

I just checked the INRIX website, it looks like they only study Europe and North American cities

lisasteve30 · 11時間前

Look, I'm telling you why rules are not followed, the 11 million number is from the Indian census 2011, which I'll trust over UN data.

I'm telling you why there are more accidents despite rash driving, drunk driving etc happening elsewhere in the world too. That happens because of lack of infrastructure and proper lane barriers.

lisasteve30 · 13時間前

Right, so you agree they are similar in size when you don't use 2 different forms of measurement...

2 million people is a large gap, dude.

driving over the speed limit, driving under the influence, and not using helmets and seat belts

I'm pretty sure this happens in other nations as well. The greater problem is in vehicle density and lack of proper lane division with heavy barriers. That's why the failure to maintain lanes is mentioned, in rush hour traffic, no one wants to maintain lanes and be late, and everyone breaks the rules all at once.

theefaceless1 · 13時間前

Nope, Ramanuja is close to adhering to sruti, Madhva is not, and neither are the Goswamis. Sruti just doesn't support hard bheda.

Smriti is legitimate, but only when it agrees with sruti, and these traditions overuse smriti against sruti.

advaita focues on vedanta because it focuses on moksa. It defers to mimamsa for the ritual aspects. There is nothing wrong with this.

Again, I'm waiting for these meat eating swamis. I did a cursory google search and apart from some ramblings of Prabhupada, didn't find anything.

Making progress does not mean gaining followers. Sorry. Ramakrishna didn't belong to a tradition, he didn't need to, he was a jivanmukta. Vivekananda never called himself traditional either. Doesn't lessen their importance.

lisasteve30 · 14時間前

If you don't count the metropolitan population, it comes to 11 million, which is still 2 million more people.

I'm going to guess the roads are more narrow and traffic more dense in Delhi. There are also problems like no specified bike lanes or 2 wheeler lanes. In general traffic is more chaotic in India due to a lack in infrastructure.

lisasteve30 · 14時間前

No, London has a population of 8.6 million, while Delhi has a population 16 million.

thejjjman · 15時間前

Hi, source for the Midgley passage?

theefaceless1 · 17時間前

Yeah, sruti doesn't support your position, sorry. There's a reason you guys love the puranas so much, you need those later materials to support your shitty metaphysics. That's why you have articles claiming smriti is as valid as sruti, it clearly isn't.

Again, I don't know where you sanyassins eating meat, but the idea that meat eating is thoroughly wrong isn't a part of Hinduism. Visvanatha the Nyayika wrote against it, claiming it was a Buddhist doctrine.

Also, you guys have been bashing Advaita for a while, we don't mind, we've faced arguments from and replied to acharyas of far greater caliber than yours.

again, gaining followers is not the job of a parampara, and it's hilarious that you think that. The parampara passes on the teaching faithfully, thats it. Sruti doesn't care about followers either.

0_on_my_timeline · 17時間前

They give a timeline that is impossible, they also claim jurisdiction over other mathas. Basically they go against what the other mathas stand for. This sounds like a revisionist power grab.

theefaceless1 · 21時間前

This is the lamest I've seen yet. Congratulations.

Why does it have to be "sruti based parampara"?

Since dharma and moksa is known only from sruti and only a proper parampara can pass the teaching on. This is basic stuff.

By arguments and quotes?

By reasoning, by adherence to sruti and agreement with it. Next I expect you to ask why sruti is even important.

we have thousands of new devotees to show for it.

Ah yes, the missionary reply. Finally, this is the best GV has. Well, apart from the fact that having more people on your side doesn't make you right, you are outclassed by both Islam and Christianity, so why not join them?

What have Ramakrishna and Vivekananda left us with? That ridiculous neo-advaita and a couple of arm chair philosophers?

They've left us modern Hinduism, a level of influence that goes beyond white people dancing in the streets. They've left us the Ramakrishna mission, and not people handing out pamphlets at airports. In short, they've left us people who are serious, not whiners.

Seriously, this is among the most ignorant things I've read. I didn't know there were morons big enough to call Sri Ramakrishna and Swami Vivekananda charlatans. I guess lashing out at people better than them is all GV is good for.

goongla · 23時間前

Does Wikipedia cite anything on that?

goongla · 23時間前

Yeah, I Know, OPs case is atrociously bad.

0_on_my_timeline · 1日前

I've only read hearsay, like you. But in India it doesn't take someone genuine to be popular.

goongla · 1日前

Did you understand the story at all? Cause nothing you say is remotely relevant.

The eating bird is the individual trapped in samsara, the jiva, who experiences the fruits of samsara, such as pleasure and pain.

The other bird is Ishwara, who is ever free from samsara and its fruits, omniscient and the true Self of the jiva.

The jiva is trapped in samsara unless he can look up from the fruit he is eating to Ishwara.

This is the story.

1 Two birds, united always and known by the same name, closely cling to the same tree. One of them eats the sweet fruit; the other looks on without eating.

2 Seated on the same tree, the jiva moans, bewildered by his impotence. But when he beholds the other, the Lord worshipped by all and His glory, he then becomes free from grief.

3 When the seer beholds the self— luminous Creator, the Lord, the Purusha, the progenitor of Brahma, then he, the wise seer, shakes off good and evil, becomes stainless and reaches the supreme unity.

goongla · 1日前

Wher exactly is the bird specified to be female? The eating bird is the jiva, the watching bird is Ishwara. Where does gender come into this?

Miles_Christe · 1日前

Moksa isn't something that happens to you. It's not a result of an action or the attaining of something new. So there's no question of a yuga blocking moksa.

0_on_my_timeline · 1日前

Yeah, the timeline they present is totally wrong. The Kanchi matha cannot be trusted.

theefaceless1 · 1日前

Basically, he did whatever took his fancy, and that's why in Gaudiya vaishnavism he is considered a charlatan.

Gaudiya Vaishnavas judging Sri Ramakrishna's genuineness. That's the joke of the day. Come back when you have an actual sruti based parampara.

jogarz · 2日前

Obviously you do not know about the school of the Euphoric Thunderbolt, started by Rinopche Harris Dorjee.

theefaceless1 · 2日前

No, not at all like that. The main difference is that traditional Advaita puts scripture at a higher footing than neo Advaita.

There's a book called Accomplishing the accomplished: the Vedas as a source of valid knowledge in Śankara that you should read if you want to know the difference.

indigosnowflake · 2日前

Yes, but that's the problem, how do you know that the Neo-pagan wants vairagya? I mean, come on, how many people want vairagya?

indigosnowflake · 3日前

You're confused about certain things. There's always a cultural barrier that needs to be overcome here. For example, how well do they know the deity? A born Hindu will always "get" Hindu deities better than a person who has read books on the subject. This is acknowledged by all academics who work on foreign cultural issues.

So they will always bring presuppositions to the practice and those presuppositions may very well not jive with Hinduism. That somebody simply takes a fancy to this or that deity does not mean they can appreciate that deity in its own context, and that will distort any intention that the person may have

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