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[–]frankster 45ポイント46ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think CCP shouldn't get involved in politics. Japan corps and Korean corps should battle in game and decide the real name of the islands that way.

[–]ForlornWongravenHabitual Euthanasia 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

You need Kim's defence forces too.

[–]CerberusMultiFanfest 2015 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

What would that be? A hull tanked shuttle?

[–]twizzlesparkGoonswarm Federation[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]StingAuer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why would you link a download for an image?

[–]Ducktruck_OGTest Alliance Please Ignore 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

stabber with slightly burned mods and 50% armor/structure hp penalty. And no highslots.

[–]Bap1811 86ポイント87ポイント  (11子コメント)

This warning by CCP had close resemblance to oppression of our culture as what was done to us during world war 2.

I was with you until this bit.

[–]KantasticMinmatar Republic 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

Careful they might spot you, CCP Adolf

[–]ExF-AltrueBrave Collective 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Literally Hitler

[–]dertydanDixon Cox Butte Preservation Society 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

booda once got a 3 day ban for "looks like hitler didn't gas all the jews" while we were killing krabz

[–]ExF-AltrueBrave Collective 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well maybe I'm wrong but that sounds offensive.

[–]Seraph9BasarabBlack Legion. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

...well...technically he's not wrong...

[–]SartyvaWormholer 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

yep..that line and the one about upseting any nation is just overshooting the target imensely

[–]IamA_Werewolf_AMAAngel Cartel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There were a few bits of subtle hyperbole in here that I took as being a joke.

[–]HerlockGallente Federation 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This... that just prove that it's not just a random name ressemblance and it's done on purpose.

They played, they lost. Be men and swallow it up, ask for corp rename and move on.

[–]MrGothmogWormholer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want to link a post below but my phone is being a tard so I had to screencap it. Please direct upvotes to that charming fellow.

Tl;dr OP, you wasted 1mb of bandwidth and 5 min of my life I will never get back. Stop badposting, the only thing you were victims of is your own belligerent attitudes.

[–]SerpentineLogicAL3XAND3R. 43ポイント44ポイント  (14子コメント)

So you shout out DOKDO supremacy because that's your corp name?

I wonder who owns the corp with ticker WHITE.

[–]one1 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

I see no problem with someone shouting WHITE supremacy if they're referring to their corp.

[–]khadorvessRvB - BLUE Republic 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I spoken to at least two pilots to whom this applies, neither of them actually knew of the political connotations. They assumed it was a reference to DOKDO corporation in GSF.

Its horse shit of the highest order to get an official warning which will bar them from things like serving in ISD in the future simply because they said something so innocuous.

[–]CerberusMultiFanfest 2015 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just found my new alliance ticker!

[–]SquizzzKillboard Admin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

nope, already taken!

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    [–]knobber_jobblerBat Country 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Evoke, called Nazis for years. Didn't ticket CCP. Kids today.

    [–]wqwcnmamsd 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Evoke petitioned everything. Everything. It got to the point where we anchored the shield hardeners for a CSAA tower in the shape of a swastika in order to know when they were scouting them. As soon as a GM contacted us about it we knew Evoke had found the tower.

    [–]HerlockGallente Federation 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    LOL that's META (L) !!!! :D

    [–]Hurt69420Miner 34ポイント35ポイント  (7子コメント)

    [–]totallynotdocweedBat Country 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Farming them upgoats

    [–]RaterthemanAmarr Empire 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I hope he was joking. On a side note, let's ask Fozzie who's rightful land Gaza/West Bank/East Jerusalem is and open up a new can of worms. Point being, CCP should really try to avoid going down this path.

    [–]ZealesAnime Masters 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All of my upvotes for you.

    [–]StingAuer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    FYI everyone, this has a 99.99% chance of being made with that webtool that makes it easy to make fake CCP posts.

    [–]Rob_Kaichin 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Lemba himself was quoted as posting, “JAPAN RECOGNIZE DOKDO AND THE PAIN WILL STOP... Until they accept Dokdo as the correct name for our island we will stay.” "

    Yeah sure, the use of DOKDO wasn't political at all, you're all a bunch of oppressed victims, CCP is an evil meanie...

    /s

    Come on, you lost the battlecry point when your leader said that. CCP is gonna change the ticker, or they're gonna dissolve the corp.

    You got your one warning. Count yourself lucky that you got a GM that didn't give you instant bans. CCP holds the right to do whatever they want in EVE. It's their game, their rules, their choices.

    Honestly, you should've left after you'd wrecked the event. That would've kept it in Eve, not out of game crap. Unfortunately you didn't, and now you get punished.

    [–]INITMalcanis 35ポイント36ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Says ccp was wrong because not political, not a big deal

    Then proves it by linking to how big a deal the politics make it

    Is the op

    PS can I have your stuff now before you get banned and its permanently inaccessible?

    [–]smithsp86 2ポイント3ポイント  (14子コメント)

    CCP issued warnings because of politically motivated petitions. But then CCP says they don't want to get involved in politics.

    [–]jorbleshi_kadeshiPandemic Legion 12ポイント13ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Honestly by making warnings based on politics, they've involved themselves in politics.

    The intelligent course of action is to NOT ban based on politics, then anything that players do is just players doing, not a lack of enforcement by CCP.

    Ees a dumb policy.

    [–]smithsp86 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Exactly my point. If CCP doesn't want to get itself involved in politics like this then they should spend more than 5 seconds analyzing a petition before issuing a warning. But CCP has always had really inconsistent rules enforcement. It is well known among the players that if you end up dealing with a GM it's all just luck of the draw.

    I know a ganker who lost a target because a GM move the freighter based on a stuck in space petition after 5 minutes of bumping (15 minutes total, but he lost the bump and caught the guy in the next system). The GM in question is known to dislike ganking and CCP has very little oversight in place to prevent personal prejudice from coloring GM decisions.

    I suspect that the instance described by OP is probably a case of a GM that just doesn't like goons. It has been publicly stated by Scion that CCP has dismissed his input as a CSM member because of his affiliation with goons. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if that prejudice extends beyond the devs. The problem is when GMs take action without assessing all the facts then they are bound to end up inserting themselves in a situation they want no part of.

    [–]jorbleshi_kadeshiPandemic Legion 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It has been publicly stated by Scion that CCP has dismissed his input as a CSM member because of his affiliation with goons.

    Given that Goons make up a vast slice of the playerbase and the CSM is mostly Goon-affiliated, I doubt very much that there's a real anti-Goon bias.

    BUT WAIT. AREN'T GOONS A POLITICAL GROUP?

    THEN AREN'T WE CURRENTLY HAVING A DISAGREEMENT OVER POLITICAL THINGS?

    OHSHITBANSINCOMING.

    [–]mahatma666I Whip My Slaves Back And Forth 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That paints it with too broad a brush. Sion has said that a few of the devs have criticized his input because he's associated with goonswarm, he's never implied a systematic bias from CCP.

    [–]WDadadeTest Alliance Please Ignore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think there once was a slight resemblance of what maybe was a political discussion on the TEST forums. I think we're fucked.

    [–]totallynotdocweedBat Country -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Give your isk to "Walter Stine" before you get banned plz

    [–]Silent_As_The_Grave_Brave Collective 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The GM in question is known to dislike ganking

    Who?

    [–]smithsp86 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Can't say. I don't want to skirt closer to the 'revealing GM communications' part of the EULA and get my buddy banned. It's unfortunate that CCP takes such a hard line on the issue because a database of GM responses would be very useful. It would also make it much easier for players to prove when a GM is full of shit which is why CCP doesn't allow it.

    [–]INITMalcanis 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Funny how other goons have not had similar issues.

    [–]SerpentineLogicAL3XAND3R. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're implying that Sion never stops politicking?

    Well I never.

    [–]TappitssPandemic Legion 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Can i start a corp called Falkland Island [0URS]?

    [–]AlexanderspantsTest Alliance Please Ignore 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sure , just don't be upset when the Empire strikes back.

    [–]abkiller 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No need ... we won

    [–]RaterthemanAmarr Empire 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The successful liberation of 10 people and 20,000 goats.

    [–]JoeTedGallente Federation 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It should be returned to France!

    [–]ArkonOlacarTest Alliance Please Ignore 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    As long as the CEO character is called "Las Malvinas"

    [–]knobber_jobblerBat Country 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Surely the CEO is Thatcher.

    [–]DunaradSnaiLs aNd FroGs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    MALVINAS ARGENTINAS GIBRALTAR ESPANOL!

    [–]PixelBoomJump Drive Appreciation Society 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Which Korea are you talking about here? South Korea or Best Korea?

    [–]sheephoundBlack Rebel Rifter Club 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There is only one Korea. You have been banned from /r/pyongyang.

    [–]PixelBoomJump Drive Appreciation Society 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's OK. Glorious Leader is still in my heart.

    [–]TheDivineArchitect 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Let me explain to you why everything you have written here is wrong.

    The fact you are referring to the Liancourt Rocks as "Dokdo" is in itself, an inflammatory and anti-Japanese sentiment. It's the same as calling the Falklands the "Malvinas" or the US "the colonies", the very name is belligerent.

    Secondly, there are two sections of the TOS that encompass this:

    ou may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)

    Which as previously stated, you knew full well what the name of your corporation represented to a larger majority, yet chose to ignore it and even flaunt it. After you and your members were instructed to stop harassing players in local, you continued on with it:

    You will follow the instructions of authorized personnel while in the EVE Online game world or using the EVE Online web site.

    GMs were telling you to stop making things worse, now you're butt hurt about being asked to follow their rules.

    Even if all that were not the case, harassment and racism often occurs regardless of intent. It doesn't really matter if you don't feel like something is racist, it only matters that someone else does (See for example: Washington Redskins controversy).

    The fact that you are trying to justify yourself by mentioning "Imperial Japanese aggression" and a "culture wipe" suggests to me that your intentions were belligerent from the outset.

    And to add icing on the cake, you immediately ran to TMC and reddit to plead your case by calling people who you offended barbarians and discussing actions of Eve GMs (itself, yet another breach of the EULA).

    Good job, but you won't find sympathy here.

    [–]Ducktruck_OGTest Alliance Please Ignore 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Argentina will reclaim the Malvinas!

    [–]Bearhobag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It'll happen the same day -A- stops being shit

    [–]HTL2001Spectre Fleet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It doesn't really matter if you don't feel like something is racist, it only matters that someone else does

    Can't quite get behind this, it would be far too easy to abuse this to screw with corps you just don't like.

    [–]RaterthemanAmarr Empire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The fact you are referring to the Liancourt Rocks as "Dokdo" is in itself, an inflammatory and anti-Japanese sentiment.

    Maybe I am missing something but....doesn't nobody hold sovereignty over these islands? It is currently occupied by South Korea. I see some big problems with your line of thinking. If calling it Dokdo is offensive to Japanese...isn't calling it Takeshima offensive to South Koreans?

    It's the same as calling the Falklands the "Malvinas" or the US "the colonies", the very name is belligerent.

    How so? Would you prefer they use the western name for the islands (Liancourt Rocks) or what they have been calling it for hundreds of years? Takeshima and Dokdo existed long before Liancourt Rocks.

    [–]LuciaDenniardLove Squad 19ポイント20ポイント  (43子コメント)

    Just ask them to give you a free corp rename, our corp originally had a racist ticker because our CEO wanted to be edgy, CCP gave us a free rename.

    [–]kerbaal 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The thing is....lots of things are offensive to someone. Hell, when I worked at a university we assigned usernames as first initial, last name truncated to 5.... we got a special request one day: "Please change this users username, as it is a swear in his native language".

    Honestly, I never considered "Lynch" a particularly racially charged word itself, and only within the past few years found out some people found it particularly offensive. That is part of the issue.... all symbols exist in the mind of the beholder.

    I feel like the most diplomatic solution is always the most bone headed; and exactly what OP proposes. Only statements clearly OOC should be subject to such warnings.

    Saying the name of your corp without any statement indicating its anything else is an IC activity fully within a legitimate context.

    If only one or a couple of people mentioned the real life events, they are the ones who should be spoken to about it. However, I do think an offer should be made to the corp to ask them "Do you want to change your name to something less likely to cause misunderstandings?"

    However, there are a million ways to be offended so, I don't think that sort of change should need to be mandatory; just a courtesy to avoid friction.

    [–]Vermino 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    But what if you gave those initials with that offense in mind?
    OP's opening about WW2, oppression, nation pride and so much more makes it clear that those aren't just some random initials. They were chosen for a purpose.
    I would certainly agree with your point if it turned out that OP just found out that DOKDO was a dispute while being brazilian himself.

    [–]SunbeerI'm Fine and You 15ポイント16ポイント  (30子コメント)

    Except our ticker isn't racist, and why should we change?

    [–]OpenObDutch East Querious Company 12ポイント13ポイント  (29子コメント)

    It's a provocation against another country. Is this really necessary in a game about spaceships?

    I want to play a game. I want to shot at other player. I don't want to discuss about borders or get shittalk because stuff politicans do.

    [–]KantasticMinmatar Republic 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Bob akbur

    [–]larikiaLove Squad 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Why is it unacceptable to provoke people in this game? Provocations are 90% of what is in local chat outside empire.

    [–]lairosenMinmatar Republic 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Why is it unacceptable to provoke people in this game?

    Provocation should stay on ingame issues. That's the same reason why you'll get banned if you make death threats that aren't explicitly ingame.

    [–]jorbleshi_kadeshiPandemic Legion -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Death threats == Political discourse
    Political feels == Actual issues to petition over
    CCP == entity tasked with keeping everyone's feels intact

    This is what /u/lairosen actually believes.

    EDIT: I am so embarrassed for this community. We're willing to completely give in to trolls and the like ALL IN THE NAME OF FUCKING FEELS FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. Fuck off back to Tumblr.

    [–]StingAuer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    CCP doesn't seem to have a problem with provocation, insults, etc related to in-game things. They only have a problem when out of game things are brought into it. Call that guy you hate a filthy fucking goon all you want, don't go calling him a spic.

    [–]Pirami 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    DOKDO = corp name. Definitely INGAME ISSUE.

    [–]MrYakimoAngel Cartel 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    If it didn't mean anything outside of the game, you'd be right.

    [–]Pirami -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It didn't mean anything actually. Because it is just a name of island in Korean.

    [–]HerlockGallente Federation 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Most MMO's, and I assume EvE works the same, have rules for naming shit within the game universe :

    • don't use insulting words
    • don't try to show up as something you ain't (like naming yourself CCP_Fuzzie)
    • don't use CCP IP names (like Alexandre Noire)
    • and don't use stuff that actually exist

    IF you do so, you leave yourself opened to getting petitionned for it. And given the content of the QQ from OP, I feel it's well deserved because half his post is about his national pride...

    [–]TROPtasticGoonswarm Federation 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Totally, that's why CCP cited political issues when discussing the name /s

    [–]SunbeerI'm Fine and You 6ポイント7ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Is it? Really? This game has a long standing tradition of people from all different countries banding together with their country-folk, and giving their groups nationalistic names like "Red Alliance" and no one gave a shit, this isn't really any different.

    [–]PixelBoomJump Drive Appreciation Society 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    yes.

    [–]SartyvaWormholer 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

    you should maybe set for a line first and not disprove the other members of your corp all the time "it's not a political statement" - "it's nationalistic like "red alliance""...seriously...

    [–]SunbeerI'm Fine and You 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Are the Russian groups making a political statement with an alliance name that is literally "Soviet Union"? No, it's just a name that ties them together, they aren't saying that the eastern block countries should be back under the iron curtain.

    [–]alliancTriumvirate. 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

    But there's nothing political about "Soviet union" or "red alliance". War's over.

    There's seems to be a dissonance here between nationalistic and political. Notice how there aren't any alliances that are named after sensitive political issues. If CCP allowed an alliance called "free Crimea" then you would have a point. Similarly, if you wanted a nationalistic name, like finfleet, you could use something like daehanmingu. There's nothing wrong with that, because being nationalistic is not the same as being poetically insensitive.

    [–]verbalwhale 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    But there's nothing political about "Soviet union"

    Say that to anyone over 40 living in Eastern Europe, or hell, even their offspring.

    [–]RaterthemanAmarr Empire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There is real slippery slope potential if we go on with this line of thinking.

    [–]StopDoxxingMeThe Bastion 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Or to a Pole at all.

    The Polish are still pissed as a country.

    [–]Popotuni 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The Polish have been pissed for how many hundred years now? No one ever respects them. It's just part of life now.

    [–]Rhydderch7734Test Alliance Please Ignore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not ongoing.

    [–]smithsp86 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    War's over.

    Tell that to Crimea

    [–]CeleryStickBeatingScope Works 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    poetically insensitive

    I don't care! e e cummings is my hero!

    [–]AnslolScope Works 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The difference is none of the other groups have recently positioned carriers and played chicken over the yellow sea with fighters, destroyers, bombers, etc. Stop trying to compare the current situation with issues in the past like they are relevant to eve today.

    [–]jorbleshi_kadeshiPandemic Legion 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's a provocation against another country.

    OH NO POLITICAL SPACEFEELS IN A SPACEGAME ON THE INTERNET.

    Who gives a fuck? Why on earth do we want there to be a precedent where anyone can get their fe fees in a twist over some political slight then go crying to CCP to change someone's name?

    Why does CCP feel that their intervention in political matters is warranted or desired?

    Why do people support this kind of thinking?

    If someone's corp name/ticker makes you mad, go blow up their spaceships or HTFU.

    [–]Purity_the_KittyTest Alliance Please Ignore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Seriously. If you hate them that much go fucking spacewar on them.

    [–]LembaFC 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ffffuuuuck no. Never.

    DOKDO SUPREMACY

    [–]DorfidiotQuafing around 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

    "First is that the statement is not political."

    Lol, you are so full of shit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks_dispute

    You really don't think a Japanese person could be upset by "DOKDO Supremacy" coming from a korean?

    [–]Rhydderch7734Test Alliance Please Ignore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is EVE; there are always people trying to push the boundaries of what's okay.

    This guy is just a goon whining because CCP is calling them out on their bullshit.

    [–]blackertai 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This warning by CCP had close resemblance to oppression of our culture as what was done to us during world war 2.

    You're ridiculous.

    [–]drifterAgentPilot is a suspect 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

    However, it is sad to see that CCP would rather upset whole nation's population instead of admitting a simple mistake.

    You say it's not about politics- but then why would all of Korea be upset?

    This warning by CCP had close resemblance to oppression of our culture as what was done to us during world war 2.

    Maybe not that close.

    Politics don't belong in the game. Your corp name should be changed.

    [–]__Solecist_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I'm lost at how a whole population will be upset about this.

    [–]OMG_WTFLOLGoonswarm Federation 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    While we're discussing CCP's enforcement of their EULA, do you happen to have a link to a TMC story about this bit?

    Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.

    [–]SlipperyPeete 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

    The fun thing is: i recently report a player for support in his bio a terrorist organisation, "the Luhansk Republic". GM response was the usual copy pasta troll, he didn't change the bio.

    https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Raigant%20Flower/

    [–]jorbleshi_kadeshiPandemic Legion 13ポイント14ポイント  (10子コメント)

    See this right here is why CCP shouldn't involve themselves at ALL.

    Unless you're threatening another player IRL or breaking the law, you should be able to say/do whatever. This way CCP is immune from being accused of favoring one political side over another.

    If they involve themselves in one political issue, they must involve themselves in all of them. Given that any group of people of any size can find something to bicker over, the scale of the headache CCP is signing up for is tremendous.

    You people don't need a nanny. Stop demanding one.

    [–]neologia[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    By not prohibiting political or racial slurs CCP would very likely potentially expose themselves to all kind of avoidable legal issues.

    [–]RaterthemanAmarr Empire 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    By prohibiting racial slurs yes probably. Political? Not so much. Though in the great variety of ways the word race can be interpreted, you can pretty much extend that over everything.

    [–]CeleryStickBeatingScope Works 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The game might get into some real sticky issues in Germany if CCP didn't have some level of control going.

    [–]SlipperyPeete -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Publicly supporting a terrorist organization IS breaking the law. At least in every civilized country.

    [–]jorbleshi_kadeshiPandemic Legion 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I'm reasonably sure that it only applies to money and stuff (at least in the US). Free speech is and should continue to be a thing, even for things we find repulsive.

    Having that post in their bio doesn't hurt you and it doesn't put bullets in their guns. It just makes you mad. They should be allowed to make you mad.

    [–]Frederica07The Volition Cult 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You guys have to accept, that US law doesn't apply all over the world. Facebook get's a lot of heat here in Germany currently, because they are allowing more hatespeech against refugees on their website than the German public wants to tolerate. There is also certain Nazi stuff allowed in the US that would get you in prison in Germany or Austria. Every culture should define for themselves, what they want to tolerate. The US are a major source for Nazi propaganda, because "free speech", but the f-word is censored almost everywhere. Facebook censores every nipple, but they think it's "free speech", when people are applauding the death of hundrets of refugees. That's bullshit.

    [–]NonZZtopTHORN Syndicate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wait, they put people in prison for expressing a view in Germany? That's some fucked up 1984 thought crime shit.

    Also the internet is a global network that does not belong to any country.

    [–]SlipperyPeete 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not only money and stuff. In my Country (and im sure the same in your country) also the propaganda is forbidden. Im italian

    http://www.lastampa.it/2015/02/10/italia/cronache/palazzo-chigi-approva-il-decreto-antiterorrismo-dtxUuv4dHM9bfGFzf1Jw7N/pagina.html

    most recent

    [–]HerlockGallente Federation 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Free speech is something that some (actually most) countries don't enforce the way americans do.

    Or rather should I say that most actually enforce some regulations. In germany nazi stuff will get you to prison fairly quickly. Racism and gay hate is also prohibited here in France. Discrimination in general toward a group is frowned upon.

    Last time I checked CCP is an icelandic company, and their datacenter is in europe.

    [–]wozzy_wozbourneEVE University 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

    This is perhaps why this started massive uproar in Korean gaming communities, some of them including: DCinside community, This is game news website, Today humor game forums, inven and many more.

    You mean other than the fact that you posted them? (seriously, you might want to use a different forum name besides your in-game name).

    [–]betelgeuse7Wormholer 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    We won the fight, we said "DOKDO Supremacy" just like any other times we win fights.

    So when you lose a fight, would you be okay with the victors spamming local with 'TAKESHIMA Supremacy" ?

    [–]dinklebobSleeper Slumber Party 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    More importantly, should either of you not being OK with the other's action prompt a response from CCP on the matter? Much less a response that could affect their subscription?

    [–]FeydRauthaHarkonnenBlack Legion. 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    News flash, EULA and local chat rules are deliberately ambiguous, and enforced with exponentially higher levels of retardation.

    True story, it doesn't matter if what you say in local is de facto offensive or not, if someone feels it is offensive and complains the GM's will deem it offensive.

    Sandbox my ass.

    [–]Aleyla 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As a gallentean industrial capsuleer I fully support the right of any group to seek justice when they feel they are wronged.

    How many railguns do you need and which station would you like them delivered to? Once I know that I'll happily get the contract details to you.

    We can also supply T1 or T2 hulls and ammo as necessary.

    [–]DrunkenSpudPandemic Legion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    People just need to learn how to grow a thickskin and stop being pussys reporting everything,the world is a nasty place and net is fucking horrible,so all those pussys out there man the fuck up buttercup.

    [–]Stunt_Salty Dipshit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    DOKDO SUPREMACY

    [–]Vermino 6ポイント7ポイント  (22子コメント)

    The fact that you need to make a post stating that "dokdo supremacy" is so important to spam says enough about it's value you guys have for it.
    You're also not spurring your nation, you're pointing out a dispute. And yes I would think PALESTINA SUPREMACY would be offensive and filled with a political message.
    USA supremacy doesn't really relate since that's a country. I wouldn't find KOREAN SUPREMACY offensive either.
    I'm sure most palestinians believe that Palestina is theirs. Much like all koreans believe dokdo is theirs. But the fact is there are factions oppossing those claims. (who is right is beside the point).
    So yeah, CCP seems to have done the right thing here. As the shout you are making is filled with a message, belief about a political statement.

    [–]OpenObDutch East Querious Company 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Imagine the mess when Israelis and Palestinians start arguing who "owns" Jerusalem in local.

    [–]jorbleshi_kadeshiPandemic Legion 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Imagine how little everyone else will care...

    Imagine how irrelevant such arguments will be to an internet spaceship game...

    Imagine how dumb of a precedent CCP is setting by forcing themselves to intervene in every political squabble any group could ever come up with on the face of the entire planet, rather than just sitting by and letting people argue. (Honestly if people weren't arguing about one thing, it would be something else)

    [–]Vermino 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Imagine playing a game and just enjoying it to get away from the real world.
    And considering how much of a world debate israel and Palestina is, I'd guess you'd have a huge post about it on reddit as well.
    So basicly your argument is - it's easier to let it be, so let it be. So real life threads are okay as well, because it's difficult to intervene, and only 1% actually does it anyway.

    [–]jorbleshi_kadeshiPandemic Legion 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Let the players talk about what they want to talk about as long as it's legal. If someone makes you mad, go blow them up or HTFU.

    Your feelings shouldn't be protected by a GM's banhammer lest someone else's feelings be used against you.

    I can't even believe I'm reading this shit right now.

    Should we start putting fucking trigger warnings on shit in Eve now?

    [–]TetraetcCONCORD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I believe you should see that CCP owns EVE and can enforce the EULA in any way they see fit.

    [–]kraut_ktCyno alt 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    This is just incosistend bullshit again from CCPs side.

    Either they think "DOKDO" violates their ToS/EULA, and therefore should most probably ban the ticker aswell - or its not and the bans are unjustified.

    [–]geggletoCalibrated Chaos 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

    bans are unjustified.

    there were no bans... just warnings

    [–]AlexanderspantsTest Alliance Please Ignore -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    So there will be bans, then.

    [–]geggletoCalibrated Chaos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ha, yeah ... im sad about it ;(

    [–]HerlockGallente Federation 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Spamming local has been frowned upon by CCP in the past I believe right ?

    [–]Rev_TeaCakeJump Drive Appreciation Society 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is the only comment that makes any sense in this thread.

    [–]banned_wagon 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Let's hope CCP doesn't overreact like they did when shutting down all the laguage channels after the trolling in the russian/ukrainian channels. I still miss the official laguage channels, and a lot of new players used them to get help when starting out in eve.

    [–]TROPtasticGoonswarm Federation 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    CCP? Make brash decisions without thinking? Never...

    [–]CeleryStickBeatingScope Works 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    IIRC the channels were shutdown because of manpower issues

    [–]ReganomicsLamborghinGoonswarm Federation 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    This seems like a really dumb situation for CCP to even get involved in. The reality is English is not the primary language for anyone involved. And as this thread is showing there seems to be some confusion even with the word supremacy. While the dictionary definition is clear the colloquial or cultural connotations we may associate in the west are not. Even still the "racism" question is foolish.

    While we can all sit here and google DOKDO and then claim that this can only be taken as a cultural provocation, most of us are not Korean or Japanese so it's pretty impossible for us to understand the actual cultural meaning or interpretation that may arise from everyday use. This could be like "cheeky nandos" in the same sense of outsiders vein completely unable to fully understand.

    The other fact is any comparison to the Gaza Strip is pretty foolish. This situation and most of the land disputes in the Pacific amount to little more than saber rattling and posturing. Both countries are extremely pragmatic and have deep diplomatic and economic ties. It's unfortunate that someone got offended, but that's going to happen on the internet.

    Asking a corp not to post their ticker in local is basically saying the ticker itself is offensive. Asking them to change their ticker now, would be really stupid.

    I wouldn't expect an apology from CCP though.

    [–]neologia[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Indeed many of us are neither Korean or Japanese. But that is irrelevant.

    Fact is that the issue is a political one. Bringing a political issue into the games public is against the EULA. Based on that warnings have been issued. Based on that the corp should be renamed. Period.

    You have to decide by the way, either you state that anyone who is neither Japanese nor Korean can judge the political importance of this issue or state that it is likely "little more than sabre rattling".

    EvE has very few hard rules with regards to ingame behaviour or language. Violating these really requires intention and effort or sheer stupidity.

    [–]LembaFC 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You are just as ignorant at CCP. It has NOTHING to do with politics. It is just the name that we chose for our ticker. The Japanese nerds mistranslated the english and used that as a platform for the petitions. You are legit trash and dont understand how simple of a non-issue this is.

    [–]smithsp86 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The term 'northern coalition' is highly offensive to southerners. I expect CCP to right this wrong soon.

    [–]totallynotdocweedBat Country -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They even said that there fancy logo of the confederation of xXPIZZAXx was bad. I feel my rights as a southerner are being trampled on. GRRRR CCP

    [–]CeleryStickBeatingScope Works 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Dang Canadians. Always so rude. /s lol

    [–]JamesbeamPandemic Legion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because today is Vile Rat Day I'll use a fun comic strip I was originally planning to keep until the next MoA shitpost to defuse the tension in a totally diplomatic way.

    http://i.imgur.com/PRgfyd5.jpg

    Now that we all had a laugh and are relaxed, let's tackle the "DOKDO Supremacy" issue.

    Where is Rust if you need him.
    RUST! Do your magic and unfuck this.

    [–]ExF-AltrueBrave Collective 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    FRANCE SUPREMACY

    /me awaits warning

    [–]totallynotdocweedBat Country -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    CCP feels bad for cheese eating surrender monkeys so no ban for you today

    [–]PraiseTheSunPVP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Guys, it's a giant rock in the ocean. Chill.

    [–]Seraph9BasarabBlack Legion. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Please don't turn Eve into some politically correct shit hole. I highly doubt most people in Iceland or around the world know, let alone care, about some politically disputed rocks used in East Asia's political shouting matches. HTFU all of you.

    [–]Jeremy_CrowMordus Angels 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    SLB! SLB! SLB SLB SLB!!!!

    [–]lygia_evePandemic Legion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You said 'territorial dispute'. But it's not true. It's Korean land such as Seoul. If you wrote it as 'territorial dispute', it is likr New York is in territorial dispute between USA and UK lol! Just some japanese politicians sometimes announce a worthless comment as political gesture to get more votes. Thus, hope u don't say territorial dispute. Dokdo is just Korean land like manhattan island to USA and Britain to The UK. U need to edit it just Korean land or island or territory!

    [–]pelukkenSnuffed Out -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    TL:DR...

    seems you are trying to be edgy with some type of space IRL politics mix. NO.

    [–]lygia_evePandemic Legion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't really like the situation that japanese politicians' gesture made even that Korean elite man regards Korean land as territorial dispute.

    [–]PufftreeesI'm Fine and You 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    DOKDO SUPREMACY!!!

    I must say I love being in DOKDO and all my Korean brethren. I can probably whip them at starcraft though ohhhh shit.

    These warnings and bans were so stupid. It's not political. We weren't killing the japanese and then making a political statement about taking their land.

    GET your fucking head out of your ass CCP jesus christ

    [–]WDadadeTest Alliance Please Ignore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My alt's name was once reported as sexually offenisve. It totally wasn't though. It was a real person's name though and they said that is against the rules, even referring to their naming policy. I read through the whole thing and not once was it mentioned that using a real person's name is not allowed. I pointed this out and I didn't get a reply until I made a new ticket.

    [–]Lincoln_FleetFedo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    While I think CCP trying to manage or control what people use as their own little battle-cry is a massive waste of time, I can't disagree that there is a distinct difference between BL's "USA USA" and the OP's "Dokdo Supremacy". The first is simply stating the name of a place which, it can be argued, is as benign as repeating any other proper noun since it's not a conditional statement. Stating the name of a place and a word that implies evaluation relative to someplace else immediately makes the phrase a political statement, so the two chants are quite different.

    That being said, I get the feeling that if a group was chanting things like "Israeli Supremacy" or "Ukraine Supremacy" would probably get a similar response from CCP, but only after they were reported by some douche canoe. My suggestion is to find the shrimpy shithead who complained about your chant and then grief and humiliate them until they biomass. It is the Eve way.

    [–]MorialGallente Federation 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So in the same token, I think some people can view chanting "USA" is offensive. What then? There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and I think having ccp decide what is and what is not offensive is just a can of worms they shouldn't open.

    [–]TiCLTest Alliance Please Ignore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is 4S drama all over again.

    [–]ArcherasPilot is a criminal -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

    If CCP bans you over that, let us know ;)

    peoples against USA on a 911.... I WONDER WHO THAT WOULD BE :O

    burn the heretics!

    [–]KantasticMinmatar Republic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Try "DOKDO VICTOR" instead

    [–]neologia[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I am not sure if I get this right?

    You name your corporation after the Korean name for an Island that is politically contested with Japan. This issue seems to be highly sensitive and historic. This island is also a subject that nationalists on both sides try to use for their political purposes.

    As battlecry for your corporation you choose that pro-Korean name of this island followed by the term Supremacy.

    Supremacy is defined by the Websters as "the quality or state of having more power, authority, or status than anyone else : the state of being supreme".

    So your battlecry is an expression of the Supremacy of this pro-Korean Name for the island. It is of course also an expression of the Supremacy of your corporation over anyone else.

    The fact that it can be read both ways is a result of your choices for a corporation name and a battlecry. You clearly seem to be aware about the political importance of your corps name in the real world. So this name has been unlikely choosen by chance. That very name is a political statement and in breach of the EULA.

    The Japanese players have rightfully taken offense of your battle cry and CCP has correctly issued a warning against bringing politics into the game. Just be happy that they do not rename your CORP or take further action.

    That said, I find other political or racist statement in the game, especially nationalistic ones also offensive.

    [–]Rev_TeaCakeJump Drive Appreciation Society 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    wew fam, spotted the imperialist agitator.

    [–]bugme143Goonswarm Federation 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    CCP bounces between "HTFU" and Tumblr-esque "YOU HURT MY FEELZ! BAN!" like a fucking superball.

    [–]HerlockGallente Federation 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    CCP is also bound by law at times, something they didn't quite look into when they made the HTFU clip.

    Since then people have been testing the limits of the TOS / Eula (and patience of the GM's) quite a lot.

    As far as I am concerned : I feel IRL shit should stay irl. There is plenty of opportunities within the game world to make a group's life miserable if you so desire.

    No need to bring irl politics on top of this.

    [–]LembaFC -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    DOKDO SUPREMACY

    [–]Ponyfinger1338 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This is a fucking game, so keep your stupid political shit out of it.

    dumbs

    [–]abkiller 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    you ok hun?

    [–]Ponyfinger1338 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    got message from putin, this not my business.

    [–]ENornCreate Alliance -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah, now you're going to get your corp ticker changed. Did you miss Stunt's whining this week?

    [–]PixelBoomJump Drive Appreciation Society 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I miss stunt.