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i don't find this sub to be very helpful (self.TheBluePill)

artichokess が 投稿

men that fall for TRP do so because they are seeking success in their personal lives and relationships. sometimes they find it, because some women are susceptible to abusive manipulation. all this sub seems to be doing is talking shit about them, which while completely justified, doesn't offer an attractive alternative, rather only makes them more defensive. i'd like to hear some stories about men who have had success in relationships through lifestyles that are criticized on TRP. if you actually care about these men, offer alternatives, show that TBP can bring success without the disrespect, abuse, and condescension.

edit: alright, i get it, TBP is purely for satirical purposes, not a resource for questioning TRPers

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[–]myfirstredditaccnt90I'm blue. You beta believe it. 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

This sub isn't supposed to be an alternative to TRP, it's supposed to be a satire of it. There are other subs/websites which have plenty of self-improvement and dating advice without all the misogyny and sexist bullshit.

That being said, whenever a twerp does come here to ask for advice, the kind users here do offer them a lot of good advice a lot of the time. But yeah, this sub isn't supposed to be an alternative. We're just here to laugh at terps and their absolutely ridiculous misogynistic attitudes.

[–]BitchTitsBertha -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Though at this point, TBP is hardly parody/satire at all

[–]crimsonknifeHalp me alpha dogs! Aroooooo! 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here is a success story: I respect my boyfriend and he respects me. taaadaaaaaaaa

[–]murloclove 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sounds too complicated, better learn game, go into monk-mode, spend a fortune and read the books for weeks, read through endless FRs, spend hours writing FRs, question every social interaction you come across and act like a complete different person.

[–]Chair_Aznable 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

Being a decent human being is a pretty attractive alternative.

[–]artichokess[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

not when you feel like not being a decent human being is the absolute only way to get what you want, and you have an entire ideology justifying that this behavior is actually what women want as well, so you aren't, in fact, a douche-bag afterall.

don't think it's so easy for people to "just" come out of ideologies.

[–]Chair_Aznable 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not, but the thing is that TRPS already have a pretty messed up view before factoring in the TweRP problems. They place sex on a pedastal.

Frankly with the kind of stuff they spew and the people they go after, they are gonna have to have life teach them that they can't be toxic manchildren forever, cause you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a TweRP who would listen to any of us.

[–]FallingSnowAngel 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Go to /r/redpillwomen. Read the stickies. These are the women the redpill is trying to attract, and they think they're completely full of shit.

You're not going to get good advice about attracting someone in a subreddit filled with people who passionately hate that someone, often for reasons beyond her control. (Like being born a woman.)

[–]artichokess[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

i'm confused

[–]quantumtrollening 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think /u/FallingSnowAngel is saying that even within the world of TRP, the women who follow the TRP cult don't want the men who follow the TRP cult. So there's literally no reason for anyone to feel like the "only" way to get sex or a girlfriend is to follow TRP when even the women who like TRP find the men of TRP repulsive.

[–]artichokess[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

i've been on the sub before...they might not like the slurs, but they certainly still subscribe to the main framework, which is man leading, woman being submissive

[–]quantumtrollening 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was interesting having to think this out in order to respond to you. So, thanks for giving me a reason to do that.

One could make a good case that the central, common-to-all-redpill-subs set of ideas, what you referred to as "the main framework", is something like "This is the set of behaviors by both a man and a woman within a monogamous heterosexual relationship which best maintains attraction". The actual content of that belief is kind of irrelevant here; what matters is that that's what all the subs have in common.

Each of the individual redpill subs have that core belief...and also other core beliefs, unique to each sub. That's why they're separate subs, and why they don't always get along. They agree on the basic framework for how straight monogamous couples can find each other attractive. But then they each add in other things.

  • RPW is: "Core redpill beliefs" + "These are the traits an ideally feminine woman should have"
  • TRP is: "Core redpill beliefs" + "These are the traits an ideally masculine man should have"
  • MRP is: "Core redpill beliefs" + "Marriage is for betas and you'll be happier once you get divorced"
  • etc

/r/theredpill teaches men that in order to be ideally masculine, they need to be assholes. /r/redpillwomen doesn't teach women that the ideal partner is an asshole. And that's why RPW doesn't like TRP, even though they do have some beliefs in common. Because they don't share all their beliefs, and some of the beliefs that TRP considers "core", RPW consider "ugh you're an undateable asshole".

[–]bunnylumpschief denier-of-sex 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ideologies like TRP become self-fulfilling prophecies. If you believe that women are shallow and manipulative bitches who only care about money you are going to attract women who are just that, while women with different values won't want anything to do with you. And that's the inherent problem with TRP-- they set out to attract a particular type of girl and then convince themselves that all women, then, must be like the very small sample that they interact with: "the earth must be flat because it looks flat and I'm able to stand on it!"

[–]Gunlord5002alfalfa4me 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

As often said, TBP is more of a parody sub concentrating on laughing at TRPers. It'd be nice to have some positive alternative stuff every now and then, but that's outside of the sub's scope. There are, however, a few dedicated to that sort of thing. You can try asking folks at /r/menslib and /r/exredpill about their "blue pill" success stories. Those are more serious subs dedicated partially (though in the case of Men's Lib, far from entirely) to RP alternatives.

That said, I'm sure a few people here would be more than willing to share their BP success stories with you. I might later on, though I have to get to sleep at the moment.

[–]artichokess[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

i understand that, but it makes sense to me that this would be the first place someone questioning TRP would come, as it's more popular than /r/exredpill and /r/menslib would be too much of a stretch...but ok, i get it, thanks for the info

[–]Gunlord5002alfalfa4me 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/menslib is actually very good for the sort of stuff you're looking for, and it also has a lot of positive resources for a men of all kinds of different backgrounds. It's a relatively recent sub but it's been growing pretty respectably, I recommend it.