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How do you feel about rape? (self.sociopath)

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Assuming you are a straight male, if you had the opportunity to fuck a chick with a sexy ass that is all tied up and naked without consent, would you do it and enjoy it?

I feel ostracized on this topic in most subreddits.

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[–]NSFWIssue 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've never raped someone so I wouldn't know, but watching rape (porn "rape") gets me hard as fuck. It doesn't turn me on though. I'm big time into domination (none of that tied-up BDSM shit, good, old-fashioned physical domination) which does get me off.

I doubt I would rape someone if given the chance, just based on principle.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Principle or fear of getting caught?

[–]lowempathyNormal 5ポイント6ポイント  (25子コメント)

It doesn't do anything for me, even though I have some sadistic tendencies.

Dominating people physically is easy, and thus boring. I would rather they give themselves willingly.

I also may empathize with the victims. I'm not sure.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

That is the exact reason i would do it. Ease. I havent nor will i. But the thought of it comes easy enough for me.

[–]lowempathyNormal 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have come to understand that some things that can be taken freely are still not worth taking.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I admit, i wouldn't rape a fat chick and then tell my friends about it.

[–]lowempathyNormal 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

and then tell my friends about it.

I laughed when I got to this part of the sentence.

[–]b22c4f2dUndiagnosed 2ポイント3ポイント  (20子コメント)

Dominating people physically is easy, and thus boring.

This. Along with some strong moral objections.

I don't really understand the desire to physically dominate. It doesn't seem as absolutely controlling and powerful as emotional and psychological domination. Doesn't take any skill. I see those that need physical domination to feel superior to others as pathetic. No offensive dude.

Not to mention raping someone makes you a fucking asshole.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

It isn't really the domination part i like. I mean it isn't like i want to rub it in that i am in control etc, i just can't be bothered with all the nicey nicey crap we have to do before hand. Like if the other person is ready to go for whatever reason, attraction, money whatever then sex is fine. It just seems easier when theynare tied up to just go for it, no charming or lying or risk in failure, just easy. Not violent ir harsh. It really isn't about control, just stress relief.

[–]Kingsprite 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Then just masturbate? Or look at the nicey nicey crap as foreplay. It's a like game.

[–]b22c4f2dUndiagnosed 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I feel like if it really were just about stress relief and not power, he wouldn't need to contrive such a elaborate scenario.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

When i said stress relief i meant the nicey nicey crap was stressful, not that ejaculation would give me relief. I find it easier to pin someone down than to give them what they want. I really thought i would find more people who agree here.

[–]b22c4f2dUndiagnosed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really thought i would find more people who agree here.

I know laziness is part of the sociopathy thing. But I've found in my own life of chasing after stimuli that the hard work that goes into the achievement is more satisfying in the long run. I think it's called the happiness paradox or something. It's like yeah, I could beat this video game on cheat mode with infinite lives and ammo. Or I can go through on hard mode. God-mode gets boring. It's my guess that I'm not the only person on this subreddit that sees it this way.

I honestly think that if you had such a scenario, you'd get bored with it. I had a friend who was previously with to a sociopath that did some illegal things sexually. And the sociopath did get bored and was constantly trying to find ways to escalate the experience. This might be your fantasy now, but--ignoring legal and ethical issues--if it ever took place, I don't think it would remain as such.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Masturbating is stress relief but it isn't sex. Like insaid, i wanna get the bitch pregnant and run.

[–]b22c4f2dUndiagnosed 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even still, aren't there easier and less illegal ways of getting no-frills sex? Though I guess you're speaking purely hypothetically, in a world where they wouldn't be able to track you down. I imagine a lot of people, even non-sociopaths, are capable of this type of thing when they feel there are no consequences, seeing that events such as the Rape of Nanking happened.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure hypothetical. The toybox killer for example built a 100,000 dollar room to rape people in. Kidnapping young women and apparantly keeping them for 3 months. No one really knows what he did with them or how long. It might make economic sense if you raped hernseveeal times a day as opposed to getting a hooker. He had a partner too but he liked the variety.

Unfortunately this is probably a bad example because he kind of enjoyed hurting the girls apparantly. But technically a non sociopath should not be able to pull these rapes off because of the crying etc.

[–]Kingsprite 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wadda hell are you doing in this subreddit...

[–]lowempathyNormal -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't really understand the desire to physically dominate.

For some people, it's all they've got. Though, I'd like to point out that it's inherently self-serving for intelligent people to value that intelligence over brawn.

Not to mention raping someone makes you a fucking asshole.

At the risk of sounding cavalier regarding the subject matter, this is a subreddit (presumably) populated by sociopaths.

[–]b22c4f2dUndiagnosed 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

For some people, it's all they've got. Though, I'd like to point out that it's inherently self-serving for intelligent people to value that intelligence over brawn.

True. But what if you're both intelligent and strong and still value the intelligence more? Maybe it has to do with the fact that anyone can start lifting weights or even easier, go out and buy a gun. Not everyone can be smart.

At the risk of sounding cavalier regarding the subject matter, this is a subreddit (presumably) populated by sociopaths.

lol.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I would actually like to think that every born into a rich house hold near harvard could probably get into harvard. I came from a very disadvantageous background and following parental and peer abuse, drug abuse and a violent past i did go on to get into one of the world's top 100 universities. It made it alot easier to score, get laid and talk to girls. But at the same time i can see it didn't change who I was, only what I had the oppotunity of doing.

[–]b22c4f2dUndiagnosed 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm talking about intelligence, not socio-economic status.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would have though mastery of the phsyical world and resourcefulness are probably some of the most important traits a person can have. Spacial reasoning and awareness is a large part of the iq test. How do you measure intelligence?

[–]b22c4f2dUndiagnosed 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

In the words of an old teacher, "Intelligence is what intelligence tests test." ;)

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So iq test it is. But what does intelligence have to do with not raping? Bundy was shown to have quite a reasonable iq. Not as good as mine but i fail to see the connection.

[–]lowempathyNormal -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

True. But what if you're both intelligent and strong and still value the intelligence more?

I am (I'm also terribly narcissistic).

Maybe it has to do with the fact that anyone can start lifting weights or even easier, go out and buy a gun. Not everyone can be smart.

I agree, for the most part. I mean, I'm fairly sure that Stephen Hawking could not start lifting weights or consistently operate a firearm.

My real problem with that point of view is that many smart people don't actually start lifting weights or make themselves physically strong. They can theoretically, but it's not clear that they can change their physical capabilities in some strict sense.

It's like being born wealthy; people (especially rich people) like to talk about how anyone can get wealthy with enough hard work, and that class mobility is a thing, but how many people actually make that happen? And if people can't change something that seems to be as mutable as wealth, maybe they can't change their physical aptitude?

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Love both your points. I genuinely thought asshole was the unofficial diagnosis of sociopath. I am sure empaths have never really considered howmselfish and self serving it isw to value brain over braun.

[–]lowempathyNormal 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm pretty sure most people don't realize they're being self-serving when they value their own strengths over others'.

And this is where I'm unsure if I feel empathy for the rape victims. On the one hand, it could be empathy and disgust. On the other, it's a manifestation of a strength I don't value, and it would not be out of character for me to have disgust for other people's "successes" that use tools that I don't value highest.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just like to stand back and think survival of the fittest. I understand it doesn't fit into society's plan, but who the hell is society to dictate the fate of the world? Then on a smaller scale, when u see a small young woman with a perfect ass, i really want to get her pregnant then leave her.

[–]BlackQueenCleopatraDexter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah probably not. The idea of capturing and hurting someone appeals but I have no interest in just grabbing some rando Ted bundy style. I'd rather they submit to me willingly and let me have my way. If they didn't like what I was doing, that would make it all the better.

[–]lucisferis 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'm not a straight male, but I'm gonna answer anyway and say I'm not too keen on the idea.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Ok, wat are you?

[–]lucisferis 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

A straight female.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Wat if it was a hot, but fridgid male model or was forced to take viagra?

[–]lucisferis 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

That doesn't sound appealing to me at all. I usually prefer the male to be the aggressive one when it comes to sex.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Would you like to be tied up and restrained in the modified denist's chair for a short while?

[–]lucisferis 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

A dentist's chair? No. Tied up and restrained, sure.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol

[–]BlackQueenCleopatraDexter 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

The dentist chair is half the fun. You get those rad sunglasses and a bib, you're mouth is numb, the dentist is usually ugly and nerdy. Who wouldn't be in to that?

[–]lucisferis 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh, I was just thinking I'd be strapped down, I didn't know it included all that. Who doesn't love dentist-patient role play?

[–]BlackQueenCleopatraDexter 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Who the hell is upvoting up in here? This is unheard of.

[–]DgkillerDiagnosed by my girlfriend's aunt's ex-boyfriend's therapist 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

I'm not much of a sadist. I don't think so anyway. I'm not really sure how to describe it but sometimes I find myself sexually aroused by acts of violence but it's not an urge that I need to get off. Either way I wouldn't rape anyone. Not my thing.

[–]BlackQueenCleopatraDexter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought it was just me! When I mess with an animal I find myself turned on in a way I can't describe. Not into the animal but just the power is like...

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

You see, i don't necessarily see rape as violence. If she was restrained properly there would be no violence in it, imo. I might have a poor understanding of violence though.

I am not saying the raping part is what turns me on. How the girl looks would probably do that. Although if she rejected me, seeing her cry would probably feel good.

[–]b22c4f2dUndiagnosed 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

So would you be totally cool if a dude strapped you down then very non-violently had his way with you?

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

No. But not because it was violent, because i dont like gay stuff.

[–]DgkillerDiagnosed by my girlfriend's aunt's ex-boyfriend's therapist 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

So if it was a chick with a strap on you would be cool?

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, probably. I mean, no.

[–]b22c4f2dUndiagnosed 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, I donno dude. As much as I have ever struggled to empathize with people, it just seems really straightforward to work out the logic that it would suck if someone raped me, therefore, I'm not going to do that to someone else.

[–]Kingsprite 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

it would suck if someone raped me, therefore, I'm not going to do that to someone else.

Because...?

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, this makes no sense unless you worship karma like a god or something.

[–]Kingsprite 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, for someone who claims to have trouble empathizing, he seems pretty full of it.

Empathy, I mean.

[–]b22c4f2dUndiagnosed 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I guess you have a point there. And that's where my moral code kicks in.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Morals? Like if you're a christian, do unto others? If you dont want to impress your parents then why impress god?

[–]b22c4f2dUndiagnosed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not about impressing anyone (though I do impress myself, I admit ;) ). It's about a logically arbitrary decision that I was going to be a good person and seek God. Moral behavior follows as a logical consequence.

Everyone makes arbitrary decisions as to how they're going to live their life. I just happened to chose an uphill struggle for my path. I know many people like me don't make that decision.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one ever said not raping would mean u arent raped, or vice versa. They might use that as excuse in jail or something, but the ideamis that you will get away with annonymously in this situation. Besides, if ur in jail for anything and ur a skinny little bitch, theyre gonna rape you.

[–]GregorSamsa112358 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, doing it would depend on the consequences. I mean if some how I were assured I'd suffer no legal or social reprisal sure sounds fun. I think that answers the second part of the question.

I know rape is "morally wrong" and illegal and wouldn't do it IRL. But it isn't out of respect for others physical autonomy/determinations, morality or legality, but just for the simple fact of the consequences. I don't want to go to jail. The effort to reward and risk associated with the action all lead it to be something to avoid doing.

That all said. It's not a huge fetish for me or anything. I like violence and violence against women is not excused from that (equality) and sexualized violence is only fun from time to time. But usually other fetishes win out, likely due to the availability of media that caters to that fetish. Theres no really good violent porn out there. Even when they "rough" the girl up its light slaps no closed fist or really harming things so its obviously staged play, and that's boring.

[–]BigPhattyKaneDiagnosed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What kind of question is this? In what way would raping someone benefit me? It's much more fun to dominate someone mentally than physically.

[–]SirSmokeAlot88 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm a sadist and probably wouldn't do it myself. There's some satisfaction to the hunt that makes it seem required for me.

That being said, there are things much worse than nonconsensual sex. And she's already tied up. I'd make her choose what I wanted her to. No rape needed (;

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, indeed. You'll like it bitch, or you can stay like that, ok?

[–]Kingsprite 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Depends. Will she go to the cops afterwards? What is she doing during the act, crying/ screaming, or the traumatized starfish thing?

I had some fun with a passed out drunk girl once, her just laying there doing (almost) nothing wasn't as great as I thought it would be. Still like to think about it from time to time though.

[–]Helot_spartan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wont go to the cops and doing the starfish thing, or crying if u want, whatever. I kind of imagined it like the drunk girl thing. No resistance, no consent.

[–]Kingsprite 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess I'd do it. I mean, why shouldn't you, if there are no consequences. If you don't like it you can still stop, right. lol. (I think it's kind of weird that almost everyone here says they wouldn't do it, not even try it out first. Like, what?)

I think I'd enjoy it more if she was conscious though. With that acquaintance of mine...It was only better than sex in the sense that there was the thrill of doing something forbidden and hooorrible, and because we were at her parents' place at the time.

Only exception: When she reminds me of my mother or looks too much like a kid (let's say under 16). Then I either wouldn't touch it or it shouldn't cry.

...I'll probably delete this post in a few hours...