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Red Pill ExampleAll Men Are Like That (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 73ポイント74ポイント  (20子コメント)

I'd add to this point by noting that men don't lean beta because they're taught beta, or because of the shit food they eat. Or I guess I should say they don't lean beta just because of that.

Men avoid masculinity because it's easier.

The only way a boy grows up to become a masculine man is if his father and his community fucking forces him to do so. Kick his ass. When bullies pound him in school, teach him boxing, not self-esteem. Make him play football and shoot guns, and if he falls short, call him a faggot and make sure he knows he'll never touch pussy. Boys used to do this to each other. Their fathers and grandfathers used to push them mercilessly. Society (even girls) shunned and laughed at the losers, pushing them to be better. Man culture used to help turn boys into men. Because it had to. If the community didn't force boys to become men, they wouldn't, because remaining non-masculine is just plain easier.

So when modern, feminized society tells boys that it's outdated to be masculine, and that they should just stay the course as feminized losers, because masculine gender roles are evil and oppressive, and they're actually better and different and special if they cast those off and stay feminized -- that's music to a loser-man's ears.

Because now he has society's backing as he takes the easy route.

The Red Pill definitely isn't for everybody. Maybe 10% of the guys around here will make positive changes in their lives. The other 90% will use their internet hobby as yet another diversion, like porn or alcohol, or use it as an outlet for their aggression as they shit on and blame women and complain about how it's all women's/society's fault that they never learned manliness.

[–]Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Life was made for the bold.

It is unfortunate that too many men lack the boldness that is required to truly live. But we can only show them the path ... the rest is up to them.

[–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Life was made for the bold.

And all of the rest of nature shows us this.

[–]JohnWeek 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's an uphill battle when you were raised by a single feminist mother in a leftist environment.

I'm starting from scratch at 32 years of age.

[–]prodigyx 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

don't make excuses

make gains

[–]floppymammarygland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

GAINZ, MOTHERFUCKER!!!! DOST THOU HAVE THEM?!?!?!?

[–]razorwan 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

call him a faggot and make sure he knows he'll never touch pussy

Yeah-- no-- this is just terrible parenting. I get the point you're driving at, but you can rear a boy the right way without being abusive. Crossing the fine line means that you not only become the villain in every scenario, but that you will fuck up your kid in ways you don't understand.

[–]kellykebab 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seriously. It is possible to virtually break a person and produce the opposite result you were going for.

I don't know why it's so hard for some RPers to conceive of an alpha who is tough but fair. It's a delicate balance, but guys who truly lead without abusing do exist.

It's not just wolf vs. sheep. You also have the shepherd.

[–]systemshock869 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most guys have never had a true masculine role model in their actual lives.

[–]kellykebab 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is quite obviously the root of the problem. Look at the male heroes of today: they're all villains.

Culturally, we don't trust men. We assume they're crooks and reward them when they are, because at least that keeps their villainy out in the open.

I see it in guys I work with and am friends with. They're distrustful of authority on the one hand, but tend to be drawn to unpredictable, dominating male leaders on the other.

My own dad was a weird mix of wounded beta, dominating/neglectful alpha, and traditional hard-working, tough alpha. In some ways, I probably got off easy, but I too struggle with how to best reproduce solid male authority in my own life and how to seek out good mentors for advice. The bonds between men in general have frayed, sadly. I don't think OP is helping much in that department.

Realistically, I think we have to blame economic forces at least as much as we blame social justice movements for pulling the rug out from under strong, just, male leaders. Men are becoming obsolete and they're killing themselves to grab one final piece of the pie to avoid facing reality.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I blurred the specific roles of the community and that of parents in that paragraph. Mostly because the specific examples weren't important to the general point.

Obviously, dads shouldn't belittle their sons, but boys on the football field should be regularly calling the pussies out rather than getting expelled for hurting another boy's self esteem. Society as a whole should be making men who aren't men feel like losers. It already does this, actually, but then out the other side of its mouth, society spits out bullshit about how it's okay and super-duper to be true to your shitty loser self.

So we have this system where guys are verbally encouraged to be feminized losers. But all the girls date and fuck real men, all the bosses hire and promote real men, parents are proud of real men, but we all verbally encourage pussy-ass loser men to keep being pussy-ass losers and not to worry about all those "unfair, toxic standards" we keep rewarding.

[–]SoSaltyDoe 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I gotta agree. Say what you will about it, but the days of that style of parenting are just over, man. A lot of that hard-line parenting was effective because it was the norm. When your kid goes to school and realizes that literally no other kid is getting shit on like that, it's not going to do a whole lot in teaching him how to be a man. There are ways to teach a boy about the harshness of the world without beating him over the head with it.

[–]LukaTheSecond -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree. I was raised in an Eastern European household where I was raised/disciplined this way and I am extremely close with my father. It's all about balance and being reasonable.

[–]rpthrowaway4 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of parenting is like loading the squat bar for someone else. Too heavy and you break them too light and they never grow. Most people I interact with have never had to lift anything heavy in their lives...

[–]holytrpbatman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

All members of the human race are inherently lazy- pre wired to find ways to do as little as possible. The imperative being the conservation of energy, as 200,000 years ago food was nowhere near as plentiful. So doing as little as physically possible was an energy conservation mechanism.

In today's dystopian totality, we are all told we are so much more advanced as the species. But that's a myth. The only difference between us from 200k years ago and today is the quantity and quality of our toys. We are still pretty much the same animal we have always been, we just dress nicer for the most part.

Every human will struggle with this genetic laziness, few will overcome it.

[–]HermanRerserces 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Society (even girls) shunned and laughed at the losers, pushing them to be better. Man culture used to help turn boys into men.

China's massive economic boom from ~1980-2000 is said by some to be caused by way too many boys and too few girls. The intense competition fueled growth.

Here in the west (as you all know) the few top dogs have harems. My uni campus has a 8-1 girl/guy ratio and guess what? A ton of dudes I've met complain about not getting any. They feel entitled to HB8 pussy because they're nice guys who 1) never approach, 2) stay inside their shitty apartments playing NHL on Xbox while smoking bowl after bowl, 3) never participate in social events, 4) don't give a damn about their physique or health.

I really feel bad for these dudes. So much potential squandered.

[–]Smitty6 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup. I was going to post this very thing. Too true.

[–]200mgtestc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the "easier" part is under-appreciated in this argument. Discipline, self-control and not going with society's flow, is hard. It really is.

  • I've had countless friends talk to me about how they want to lift weights like me, I give them a prescriptive, easy, program, and nobody shows up.
  • Everybody I meets talks about the business they've always wanted to start, but don't have the time. I did it and you fucking can do. Just do it outside of work. It's much easier to watch Netflix or go out.
  • No one wants to seem like they're not fitting in.