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Video[Video] Autistic high school basketball manager nails 6 three-pointers in the final 4 minutes of his only game, ever. (youtu.be)

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[–]nosoupforyou2116 2ポイント3ポイント  (25子コメント)

I live in Rochester and this kid got the name "J Mac." He actually took on an inflated sense of self importance after this event. He's a jerk.

[–]Rain12913 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

......

Do you not know what autism is? People with autism tend to have severely impaired social skills and to have a hard time understanding the little social etiquette rules that come innately to the rest of us. This kid didn't have an "inflated sense of self-importance" and he isn't a jerk.

[–]davorzdralo 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

You do understand that "jerk" describes behaviour, and that the cause of the behaviour is completely irrelevant? Everyone has a Freudian Excuse.

[–]Rain12913 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

Try to think about this for a second. You're saying that a mentally handicapped person who doesn't understand social norms can be a jerk. Oxford Dictionary defines "jerk" as "a contemptibly obnoxious person." "Contemptibly" is the keyword there, as someone who is rude or obnoxious as a result of a mental deficiency is not a jerk.

[–]davorzdralo 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

I fail to see how your interpretation changes anything. "Someone who is behaving in a manner worthy of contempt". So?

[–]Rain12913 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

"Contemptibly" is defined as "deserving contempt." The word is included in the definition for this very reason that we're talking about here. Not everyone who is obnoxious or rude is a jerk; only those who are also deserving of contempt are. What this means is that in order to be a jerk, someone's obnoxiousness/rudeness has to have been the result of a bad attitude, a lack of concern for others, willful ignorance, or some other contemptible circumstances. If, however, their obnoxiousness/rudeness has been due to something like autism, then they are not deserving of contempt (as people who lack sufficient awareness of social norms and possess a deficient theory of mind, they can't be blamed for their social faux pas).

Other examples of this distinction: animals cannot truly be jerks. You often see cats jokingly being called jerks on Reddit, but we know that cats can't actually be jerks because they lack agency and consciousness in their behavior. They certainly can behave in ways that we interpret as obnoxious and rude, but it would be silly to hold contempt towards an animal that doesn't even possess a theory of mind.

[–]davorzdralo 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sigh. Everyone acts as jerks for the exactly same reason: that's how their brain is wired. If autistic people get off the hook, why not other people? They can't choose to have a different personality any more than autistics.

[–]Rain12913 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've edited my last comment since you replied to it, so you may want to check it out for clarifications.

Now you're beginning to enter the domain of a free will vs. determinism argument. Of course, the argument can be made that nobody is responsible for anything they do because they're also not responsible for the physical reality within their brain (which is itself the engine of their behavior). That's not what I'm suggesting here. What I'm suggesting is that, unlike people whom we would normally consider to be jerks, people with severe autism and similar developmental disorders behave the way they do because of deficiencies in their theory of mind.

If, for example, a person with autism sees somebody crying and pushes them out of the way in order to get to something they want, that isn't because they're hateful and uncaring; it's because they're unable to understand that the other person is a conscious entity who is capable of feeling emotional pain. They're unable to perform the (quite complex) cognitive task of placing themselves in the shoes of another person in order to try and understand what wants and needs that person may have (and what sorts of things might cause them emotional pain). Hell, many people with autism can't even imagine what emotional pain is like, because their own emotional experience is either nonexistent or severely blunted.

Does that make more sense?

[–]davorzdralo -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I understand what you're saying, I just disagree with your conclusions.

[–]Rain12913 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which part of my most recent comment do you disagree with?

[–]GraspinglySilver 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

He was my AAU basketball "assistant coach" a few years ago, he's still a facebook friend. HUGE sense of self importance

[–]MedicinalHammer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has that because he is autistic, he literally doesn't have the hardware to tell him to try to be humble. Every single autistic kid that I have ever coached has had a high level of self importance. They aren't mean or jerks, they just literally can't hold a humble perspective.

[–]MedicinalHammer 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Autistic people already have an inflated sense of self importance, so of course it inflated after this. All of the autistic kids I have coached have all been like that, but they were absolutely not jerks. They weren't mean or anything like that, they just think absurdly highly of themselves sometimes. If you think he's a jerk for being autistic, then you're kinda being a jerk.

[–]nosoupforyou2116 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you go into restaurants and demand free food just because your name is "J-mac" and people should know who you are, you're a jerk. I don't care if you're autistic.

[–]davorzdralo 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, that's not how it works. By that logic, we're jerks if we say sociopaths lack empathy.

[–]MedicinalHammer 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I mean, I wouldn't call a sociopath a jerk either. That person is mentally ill.

[–]davorzdralo -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

OK, that's hilarious. Would you also not call crippled people slow, because they have a physical disability? Like, we should pretend they are sprinters on par with Bolt? Where do you draw the line at denying reality?

[–]MedicinalHammer 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

No need to be a dick, dude. I just try to be conscious of the words I choose and see the whole picture. An autistic kid who has an inflated ego isn't a jerk in my opinion, and quite frankly, I think it's a pretty rude thing to say. Yeah, the ego inflation can result in some cocky behavior, but considering the fact that they don't have the hardware to change that, I'm not going to label this person as a jerk. Just like I wouldn't label a sociopath a jerk. I can see why some people would, but I wouldn't. I dunno man, I feel bad for them that they don't have the ability to have the full human experience. Just because you're kinda right doesn't mean you aren't being an asshole. Might as well call an infant an idiot because it can't talk. I would never do that, but I can see why some people would. That's how I choose to see the world. Feel free to disagree.

[–]Gravee -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

We're not in a thread about something cool that you did and he's not here badmouthing you, so I guess I just don't see it.

[–]benttwig33 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a happy sub of all places!