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[–]PatriotsAwesomeTed 79ポイント80ポイント  (77子コメント)

You forgot we're all racist.

EDIT: Never mind, I didn't read the blurbs at the end. We're good.

[–]Patriotsbuildabeast 30ポイント31ポイント  (76子コメント)

That's the only one the bothered me, it's not 1970 anymore. People should update their jokes about Boston.

[–]NFLtextbooksforrent 127ポイント128ポイント  (34子コメント)

http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/index.html

I dunno man, looks like Boston took all its black people and stuck them in a box by the docks.

[–]PatriotsBrinner 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is some next-level trash talk

[–]Patriotsotm_shank 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks pretty much the same as any major city, to be honest.

[–]PatriotsMichelanvalo 10ポイント11ポイント  (29子コメント)

The gays moved in and the blacks and hispanics moved out. The asians ignored them.

I'm not kidding. As you see Boston's homosexual population rise, the minority population sans-Asian, goes down. This isn't really because of race or sexuality though, it's mostly economic. The economic values of the city rise at the same time.

[–]Texansmattyisphtty 42ポイント43ポイント  (20子コメント)

the gays

the blacks and hispanics

You're like a walking 1960s Alabama ad.

[–]PatriotsMichelanvalo 7ポイント8ポイント  (19子コメント)

ad*

Also what would you call them? "African-American" isn't right, because the Carribean exists and so do many other darker skinned parts of the world. "Hispanics" is pretty all encompassing. Latino, maybe? But not necessarily.

And "the gays." What else would they be? They're gay. They're the gays.

[–]Texansmattyisphtty 9ポイント10ポイント  (15子コメント)

Typically you don't use the term

the XXXX

Where X is the name of a group that has been historically oppressed. You could say something like racial minorities moved out. I understand that you meant no offense by it but typically anytime someone is using the term "the blacks" its going to immediately be followed by some racist shit.

[–]Patriotsflame7926 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it's okay to say things like gay people or black people, but saying the (whatever) generally has a much more racist connotation.

[–]Seahawksprometheanbane 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

"The [insert descriptor here]" makes that group distinct and separate from the rest of the population. Whereas saying "gay people" or "asian people" simply describes a portion of the total population. It's subtle and hard to describe exactly why it sounds bad, but it has to do with how the population is delineated and segregated into static subgroups.

[–]Texansmattyisphtty 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll agree with that.

[–]PatriotsThunderstruck79 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (11子コメント)

Go take your thought policing somewhere else dude, nobody fucking cares.

[–]Texansmattyisphtty 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

You act like I'm the only person that thought the wording was a bit... strange.

[–]PatriotsThunderstruck79 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

I didn't think it was strange at all. He used these things called adjectives to describe the changing demographic situation in his city, but you're so socially conditioned to see racism and homophobia everywhere you look you just had to get on your high horse and correct him.

[–]PatriotsContraPositive 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't make pats fans look worse in this thread of all threads.

[–]PatriotsThunderstruck79 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't said a word about the article, it was funny and every team has had the piss taken out of them. The fact that someone felt the need to thought police someone's comment EVEN THOUGH nothing racist, sexist, or homophobic was said, is ridiculous. Also don't tell me what to do fucktard.

[–]Texansmattyisphtty 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Y'all are alright in my book. You gave us the glory of Wilfork.

[–]RavensCocotapioka 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because removing "people" makes those descriptors come off as alienating and subtly dehumanizing. It's similar to calling a group of women "females".

When it comes to American Black people, African-American works, but go with Black if they aren't American or you aren't sure. But not "Blacks" or "The Blacks", that's the important distinction.

As for Hispanic/Latino, that's a tougher question and varies from person to person. I've generally heard that Hispanic refers to people with cultural/ethnic/etc ties to Spanish-speaking countries, while Latino refers to people with cultural/ethnic/etc ties to Latin American countries. But again, you want to describe them as people.

[–]Patriotsglatts 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait, it's wrong to refer to a group of women as females now?

Plus, I don't think using either Hispanic or Black is wrong to refer to a group of people, especially in terms of a comment where it's not that in-depth in terms of breaking out every different ethnic group. Maybe sticking "the" in front makes it sound a little weird depending on the sentence, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with using either Black or Hispanic as descriptors. Is it wrong to use the term White?

[–]RavensCocotapioka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many women find it reductive in a similar fashion to the other examples (and while this is anecdotal, usually when I hear someone call a group of women "females", it is usually leading up to something contemptuous or demeaning, not a good look).

As for the second point, I think you're misreading what I said (or you meant to respond to someone else?):

When it comes to American Black people, African-American works, but go with Black if they aren't American or you aren't sure. But not "Blacks" or "The Blacks", that's the important distinction.

[–]Dolphinsoffthecane 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Gay people didn't suddenly "move in". They came out. The homosexual population "rose" because people who already lived in Boston actually felt comfortable enough to confirm it in public polls. It isn't like Boston was 95% straight and then 5 million homosexuals moved in and it made other people move away. Every population has gay people in it. But I know nothing about Boston history, is this a thing? Some sort of mass immigration of gay people to Boston? I don't know how to Google that.

[–]Patriotsanubus72 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

MA was the first state to allow gay marriage, so the gays actually did move in

[–]Patriotsglatts 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course as the population in general has become more tolerant, we've seen more people being open about it, but Boston and New England has long been an area where homosexuality is more tolerated. Have you ever heard of the term Boston Marriage?

Shit, just thinking back nearly 15 years ago to high school, and I can recall the acceptance we had in my school (which was a private Catholic school) for openly gay students or other students of color was pretty incredible - or some of the openly gay house mother's at my girlfriend's boarding school who had live-in partners. And then you have places like Provincetown, which is the gayest city in North america. Or the fact that Massachusetts and Vermont are the two most liberal states in the US. We've even had towns that have had far more gay marriages than straight marriages performed since 2003 when Massachusetts legalized same-sex marriage. And like /u/anubus72 mentioned, we were the first state to legalize gay marriage, and I think coupled with our general liberal leanings and numerous gay villages, we likely have seen an influx of homosexuals moving in.

[–]Patriotssotpmoke 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Boston is irish.

[–]PatriotsMichelanvalo 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Better not let the North End hear that

[–]Patriotssotpmoke -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Southie is boston.

[–]Patriotsohaiitzwill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fun fact: the Boston neighborhood, Mattapan, has the nickname "Murderpan".

It's a nice place.

[–]PatriotsDharmasabitch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-diverse-cities-are-often-the-most-segregated/

[–]Buccaneers19O1 34ポイント35ポイント  (13子コメント)

what's weird is that it's not 1970 anymore, but this is still a totally relevant joke about Boston.

[–]Patriotsbuildabeast 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

I've lived here all my life, and traveled quite a bit and never found Boston to be any more racist than any other northern city, and far less racist than certain cities in the south (like the shit hole that is Birmingham, Alabama).

[–]Buccaneers19O1 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm a Floridian/Californian that went to Boston for the first time for work for a few days last fall, and I was surprised at how often I heard locals hurling racist/homophobic shit around.

and yes, even Boston is better than Alabama. if you wanted to take a tour of racist America, it would probably start in Birmingham.

[–]PatriotsPantsB 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've literally heard someone use the n word in Massachusetts four times in my life and twice it resulted in a screaming argument and I've lived here almost all of my 33 years.

I've heard it as many times in a single trip to Texas, and a trip to Virginia and more times on several trips to Indiana.

Our two term black governor just retired despite an 8% black population and Massachusetts is the only state to have a black Governor and black Senator despite a largely white population. Mass has among the best educational outcomes for African Americans (absolutely & vs the national average), has among the lowest African American incarceration rates (and ratios to whites), has among the longest expected life expectancy for African Americans (especially if you discount states with extremely small African American populations) and we're by most measures either the most or among the most liberal and educated states.

But it gets pulled out because people know it bothers us as evidenced by the 10 minutes I spent gathering links.

[–]Patriotsbuildabeast 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The homophobia I would agree with, but as a local its really rare for me to hear or see overt racism. That view of Boston is at least 20 years out of date if not more, before all the poor people were forced into the suburbs. Now if you talk about racism in Massachusetts you talk about Worcester, Lawrence, and the south shore.

[–]Patriotskey_lime_pie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hear it all the time around here. I live in a town with almost no minorities, but I still hear it here. And I hear it when I go into the city. You just have to talk to the "right" people, I guess.

[–]Patriotscodex1962 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, for a northern city in a liberal state that's like the world capital of higher education, it's pretty racist.

But mostly it's because of those fucking Micks.

[–]PackersResinHit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For real though - there are plenty of other bombs you can drop

[–]BearsStephBrownismywaifu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just a few years ago Bruins fans were tweeting racial slurs at PK Subban.

[–]Seahawkscomebackjoeyjojo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you think #IHATEOLDBOSTONSTEREOTYPES will fit on the back of a Pats jersey?

[–]Packerstenillusions -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's still reeeeeeaallly racist. Source:living in Boston

[–]BearsTheGreatRavenOfOden -5ポイント-4ポイント  (13子コメント)

I didn't know Boston fans tweeting racist garbage at P.K. Subban was in 1970.

[–]Patriotsbuildabeast 6ポイント7ポイント  (12子コメント)

I never said there was no racism, but the same could be said of any city in the entire country. I'm sure 2 seconds of googling could find a dozen racial incidents in any city in America.

[–]Ravens410LaxMD -5ポイント-4ポイント  (11子コメント)

Except there's far more instances in Boston sports in recent times than other sports fan bases? I know it pains you to admit it, but Boston and Boston sports fans are notoriously racist and that hasn't changed in this '20 years' bullshit you keep trying to spin.

[–]PatriotsDCMurphy 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Boston sports broke the color barrier in the NBA and the NHL.

Do we really need to convince someone who I can only assume is from Maryland that there's a chance there might be racism in Baltimore? Maybe just a little bit? Maybe there was something that happened that sparked a little bit of racial tension? I just wish I could think of a recent example...

[–]Ravens410LaxMD -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Boston sports broke the color barrier in the NBA and the NHL.

Boston sports team or Boston sports fans? Because there's a major difference between the two. If you want to credit the fans for that, I'll point you in the direction of multiple instances of Boston fans portraying the exact opposite mindset. Every fan base has racists and idiots, but Boston fans seem to overwhelm the rest of the nation in that category.

Do we really need to convince someone who I can only assume is from Maryland that there's a chance there might be racism in Baltimore?

Oh, I'm from the city, so you can feel free to assume whatever you want about the city. But what I know about Baltimore goes beyond your assumptions. We know the mayor is black, the head of police is black, most of the officers involved (specifically the ones that will be accountable) involved with Freddy Grey are black. I know there have been white people in support of these protests, showing up and rallying around their black neighbors in support. I know whites in Baltimore that want the corruption to stop, starting with the head of police. This city within itself has done pretty well when it comes to racial tensions amongst each other. But when it comes to police, that's an entirely different story. So when you want to talk about race issues in this city, make sure you know what you're talking about first.

[–]PatriotsDCMurphy 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

What my assumptions are goes beyond what you think I think about Baltimore. Because believe it or not, I've been to the Charm City a lot: my aunt lives in PGC, I went down there damn near every year up until like 2012, and I almost went to Loyola.

I know that race is a lot more even down in Maryland: a lot closer to a 50/50 population split between the white and black communities than anywhere in New England. I've also witnessed bigoted motherfuckers firsthand: when we were staying at the Hyatt in the harbor there was a janitor who talked about throwing all of "you people" (referring to some people who were there for some kind of Metalfest, but talking to me) out of the hotel. I've seen panhandlers by the Silver Spring Metro station skip over the group of black people and beg the white people who walk by for money. Similarly, I think if you were to go to Boston (or any city in New England) you'd encounter a little bit of racism, but as shitty as Boston is (and trust me, I think Boston sucks) it isn't where racism was invented. That was probably somewhere in Connecticut. And fuck Connecticut.

I'm not some born-and-bred Marylander who eats Old Bay by the spoonful, but I know how things go down there: it's different than the Northeast. People are generally nicer, as a positive (because I'm not trying to slam your region), and the road is a lot more relaxed.

All I'm saying is if you're going to go slamming another city as a bed for racists, but your own has had an extremely high profile case within the last six months where race was a crucial factor, it's not the best look.

[–]Ravens410LaxMD -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

ecause believe it or not, I've been to the Charm City a lot: my aunt lives in PGC, I went down there damn near every year up until like 2012, and I almost went to Loyola.

This most definitely does not qualify you as knowing enough about a city and it's racial culture.

I've also witnessed bigoted motherfuckers firsthand: when we were staying at the Hyatt in the harbor there was a janitor who talked about throwing all of "you people" (referring to some people who were there for some kind of Metalfest, but talking to me) out of the hotel. I've seen panhandlers by the Silver Spring Metro station skip over the group of black people and beg the white people who walk by for money.

Anecdotal. Extrapolating one instance on an entire city is foolish, but I'll keep on pounding through this bad boy.

own has had an extremely high profile case within the last six months where race was a crucial factor, it's not the best look.

Race was a crucial factor, or is that what the media told you? Black police officers, black head of police, black mayor making the calls during the entire thing... Black victim. If you're going to try using a case like that as an example, use an example that makes sense. There are white people protesting for fixing this police. There are plenty of white people paying MAJOR taxes to try and fix the predominately black neighbourhoods that are no longer in use. We're a historically democratic state with big love for the less fortunate, who just so happen to be black. Where are you from? I'd like to poke at some anecdotal evidence and misguided media reports at your city, lol.

[–]PatriotsDCMurphy 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The ironic part is, that I'm not qualified to judge Baltimore on my own experiences being there, but you're qualified to judge Boston-area fans based on...? What? What the media told you? Have you even been to New England? There are some racists here but by and large that's a stereotype that isn't really that true.

I live in Providence, RI. Have at it.

[–]PatriotsaThracian 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Except there's far more instances in Boston sports in recent times than other sports fan bases?

Got a source for that claim?

[–]Ravens410LaxMD -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

So it seems. Here's a few examples just based off my recent memory.

http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/obnoxiousbostonfan/2014/05/exclusive_the_real_numbers_beh.html

http://deadspin.com/5905356/heres-how-racists-on-twitter-reacted-to-joel-wards-series-winning-goal-against-boston?hipra_discussion_redesign=off&utm_expid=66866090-52.r5txldOmRkqnbJxnyozIeA.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

obviously this: http://wtnh.com/2014/11/14/patriots-apologize-after-thanking-racist-tweeter/

not racist but still bleach-chuggin worthy: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1496457-torrey-smith-victim-of-cruel-jokes-over-brothers-death-after-afc-championship

Bye Trayvon! Back to the ghetto!: http://www.ryot.org/boston-fans-can-pretty-darn-racist/420033

That moment when Cam Neely had to disown fans just to separate themselves from racists... not something you see happen too often, right? : http://www.si.com/nhl/home-ice/2014/05/02/cam-neely-racist-fans-dont-represent-boston-bruins

This is just shit that I can remember off the top of my head. All within the past 5 years, iirc. If you want, we can do some more research later tonight and hash out how racist Boston is. But in all honesty, it doesn't interest me as much as you think. Everyone has racists in sports fandom, that's America/the world. But Boston seems to have a plethora of racists in every sport.

[–]PatriotsaThracian 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you want, we can do some more research later tonight and hash out how racist Boston is.

I would love if, later tonight, you support your original claim and compare it to all of the other major sports cities. I'm off of work in 20 minutes so I'll be here all night!

[–]Ravens410LaxMD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Make sure when you study you're looking at frequency and volume of the racism compared to the overly frequent and obnoxiously voluminous racist remarks coming from the NE area. Such as pointed out in a few of the links I provided above.

[–]PatriotsMistachef -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget about the racist name calling aimed at PK Subban during/after Bruins games.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/12/06/bruins-fans-need-to-stop-bruins-from-subban-racism/

[–]Seahawksmewfahsah -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

That would require Boston to update as well.

[–]Patriotsbuildabeast 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Boston isn't a racist city, any more than NY is or Philadelphia or Baltimore are.

[–]DolphinsMG87 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

, it's not 1970 anymore.

Someone should tell that to your city full of racist fuckwits