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[–]speaksthetruthalways 98ポイント99ポイント  (66子コメント)

so does this mean folks can stop selling food to fat people

We should institute a fat people tax

Obesity costs America between $147 and $210 billion a year in just medical costs alone.

[–]D-DC 50ポイント51ポイント  (19子コメント)

dammmmm 4chan

[–]speaksthetruthalways 100ポイント101ポイント  (16子コメント)

"go to Reddit if you want that fat acceptance bullshit"

4chan is prophetic

[–]boyyouguysaredumb 20ポイント21ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yeah because reddit likes the fat acceptance movement so much...

[–]Sloppy1sts 40ポイント41ポイント  (10子コメント)

Enough to ban a subreddit over it.

[–]xFoeHammer 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

You don't have to be for, "fat acceptance," to think that, "fat hate," is stupid and fucked up.

Not saying it should've been banned but if you were a regular user at FPH you're probably a shit human being.

[–]oceans88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

From a business point of view, banning FPH made sense. If all fat people stop using Reddit, there would be like 8 people left here.

[–]SpicChicken987 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate to tell you but reddit is pretty much nothing but fph members and atheists. If you can make fun of Christians and fat people you would probably get unlimited karma.

[–]epsilion11 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're so full of shit. We had a lady at CNN or whatever write and article about how the no bullshit approach helped her lose weight when all diets failed. It wasn't about hating fat people, it was about hating their lifestyle. There were always posts about why their diets and exercise were bullshit and that's why they didn't lose weight. We don't hate people, we hate the obesity crisis in this world.

[–]tubbo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

please. we all know that fatpeoplehate was deleted because it violated people's personal privacy rights. any subreddit that has been deleted has also followed the same pattern. you want your subreddit to prosper? don't take pictures of people without their permission.

seriously...the biggest two deletions so far, /r/fatpeoplehate and /r/jailbait, have one thing in common: they were both meant as exploitations of people who had no idea they were being photographed. that seems...wrong to me, and definitely not what most people want reddit to become. i'm all for free speech and your personal right to expression, but only as long as said rights do not infringe on others' rights to their own privacy.

[–]wwoodi 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or maybe that subreddit went after reddits largest partner and harassed users. I don't care if you hate that people. But fatpeoplehate was one of the dumbest places ever. Yet people pretend they were so innocent.

The fact the mods and users setup some private shit where you had to post a picture of your stomach with your reddit user name to prove you were not fat really fucking says it all.

[–]jdwilson 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

he fact the mods and users setup some private shit where you had to post a picture of your stomach with your reddit user name to prove you were not fat really fucking says it all.

Are you serious?

[–]Garviel_Loken95 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That was the admins decision, not the communities, and it was bringing a lot of negative attention to the site which probably effects advertising/sponsorship deals

[–]Wufei74 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm 100% not trying to be a dick, but it's affect and not effect in this situation! Just trying to be helpful! :D

link in case you're curious: http://grammarist.com/usage/affect-effect/

[–]Garviel_Loken95 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I always seem to get it mixed up

[–]ranfea 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well they did ban fatpeoplehate for no good reason.

[–]prtyflkjdie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

the people? no. the pc admins that gargle special interest semen? absolutely.

[–]Shitty_Human_Being 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Proper laying down the law that is.

[–]D-DC 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

for sure. But daaaaaaaaam strong post. I feel beta from just his words

[–]Ballistica 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know about America, but here in NZ the biggest medical expense is in Elderly Care (and in England where this study was done), and even though we have socialised healthcare, obese patients and smokers actually cost the state less money than the average person due to them dying earlier, as well as the huge amount more taxes they pay (15% GST sales tax + more for smokers).

Source: http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050029

[–]prtyflkjdie -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

due to them dying earlier

not the case here mate. as much as people rag on american healthcare its easily the best at TREATING medical conditions and we tend to have the most advanced, efficient, and EXPENSIVE toys when it comes to treating disease. i went to a hospital in santiago de compostela and the archaic treatment options compared to the most underfunded american hospitals is ridiculous. I'll probably get downvoted to oblivion for saying something negative about socialized medicine, but the price caps involved typically leave you at a disadvantage, albeit slight in the grand scheme of things, in terms of medically technology

[–]Olaf_the_Notsosure 17ポイント18ポイント  (16子コメント)

Sure, as long as you do the same tax for mountain climbing equipment, skis and snowboards.

[–]Pug_grama 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

And bikinis (skin cancer).

[–]drunken_physician 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Balance all of the negative externalities!

[–]TheGreatSpagett -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Climber/skier here, if my equipment is 20% more expensive but I get free healthcare for when I eventually fuck up, I'm in. Let's tax the fatties.

[–]0833Josh 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why? How is any of that a negative that costs taxpayers billions of dollars a year?

[–]Local_Ragar 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he meant things that cause people to hurts themselves, like a lot of people go skiing or snowboarding without taking classes and hurt themselves

[–]squamesh 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's all risky behavior

[–]greenstriper 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't know why you got downvoted for following the logic through to it's natural conclusion. We'd be taxing any behavior that made a person more likely to need medical assistance. Skateboarding tax, motorcycle riding tax, sunbathing tax, old person tax, clumsy tax, alchoholic tax... Overeating isn't the only behavior that raises our insurance rates.

[–]spiritualboozehound 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What he's saying is: regardless of what you call it, it does not cost taxpayers billions of dollars a year.

[–]Reddit-Incarnate -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So proportionally tax it. Mountain climbers will get taxed $1 and fat people get taxed $1000 a year

[–]Sloppy1sts 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

But those are things healthy people do and most of them aren't dead by age 65. Most of them are going to cost far less than a fat person in the long run. Most people are going to be healthier because of those activities.

[–]FaFaRog 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Obese people generally cost less because they die sooner.

Although effective obesity prevention leads to a decrease in costs of obesity-related diseases, this decrease is offset by cost increases due to diseases unrelated to obesity in life-years gained. Obesity prevention may be an important and cost-effective way of improving public health, but it is not a cure for increasing health expenditures.

http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050029

[–]Sloppy1sts -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, but that's not why he mentioned sporting equipment.

[–]DersTheChamp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or have it just be like the already existing sin tax on alcohol and tobacco. If you're going to feed yourself shit that makes you fat you might as well pay for the costs

[–]prtyflkjdie -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

find a correlation between those accidents and a cost to taxpayers and I'll gladly accept! but when you're receiving medicare or medicaid or welfare AT LEAST dont be such a spoiled fat shit where you continue eating badly and further add to america's debt...

[–]spiritualboozehound -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That doesn't even register, I tried like a million searches and couldn't even find how many tax dollars we're spending on mountain activities-related healthcare. Meanwhile it's easy to find a clear 150-200 billion for obesity.

Are you pulling a "it's the healthy people with their health-people activities that are really the problem!"??

[–]lemmins 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

But how many billions do they spend on all the extra food?

[–]0833Josh 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

Thats not how it works. Most the money spent on food goes to the company that produced it wereas a hospital and its employees get paid through the government. And where does a lot that money come from? Taxes paid by you and I.

[–]Ballistica 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Im just copying this post from above:

I don't know about America, but here in NZ the biggest medical expense is in Elderly Care (and in England where this study was done), and even though we have socialised healthcare, obese patients and smokers actually cost the state less money than the average person due to them dying earlier, as well as the huge amount more taxes they pay (15% GST sales tax + more for smokers). Source: http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050029

[–]0833Josh 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fair enough but look at the information posted above, 210 billion dollars a year isnt and insignificant amount especially since it's so needless. We cant get the elderly to stop being elderly but we sure as hell could help the obese overcome their obesity. Same applies for smokers

[–]Namell 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course we can stop elderly being elderly. Start them early in life with smoking and bad diet and they will never become elderly. Huge savings as /r/Ballistica mentioned.

Money isn't everything. Let people choose how they live and die. Of course people need to be informed about health effects of smoking and bad diet but let them choose themselves what they do.

[–]brianohioan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But those employees pay taxes, and create an economy of their own, which adds value. This is why socialist countries compare debt to GDP, an intrinsic value of capitalism.

[–]Sloppy1sts 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the US, the hospital and employees get paid mostly by private insurance.

[–]DexterBotwin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know boss. I'm no statistician or anything, but I pay a 9% sales tax, that includes prepared food. I'm paying ~$.59 to $1.08 when I buy $6.50 to $12 meals. I buy meals for lunch five days a week, maybe once or twice on weekends. To be conservative let's say I pay 4.50 on meals a week to the state/county. I'm a relatively healthy weight and relatively healthy. GoodYear is easily eating and paying twice as much, that's over 500 a year in prepared food tax they pay a year, not counting their first 18 years let's say they make it to 55 before they get their heart attack and clog up an emergency room AND bale one the bill. That's 18k they paid in food prep taxes vs my 8.5k. That doesn't include the sales tax on random snacks they bought, the $.60 a gallon to drive their ass to the fast food/restaraunt/diabetus heaven(they ain't walking), the sales tax on pillsburruy dough boy clothes, etc. It probably doesn't equal out, but they're paying more in taxes than I am. But what is the cost of their vice vs a crack head, alcoholic, smoker, motorcyclist that doesn't wear gear, etc.

Edit: this impeccable math doesn't include the taxes collected on acquiring the raw materials; gas tax to truck the food, property tax on farms, employement tax on the associated employees needed to provide the increased production, the taxes on all the raw materials to make/process/ship the extra food, the tariffs on imported food/utensils/napkins/cups.

[–]Snote85 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Restaurant food is taxed almost everywhere and some states have a sales tax on groceries. So, it's fair to say that the cost of fat people is probably, at least partially, covered by the meals they eat.

The amount of food it takes to get to that weight is outlandishly excessive. It costs a lot of money to get to and then sustain that size and eating habits. So, I'm not saying that they are living a positive life style only that using the financial cost of their health issues isn't necessarily fair. Because if people stopped eating that much the tax revenue from the food they buy might be reduced as well.

[–]0833Josh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's still needlessly costing people. The tax on food cant possibly make up a significant portion of the amount they're buying. Just because 7-12% of their food costs comes in the form of taxes dosent mean theyre covering their future/current medical costs. Obesity is something that can be overcome with help unlike many other medical problems that people face and should be seen as something that needs to be stopped.

[–]portlandtrees333 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

What country do you live in?

[–]Gothams_Finest 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://m.imgur.com/gallery/7lZwLKc

[–]bored_reddit_user 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does someone have a screenshot of the post they were replying to?

[–]spiritualboozehound 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We really need to stop subsidizing shitty food, people don't make good choices overall. You sit down and talk with a billion people and lay it out for them objectively, most of them are just going to revert back to their bad ways even if they pledge to do so. People need to start seeing obese people as alcoholics. That's the only way we'll even begin to change. Obese people have some of the same excuses as alcoholics ("I'm just stressed out, it's the one thing that gives me happiness, I'm not hurting anyone but myself, I'm not as bad as other people" - these are literally lifted from a drug/alcohol abusers list that had nothing to do with food) - except we pity them just enough that they don't want to seek help.

Most people are too suggestible or poor to not be bombarded with cheap sugary/fattening items and not go for it.It sucks that you have to do it but it's when you finally start seeing humans as non-individuals and more like number generators that follow a trend that you truly see where the solution lies. This segment of humans are obese because x happened, not because they all consciously decided to get fat. That's how humanity will always work besides the outliers. And outliers that overcome their environment barely make a dent in thing.

Just as you can market and manipulate them to being unhealthy you also have to do the same in the opposite direction. No words of encouragement, logic or reason will work. It has to be at a population level.

[–]Mediocretes1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also a stupid tax. I don't know how much money stupid costs America each year but it must be in the trillions.

[–]mruriah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, Adam Jensen is on 4chan?

[–]That_guy1143 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seeing as our medical systems is horrifyingly over priced I don't think that's very fair.

[–]spiritualboozehound 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless this is one thing that is contributing to our medical systems being overpriced in the first place.

[–]Pug_grama 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

How about an alcoholic tax for drunks, skin cancer tax for sun bathers, and a athlete tax for people that blow their knees running? We could also have a skier tax for people that break their legs skiing.

[–]spiritualboozehound 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The burden for either of those is not systemic enough to even be a concern. I also notice you conveniently left out tobacco tax...

[–]Pug_grama 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Forgot to add in tobacco tax....

[–]_buffster_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck I already hated FA and I didn't even know this. Damn

[–]lethrowaway___ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

that was beautiful.

[–]portlandtrees333 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Costs America, or costs the government?

[–]Sterling_Irish -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah but American healthcare isn't paid for by taxes.

[–]spiritualboozehound 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Medicare, Medicaid, state programs, etc.