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[–]Maddjonesy 38ポイント39ポイント  (17子コメント)

I kind of feel that once he left for Syria, he ceased to be a 'Briton'.

EDIT: I mean joining IS should be tantamount to rescinding your citizenship. I cannot fathom how anyone would argue against that. If you want to kill people in the name of some religious cause, then you do not meet the requirements of being an acceptable citizen to Britain and do not deserve the benefits that come with that.

[–]boom346 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

British citizens who join IS are essentially swearing allegiance to enemies of the crown which is the worst offence a British citizen can commit. It was punishable by the death penalty until 1998 and since we can't legally obtain him, why not revoke his citizenship and bomb him, after all he is an enemy combatant?

[–]Reeeeeen 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

My thoughts exactly. I pretty much came to these comments to say just this, though I suspect you managed it in better words than I would.

[–]Syndic -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I mean joining IS should be tantamount to rescinding your citizenship. I cannot fathom how anyone would argue against that.

It's a pretty basic principle that you can't make people stateless. And since ISIS isn't acknowledged country you can't make them ISISian without recognizing ISIS which no country on this planet wants.

And it's simply not necessary. You have a way to deal with countrymen who commit crimes. It's called justice system.

[–]alexgmcm [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

ISIS don't care for international law. We can't exactly write them an extradition request or expect Syria to go and sort it out.

We have a way to deal with terrorists. It's called the Predator drone.

[–]Syndic [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Criminals don't care about law, so let's forfeit law? Seriously?

[–]alexgmcm [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

We can arrest a criminal - we can't arrest someone who joins an illegal terrorist organisation and then proceeds to torture and mutilate innocent civilians abroad before threatening to return to the UK and do the same to our citizens.

Ask the families of the 7/7 victims if they'd rather have had the terrorists killed in a drone strike when they were training in Waziristan than lose their innocent loved ones.

Those are the people that matter - not ISIS scum.

[–]Syndic [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hmm, what option do you have against a foreign military? Oh yes, the Army.

I've never said you can't kill him if he engages your forces, just that taking away citizenship is absolutely unnecessary since you have ways to deal with him in Syria as well as in Britain.

[–]alexgmcm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So wait - you are fine with targeted killing of militants you just want to make sure we don't rescind their citizenship beforehand? That's a bit of an odd concern given we are aiming to kill them.

[–]KingJewffrey 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Briton", he declared Jihad on the west while sipping a cup of tea with milk and complaining about the weather.

[–]Nicenightforawalk01 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

These people made the choice to go and fight and kill in Syria. They probably have taken wives and raped and murdered many in that time. They gave up their right to be a British citizen and be an enemy of it. What are we going to do welcome them back with open arms or go look for them and arrest them? Some jokers here with their high morals.

[–]BenV94 28ポイント29ポイント  (59子コメント)

He was plotting to attack the UK and commemoration.

The choice was clear; let him live and let people die in the UK or kill him. There is no government on the ground, there is no way to arrest him.

The only thing in question is whether there is evidence that he is a terrorist and actively plotting; presumably the government doesn't share such intelligence

[–]LEGS__AKIMBO 8ポイント9ポイント  (24子コメント)

The Government doesn't and shouldn't. These things are confidential for a very good reason: national security.

[–]henry_waco -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with massive defense contractors wanting their industry to stay booming.

[–]Political_Diatribe -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Extra judicial killing is illegal. We are not at war in Syria. Parliament forbade going to war in Syria and if he was attempting to attack the UK then he could be arrested when he got here, put on trial and sent to prison. That's how it works!

If we don't condemn this, then we are no better than the Americans.

[–]BenV94 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well according him him; he was attempting to attack or organize attacks in the UK and there was no way to arrest him so by UN convention on self defense it was legal.

[–]mandalar -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sounds false on so many levels that I ask for a proof or source.

[–]wantsbeforeneeds [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Say that when these guys slip back into your country and start committing terrorist. Any Westerner who travels to Syria and joins IS is fair game. I would say even should be specifically targeted and eliminated for they can not return and wage jihad in the West

[–]alexgmcm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree. I mean fuck, I knew Reddit had a load of contrarian smart-arse types but people here are seriously defending an ISIS fighter?

[–]Political_Diatribe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We lived with terrorism for over 70 years and they could just hop on a ferry and bomb us. An idiot 5000 miles away with an AK47 is kind of lame. If/when someone starts their terrorist nonsense on British soil, then we'll deal with it as we have always dealt with it.

In the meant time we can make everyone safer by not bombing the shit out of the Middle East.

[–]mitre991 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They bombed a terrorist group and killed 2 British guys who were a part of that group..

[–]anautisticpotato -3ポイント-2ポイント  (13子コメント)

He was plotting to attack the UK and commemoration.

Really? Tested proof?

[–]BenV94 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

According to the prime minister and evidence seen by intelligence agencies and the attorney general.

[–]anautisticpotato 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Well given the National Security council didn't fully meet, and parliament wasn't consulted, please do enlighten us as to what exactly was the evidence for remotely targetting British citizens. And is there some special reason I should believe the member for Witney, despite his repeated lies on many other subjects?

[–]Grytpype-Thynne 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

So, a bloke of Asian descent that shows up in Syria, posts videos sympathetic to the cause of a terrorist organisation is the one for whom we should be worrying that his British legal rights have been contravened? I don't think we can export and kill these fuckers fast enough.

[–]anautisticpotato 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

"Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake."

a bloke of Asian descent

I see your problem.

[–]Grytpype-Thynne 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

How clear of a signal that, "I am your enemy and I want to kill you," do you need from people like this guy? He stated his intentions of video and would not hesitiate to do harm to you and yours.

[–]alexgmcm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah - I don't care about the intricacies of international law.

I emigrated to the Continent but I have a lot of family in London and would much rather we kill possible terrorists than have another 7/7.

Life isn't some legal debate - real lives are at stake.

[–]anautisticpotato -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

The penalty for that is not death.

[–]muircertach 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

It would seem it is. See if you want to go play war in Syria don't be surprised when you die.

[–]Soulsiren 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is Britain at war in Syria? I thought the parliament explicitly voted against that?

[–]anautisticpotato -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well if you are happy with the government deciding who lives and dies you're more of a threat than these idiots.

[–]henry_waco -3ポイント-2ポイント  (11子コメント)

If he is a citizen, he gets a trial. End of story.

Quit your propaganda bullshit.

[–]BenV94 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

So we have a citizen who is in IS territory who is a threat to our people.

How do you propose to give him a trial? Who arrests him?

[–]Political_Diatribe [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

If he comes to the UK, we arrest him. If he doesn't, then we put out a warrant via Interpol to arrest him when he steps into a country that has extradition agreements.

You know. That damned law stuff that makes sure you and I can walk around without the government shooting us because we looked at them funny.

[–]BenV94 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Except he was an immediate threat to the UK now.

If you let him operate in this moment, he will put people at risk. How do you arrest him right now? You can't, so the option is to let him put lives at risk or to kill him in self defense in the name of the realm.

[–]Political_Diatribe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

in the name of the realm.

lol. Now I know you're American which explains your viewpoint.

[–]BenV94 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Check where I post if you wanna feel better really.

[–]PSCLAI 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sound like an American.

[–]henry_waco -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

If I had a budget of $62 billion, I'd find a way that didn't involve completely disregarding/violating one of the most basic rights in a free society. The protection of that right is more important than the protection of a few lives.

[–]mitre991 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Erm, at what point is he considered an enemy combatant when he's a part of a terrorist group that has declared war on Britain?

[–]henry_waco [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If he's a citizen, it's the point at which he's convicted of the offense.

Keep saying "war" and "terrorist" like they actually mean something. In real life (not on TV), Lord Janner is a bigger threat to Britons than ISIS.

[–]mitre991 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sorry but while you may be right about ISIS as a single organization, you're dead wrong about radicalized muslims being less of a threat to Britons, heck look at the disruption ISIS has caused to Europe by sending waves of refugees, who knows how many extremists are hidden among them.

He's fighting an illegal war, butchering civilians, they bombed a known terrorist base and 2 traitors got caught up in it, the fact that people are disgusted by this really annoys me.

Be annoyed that the airstrike shouldn't have happened without parliment approval, but not because 2 disgusting individuals who joined a terrorist organization died.

[–]Political_Diatribe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Quite!

When did Britain become such a bunch of woosies - scared of some nutter a few thousand miles away?

We used to have them a couple of hundred miles away and we still let them tarmac our driveways :)

[–]BraveSirRobin -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

whether there is evidence that he is a terrorist and actively plotting

The government lies consistently about such things, it would generally be safe to assume they are not being truthful.

[–]sazupt 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those are some funny british names.

[–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

blow them to smithereens and posts the drone's vids to liveleak. Something to laugh at after dinner with family and friends.

[–]isonem 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

I really don't see the problem here. If an American was killed in an airstrike in Syria and they weren't military or an aid worker, fuck them straight in to hell..

[–]FatherSplifMas 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem is that paralament hasn't voted to allow military action in Syria yet. They voted against it in 2013 ( I think), admittedly the situation has changed alot, but the action is still undemocratic.

[–]Psyk60 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, it is somewhat undemocratic, but the decision to undertake military action is rarely put to a vote. In the UK it's a royal prerogative, which in practical terms means the PM can make decisions like that without consulting Parliament.

It's rare that parliament votes on it. The PM chose to do it that way, but I don't think the result prevents him from going ahead and doing it anyway.

[–]FatherSplifMas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I see what you mean, but what I was trying to say, and failed, is that there was supposed to be a vote on military action called by the PM happenging soon. However the PM decided to go ahead and invalidate his own idea.

[–]arealbigboss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were piece of shit traitors and they deserved to die. Hope they had painful deaths those fucking pieces of trash. I doubt their 8 year old wives are going to miss them.

[–]mitre991 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A briton that was a part of ISIS mind you.

Why give these scumbags the attention.

[–]uk--ok 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. sympathy. at. all.

[–]diglaw [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I live in Cardiff. Perhaps Reyaad Khan's martyrdom will inspire more Jihadis to leave this city and get themselves killed. If enough of them go, Cowbridge road will not look like its in Riyadh or Dhaka anymore.

[–]Akasazh -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't know the Rote Armee Fraktion was still active. /s