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Streamers lets be Honest...Discussion | eSports (self.DotA2)

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Most of your plays and Highlights would Die in your stream records forever if it wasn't for NoobFromUA, Magikarp and many more. I mean I didn't saw any of you paying another person to make those highlights, You should pay NoobFromUA for the free Promoting on YOutube ( since hes very popular now ) that you are getting!.

Noone will watch your stupd 1:15hour records on twitch to see a highlight because many times it doesn't exist.

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[–]santh91 [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Pro players are not wrong, but it just seems so...unnecessary. I guess they just dislike noobfromua.

[–]PanzerVI [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

no they are lazy and greedy. this is money that they aren't getting and they think (possibly rightfully) that they deserve a cut. yet at the same time they aren't willing to do it themselves and make all the money. so instead they bitch at the guy who is doing it.

[–]Cody_X [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I disagree. I don't think most streamers care that much about the money they make from people watching their random vods. The fact that these youtubers are posting their content with almost no effort (only cutting the wanted portion out) and making money out of it.

[–]VOldis [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Am I lazy for not renting out an extra bedroom in my home? Maybe, does it matter? It doesn't mean someone else can come right in and rent it out, and monetize my stuff for free, because I don't? 100% no.

[–]Gammaran [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

i dont think you could have made a biggest straw man even if you wanted to, lol.

[–]go_home_cook_rice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

how is this comparison relevant to what were talking about holy fuck

[–]Slayz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You wouldn't download a car.

[–]MikeFromBC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Your comparison is infantile.

[–]PanzerVI [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

i don't think your analogy really holds up in this case. unsure why though.

[–]watbe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The analogy is not accurate because in the streamer's case, the bedroom doesn't exist to begin with.

To improve the analogy, it should be like "Is NoobFromUA allowed to build a bedroom based off my house, and then rent it out?"

The bedroom doesn't exist without someone building it, and if you don't build it, is he allowed to build it and rent it out?

Jeeeeez that got far-fetched.

TL;DR: Is NoobFromUA allowed to add value to someone else's product and then monetize it?

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    [–]fatherrodin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I don't get it, you can see football, basketball, baseball etc.. YouTube highlights, it's the same thing here.

    [–]Kolko_LoL [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Clearly, NUA is in the wrong. The players have every right to be angry, but if those players had no intention of using their stream highlights, then there's no fucking harm done.

    All NUA does is make it easier for the viewers. A lot of fans don't have time to watch 5 hour streams. But if Zai wants to be selfish for literally no reason then so be it, nothing we can do.

    [–]Learn2Buy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    And let's be honest, if Reddit succeeds in pitchforking NoobFromUA to death it isn't going to stop the "problem". NoobFromUA will just get replaced by even worse content stealers. Right now NoobFromUA is the lesser of all evils.

    [–]Karahx 83ポイント84ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Magikarp and Noobfronua are the only ones beside Bulldog I sub and frequently watches on YouTube that is dota related. Got no plans on stopping watching their videos.

    [–]RisingAce 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I actually only followed bull dog sing demon and rtz ecause of magikarp dota his videos are so funny.

    Like i thought rtz never said anything and that his stream was tryhard play with rap music but it is actually funny to savour the baby rage

    [–]TheInfinityGauntlet -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    What about Nigma tho

    [–]EE fanshit, fuck teams.Kuro013 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

    yeah the guy who upload 1 video per month.

    not saying hes not good because I love his stuff, but magikarp and noobfromua are much more frequent with their uploads.

    [–]TheInfinityGauntlet [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    True, too busy shitposting and shilling nail clippers on twitter to make us those fresh gif memes with audio

    [–]Long Live The Alliance!HeavenAndHellD2arg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Except noobfromua rarely uploads actual streams unlike magicarp

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      [–]lianjim 49ポイント50ポイント  (8子コメント)

      I never watch dota streamers before, because I thought it's stupid to waste time watch other ppl playing games, like, it's better to play the game yourself right? That was until I saw videos from noobfromua, and then i got hooked to SingSing's funny streams, now I will catch all his streams if I can or watch the VOD, and donates money to sing sing to support him. So, indirectly noobfromua is the one promote streamers to people like me.

      [–]cys22 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      on the contrary, i only watch people play games (let's plays and what not) instead of playing them myself, I can just skip parts of the games i dislike or watch how somoene with a funny personality takes on whatever it is that hes playing. Plus i waste less time.

      [–]lianjim [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      same with me now. i actually reluctant playing solo now because I scare of meeting player that are less competent and doesn't communicate, it's so stress lol, watching is easier.

      [–]niggadicka [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      because I thought it's stupid to waste time watch other ppl playing games, like, it's better to play the game yourself right?

      glad you changed your perspective. I hate it when people go by this logic, especially when you try to explain twitch to them.

      [–]whamola750[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      many people went through that i think, i consider myself one too! x)

      [–]qqwrwwf [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      real talk. only losers watch that shit since you have to wait potentially hours for big plays or hilarious fails.

      i'd rather just watch the meat of the playthrough.

      [–]GrmpMan 25ポイント26ポイント  (26子コメント)

      you act like that matters its still stolen content if the streamer doesn't want it stolen it shouldn't be stolen

      [–]J3D1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Streamers don't even own their own content buddy because it's not theirs to begin with. That is why you don't have to pay to watch anything and they can only accept donations and subscriptions for fluff content. They do not fucking own their content or they would sell it as a PPV

      [–]I'm better than my MMR. Promise...eddiekerr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      They own their face and voice though, which is the issue here. NoobFromUA is using gameplay material, plus the streamers video feed and audio, which is the issue, not the DotA assets owned by Valve.

      [–]Ljud89 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Does anyone know the legal status about using a couple of seconds of live video? People do it to highlight things in sports. From news media, youtube uploaders to comedians. They use the commentator and everything.

      [–]I'm so hard right now.DemanRisu [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      That's fair use. What's not fair use is presenting an abridged version of someone's content, and then showing ads over it.

      [–]You Can't Run From Heavenhwanlv 88ポイント89ポイント  (31子コメント)

      they didnt gave a fuck for years... now they CARE, like wtf?

      [–]Soulblightersbsolarski 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

      TIME TO PULL OUT SOME DUSTY AGE OLD PATENTS .... oh wait wrong thread

      But SAME SHIT.

      [–]El-Drazira 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      LMFAO wE cAREA nOW HAHA Xd

      [–]tits-mchenry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I have a feeling if he had just asked for permission before he was called out multiple times this wouldn't be a problem.

      But he's shown a habit of disregarding player's requests, so they're disregarding his.

      [–]inaudibleThrash [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      RTZ only cares now cause the drama with kuro secret and EG has died down and no one cares about that shit any longer. He needs new shit to babyrage over.

      [–]Muntberg [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Arteezy's response to this comment:

      What the fuck is wrong with people.

      [–]MikeFromBC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Funny coming from a guy who takes money on stream to play copyrighted music requests from viewers.

      [–]quickclickz [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

      Just because you have a pool in the backyard that you're not using because you've been on vacation "for years" doesn't give your neighbors the right to use it as they please or even better, invite other people over and ask an entrance fee during these years.

      [–]ingrum [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      your sight is all fucked up if you didnt realize ur neighbor has been sitting in your pool for years now

      [–]animetractor [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

      why do morons always make a comparison to actual property whenever arguing for intellectual property rights?

      [–]GET OFF MY LAWN!Tehmaxx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Just because you have a few songs recorded and on tape you aren't putting on records and selling doesn't give a record company the right to use it as they please or even better, put it on Itunes.

      Analogies aren't meant to be taken literally, I don't see why the entire basis of your counter argument is to take something super literal and then dismiss it completely without addressing that something is stolen.

      [–]I'm not hoping but I just really like Na`Vi ok?dymar123 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Ｙ Ｏ Ｕ Ｗ Ｏ Ｕ Ｌ Ｄ Ｎ ' Ｔ Ｓ Ｔ Ｅ Ａ Ｌ Ａ Ｃ Ａ Ｒ

      [–]Midas -> RefresherZeruvi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Funny story, the music track to that ad wasn't licensed outside of the original country before it was distributed almost worldwide.

      [–]/r/nyxnyxyxJazzy_Josh [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Because this is a legitimate analogy?

      [–]MikeFromBC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      No it's actually not.

      Because with physical property, just the act of taking something is wrong.

      However with intellectual property that isn't the case. I could take a whole 6 hour stream of Arteezy, and commentate over it. It would be considered transformative commentary and it would be perfectly legal. Even though I took his property, changed it, and uploaded it for monetary gain; it would still be legal.

      Compare this to strealing a car, fixing it up, then reselling it after; no way that would be legal.

      [–]pixelman1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      why do morons

      Asked and answered.

      [–]inpathos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Mutualists would disagree. Unused property ain't yours.

      [–]Gammaran [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      straw man argument, this is not the same

      [–]igkunow [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      This shit reminds me of the record industry collapse during the napster era. Record labels whined and whined about their songs being stolen despite the fact they were offering a shitty product (1 or 2 singles packaged with an album of BLOAT). At the end of the day record sales plummeted and the market has shifted and guess what, free music is everywhere. Sometimes refusing to adapt to change just makes you look archaic and naive of how things really work. I mean for fucks sake these players are playing a completely free game provided by valve that they are able to make millions from and they are pitching a fit about a person who is driving interest in the scene and actually aiding in the expansion of exports with his consistent and fast highlight videos.

      [–]Cya*Bishmar 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

      at this point he makes more money than bigger part of pro players, guy has millions channel views and over 400k subs.

      [–]Thevort3x 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Isn't that due to his hard work and dedication to make these videos? I'm sure he wasn't making much 3 yrs back

      [–]a34fsd [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      but he is stealing and adding nothing of value (except cutting, finding and editing) xddddddddddddddd

      [–]Cya*Bishmar [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      you mean picking up from garbage and bringing gem plays to public. i dont even think zai has youtube channel to begin with, nor time to edit his own stuff. free publicity is free publicity!

      [–]The_Keg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I'm pretty sure xaxasxs was sarcastic...

      [–]Yamulo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      That doesn't matter at all? Still a leech either way.

      [–]phantomash [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      And he's doing it while the content is still fresh and on demand, while his editing is of high quality and on point. If it's so easy I'd like to see someone else do it, ask for permission this time. Granted NUA could have been more mature about it, but its not like the streamers are being very mature about it either. Streamers could have contacted NUA privately and discuss the terms, nope. Social media it is, making a mountain out of molehill.

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            [–]alpacapatrol [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

            Okay let me preface this with : I am a streamer. Granted not as famous or popular as those involved, but I am a twitch partner.

            With that said, what I do and in turn, what all of these guys do - is stream content made by someone else. We are allowed to do this since we operate in the Grey Area known as Fair Use which protects us (or is generally supposed to) from Copyright Claims from the game's creators. Specifically, the part of Fair Use that is important to streamers/LPers is 'transformative content'. That is, our content is different from someone just pirating the game and playing it because we overlay audio and visuals that transform the experience of play to something different. What NoobFromUA does falls under this 'transformative' umbrella. He edits the content into his own bite-sized format.

            Mainly though, all of that shit I just said is moot anyway since these streamers do not have a copyright on their content, nor can they pursue one because, as I explained before, their content is inherently derivative. Yeah maybe not asking before hand is a bit of a dick move but in the highlight space - as NUA has shown - whoever gets there first, wins.

            TL:DR NUA does something that can maybe considered a little dickish but is not fundamentally wrong in terms of the law.

            [–]xDeadZoNeD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Nlss is fun to watch.

            Id consider whats nua does as similar to something that Dracula Fetus does, in a sense, he hosts some of the best highlights of a show on a different platform, that otherwise may not have been seen by many people. Although, Dracula Fetus is different in the sense of artwork that he creates, it's based on the same kind of idea.

            Reddit being reddit though, everyone's an asshole once one person says so.

            [–]brollebol [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

            What he is doing does most definitely not fall under "Fair Use".

            [–]Boondock9099 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Hey so everyone, what about oddshot.tv. When do we all rise in arms against that?

            [–]So weak... got nerfed...Hoaviet [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            What do you mean? Is valve gonna sue the streaming for streaming their game now?

            [–]brollebol [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            No I'll give you a good example of what "fair use" is.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V-k-p4wzxg

            (Really cool video too)

            Basically it shows the entire scene from silence of the lambs but the channel owner uses that scene to create his own content (an in-depth analysis of the scene) to the point where the scene is merely an instrument for him to create his own content.

            NoobfromUA is not using the streamers content to create his own content, because the streamers content IS his content. If he were to analyze the play during the highlights he post that would fall under fair use, merely cutting up the content a bit isn't considered "fair use".

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              [–]Frekavichk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              What does law have to do with anything? There is no law, just the major hoster's policies.

              [–]Mang0King [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Is cutting a video with no comintary no added content just shortening it transformative?

              [–]youtube.com/thevoices297TheVoices297 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Fair use is proven in court it isn't a given. At least that is how it works in the US. If you think something that has been filed against can be covered by fair use you can then defend your actions as such. It isn't a blanket or automatic thing and never has been. This is the biggest and stupidest lie i see from people who come into youtube do all the time. "BUT IT FAIR USE" well the claims disagree and unless you want to fight the legal battle to put it under the category then it isn't.

              This doesn't matter though as no one is flagging NUA at the moment either so he will do whatever till real consequences appear.

              [–]a34fsd [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

              Are his videos "fair use" since he just takes the content and cuts it and only adds little special funny effects or commentary?

              Also can you expand on the fact that streamers dont own their content?

              [–]youtube.com/gutsycanuckGutsyCanuck [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

              He doesnt add any of his comentary or special funny effects or anything

              Sometimes he does actually.

              [–]a34fsd [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

              Yea but it is very small stuff unlike actual lets players and stuff so idk if it still counts.

              [–]youtube.com/gutsycanuckGutsyCanuck [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

              But you said it as an absolute.

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                [–]punter75 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                But why do you or noobfromua get to decide how to content creators should handle their own content? It may be beneficial to them to have their plays featured on other people's channels but if they do not want the content that they created to be displayed and monetized by a third party without any permission then it should not be.

                [–]Ord0c [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Your rational arguments are invalid because people think different on the internet. And pls don't waste your time explaining why you are right, because everyone knows you are. It's jsut that no one cares about right or wrong. People want free stuff and free clips and they don't give a flying fuck about anything else.

                So pls stop bringing actual sense into the simple need for drama and shit posts.

                PS: I just monetized your post for personal reasons.

                [–]ashenlok [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                So are they going after oddshot then?

                [–]Soulblightersbsolarski 29ポイント30ポイント  (17子コメント)

                fkn oath, this shit is pissing me off, these fucking streamers don't upload their own highlights so naturally someone will fill the service gap!

                [–]Pig_Benis69 [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

                Yeah, who gives a fuck about who's right and who's wrong, just give me what I want NOW .

                [–]CronoDroid [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                Hey well, the audience comes first, especially when you're talking about digital content. If it isn't NFUA, it will be someone else. If streamers don't like it well they're under no obligation to stream, Arteezy has even said he doesn't like streaming that much but looks like all that eSports money is too hard to turn down.

                [–]Frekavichk [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

                Pretty much.

                I want highlights. If streamers don't give me what I want, I'll get it somewhere else.

                [–]LucasPmS [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                But they also have the right to not allow another person do use their content.

                [–]Frekavichk [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                I couldn't give less fucks about what they think they have the right to do.

                How hard is that to understand. I just want highlights, streamers are being little bitches about other people doing their job for them.

                [–]LucasPmS [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                Well, doesnt matter how many fucks you give about it, the fact is that they can take that out from you. I understand, I also want hightlights, but the thing is, it is going away pretty soon seens like

                [–]Frekavichk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                the fact is that they can take that out from you

                Well they certainly can try, and lose any respect or want I had to support them. That is their choice.

                [–]XyfDota [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                You want a few grapes, but I only sell them by the bunch. That makes it fine for you to steal my fruit? Or buy it from a guy who stole it from me?

                You aren't going to a different supplier like you imply, you are going to someone who stole it from the seller. And you know they stole it and who they stole it from. You are assisting and encouraging the crime. And you are hurting the creator.

                You aren't entitled to shit just because you want it. If the owner doesn't want to sell it in the form you want to buy it you don't have a right to take it.

                [–]Frekavichk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Listen dude I want to watch highlights.

                I'm going to watch them somewhere. That is just a fact.

                The streamer has the choice of quickly editing and putting up highlights, or they can opt to not do it. If they don't do it, I'll get highlights somewhere else.

                This is a service challenge. Streamers can step up and provide highlights, or they can let someone else take the profits.

                [–]amazian77 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                well you go find a guy who is willing to sell a few grapes instead of the guy selling a bunch... edit: dont really care how that guy got those few grapes becuz as a consumer thats what i want.

                [–]Evertonian3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Not even a bunch, its more like buying a couple grapes instead of a pound. I'm not sitting through a 12 hour stream to find some cool highlights, give me the 2 minute version instead

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                  [–]ANYWAY YOU SLICE IT!CatLions [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  the problem isnt that he uploads them, its that he uploads it then puts ads on his fucking videos to make money off of somebody elses content.

                  [–]GET OFF MY LAWN!Tehmaxx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  read as:

                  He isn't stealing from me, so fuck them, I want my shit now.

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                    [–]FreeZIngYourSoul [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                    It doesn't matter that the streamers are getting "free advertisement" from NoobFromUA. It doesn't matter that most people won't watch hours of twitch videos to find a highlight. The videos that streamers create with their own commentary/playing of the game counts as their own work, and if they lodge a copyright infringement complaint NoobFromUA can't do shit to prevent strikes against his account and his YouTube channel will be taken down. In any case, NoobFromUA should be paying the STREAMERS from being allowed to use their content to monetize his videos. If the content creators are fine with the advertisement they get by having highlights uploaded quickly to YouTube, then everyone benefits and all is well. If there is a problem, NoobFromUA will be the one held accountable, because from a very simple perspective, NoobFromUA is making money off of someone else's work.

                    [–]Diavolo222 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                    He uploads pro players stream highlights more rarely than the bandwagoners would have you think. He mostly uploads tournie highlights. There are channels out there who their only content is making stream highlights of pro players. But yet he is the one getting called out.

                    [–]tits-mchenry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    And he has been called out by tourney organizations before, such as BTS.

                    [–]youtube.com/gutsycanuckGutsyCanuck [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                    It's the equivalent to broadcasting spotify during a stream which isn't allowed, or torrenting, every single one of us commits an act no different.

                    But this witchhunt will probably succeed (just by peer pressure alone) and honestly its made me look down upon professionals because they are no better and shouldn't be making a big deal out of something that will be replaced by the next guy in line.

                    I stand up for NFUA to the end, no matter what. He isn't in the wrong and shouldn't be singled out.

                    He also makes the end of a 10 hour shift amazing coming home and watching all the best highlights in a single click. :)

                    [–]TrubsZ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    It's not equivalent because when I torrent I don't make money off it. lol. How do you not see the difference? Classic Gutsy

                    [–]Antoniobrownbigballs [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                    Its actually so dumb that zai had to start this game. I get it, you want recognition and possibly $$ for your content. But the only ones who lose here are of course, us, the viewers. permalinksavecontextfull comments (609)editdisable inbox repliesdelete

                    [–]tits-mchenry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    STOP TRYING TO MAKE MONEY OFF YOUR WORK! I WANT EASY VIDEOS TO WATCH!

                    [–]/r/nyxnyxyxJazzy_Josh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    The downvote icon its right up there go ahead!

                    Thanks dude!

                    [–]OffPiste18 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    There has to be something they can work out that's mutually beneficial.

                    Like let the highlight video creators do their thing but ask them to put a link to your stream/youtube page/whatever. Some kind of cross-promotion. Or even work out a profit sharing situation, I don't know.

                    I just feel like this could be pretty easily worked out if both parties just talked to each other like adults instead of taking public potshots on twitter.

                    [–]Wulnoot [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

                    Unless the streamers are posting their own content on YouTube I don't think they have a case here.

                    [–]( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)rambosalad [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                    their own content

                    aren't you contradicting yourself here. it's their content they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. people shouldnt be able to benefit off other peoples property without permission

                    [–]PanzerVI [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    maybe their own content in this form? the only streamer i know who posts his own content on youtube is purge (i'm sure there are more). but none of the popular streamers are willing to provide the service that magikarp and noobfromua are. it's a bit shitty if they don't ask, but i bet none of the streamers are willing to do these highlight clips either. honestly, the people who watch the highlight videos probably aren't going to be watching the stream for X or Y reason anyway in the worst case, and it could push others who didn't know about these streams to go watch them.

                    [–]MajorAjer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Just like they shouldn't be able to play music they didn't make on stream?

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                        [–]BlastingOffAgainnnnn 6ポイント7ポイント  (15子コメント)

                        I'd actually love to see twitch streamers stop streaming for a week just to see how much people crying about this shit would freak out.

                        [–]70617373776f7264697 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

                        No one would care. New streams would become popular or they'd watch other games. There's no shortage of people capable of streaming their games and being entertaining/skilled. Nothing special about the current people besides their team affiliations and team affiliations count for little regarding viewers.

                        [–]The_Captain_Chunk [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                        What? Are you crazy?

                        The only reason people are watching are because they are big names. And Team Recognition is HUGE. Look at Sumail, he was always a very good player before EG, but when he got signed he instantly got thousands of viewers when he streamed. And have you seen Twitch when rtz, bulldog, sing, etc. aren't streaming? It's dead.

                        If all the current popular streamers stopped for a week most people just wouldn't watch streams.

                        [–]bromeatmeco [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                        I wouldn't say that, specific players have large followings because of their noted streams and people get on to to watch them alone. RTZ gets at least 15k views whenever he gets on. It would take a long time before people moved to other streamers.

                        [–]MikeFromBC 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Some of the can't. Some of them have a contract that forces them to stream lol.

                        Kappa.

                        [–]Nuke fanHHhunter 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        to stream dota2

                        FTFY

                        [–]ThArNatoS 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        to stream dota2 lol.

                        FTFY

                        [–]CronoDroid [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                        They should, bye Felicia. What people don't have other shit to do than watch Arteezy stream? There are casual streamers, other games, actually playing Dota 2, singleplayer games, millions of things to do on the internet.

                        But they aren't going to stop streaming are they because they need that cheddar. It's so funny when people think that the audience really desperately needs to watch pro players stream, I mean it's nice sure but it's the other way around.

                        [–]kappa123454321 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        Have you not seen the reaction when players are getting back from tournaments or when singsing hasnt streamed in 2months.

                        no people dont NEED the streams, but they damn well enjoy having them, thus 20k viewers for rtz

                        [–]Winter Wyvern's so hot actually.Bohya [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        NoobFromUA are producing consumer friendly content. Their work is nothing but positive for consumers (that means you), at virtually no cost to the streamers they are taking highlights from. Such content wouldn't even exist without them since I'm sure most, if not all, of those streamers wouldn't even bother uploading said content themselves. To all the people trying to raising their pitchforks and defending people requesting they stop producing these videos, I'd like you to understand that you are on the wrong side in all this.

                        Doesn't help their cause that all those streamers are hypocrites using music produced by someone else without permission to aid in their own content production, their streams...

                        [–]OuterHeaven- [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

                        Reddit is so cancerous and dumb, Noobfromua doesn't do this because of his love for dota, he already gets money from youtube, also they didn't ask for the advertisement, and the videos don't have advertisement purpose at all, you're just assuming it does because it favors your shitty argument, i could say the same thing and say that less people watch the player's stream because of the highlights, an advertisement would be something like a preview or a tease, you're saying that someone showing the ending of a movie will make people want to watch the movie, it won't.

                        [–]Threekays [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        Noobfromua doesn't do this because of his love for dota

                        You're just assuming he doesn't because it favors your shitty argument. :)

                        [–]AlsoIchFindMichGeil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        complaining on reddit about reddit

                        the r/dota2circlejerk welcomes you.

                        [–]Fwomphxsolar66 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                        He gets money because it's his full time job. This guy is one of the best (and fastest) video editors around, and he should be paid for his work. How else do you expect people to live and eat? Who cares if he loves dota - that's not the point - the videos he makes are always on point and quick to the internet, and are servicing the community whether he loves us or not.

                        [–]tits-mchenry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        The problem is his work is completely profiting on other peoples work.

                        The only thing he brings to the table is the editing. And if he were paid as an editor, that would be fine. Instead he's paid as if the work is 100% his. And it's not.

                        [–]ingrum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        http://i.imgur.com/dQQEMYs.jpg

                        NONe of these videos are taken from streams

                        ALL OF THOSE

                        repeat

                        ALL OF THOSE belong to valve. the only video that didnt belong to valve was deleted because zai requested it

                        how is noobfromua the issue again?

                        [–]Learn2Buy [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                        He does it because of his love for dota, or else he would never have done it in the first place when he wasn't making anything and was unknown. He's able to continue doing it now full time because he makes money. If he wanted good money he could just get a better job instead of doing this shit for garbage youtube money.

                        [–]kappa123454321 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                        If he did it for his love of dota he wouldnt monetize the videos I think yud be surprised how much he makes out of these videos, its not a shit for garbage amount with the frequency and amount he puts out.

                        he could do this part time easily, its literally watching a BO3 or hearing about a cool play and recording the twitch vod stamp

                        [–]J3D1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        He would be an idiot not to just like all them fucking streamers on twitch

                        [–]/r/nyxnyxyxJazzy_Josh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        He does it because of his love for dota, or else he would never have done it in the first place when he wasn't making anything and was unknown.

                        Bullshit. Every business in existence didn't make shit for the first x months/years before being profitable.

                        If he wanted good money he could just get a better job instead of doing this shit for garbage youtube money.

                        Implying he didn't do this in his spare time.

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                            [–]CDEC has the spiritlycanilovememes 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            They use music banned on the content id system of youtube and twitch which means that the guys who own it do not want them to do it, YET they keep using it.

                            They shitted on nintendo last year for doing exactly the same and now they do it.

                            How many more examples do we need of them being dicks on NoobfromUA just because he does the work better than them? it's warlock guy complaining on flairlessvoidguy on reddit some time ago just because he was jealous that belvedere wasn't a dick and did the work faster and better than him, Now where is him now? oh right in voat.

                            [–]Jaliu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                            Actaully wicked is the default patch guy for /r/GlobalOffensive so I guess it kinda worked out, Belvedere does Dota and Wicked does csgo

                            [–]Spyrill 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            I really don't give a fuck if they have a problem with what this guy and others like him are doing, what I have a problem with is them trying to paint the situation as just being an ethical problem whilst they all sit there streaming music without permission. It's the exact same shit, if it was genuinely an ethics thing then you'd put that shit into practice yourselves.

                            That doesn't mean they can't have a point, it just means they're being humongous hypocrites.

                            [–]squidward--tentacles [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                            First of all, we don't know that Amazon isn't paying royalties for copyrighted music. They obviously have the technical ability since they detect it for the purpose of muting VODs. NUA is most definitely not paying the streamers he uses in his videos.

                            Second, while I agree with you that streaming copyrighted music does add value to a stream, I think you'll agree that a much greater portion of the value is due to the streamer's gameplay and commentary. For the sake of making up numbers, let's say the final value is 80% from the streamer and 20% from the music. NoobFromUA finds and compiles highlight clips, and sometimes adds a music track on top. The final product in that case is more like 90% streamer and 10% NoobFromUA.

                            To draw an analogy to a meal, there's a difference between the copyrighted work being the steak or being the gravy on top,

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                              [–]QzyS 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              zai is just probably on her period

                              [–]What team will I bandwagon now? ;_;RequiemFear [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                              If you create something, you are fully entitled to reap the benefits of your creation. It's the principle that drives our capitalistic society, and is deeply ingrained in our culture. Telling people that they shouldn't care when someone takes what you did and then just copies it and makes money off of it, you're going to get obvious backlash.

                              [–]Ord0c [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              True, but there is no harm done. So NUA is doing the right thing. It's just promotion and they money he makes off these vids is just not really a lot moniez ya know? /s

                              [–]hontrash 4 lifeleeharris100 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              It's not his content. Period. That's the end of the "rights" discussion.

                              Now it's on to the ethical discussion. It's up to the streamers to decide what they want to do. If the viewers demand YouTube access/highlight VODs/etc, then the producers have a few options.

                              They can either work with NoobFromUA to have him hand over the majority of the revenue OR they can form their own channel. If they do neither they will likely upset their fans, but it's their right to upset their fans.

                              It's simple.

                              [–]River_Capulet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              People just love being drama queens

                              [–]katikacak [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              im gonna pay someone just to watch and record these top streamers, and for any broadcast of copyrighted music, im just gonna report it the record company. hopefully they get sued for infringements before theyre suing others.

                              [–]hreterh [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                              SO HOW DOES THIS JUSTIFY TAKING OTHERS CONTENT ROOOOOOFL

                              [–]Ord0c [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              ROOOOOOFL

                              Rolling On On On On On On Floor Laughing

                              [–]http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198039475565/MrTheodore [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              you can make highlights on twitch of any length, click profiles, there's probably some.

                              just like youtube vids, but from your own stream on your own channel.

                              nobody expects you to watch the 10 raw stream video, rtz queuing for 7 hours of it isnt interesting

                              [–]LiMpIcHLimpich [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Marry me

                              [–]brollebol [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Nobody is arguing that he isn't providing a valuable service. The thing that rubs me the wrong way is that he did not offer them a part of the revenue or even ask them whether he could use the content, and when he is called out on it he has the audacity to play the victim card.

                              [–]I shall earn my grace.Venichie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              We're watching people watch gamers playing video games now.

                              [–]Stryghor puns!TheOneTrueDoge [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              The downvote icon its right up there go ahead!

                              Fuck, rule #1 of reddit! Upvoted.

                              [–]tralf was righttappedon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              the people who take content from streamers should be thanking them not the other way around you dunce

                              [–]lmao brah git gudGiloushaker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              ALL THE SALT ABOUT HIGH LIGHTS TODAY BOYS

                              [–]DotANote [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              I want a NoobFromUA flair

                              mods pls

                              [–]the one who clocks!rafael110590 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              i don't see singsong neither bongboss crying about it.

                              [–]myinsanity21 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Seeing someone post this one.BibleThump

                              [–]Epsi_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Your point is valid but you're still not allowed to make money with others content. Dura lex, sed lex, boyz.

                              If you want to use pitchforks, use them vs Twitch who still allow streamers to earn money, using music without licences. (They're trying to find some solutions tho : music.twitch.tv )

                              [–]GET OFF MY LAWN!Tehmaxx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              It's only a matter of time before they simply change their settings to stop recording broadcasts on twitch channels.

                              [–]dezzle!ggqq [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Streamers aren't the sole content creators - I don't see them paying valve for streaming what is essentially valve's game, so the same logic therefore applies to them too. They act like it's all their content but just them talking over themselves playing a game isn't very worthy of a contribution more than a credit mention, which the creators usually do (eg. "Wagamama" plays X or "EG. vs. CDEC highlights" in the title)

                              [–]Ragsmuena1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              It benefits us viewers and fans but some streamers only think about themselves tbh smh fam

                              [–]Frustrasian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              I really don't care if most of the streamers shut out NUA. I don't even like RTZ, Waga, EE etc... I'll only really be crushed if SingSing joins them.

                              [–]Boondock9099 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Hey so everyone, what about oddshot.tv. When do we all rise in arms against that?

                              [–]dirtyrata [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Everyone enjoys his videos. He's doing a lot of hard work. Hopefully most streamers are going to be ok with him creating awesome dota content as they benefit from this exposure as well.

                              [–]MADISON, WI USA USARob0t1c_Phantom [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              I am convinced all viewers and twitch chat are fake anyways cause no one watches my shit no matter what.

                              [–]assBatskater [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              What the fuck is wrong with the English in this thread?

                              [–]orangejuice1234 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              yeh noobfromua is just a little boy all day in his basement watching replays and stream

                              [–]dirtyrata [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Who in the world would want the best dota content displayer to stop doing such awesome and dedicated work? People should think twice before pitchforking such a dedicated guy from the community.

                              [–]J3D1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              If steamers owned their own content in ANY FORM their would be a PPV required for their content they deemed most valuable. They can only accept donations and subscriptions for fluff content BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE EXPLICIT RIGHTS TO WHAY THEY CREATE. Hence all the other avenues they have to use to gain money

                              [–]Ukurse [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              If they posted it on Youtube themselves it would be fine imo.

                              [–]AlexnHEY [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                              Some streamers have youtube channels. But they get less viewers than Noobfromua or magikarp or w/e. And even if the highlights would get lost, it means that the streamers don't care about it. They should ask for permission to take clips. And reasons like "they're greedy"/"they're lazy and want to make money"/"they should pay them" are plain dumb imo. I don't care that he/they did highlights, its still ripping shit off made by someone else. It's their right not to want something like that being made. It's the same as someone writing a 200 page novel and someone would make a 20 page resume and started to sell it. Think before posting.

                              [–]connormcwood [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Thats like someone making a review for a game and then the owner saying nah I don't like the content so uhm please delete.

                              If NFU stops making these clips, someone else will. If there is a niche, there is someone willing to take advantage of it

                              [–]Rkmkn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              i am usually a fan of pros. and would talkshit anyone who disagrees with pros. But im totally with u on this one. Honestly fuck those pros. Without fans, they are nothing.

                              [–]EG.masonAwesomeOnePJ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Well said. I don't like how he is reacting to this, but he doesn't deserve this treatment

                              [–]Cykamichi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              These streamers are like those companies who said they are losing billions of $ because people are using ad block. So pathetic.

                              [–]pugsaredrugs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              A stream donator said it best with "it's like arteezy is driving his train loaded with millions of hotdogs, and one hotdog falls off on the side of the road and some poor guy from ukraine is walking away with it(noobfromua), so arteezy beats him over the head and gets it back"

                              [–]Gahron [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              the thing is if its about profit, letting noobfromua take your video and asking for a cut would end up being more profitable due to the traffic his channel would get. Either streamers are stupid or they are wanting the videos not to be shown on his channel for the principle that its their content, and they are free to do whatever they feel like with it.

                              [–]Avar1cious [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

                              Unfortunately that's not how it works. Think of it this way; you have an unused lawn mower that you haven't touched in 1 year sitting in your garage. Someone comes and steals it, and uses it to mow other people's lawns for a profit. Even if you aren't negatively impacted and weren't going to use it anyway (similar to streamers not "losing" anything directly from having footage taken and them not going to upload it anyway) it's still your right to demand compensation for your property being used.

                              That being said; i'd be sad if these highlights went away. Sometimes I'm on my phone and I want to watch a quick 5-10 amusing quip; if the streamers themselves could provide that service or if they could reach a monetary agreement i'd be quite happy.

                              [–]jp4645 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                              Physical property and intellectual property aren't the same thing.

                              [–]Ord0c [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                              True. Physical property can be owned. Intellectual property is free for all. Everyone can copypasta intellectual property and make money off it. Also their is no owner of intellectual property so everyone may claim the intellectual property and use it.

                              I never really understood, why there are patents or licenses etc. I want to copypasta "Song of Ice and Fire" add some notes and sell it. I want to sell songs from different musicians, and I want to print art and sell it. It's all for promotional purpose and it helps to increase popularity of those people. After all, it's intellectual stuff, no one can own it, so I don't even sell it, because it can't be sold. But I get money anyways because I'm awesome.

                              [–]squidward--tentacles [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              The point of an analogy is not to describe something in exact terms - it's to make a comparison between two things in order to draw a parallel.

                              In this case, /u/Avar1cious is drawing a parallel to illustrate how the argument "well it doesn't cost the streamers any money to let NUA do his thing" isn't the most compelling in the eyes of the law.

                              [–]ohmybun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I mean, I'm pretty sure it's up to the streamers (or maybe Twitch) if they don't want to release (or let anyone else release) any highlights. NoobFromUA is literally stealing content AND making money from it. Just because it's free and convenient for us doesn't make it right. I'm sure all of us who illegally download are conscious of the fact that it is illegal and don't try to justify the legality of our actions. And most of us don't even try to sell this stolen content for profit...

                              [–]quickclickz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                              Just because you have a pool in the backyard that you're not using doesn't give your neighbors the right to use it as they please or even better, invite other people over and ask an entrance fee.

                              [–]kisora 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Do you think pro players care about their big plays on stream getting highlighted or not? if they do they could just hire someone to highlight their VODs for them.

                              [–]Cya*Bishmar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              well professional player ZAI sure does care about his big plays and people making money on him xD

                              [–]gatoovzla [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              NFUA DINDI NUFFIN MANE HE BE A GUD BOI, HE BE DOIN IT FOR THE LOVE OF DOTA AND FREE ADVERTISEMENT

                              [–]NoGoN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              http://www.lextechnologiae.com/2010/11/01/live-broadcasts-and-performances-arent-per-se-copyrightable-revisting-the-fixation-requirement/ -------- By law RTZ has no rights on a Stream soo NUA actually cant be punished for this in anyway.

                              [–]gonna have your mamayheneva -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Yeah, streamers should pay youtubers to make money for themselves. No one would even know who Arteezy was if it wasn't for them.

                              [–]neclark2 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                              I think streamers underestimate how much traffic these highlight reels bring to their twitch stream. Regardless of who's "in the right", it just makes good business sense to allow these highlight creators to continue to exist.

                              [–]SUNSTRIKUUUUManseyes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              no it doesn't lmao, the highlight creators are making more than the streamers in some situations, thats fucked, royalties are a thing for a reason

                              [–]siglug [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Bet you're one of those guys on youtube who uploads songs to youtube and puts something retarded like "copyright not intended" on the description and thinks that makes it okay. It's the viewers who generally waaay overvalue "free advertisement".

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