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[–]SirBelvedere 39ポイント40ポイント  (30子コメント)

What is really sad is that NoobFromUA is playing the victim card here to gain sympathy from the audience and we are actually falling for that.

In addition, every move he's made since this issue started popping up have all been with the intention of mocking the entire issue or on that border line. Kinda shows how easy it is for him to think he can go the rebel way with it and still have support because he is presuming that we are big enough emotional assholes who can be easily manipulated in to doing so.

This issue came up many many times before and it will continue to many times after. And if it's one that keeps recurring, then there clearly is a problem and one party is always involved.

The concept is simple - if the content creator is not cool with you using his work to earn money - then you don't fucking do it. Simple as that.

Sure, there are no formal regulation to enforce that perfectly RIGHT NOW .. but thanks to you constantly being a dickwad about it, there will eventually be. When that happens, not only will you fuck yourself entirely but so much more in the process. Good thing - idiots like Hexor will get ripped. Bad thing - any budding video maker (not reuploader .. but a video maker) will find it ten times harder to do grow.

In a way, let this drama happen and let NoobFromUA react like this. This issue was brought up with Valve many times in the past. More scenarios will like this will actually force them in to making the move. Good.

[–]Dramatoph1980 25ポイント26ポイント  (10子コメント)

NoobFromUA is a noob. And pro players are hypocrites for monetizing their streams while playing copyrighted music non-stop. Sure, it doesn't apply to all of them, but it sure applies to several if not most.

[–]I'm a fangay and proudFatalFirecrotch [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

People keep playing the music card as some hypocrisy, but it totally isn't the same at all. No one tunes into a pro player's stream to listen to what music they are playing, they tune in to see them playing the game and for their personality. People go to Noob's channel specifically for the pro player's playing and personality. That is a big difference.

[–]inaudibleThrash [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It still kind of is though. Regardless of what people go to their streams for, the music is still playing in the background, and that's enough to make it hypocritical. They didn't ask all the various artists if they could have their music playing while they stream, NUA didn't ask if he could use clips of their stream on his channel. Just because people's ultimate goal isn't to listen to the music, is completely irrelevant. They have the music playing, and they didn't ask each and every artist for permission to use it.

People don't go to NUA's channel, simply because it's his channel, we go their for the stream highlights. The ultimate goal is the stream highlight, not his channel, same as how we go to the player streams for the stream content, not someone else's music. Both players and highlight uploaders, (all of them, not just NUA because everyone uploads without permission, NUA is mostly tournament highlights anyway) have content in which they didn't ask for permission. The pro players just need to not make a big deal out of nothing, they lose abosolutely nothing, while NUA doesn't even gain that much.

[–]I'm a fangay and proudFatalFirecrotch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You are actually proving my point. You are going to NoobfromUA's channel for content that is from the players, not because of his work.

And you are right, music companies could easily give all of the streamers ceases and desist, but they choose not to because they realize that music is adding no value to the stream and isn't taking away from their business.

[–]Behold all these lives for the taking!ThatOnePerson [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Playing copyrighted music isn't wrong. Playing copyrighted music without a license is wrong.

Of course, Twitch knows it's a problem, see http://music.twitch.tv/

[–]PiNGu_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I really don't think him playing the victim has anything to do with who supports and who doesn't. People see him as a service provider, they get to see the highlights of their players and he gets viewership for his channel.

[–]SirBelvedere -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not just viewers. He monetizes the content. Not by creating that content, but simply distributing it without permission of the creator.

And content creators seem to find that unacceptable. But hey .. not their place to complain right?

[–]PiNGu_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ok but he also works on the video, he gets to watch whole games hours and hours to make a 5 minute video with the highlights, that's work done on the content, that should justify some monetization. And calling them "content creators" in this context is a bit different because said "content" wouldn't be created by the player in the first place.

[–]SirBelvedere 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

said "content" wouldn't be created by the player in the first place

Content generated from a streamer's stream is not created by them? How are they not the content creators of the content that comes up from their stream.

Also he works on highlight videos and at this stage, we can pass a blind eye to that because yes - that is work. But there are many many more instances where it's blatant reuploading and that is not cool.

Ffs, he reuploaded Valve's player profiles from TI5 and was monetizing them.

[–]PiNGu_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The content I'm referring to is the highlight reel, he isn't reuploading whole stream sessions. Using the player profiles as a example, I saw it first on NBU's channel because I didn't have Dota's channel subscribed then I went lookup the others videos in their channel so in that sense it helped advertise Dota's channel, even if this is extremely anedoctal, I can imagine others did the same and that to be honest I feel like incident is different from this. This just feels like a Lose-lose-lose situation, Fans don't get to see their favorite's players video because they won't provide a good service for that, youtubers will have less content to advertise the game, players and tournaments and the players will lose an oportunity to get their plays shown.

[–]Beuneri -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, I guess better to not have the content at all than someone MAKING MONEY OUT OF IT!!!111 WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!!1

It's not like these guys gets their salaries paid by us, the fucking community.

They are losing NOTHING, getting exposure and still being bitchy about it. And I should be mad at NFUA? Ok.

[–]Fwomphxsolar66 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Or you could just let him make the highlight videos. Let him have his money whilst promoting the streamers content and doing a great service for the community, and stop trying to see him as a 'dickwad'. It's got nothing about us being emotional assholes - it's that the highlights that this guy makes are always on point and FAST, almost as fast as your Dota update logs. People want highlights - that's why there's a highlight option for all dota 2 replays - and we're the ones benefiting from people like Noob. We should be praising his work, not putting him down.

[–]SirBelvedere [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When people like NoobFromUA post content from streamers, it actually hurts in the entirety. It doesn't help.

Pros:

  1. We are getting the VOD's quickly.

Cons:

  1. Streamers are not given enough time to upload their own VOD's. Sometimes they are still streaming.
  2. Streamers do not get to decide if they want their content to be distributed by someone else.
  3. Streamers do not have a say or partnership when someone else makes money off their work by simply being faster.
  4. Streamers are discouraged from streaming more because a good cut of their their post stream revenue is now gone to someone else.
  5. You might think it's small buck but it ain't -- especially when it's happening on such a large scale.

Let's say - if I were to ask NoobFromUA to manage player channels and upload the player videos to their channels directly and then take a small portion of the income for the service of uploading them fast - which is rightful in everyway .. would he do it? No, because that would be pennies in comparison to this. The stacks of green cashing in right now ain't his to bank. That's why the streamers have a problem with it. And will continue to do so.

[–]THIS IS GOING TO BE ABSURDallthefoxes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Personally, I take the side of not caring.

Noobfromua provides a great service that I sincerly enjoy. I hoesntly dont care about anything else in this instance.

[–]a34fsd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How is he mocking or playing the victim? I dont see that anywhere at all.

[–]Shuoh -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stop trying to speak for other people when you hold such a retarded point of view.

[–]HelloLadies13 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

we are big enough emotional assholes who can be easily manipulated in to doing so.

Noone is manipulated...but i see some hypocrites complaining about stolen content when the biggest part of their time on internet contains free movies,free porn,free music,free torrents etc...

We are not 10 years old.You do it,i do it,we are both illegals and the idiots that are complaining are just idiots.

[–]Soulblightersbsolarski -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

fucking hell this. we all fkn do it, GET OVER IT

[–]mainstreamlolplayer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

brb gonna shoplift some steam gift cards. You guys should do it too since you pirate movies, games and music. Since we all stole something illegally, we should do it more and advocate that there's nothing wrong in stealing. Hooray for not being hypocrites!

[–]Merson316 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Let's say you get rid of NfUA. Then what? He'll only be replaced by another, then another, it won't stop. There are hundreds of channels right now waiting in the wings licking their lips hoping he fails so they can get his slice. Now I don't agree with what he is doing but you're pissing in the wind if you think this is a easily solved problem.

This is no different then pirating a movie/song/tv show, many people have tried to stop that and look how well that went for the studios.

Edit: I'm not defending NfUA here, just trying to get across the bigger picture. The solution to this is not an easy one and it needs to be carefully decided as it will effect a lot of people going into the future, including you and me who consume any dota 2 content outside of the source.

[–]SirBelvedere 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly why I said let this drama happen because then Valve will be forced to modify their video policy. This issue was brought up to them by various people over the past year. They just need to see it spilling out make the necessary moves.

When that happens, these wrongs will be righted but many other things will get very difficult for people legitimately trying hard. Unfortunately, that'll end up being collateral.

[–]Merson316 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't think Valve can do anything without it seriously effecting the end user in some way. Which makes me think in typical Valve style, they won't do anything at all.

[–]SirBelvedere [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I feel that's one of the reasons why they haven't done anything about it. But when enough of the content creators actually complain about this, they will make a forced decision that will right this but change a lot more in the process.

At the end of the day, Valve has always known to be a company that has valued content generators more than distributors. Let's see how it pans out. In a way, it's good that this issue is getting bloated up every few days.