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[–]jkaos92 39ポイント40ポイント  (12子コメント)

Ok here we go again with the Drama.

I fully agree that NUA shouldn't "steal" content from someone else without asking and should share a small percentage of the money from the video.
Btw, everything said above is ONLY part of good ethics.
I want to make some clarifications, even if I am a Zai fun and not support in any way NUA. I want to clarify these things to make you realize how many of you are hypocrites, so feel free to downvote this comment.

  • Although it may seem absurd, there is absolutely no rule/law that prohibits NUA to rip a Zai stream.
    It is ethically wrong, but if you followed him till yesterday and you hated SUNSfan for the statement he made ​​in the past about NUA and you have supported NUA on that occasion, I don't see why you are on the Zai side now. Why SUNSfan was wrong and Zai is right?
  • It was much more founded the complaint of SUNSfan and I remind you that many here hated him for that. Also tell me reddit, given that we want to enter in the law and good ethics, how many streamers pay and give the rights for the music that they stream?
    For example, when I go to see a streamer and there is his horrible music in the background, of course, I go there to see him play, however, I hear his music, that it's "stolen". Not to mention the fact that probably has been downloaded "illegally" (welcome to internet jkaos, but hey also Zai "steal" content, who care?).
  • Third point, less relevant , many who are angry for NUA facts, probably watching his videos and all other on youtube with Adblock active and downloading ILL-EAGLE-music from the internet (yeah me too).
    If you are this guy, please take 1 minute to think about it, you are dirty just like NUA.

[–]Earlaway 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is one major difference with the zai and the sunsfan drama. Zai is calling NUA out for taking his content. Sunsfan is calling out NUA for taking valves content.

Valve does not monetize the interviews, and do not host TI5 (where the content was taken from) to monetize the viewers of the event. They do not run ads, they let anyone who wants restream the games/ the event, etc. Their goal is just to spread the word of dota 2. It is completely reasonable that Valve actually is for NUA uploading their TI5 content to his channel as it would spread the content to his subscribers.

Obviously asking valve is the right way to go about this, but seeing as how it can take valve weeks to fix simple customer support issues I doubt they will get back to him on being allowed to upload their TI5 content ever.

Slightly related, but does not oddshot do something of the same? Oddshot does not require a streamers approval to upload their clips do they?

[–]Kurbz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slightly related, but does not oddshot do something of the same? Oddshot does not require a streamers approval to upload their clips do they?

There has been this drama in other scenes, for other games about their stream content being ripped by oddshot.

[–]rooxo 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

  1. AFAIK copyright law prohibits what nua is doing(im not entirely sure though) since the content zai created is owned by him Also I do think sunsfan was right when calling him out for stealing valves content(and later reddit agreed too iirc it's just that sunsfan isnt very popular)

  2. I don't think people hated him for that particular reason he wasn't very popular anyways If streamers use music they aren't allowed to stream then that isn't better than what nua is doing, but since this never was an issue ever I guess that copyright allows this usage of music and how the music was downloaded doesn't actually matter unless you actually know where it's from(Spotify is free for example and not illegal)

  3. If you're putting nua and illegal downloads on the same level then you know what the punishment would be right? When you get caught pirating you have to pay huge fines. Also, the difference is internet pirates don't try to make money with the content they took

Edit: ok so I looked it up and it turns out if your stream has music that is not in the twitch music library and copyrighted you will get banned if you get a DMCA notice by the copyright holder So on twitch copyright violation does get punished while nua doesn't

[–]socrates111 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

zai created is owned by

this couldn't be further from the truth. Zai doesn't own the content.

[–]rooxo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Well twitch has rights to it too, but it's his intellectual property isn't it? And he could get nua's videos taken down for that right?

[–]RR4YNN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If twitch agrees with Zai's complaint maybe.

[–]socrates111 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think it's his intellectual property. You would have to identify a precise "idea" that belonged to him ... intellectual property isn't just everything you do, it's a specific idea you have that has been expressed in some medium.

And that's true regardless of so many major medicating facts such as, his games are already shared free of chair on Twitch, he is playing a valve owned game, and both of the terms of use for these two companies say he can't charge others for licensing rights

[–]gg-shostakovich 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How is he stealing Valve content when Valve pretty much gave everyone rights to stream and monetize their content?

[–]rooxo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did they allow people to monetise the ti5 player clips? Because that's what sunsfan called him out on and I think those were/are not free to use

[–]www.facebook.com/titadota2cru-sad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

even if i am a Zai fun

are you a ZaiFUN like people are for SunsFUN? kappa

[–]Behold all these lives for the taking!ThatOnePerson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Although it may seem absurd, there is absolutely no rule/law that prohibits NUA to rip a Zai stream.

How about automatic copyright? His recording of his voice is automatically copyrighted. If NUA rips his voice, that's copyright infringement.