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Pro circumcision poster, Uganda, 2012. (imgur.com)

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[–]GoldenFalcon 109ポイント110ポイント  (9子コメント)

I don't think the picture matches correctly. It almost seems like she's excited about the uncircumcised penis. "Wow, look at that thing.. I love it"

Also, it doesn't even say WHY you should want to.. just to be proud.

[–]wellitsbouttime 39ポイント40ポイント  (2子コメント)

yep. she looks like she's about to gobble that right up. cut or not.

[–]tylercoder 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I take its subliminal propaganda then...

[–]MrStilton 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Happy cake day!

[–]Odditys 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, it doesn't even say WHY [...] just to be proud.

That's common with propaganda.

[–]PierreSimonLaplace 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you were proud of your penis, you wouldn't feel compelled to mutilate it.

[–]otakelittle 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's definitely bragging about this at the office the following day.

[–]finnyboy665 145ポイント146ポイント  (25子コメント)

I very much like having a foreskin thank you very much.

[–]retroshark 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

dey took err knobs!

[–]Buffalo__Buffalo 40ポイント41ポイント  (2子コメント)

The woman in the poster seems less convinced.

[–]vhite 145ポイント146ポイント  (0子コメント)

She can do whatever she wants with her foreskin.

[–]M21A1 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

she looks more more surprised than scared/grossed out

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    [–]sockstream 49ポイント50ポイント  (35子コメント)

    The hell? Why would a government health organisation advocate for circumcision?

    [–]HenryPouet 131ポイント132ポイント  (20子コメント)

    Reduced risk of HIV transmission in an epidemic zone where the use of contraceptives is fairly rare and frowned upon (whereas circumcision is not for cultural reason).

    [–]rstcp 59ポイント60ポイント  (11子コメント)

    As you can see in the poster, they still advice the use of condoms: 'Even with circumcision, having sex without condoms puts you at great risk of contracting HIV/AIDS'. In the clinics where they perform the male circumcisions, they will most likely also have more information about AIDS and free condoms.

    [–]HenryPouet 49ポイント50ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You discovered my greatest secret /u/rstcp : I cannot read.

    [–]rstcp 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You weren't wrong. It's still pretty rare in actual use, which is why circumcision is still one of the most effective HIV risk minimization methods. It's also a very small disclaimer at the very bottom of the poster, which probably has something to do with the fact that it's more controversial to advocate condom use than circumcision.

    [–]LOOK_AT_MY_POT 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

    they still advice the use of condoms

    Just because they advise it, doesn't mean the people will do it. The fact is that circumcised men have a lower risk. Maybe some who would ignore the condom advice will accept the circumcision advice. If it ends up with less HIV victims, I can't call it a bad thing.

    and free condoms.

    All the free condoms in the world won't help someone who wont use one.

    There are missionaries in Africa literally telling these people they will be burned for all eternity if they use a condom. But god not only approves, but encourages circumcision.

    If you believe what the missionaries tell you, it's a no brainer. You get circumcised and you don't use condoms.

    [–]rstcp 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I agree with most of what you're saying, but

    There are missionaries in Africa literally telling these people they will be burned for all eternity if they use a condom. But god not only approves, but encourages circumcision.

    I think that's really overstating it.

    [–]LOOK_AT_MY_POT 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Is it though? What I am saying is literally true. There are missionaries right now in Africa telling people that contraception is a sin, and sins lead to hell. And Hell is a burning pit of eternal torture. I didn't even use hyperbole here. This is a thing that is happening. Exactly as I described it. And God encouraging circumcision is inarguable. It's in the bible. Nothing I have said is even a slight exaggeration.

    [–]rstcp 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sure, it's literally true. But what you were implying was that this vision of hell as promoted by missionaries is a major factor in Ugandan's decision about condom use. I've been to Uganda, and I know that this is not how the major religious institutions talk about condom use. Some churches condemn them, others promote them, most are generally neutral. Condoms are not popular or in widespread use, but that has more to do with personal preference. And circumcision for religious purposes is only really a thing with Muslim Ugandans.

    [–]Xenophyophore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The fact is that circumcised men have a lower risk.

    The fact isn't.

    [–]Galactor123[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Glad someone pointed this out. Its more of a public safety thing in HIV epidemic zones than any sort of personal body question like it has become in "the first world" for lack of a better term.

    [–]jdp-redit -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    They say that but that isn't always followed in the campaigns and there is emerging evidence that men who were circumcised are turning away from condoms in increasing numbers, http://tinyurl.com/pkfnw4q In the aggregate this will almost certainly worsen the HIV situation in these countries. The only hope, and it's a good one, is that by the time solid evidence of that is clear there will be far better options, perhaps even a vaccination.

    [–]ZugNachPankow 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No need for url shorteners, you can just link http://www.maravipost.com/health/9592-is-voluntary-male-medical-circumcision-de-campaigning-condom-use.html.

    [–]jdp-redit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It just seems more reasonable to shorten it I actually probably should have hyperlinked the text.

    [–]shodanx -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Stop repeating the lies.

    [–]ZugNachPankow 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

    An alternative, less conflictual way to put it is:

    No link has been found between circumcision and reduced risk of HIV transmission. <link to source>

    [–]shodanx 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I'm not feeling diplomatic when the lies get 113 upvotes because they confirm the audience's bias in favor of ritualistic male genital cutting.

    [–]ZugNachPankow 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    But "stop repeating the lies" isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you post something on the lines of "no link has been found between these things", possibly citing a source, that's much more helpful to those who are curious enough.

    Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1053/

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    [–]adamdreaming 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm personally not in favor of cutting, but if it lowers the transmission of AIDS in certain places I would be in favor of such practices. Citing a source confirming or debunking this is going to have much more weight than the number of upvotes any comment has as far as influencing my personal opinion.

    Could you (or anyone else for that matter) cite a paper or authority on this? It would be a fantastic contribution to this conversation in my humble opinion.

    [–]shodanx 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    From wikipedia

    A meta-analysis of data from fifteen observational studies of men who have sex with men found "insufficient evidence that male circumcision protects against HIV infection or other STIs."[7] The CDC concludes "There are as yet no convincing data to help determine whether male circumcision will have any effect on HIV risk for men who engage in anal sex with either a female or male partner, as either the insertive or receptive partner." [6]

    [6] "Male Circumcision". Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. 2013. Archived from the original on 2013-12-21.

    [7] Millett GA, Flores SA, Marks G, Reed JB, Herbst JH (October 2008). "Circumcision status and risk of HIV and sexually transmitted infections among men who have sex with men: a meta-analysis". JAMA (Meta-analysis) 300 (14): 1674–84. doi:10.1001/jama.300.14.1674. PMID 18840841

    [–]OldDefault 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Can you cite a source for that?

    [–]Tenshik -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I'm a pretty outspoken anti-circumcision guy both online and in real life but I recognize the need and use of it in areas like these. Uncircumcised penises allow bacteria and the like to exist longer than a cut dick. In the first world country this isn't a problem because we clean our dicks, often. Some people (me) probably shower after sex every time. But in Africa with how prolific HIV and disease is I can understand the desire to have an easily cleaned dick. Swipe of a towel with some water is enough for a cut dick, not so much for uncut.

    [–]johnw1988 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Circumcision is wrong, regardless of the location.

    [–]redditsuckmyballs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's the same rationale of saying teeth get food stuck in there, you should pull them out instead of brushing them. Wash your dick and there's no problem.

    [–]OldDefault 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Water and a towel would suffice if you pulled back the skin.

    [–]SoCCantKillMe 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why would you want less dick to play with? Makes no sense

    [–]RamPython 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fuck that shit

    [–]THINKlopez 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Uganda be kidding me. Is this a real poster?

    [–]Kipst3r 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's dumb. Every weiner is beautiful, my friends!

    [–]InscrutableTed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fun fact: Circumcision became common in the English-speaking world after English doctors noticed that Jewish men caught syphilis more rarely than non-circumcised men (which seems to be confirmed by modern studies).

    http://www.circumstitions.com/STDs.html (and this is from an anti-circumcision site)

    [–]thedrivingcat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The word circumcision must set of a trigger somewhere because they always turn into complete shit-shows. It's so predictable, and really fucking sad to see people shaming others about their bodies - on both sides. Calling people "mutilated" for a choice their parents made is immature, not a way to win over allies to your cause.