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[–]My_Life_Uncensored 89 points90 points91 points  (39 children)
I'm a man and I was raped.
The story: My GF was mad at me because I wanted a "night to myself" (We were already having relationship issues and I needed some space). She barged into my dorm, super drunk, and guilted me into having sex with her. I was not in the mood, and was feeling really low, but she eventually guilted me into sex. Yes, I got an erection, and I even came, but I felt so violated and from then on the dynamic of our relationship changed, and it took 6+ years after we broke up for me to recover.
My response to this: I can be emotional about rape, and still am. It is scary for me to talk about it, which is why I use an alt account. But that doesn't mean we can't have logical discussion, for Christ's sake! Let's think critically about this shit and look at different points of view and try to work on this issue from BOTH sides, male and female.
Also, "logic" doesn't mean "sans emotion." It means learn what logical fallacies are and don't use them.
EDIT: As this is getting a lot of attention, partly due to my lack of vital information in the above, let me expand on this:
  1. I was in an emotionally abusive relationship that culminated in this incident. She used a lot of manipulation on me to keep me in the relationship, and used that same manipulation to manipulate me into sex. For example, she had different playlists in iTunes she would play, one for when I was being a "good BF" full of love songs, and another that was full of breakup songs, for when I was being a "shitty BF." She would also give me ultimatums a lot, and would get guilt trip me every time I had to leave because I was running late for rehearsals or classes. She'd make fun of my balding head and tell me it's okay, because she will still love me even with a bald head, even though other girls won't. Whenever I tried to talk to her about this stuff, she'd just laugh it off and say I couldn't take a joke.
  2. The night in question, she coerced me through manipulation: She made me feel like I owed her sex, that sex was my way of proving my affection for her, continued to pressure me despite my repeated "no's" This is by definition "coercive sex," which is rape by definition.
  3. The legal, FBI defintion of rape doesn't even include vagina-on-penis rape: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim." To me, this means our definitions need to be updated.
  4. In fact, RAINN.org states that rape has very unclear and conflicting definitions: "The exact definition of “rape,” “sexual assault,” “sexual abuse” and similar terms differs by state. The wording can get confusing, since states often use different words to mean the same thing or use the same words to describe different things."
  5. Yes, it is partly my own doing for staying in the relationship, and for not saying "No, GTFOff me, I don't want sex." But emotionally abusive relationships are a power play between two individuals. I was the weaker of the two of us, and she used that weakness to fulfill her needs at my expense.
  6. What I gave was disingenuous consent. I said, "Ok, fine." but I didn't really mean it, and my last hour's worth of actions support that. So does disingenuous consent count as real consent? Some of you think it does, but I do not. I didn't give her genuine consent, and I feel she had every right to realize that. She had every reason to believe that my previous hour of pushing back her advances and clearly stating I wasn't interested in sex indicated that she proceeded in willful ignorance of my stance.
  7. Yes, I call it "rape" or "sexual assault" and will continue to do so until there is a better word to describe what I've experienced. I felt as violated and broken as many other "legit" rape victims I've met. And really, there's no better word. Except maybe "Sexual coercion," but something tells me that those of you who disagree with "rape" will also disagree with "sexual coercion." If you have a better word for it than either "rape," "sexual assault," or "sexual coersion," let me know.
EDIT2: At this point, I will be ignoring all incoming responses. I need to move on. But my last point that I still seemed not to drive home:
  1. Is this legally rape? I've never claimed it's legally rape, but if you look at #3, you'll see we have some wildly outdated definitions of rape in the legal system. So, just because it wouldn't hold up in court, doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered "rape." There used to be a time when a black man wasn't considered a person in the courtroom, or when marriage between two women wasn't considered a legal marriage, so saying that "It won't hold up in court" is a flimsy argument. Times change, and they should. Yes, I gave consent, but it was manipulated consent, and that shit shouldn't count.
  2. Legal terms are often defined differently outside the courtroom. Take "Insanity" for example, which has a completely different definition in and out of the courtroom. I think the same can be said for other terms, including "rape." Maybe legally speaking, this isn't defined as rape, but socially and ethically speaking, it's essentially the same thing.
Taking a break form reddit in general, even with my main account. I gotta get some serious shit done, and this shit's fucking distracting as hell. Peace.
[–]Shayshunk 142 points143 points144 points  (38 children)
Just a question, doesn't this still come into sex that you regret? No offense at all and absolute respect to you and your traumatic experience. Just, if you still had a choice was it rape? Or she did completely and utterly leave you in a position where you had to do it?
[–]slayerx1779 77 points78 points79 points  (37 children)
I think there's a difference between sex I wanted and regretted later, and sex I never wanted and regretted allowing the whole time.
[–]GMNightmare 22 points23 points24 points  (36 children)
The actual important difference lies in you allowing it vs it being physically forced upon you.
EDIT: When you don't recognize this, like My_Life_Uncensored did at the end of our... discussion... is that you start to think rape victims can be partly to blame for being raped. Which is disgusting, in my mind, but I guess that's emotional.
[–]My_Life_Uncensored 0 points1 point2 points  (35 children)
If that's true, then men can only be raped by women stronger than them, pinning them down, or by men, also stronger than them, and also pinning them down.
I think it's more complicated than that.
[–]GMNightmare 7 points8 points9 points  (33 children)
No, that's not the case at all. Just because you might be stronger than a woman doesn't mean you're necessarily going to use that force. You can also be pinned down by somebody weaker than you. And there can be weapons/drugs involved.
Rape isn't more complicated than that. Sex in general is more complicated than that, relationships are complicated, but not rape.
I understand that your ordeal was traumatic. But you make light of real rape victims. People who were FORCED into having sex AGAINST THEIR WILL.
You willingly had sex that you didn't want. There is a huge difference.
[–]My_Life_Uncensored -1 points0 points1 point  (32 children)
I did say "Ok, fine," and legally gave consent, but I didn't "willingly" have sex. It was against my will.
I gave disingenuous consent. Is that still consent? This is an ethical question, not a legal one. Is what she did, pressuring me into sex for 1 hour, saying whatever she could think of to manipulate me into saying yes, ethical?
[–]GMNightmare 8 points9 points10 points  (31 children)
Yes, you did. You willingly had sex. It was not against your will. You had a choice in the matter, and you went in for it. You regretted that choice, but that is not the same thing as you not having said choice. I mean, disingenuous consent is consent by definition (you're adding an adjective to describe the type of consent, but that's still consent).
The deal is, there are plenty of people who never had this choice. They were raped. You thinking you're one of them because you regretted your decision spits in their faces and makes light of the issue of rape.
Is what she did okay or ethical? No.
Was it rape? NO.
So stop trying to claim it was rape.
[–]My_Life_Uncensored -4 points-3 points-2 points  (30 children)
I did not "willingly have sex." I was coerced into sex.
Coercion /koʊˈɜrʃən/ is the practice of forcing another party to act in an involuntary manner by use of intimidation...
She used manipulation tactics to intimidate me into sex, therefore it was coerced sex.
[–]GMNightmare 6 points7 points8 points  (29 children)
You were NOT FORCED. You made the choice to have sex. What do you not get about this?
But... but, she might have left you? Tough. I'm sure real rape victims totally associate with you on that. Them being forced into sex, and you, you not wanting to hurt your relationship.
Sorry, I'm making light of your ordeal a bit, just like you're making light of real rape victims. Thinking that you, voluntarily having sex and regretting it, is the same as rape.
Why must you call this rape? You feeling bad about your actions doesn't justify this. You need to accept that you made a decision, a decision you may have regretted, but a decision you made nonetheless.
[–]TheFlagonWagonSo Disabled I'm in the Oppression Paralympics 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
A lot of the time, men get raped while they're too drunk to consent. I hear a lot of stories about men who pass out and wake up with a woman riding them. Alternatively, you could be threatened or blackmailed. "You better fuck me if you want any chance of keeping this job," et cetera.
Both of those are are being forced into sex. Reluctantly banging someone isn't being raped. Guilt tripping someone into sex is definitely wrong and shady as fuck, but it isn't rape.
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