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[META] MensLib is famous! (np.reddit.com)

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[–]sharpandpointless[🍰] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

A wiser person than myself once said: " what others think of me is none of my business"

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    [–]Dewey_Darl 16ポイント17ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Yes, we are. There's been a surprising amount of discussion about us in the gendersphere. I didn't think anyone cared. /r/MensRights doesn't like us because apparently we don't talk about male rape victims or the Duluth model. /r/againstmensrights doesn't like us because we talk about male rape victims and the Duluth model. Figures.

    /r/MensRights seems to spend a surprising amount of time talking about us actually. What do you guys think of that? Why is that? I can't help but wonder if they're feeling a little threatened.

    [–]AnarchCassius 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/MensRights doesn't like us because apparently we don't talk about male rape victims or the Duluth model. /r/againstmensrights doesn't like us because we talk about male rape victims and the Duluth model. Figures.

    Yeah I noticed that. Frankly I think the sub has done a great job of approaching things objectively so far.

    /r/MensRights seems to spend a surprising amount of time talking about us actually. What do you guys think of that? Why is that

    Despite them having the most members of any gender reddit sub I've seen a lot of their content is low quality and repetitive. Not to sound conceited but I think a lot of the MR regulars notice we're actually bringing up good points and feeling a mixture of jealousy and admiration. Some are glad of what we're doing, some are pissed we're getting the attention for what they've wanted to do and others probably just think it's some kind of way to discredit them with a trojan horse movement. Obviously I don't put much value in the last group of opinions but it explain some of the more hostile trolling.

    [–]FixinThePlanet[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

    /r/MensRights seems to spend a surprising amount of time talking about us actually. What do you guys think of that? Why is that? I can't help but wonder if they're feeling a little threatened.

    I don't like to speculate because my opinions of the negative man-spaces on reddit are decidedly feminazi. A whole bunch of subs I won't mention are populated by people who really don't like the idea of dismantling rigid social structures of any kind...

    I like this sub and I like the mods <3

    [–]Dewey_Darl 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Hey thanks! I like the sub and I like the users, even if some of them follow me around everywhere.

    [–]FixinThePlanet[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Shut up you stalker! It's not my fault I have excellent taste in internet spaces.

    [–]Dewey_Darl 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm just waiting till the day I run into you in /r/DarkSouls and /r/ClassicalMusic.

    [–]Maysock 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'd be down to discuss male rape. It does happen, it is horrible, and I have a few friends who are men who have been raped, and cannot talk about it from anything but a humorous perspective without being questioned on it.

    Honestly, I don't know what the Duluth model is, and I've worked at a handful of domestic violence shelters.

    [–]Vio_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mensrights tries to treat menslib the same way they treat 2x or feminism and women in general. Same dismissal, blatant redefning of concepts or flat out rejection of issues facing women and sometimes both sexes/genders, and massive slamming of anyone not supporting their particular brand of mensrights.

    [–]DblackRabbit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We're like the Maria Carey of gender discussion.

    [–]rickyharline 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

    This is a high effort post, this rocks!

    Men's rights is talking about this sub because they prefer to talk about anything but the issues they care about. I'm voyeuristicslly interested in their ideas but I had to unsubscribe because that sub reads like a trashy magazine.

    Men's Rights Today

    You won't believe what a tumblr feminist said about rape!

    How much should you hate feminists? Take our quiz to find out!

    A brave MRA confronts a feminist about "the patriarchy"!

    Another community thinks they can understand men's issues using the philosophy of the enemy !

    [–]Dewey_Darl 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    This is a high effort post, this rocks!

    Haha I can't tell if you're being sarcastic here.

    [–]rickyharline 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Sorry, 100% sincere. Other than your good analysis, you actually dug up the sources. They were fascinating. I really appreciated that you took the time to include those, rather than just asserting it as lazy oafs like me would have done.

    [–]Dewey_Darl 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Oh haha thank you. It is fascinating. It's interesting how people seem to have a lot of preconceived notions of this place based on their prior experiences in the gender sphere. I can't say I blame them.

    I also find it hilarious that the one of the AMR comments criticized us for being too "what about teh menz". I'm not really sure what they want from us, this is a men's issues subreddit. Just lots of funny criticisms all around.

    [–]SlowFoodCannibal 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I found this sub based on some recommendations in /r/againstmensrights, which I visit pretty much daily. I've only seen a couple of negative comments in there and those were about some comments here that were definitely from an MRA perspective. I'm not sure why you think /r/againstmensrights is negative on this sub. I don't agree but I'm open to the possibility that I've missed some things.

    [–]Dewey_Darl 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I never really go to /r/againstmensrights so you could well be right. They just didn't seem too fond of us in that thread. I'm probably the one that missed something actually.

    [–]SlowFoodCannibal [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I would really hate to see acrimony develop between this sub and /r/againstmensrights. I view them as very compatible subs and certainly I've seen quite a few supportive comments in /r/againstmensrights about this sub, including the recommendation that led me here. Please don't say things that would lead people in /r/menslib to believe that /r/againstmensrights is an "enemy" when it really is not.

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    [–]SlowFoodCannibal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    As a person who visits /r/againstmensrights regularly, I strongly disagree with your equating the perception of this sub in /r/mensrights and /r/againstmensrights and worry that you are creating enemies in /r/againstmensrights where you do not have them. Just clicking on the links you yourself provided shows a stark contrast; the /r/againstmensrights poster says this sub is okay while the /r/mensrights poster calls it "shitty"!

    [–]Level100ProtWarrior -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't understand why no one posted that Duluth model utilitarian explanation here... "omg guys look menslib is missing the point!"

    I guarantee that explanation would gain traction here if they had posted it.

    [–]Dewey_Darl[M] 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

    We haven't really had a discussion about meta posts yet, so I'm not going to remove this. I can't say that the other mods won't. Personally I don't have a problem with this sort of post because I find it interesting, but I can't guarantee this sort of thing will be allowed in the future.

    I was thinking of making a post for everyone to accumulate funny shit people are saying about us elsewhere on reddit, like "they'll be an MRM shithole in a week," and "they'll be full of self-hating male feminazi white-knights in a week." (One /r/MensRights user even called us "the sub that shall not be named", and angrily admonished a fellow MRA for hanging out here. Hillarious.)

    What would you guys think of that idea?

    [–]FixinThePlanet[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hahaha well I'm a fervent hanger on in the metasphere so I'm all for it!

    Edit: Nope never mind I just saw some very different comments elsewhere and I've changed my mind.

    [–]Migratory_Coconut 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What did you see that caused such a reversal?

    [–]Level100ProtWarrior 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I've been lurking where gg organize for months, there is no anti woman agenda from what I can see .

    There is literally no evidence of that ... the way they are painted sounds too bizarre to be true for a reason .

    The main weapons used against them are false accusations and damselling .

    I love when they post things like this. It's like posting "I look at GG all the time and never see misogynist content. Why is that? Well, I can't read, of course."

    [–]Ciceros_Assassin[M] 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hijacking this thread to encourage people not to get into a GG slapfight here. As far as I'm concerned, GG isn't a men's issue as such, and there are other places more suited for that discussion.

    [–]FixinThePlanet[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

    This is probably super inappropriate to post but I thought it was nice that the sub was mentioned in this positive context.

    [–]Ciceros_Assassin[M] 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I'll second my DDistinguished colleague and say that I'm fine with this post. It's actually nice to see that SRD's take on our space is largely positive; a few weeks ago most of them were convinced that we were sure to go down in MRA flames. And I'm glad people are talking about us and dropping the sub link in conversation; exposure helps raise awareness and promotes the recruitment effort of our mission.

    People are watching, people! Best behavior. Let's show them what we're about.

    Edit: Huh, somebody mad.

    [–]DblackRabbit 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I came here from the first drama post about the sub. I've made a few positive comments about the subject there and TITRCJ has too and he's got a colossal amount more influence then I do.

    [–]Ciceros_Assassin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It hasn't gone unnoticed, DBR. Appreciated for real.

    [–]Dewey_Darl 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks man! I feel it's probably more effective when you guys promote than when the mods do.

    [–]PseudoWeatherGuy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sub'd, partly based off of what you typed here.

    [–]Starwhisperer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    :)

    [–]karlthepagan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There is a rational movement for ethics in games journalism, it's called GiantBomb.com and everyone should read up on how it was founded.