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[–]tempanought1 downCorbyn=1 year in the Gulag 58ポイント59ポイント  (38子コメント)

I think the more telling number is that only 8% want more than 10,000.

From looking at the BBC and guardian, you would've though it was about 80%.

[–]whencanistopI like pretty flowers 31ポイント32ポイント  (21子コメント)

56% said they didn't know how many we should take, just to put that 8% in context (ie 14% say between 0 and 10k, 22% say 0). I think it's rather depressing that such a large proportion of people want 0.

[–]joeflux [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

Why do you think that is depressing? How many do you want?

[–]Patrick2810 [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

It is indeed depressing, we should be taking as many as is fair under a quota system set out by the EU. Obviously this would be well into the tens of thousands at minimum.

[–]rebola_thesequel [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

At what cost to our social services? Will these people successfully integrate into UK society? Will this encourage yet more migrants to make the trip and get themselves killed? All questions the left seem to be deaf to.

[–]GAdvanceLefty Loon [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

10 thousand people is an almost statistically insignificant increase in population unlikely to damage social services, nevermind that if they were allowed to work most of them are likely to be relatively skilled, Syria was a pretty developed nation until this war

[–]DimReaper [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

They are at a national level, but historically recent immigrants have tended to concentrate in small communities. They're also, even for the well qualified, likely to be disproportionately reliant on public services initially until they settle. So while I agree with the broad thrust that 10k isn't that many, I do think more thought needs to go into the impact on social services than you seem to imply.

[–]GAdvanceLefty Loon [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Certainly true initially, also part of the reason i'm in favour of spreading out migrants across the country so as to lesser the impact in individual areas

[–]DimReaper [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep, I think that would be the way to do it. It'd just need some deep thought into how you persuade people to stay and integrate in the places you settle them, rather than in a year or so leaving to seek work/community in Manchester/London/Birmingham. In one sense, Nicola Sturgeon's vocal calls for more immigrants to be settled in Scotland would be great, there's loads of space and isn't suffering from the social cohesion issues that some areas which have seen high levels of recent immigration are. But I doubt many refugees would want to stay in the Highlands with no community and little work once the initial relief at being settled had worn off. I wouldn't!

[–]heidurzo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We clearly have an excellent record so far in controlling where migrants go.

[–]billy_tables [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If we were to accept 25,000 it'd be 40 per parliamentary constituency. Given we accepted 75,000 from the Kosovo crisis and the country didn't explode or collapse or whatever, I'm not fussed

[–]AnchezSanchez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The question of integration is a very important one. If you take 10000 and stick all of them in a 2 sqkm section of Luton then you're going to have big problems in the years to come. If you take 100 here, and a 100 there and put them across the WHOLE UK then it can be a lot easier. It becomes easier still if the local population welcomes them with open arms and makes it easier for them to settle in. Get the kids involved in the local youth football or rugby team's etc (sponsor their dues to begin with, donate some boots). Put on mandatory free English lessons for all that cannot speak it, etc. That sort of thing is the real difference when it comes to integration. Before you know it the vast majority of the migrants will be more British than you or me. Doing this correctly will require investment, and it will require the local population's support.

It's all about having a plan, and having the political will to carry it out.

[–]1eejit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Will this encourage yet more migrants to make the trip and get themselves killed?

No, because the government plan to take refugees from refugee camps in the region rather than accepting those who have made the trip.

[–]mosestrod#redterror2015 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

At what cost to our social services?

thousands will have little effect if spread evenly across the country. That said the government is playing politics - successfully - by underfunding public services (via major cuts to local government especially) and then getting it's lackeys in the press et al. to blame the consequent limited supply on migrants. That said refugee's are an altogether different thing since they overwhelmingly return to their country of origin when the violence that ejected them has lessened.

All questions the left seem to be deaf to.

because they aren't real question at all. They are faux questions, illusory, that hide the real problems faced today. They are also premised and imply lots of very dangerous tropes and stereotypes. If the British populace perceive some thousands of migrants and refugees as a threat to their way of life, their welfare state etc. that only represents a deeper hidden crisis in the British nation-state that's nevertheless been refracted onto an 'other', an other with little influence, power or consequence. Migrants on the whole have little effect on our society insofar as they're unlikely to claim benefits from the state in any form, and generally take up precarious and casualised jobs. They have few and disparage organisations representing their interests which are pretty much never contemplated by the ruling-powers.

The economic ruptures since 2008 has required a re-assertive capital. Migrant's cheap labour and the privatisation/outsourcing of state assets (together with reducing the state from economic affairs more generally) – i.e. austerity – represents the need to attain profitability and growth in British capital. That capital has so far managed to mediate dissent into an anti-immigrants politics would be ironic if it wasn't tragic. As long as everyone dances around the real motivator of change in our society, and place the focus on the symptoms rather than the causes, we can't even begin to offer any solutions (since we've yet to ask even the correct questions).

A problem is that of multiculturalism and the 'integration' of British migrants from the 20thC. The various muslim communities which are endlessly posed as some-kind of anti-thesis to Britishness "and their unwillingness to assimilate" are repetitively confused by the right-wing press with that of migration, as if second-generation migrants - i.e. citizens - bare any similarity to migrants of the last 10ish years. To often the populist right-wing essentially preforms its reactionary politics on anyone who's not British, a definition which is always implicitly white (after all muslim citizens are barely posed to be British at all), which means they confuse very different phenomena in society (not least the distinctions between refugees, migrants, and second/third generation migrants).

[–]jerodimus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is an excellent response to the pathetic hand-wringing I'm seeing every day recently. Thank you.

[–]itz4mnaLiberal Tory [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not opposed to taking refuges at all, I think it would be disgraceful to ignore what's obviously a moral duty. What I am against is accepting refugees because the EU commands us to and letting the EU set the quota when everything the EU does is riddled with incompetence and bungling.

I think we are duty bound to take in as we can realistically support. This means considering the resources we have to transport them from Syria to the UK (if we accept refugees from other European countries we are only encouraging dangerous sea crossings), the resources we have to house them and the resources we have to give them a dignified quality of life. Since our capacity is limited we should also prioritise those at most risk of genocide, for example Yazidis and Christians who are at the most risk of falling victim to ISIS's crimes against humanity. We also have a duty to ensure our actions don't negatively affect existing communities too much either. Only the UK can accurately decide that number, it's neither the EU's competence or place.

[–]Gryff-Small-c communist. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

System is broken, dublin treaty insists the first EU countries refugees reach shouls take them in. I.e. sotuehrn european countries who cannot sustain and process such huge numbers in light of the Euro crisis. The poorest having to take on the poorer.

[–]SoyBeanExplosionLabour & Co-operative Party (Red & Blue, Market Socialism) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Personally I think I would feel much more comfortable with taking in large numbers of refugees if I felt that there was a robust mechanism for keeping track of them once they're here and returning them to their home country once the crisis has been resolved. I'm happy for us to provide shelter for them, and I'm happy for that to be at our financial expense too. What I'm uncomfortable with is the idea that once they're here many will not leave, either for legal reasons or because, for example, they have children here who then gain UK citizenship.

[–]rivalin [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

From looking at the BBC and guardian, you would've though it was about 80%.

Indeed, the night before the co-ordinated drowned little boy newspaper front covers, several posters on /r/ukpolitics said they found the whole thing to seem a little pre-planned, and what do you know the next day the Prime Minister was immediately on TV talking about how "public sentiment has shifted" (translation; the media sentiment has shifted). I don't see how an orchestrated media push counts as "public sentiment".

The same thing seems to be happening to an even more extreme degree in Germany, where they are heavily suppressing anyone disagreeing with what's going on, and bussing anti-racist activists around the country to act as "locals spontaneously welcoming the refugees" (with conveniently timed news crews from TV stations there to capture the moment, including the BBC)

[–]lost_send_berries [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Yep. Two or three days before the drowned boy, there were 70 people found suffocated in a truck. But apparently this picture "captured the hearts and minds of the nation".

[–]ArabicVoltaire [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

That's often the case with humans. Give them large numbers, like tens of thousands of civilians dying in a terror attack south of Duhok, Kurdistan, and they'll just shut it off. Give them one picture of one boy and attach a name and story to it, and they'll be much more sympathetic. The picture did capture the hearts and the minds of the nation because of the above effect.

[–]lost_send_berries [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Did it, though? The media went barmy over it, but I didn't see any evidence public opinion had changed. Did the image go viral on Facebook, for example?

[–]ZemnateBig Up The Republic Fam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My Twitter blew up about it with not a single person saying anything anti-refugee. #welcomerefugee was trending for a while

[–]SoyBeanExplosionLabour & Co-operative Party (Red & Blue, Market Socialism) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

At least four or five of my friends on Facebook have shared it and explicitly stated that anyone who posts anything "anti-refugee" will be unfriended.

[–]Liability42 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Agree. Media hyping boy's tragic death for sales and attention. Everyone irl has found it sad and upsetting but not to any unusual level.

Also I think we should help refugees - but BBC has been tremendously biased

[–]Tophattingson [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What you going to do now? Start up a /r/BBCinAction

And.... That sub already exists set to private.

Anyway. Find evidence before ranting like this.

[–]elapid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Personally I would be unable to answer that question.

To most people 10,000 seems like a lot of people but maybe in this situation it isn't.

Best to let the experts decide how many people we can afford to take with our current infrastructure.

[–]Man-aliveLib Dem 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a good thing we have these sources to balance out the crap the rest of the press come out with.

[–]randomerquery[S] 39ポイント40ポイント  (112子コメント)

Also 14% "admit none at all". 13% "admit lower numbers". 22% think 0 Syrian families should be allowed into Britain.

11% say they would take refugee into their home for 6 months.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/09/03/1-10-britons-refugee-home/

Current media pro-refugee sentiment is being driven by a small group.

[–]DukePPUk -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

11% say they would take refugee into their home for 6 months.

And from this data, 44% would be happy with a refugee family being housed in their street (37% wouldn't be).

But we'd only need 1.4% of households, taking 1 refugee each to house every refugee who entered the EU last year, or something like that. Which makes 11% a huge number.

[–]LinuxMageEEA [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is anyone else here getting the feeling that this is a pre-cursor to committing thousands of troops, planes and ships to all out war in Syria, aimed at toppling Assad AND removing ISIS, and bringing in our "own people" - ie, a Syrian government made up of people who will do as we ask them to.?

Be prepared for Gulf War III people.

[–]mapoftasmania [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Here, in a nutshell is why the London media bubble missed the Cameron landslide in the election. They are out of touch with the nation as whole.

[–]cragglerock93 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

TIL that 330 seats and 36.9% of the vote (less than 1% more than they got in 2010) is a landslide victory. 36% of people in this survey say we should take more refugees - therefore can we call this a universal endorsement from the British public.

[–]ArcticFox789somewhat right-wing [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

The election was not a landslide, this is true, but the second point is laughable, not only is 36% barely a third of the vote, but it's going up against 51%, which is a majority endorsment. There's an argument to be made there, sure, but saying things like that only cheapens it.

[–]cragglerock93 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I was being a bit tongue in cheek - I don't actually believe that 36% means big support. I was applying the same logic as calling the Tories election win a landslide to this poll. If 37% can be called a landslide then surely 36% can be called an endorsement.

[–]ArcticFox789somewhat right-wing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The Tories vote can't be called a landslide, and as the minority, 36% can't be called an endorsment either.

I know you were being a bit tongue in cheek, but it's things like that get picked up by people around here and thrown around as facts later on.

[–]DimReaper [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Blair's 1997 victory is commonly held as a landslide, and he only got 43% of the popular vote. Vote share is a stupid way of measuring electoral success in a FPTP system, it's all about share of the seats. I agree Cameron only won a narrow victory, but this argument some people make of "he only got 37% of the vote so how has he got any legitimacy" is asinine and shows a lack of understanding of our electoral system.

[–]cragglerock93 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I never for one second disputed the Conservatives' legitimacy - they won a majority outright and completely fairly. I'm disputing that it was a landslide victory.

[–]DutchOvenDistributor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Looking at these numbers, if they are accurate, it reminds me of 'secret Tories'. I imagine there's a good few people say they're for more refugees in public, so as not to seem racist or get abuse, but in reality their views are completely different.

[–]SpudgunnOops, I forgot migrants are human again. 24ポイント25ポイント  (11子コメント)

This is not good enough. Throw more emotive pictures at them!

[–]DukePPUk 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This fieldwork was done on 3-4 September, so some of those polled may have not encountered the whole "emotive pictures" thing.

[–]Northern_Tang 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

More appeal to emotion! Call everyone racists again!

[–]SpudgunnOops, I forgot migrants are human again. 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

[–]Pallas_Here was a Pallas_! When comes such another? 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

[–]LairHoundI eat kippers for breakfast! [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I'm guessing this is some BBC exec?

[–]Pallas_Here was a Pallas_! When comes such another? [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

It's Danny Cohen.

[–]LairHoundI eat kippers for breakfast! 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

We must save the poor refugees from the horrors of the wartorn wasteland of France!

[–]MLKane 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mean, I'm not surprised, just because the media has made this huge deal about two kids dying and getting their photo taken, doesn't mean people's opinions change.

That's what confused me about the whole thing, the media were acting like that photo had caused a sea change in public opinion and kept saying stuff like "that picture that touched us all so much" but it's like, that's just another photo of some dead children, not even particularly graphic, I've seen hundreds like it or worse, my opinions are unaffected.

(and this is speaking someone who does think we should be doing something to help refugees, but is not sold on this new plan to take "the most vulnerable" i.e. the least able to contribute to society. A photo of some dead children isn't going to change that.)

[–]DukePPUk 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

From the same polling data.

And how many, if any, Syrian refugee families do you think Britain should allow into this country?

  • 22%: none,
  • 22%: some,
  • 56%: don't know.

So 24% want the same number, 13% want fewer, 36% want more... and yet 56% don't know how many they want.

I wonder what the result would be if there was a question asking how many the UK is taking at the moment. Because without it, the question on how many Syrian refugees should be admitted compared to know is meaningless - other than the "none at all" category.

And this is why polling data can be misleading - or unhelpful.

Another interesting response:

How happy or unhappy would you be for a refugee family to be housed in a home on your street?

  • Total happy: 44%
  • Total unhappy: 37%

Suggesting that for some people they'd be fine with them being here, they just don't want them to come here.

And one final thought - if this poll was 'answered' in the same way as we elect MPs, the 36% who voted "yes" would win - not the 51% who voted against it.

[–]tempanought1 downCorbyn=1 year in the Gulag [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

And one final thought - if this poll was 'answered' in the same way as we elect MPs, the 36% who voted "yes" would win - not the 51% who voted against it.

That is so incredibly contrived.

[–]DukePPUk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep. But I thought it added context. The title (which isn't the article's) suggests that a majority don't want more refugees; which is true. However, of the options given, a plurality do.

Which is an example of why plurality voting can be a very bad - and unrepresentative - idea.

[–]ArcticFox789somewhat right-wing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How happy or unhappy would you be for a refugee family to be housed in a home on your street?

Be interesting to see the results of that question without the 'home on your street' part. I'd have no problem with someone on my road hosting some refugees, but I would be fairly unwilling to do so myself. Can't help but feel totally happy would be reduced.

[–]Crimsai [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

A legitimately well thought out and reasoned comment! Thank you for this, I appreciate it :)

[–]DukePPUk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thanks; I like numbers - and know enough about statistics and politics not to trust headline figures from polls. It's always worth looking at all the data and the context, and working out what it is the numbers actually say, rather than what people are claiming they say.

[–]DoctorLawrenceJacoby 13ポイント14ポイント  (24子コメント)

I wonder if this will stop the "impartial" BBC from constantly telling us that there has been a major shift in public opinion on this issue...

[–]Colcut [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Heard on the radio on a BBC station that EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED NOW just because a human died..

No everything hasn't changed. We haven't suddenly got billions more cash to put into our services to support more people (not just immigrants ). We haven't suddenly got more houses.

The media are in control of the sheep public and unfortunately the public are easily manipulated.

[–]Man-aliveLib Dem 11ポイント12ポイント  (22子コメント)

"BBC helps bring attention to desperate people in sickening show of bias!"

Do you also accuse them of bias when they report on starving people in Africa, or very sick children?

[–]DoctorLawrenceJacoby 12ポイント13ポイント  (21子コメント)

They aren't just reporting facts. They are demonstrably lying about British public opinion in a sick attempt to tell us what we should think.

[–]quiI 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah yes, i can imagine the heads of BBC HQ now. Sitting in a darkened room, all with cat's on their laps, stroking them slowly.

Exec 1: How can we make British people be sympathetic to other human beings?

Exec 2: Jesus 1, you're SICK

Exec 1: MUHAHAHA

Exec 3: We need some more MULTICULTURALISM. I HAVE SO MUCH WHITE-GUILT

Exec 1: Agreed, now let's get some British, honest, taxpayers in here to shine our shoes

Sickening

[–]metallicapples [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I get the joke but your sketch could be a satire on how opinions are transmitted inside media organisations. Journalists must understand and follow the leaders' opinions in order to be successful.

[–]Man-aliveLib Dem 2ポイント3ポイント  (16子コメント)

Ok, I will stick to the likes of The Sun, The Telegraph and The Mail for the truth, thanks.

[–]Pallas_Here was a Pallas_! When comes such another? 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Those papers aren't sworn to be impartial.

[–]Man-aliveLib Dem -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are the BBC impartial about?

The other day, the top post in this sub was people moaning about the BBC printing pictures of refugees in a bad situation. What the hell else are they supposed to do?

[–]LairHoundI eat kippers for breakfast! 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are those newspapers funded by the taxpayer?

[–]ox_ -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, but neither is the BBC.

[–]jbob125 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Semantics, you know full well it's publicly funded.

[–]Geezeh_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well the don't have to avoid being biasesd while the BBC does

[–]DoctorLawrenceJacoby 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are you not capable of defending the behaviour of the BBC without irrelevant diversions about privately owned publications that don't have any kind of obligation to political neutrality?

Can you justify them inventing trends in public opinion that turn out not to be supported by scientific polling evidence?

[–]KitchnerCentre Left [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ok, I will stick to the likes of The Sun, The Telegraph and The Mail for the truth, thanks.

I hope you're being sarcastic

[–]ox_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

hey are demonstrably lying about British public opinion in a sick attempt to tell us what we should think.

Specifically which lies are you referring to?

[–]Man-aliveLib Dem [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You will not get an answer, just downvotes. I have asked multiple times, because once I see it I am willing to reconsider my opinion. But surprise surprise - it's all gob.

[–]RtHonTheLordDevaneyEurosceptic Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank God, sense has prevailed. Just goes to show how disgustingly biased the media are.

[–]AtomicMonkeyTheFirst 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think we should take exactly the same number as Saudi Arabia have.

[–]the_undergroundman [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Yea because we should definitely model our social policy on a country which flogs its citizens in the street.

[–]AtomicMonkeyTheFirst [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Fucks sake do people even bother thinking about anything?

[–]joeflux [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Er, you're the one that brought up Saudi Arabia. You pretty much straw manned yourself.

[–]AtomicMonkeyTheFirst [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's not what a straw man is you muppet, I was making the point that SA have taken zero refugees despite being ideally placed to do so.

[–]joeflux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Er no - you made the point that America should do the same as SA, implying that we should follow SA's lead in some way.

[–]YoureASoldierBodie 3ポイント4ポイント  (37子コメント)

Well the media has been bombarding the public for about 5 years with this anti-immigration rhetoric, it'll take more than 5 days to reverse that damage. Let's not forget, most people are only anti-immigration because of what they hear in the media. They haven't had any interaction with a immigrant or a refugee, their jobs or benefits haven't been affected by immigrants.

[–]SpudgunnOops, I forgot migrants are human again. 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

The only way people can possibly have a different opinion to me is if they've been manipulated and brainwashed.

[–]FlappyBoredHardline Centrist 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Isn't this the exact argument you always use against anything you dislike constantly moaning about the 'brainwashed leftists'? Seems a little hypocritical of you to criticise others for doing it when you're one of the biggest users of that argument yourself.

[–]SpudgunnOops, I forgot migrants are human again. -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, you know where my post history is, go and back that ridiculous claim up.

[–]FlappyBoredHardline Centrist [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Sure:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MHOC/comments/3jit9f/early_day_motions_top_10_from_3rd_session/cuqmey5

The BBC's comedy is overtly left-wing and liberal, and it has a huge influence over the young in this country. In other words, the state brainwashes youngsters to be left-wing and socially liberal.

"If you're left wing and young and have a different opinion to me, it's because you've been manipulated and brainwashed by the big bad BBC comedies and the state"

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/3hyvwn/scottish_labour_deputy_leader_wants_referendum_on_trident/cubu3ln?context=3

Asking the question is stupid, you cannot possibly leave such a massive decision to people who have no idea what they're talking about and will probably be easily swayed by inane left-wing pacifist populism.

"The only possible way you could have a different opinion to me on Trident is to be brainwashed and manipulated by left-wing pacifist populism"

[–]blue_dicebut i'm here to tell you, everything gets worse forever [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

OH SHI

[–]leredditaccounts 10ポイント11ポイント  (23子コメント)

Their jobs, benefits, healthcare and housing are all affected. Maybe you should try coming to the south east of england, because that's where most immigrants go. And believe me, we are aware of what it's doing.

[–]KitchnerCentre Left [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

As someone who lives in London, you know where the most immigrants are compared to literally anywhere else in the UK, I'm fine with it.

[–]joeflux [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

As someone that white-flight'ed himself out of london, and whose home borough is now majority immigrant, I'm not fine with it at all.

[–]LairHoundI eat kippers for breakfast! [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

As someone who also lives in London, I'm not fine with it.

[–]KitchnerCentre Left [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well I'm "aware" of the "what [immigration] is doing" and I don't see a problem. In fact no one I work with and no one I am friends with sees a problem.

You want to know what has been effecting benefits? Government cuts to save a slim figure of money instead of closing down tax avoidance loopholes, instead of freezing pensions (which is by far our biggest expenditure in terms of benefits), all done to give tax cuts to the richest members of society.

You know what's effecting jobs? The fact the economy still hasn't recovered. From 2008-2010 the economy showed signs of recovery. Instead we've seen real earnings drop since 2010 because of government cuts and uncertainty about our economy. Instead of doing what all the recovered countries did (support growth) we decided to take money from the poorest who spend it all and give it to the richest, who put it off shore.

You know what is effecting housing? The fact that the government isn't serious about supporting real housing development. We need well over 200,000 houses a year built in order to sustain ourselves, but house building has never recovered from the peak in 2008. When a huge number of MPs are buy-to-let landlords and no government has the balls to build more houses as it will reduce house prices and rent, is it any wonder we have a housing crisis?

Immigration is nothing to do with any of these, and if you think it is you're grossly misinformed.

[–]tripwire7 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What would happen if a European government made a pledge to admit more war refugees, but only on a strictly temporary basis and in refugee camps administered by aid organizations? That way the refugees would be out of harm's way, but wouldn't be permanently immigrating or competing for local jobs.

[–]KyotoWolfOrange Book [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

strictly temporary basis

What defines a temporary basis? 66% of refugees have been in limbo for over 5 years, with an average length of exile of 20 years. Given you cannot expel a refugee there's no way to enforce a 'temporary basis'.

competing for local jobs

Refugees are not eligible to work in the country they are staying

[–]Elgin_McQueen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How many people had any idea how many we'd actually taken?

[–]chachakawooka [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Should Britain destabilise states and then ignore the consequences?

[–]nickingthettea party [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just shows how selfish everyone in this country thinks: "If I'm OK & my bank account is ok then that's all that matters"