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Massive amounts of hypocrisy concerning Breitbart's unethical conduct? (self.KotakuInAction)

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I was wondering, are the people bitching about GamerGate calling out Gawker-esque unethical conduct of Breitbart Texas actually a part of GamerGate? There's conspiracists talking about "false flagging" in a desperate attempt to get people to STOP calling out a publication doing something unethical.

Who the fuck falls for the idiotic idea that GamerGate SHOULDN'T call unethical conduct just because someone VAGUELY supportive of us does it? Who the fuck thinks of that and then thinks "yeah, that's a good idea"? Are those people shills, or just extremists of our own coming out of the woodwork who give no shit about ethics and just care about brown-nosing whoever says something nice about us?

EDIT: Not sure if shills are brigading the thread, if people are sick of the topic (which isn't valid, when people are trying to literally go against ethics, it has to be pointed out), or if there is actually a significant amount of idiots who are against the idea of ethical journalism. Either way, it's very disappointing how hypocritical some people are.

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[–]vivianjamesplay 11ポイント12ポイント  (23子コメント)

We need one more thread about this.

[–]ineedanacct 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

The breitbart thread got 1k+ upvotes. You're crying about a couple random posts disagreeing.

/thread (you wonder why you're sitting at 0 points)

Edit: to answer your question, yes it was a couple of retarded extremists who occasionally say things like "fuck PR" when people with integrity refuse to be douchebags.

[–]todiwan[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

You might be right. I think it's better to overreact and make sure shit gets done while potentially being wrong, than to ignore it. Hopefully you're right.

[–]FSMhelpusall 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's the SJW way. Mob first, ask questions later? No thanks.

[–]todiwan[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

How can one person mob anything? U wot.

[–]FSMhelpusall 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're here attempting to incite one. I am not interested in budding Witchfinder Generals.

[–]todiwan[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

So GamerGate is a mob because it points out unethical journalism, got it.

[–]FSMhelpusall 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're the one who said you're fine with going overboard if you're doing it with good intent. Trust but verify, what is? Let's have us a lynching!

[–]todiwan[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Going overboard" was, by you, defined as making a thread pointing out the hypocrisy. I'm totally fine with going overboard, since that was what you referred to as going overboard. It has no negative consequences and can potentially have positive ones.

[–]centrum5555 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

actually while i would agree that this article was not ethical, the fuss about it is a bit strange. Most of the people on reddit already did condem the article.

If we look at something similar done by another outlet we usually have one thread condem it and move on. (If we have a thread at all)

So yes i understand that people think there is false flagging and yes i understand that people are sick of the topic. and given your own comments like

extremists of our own coming out of the woodwork

i also see why people might think someone wants to split GG.

In conclusion you are right it is not an ethical conduct. but i think the fuss is way out of proportion. especially since (if we are not driven to the brink of madness i.e. sam biddle, we usually dont go after mainstream outlets, because the gain does not warrant the expenditure)

[–]SomeReditor38641 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Most the people arguing that we shouldn't be concerned with it seem to be coming from the position that it's ethics in journalism but not ethics in game journalism.

I don't think that spotlighting a nobody in the media is ethical and a journalist at a sister outlet singing our praises won't change that. BUT there's a reasonable argument to be made that the more topic creep we have the more diluted out attentions will be. Ethics in all journalism is a worthwhile cause but a fight on a magnitude we're probably not prepared for.

[–]Sakai88 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

A fair point, but then where were all those people when it was about Gawker?

[–]SomeReditor38641 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a tougher argument to make for Gawker since they own a gaming site and have had their horns locked with ours for over a year now. Seeing how quickly editors and writers turned on one another gave a bit of insight into the organizations internal issues too.

It IS a can of worms though. Dealing with Kotaku and Polygon's non-gaming articles is probably reasonable but if we extended it to all of Gawker we'd need more subs just to hold all the Jezebel articles.

[–]Glorious_PC_Gamer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It makes sense though, because BB has been one of the very few platforms to cover GG. That makes them tangentially associated with us, and relevant to discussion indirectly.

[–]todiwan[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Spotlighting a nobody isn't unethical, it's just not good journalism - doxing and going THAT far with it isn't ethical, though.

And we've been fighting against corruption in ALL journalism for a while now. We can focus on both, we already do.

[–]Glorious_PC_Gamer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on the intent of the spotlighting and how it's done. The SPJ guidelines goes over this.

[–]SomeReditor38641 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can mostly agree with that. Still I think they should have reached out to her for comment before republishing a tweet. I admit that sounds strange to say. The entire platform is designed with no context republishing as a core feature. Is embedding it in an article with comment fundamentally different from a retweet? Not sure myself. This stuff was easier with print media.

[–]boommicfucker 2ポイント3ポイント  (14子コメント)

I've downvoted this thread despite agreeing about the ethics bit. Why? Because, ultimately, Breitbart didn't write about video games and that's what GG is mostly about.

You got to understand that politics are a very touchy subject and that GG has members from all sides of the spectrum. Right now some of the more conservative users, especially from America I assume since the whole kerfuffle is about American politics, seem to feel like some of the more left ones are overstepping a border by complaining about a Breitbart article that has nothing to do with GG whatsoever. I imagine they also agree with at least some of the sentiments in that article. I might be wrong about their reasons but the outcome is the same: not welcome, split, betrayal, ...

There is no point on making any more topics on the subject. Let that damned horse die in peace so that we can focus on what we're actually here for again.

[–]todiwan[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (13子コメント)

If there's anything that's going to turn me against being pro-GG and into a neutral, it's going to be the idea that people are fucking hypocrites who can call out Gawker for the exact same thing, while supporting Breitbart for doing it 1) to an even less important person for WHAT THEY SAID ON TWITTER, and 2) doxing them in the article.

If a right-winger has so little integrity that they feel "victimised" or whatever just because someone is giving them the same treatment as we give to SJWs when they act unethical, then I have no respect for them in the first place.

You know what THAT'S going to do? It's going to make me think less of right-wingers affiliated with GamerGate. And that's exactly what's happening with the response to this thread. The people hypocritically bitching about being an ethics watchdog SUCCEEDED in creating a divide. Not the ones pointing out unethical conduct. The ones bitching about GamerGate being GamerGate.

[–]boommicfucker 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Let's all calm the fuck down instead of deciding to die on some hill, okay? It takes more than one swallow to make a summer - as long as there isn't constant backlash against criticizing right-wing (or any affiliation) media for bad behavior in a "it's okay when they do it!" fashion I see no real problem, especially since we absolutely did talk about that Breitbart article. A lot in fact.

So please, let's keep being self-critical but not self-destructive.

[–]todiwan[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

as long as there isn't constant backlash against criticizing right-wing (or any affiliation) media for bad behavior in a "it's okay when they do it!"

The way I see it is that this is the start of that exact thing. That's why it's extremely important to point out that bullshit now so it doesn't grow and start discrediting us and destroying all the legitimacy we've gained.

Imagine if this happened before SPJ Airplay? We would have been FUCKED, and rightfully so.

You're right about the fact that we did talk about the Breitbart article, but when I see people literally accusing people who upvoted that as being shills just for calling unethical conduct, it's a sign that something is rotten in KIA. 99% of the time, people accusing others of being shills ARE shills.

[–]boommicfucker 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Look, I get your point but I think you're fucking the jumping gun a bit here. I would 100% agree if the article was directly relevant to GG and resulted in the same reaction, but it isn't.

And, on a personal note (maybe you can relate): I fucking hated it when it turned out that GG had to fight pretty much left-leaning outlets only, some of which I used to like quite a bit (Guardian). All those evil right wingers suddenly were, well, right! Of course the knife in the back from the game journos hurt the most but the shitfest left-leaning MSM coverage is was aggravating. Now I've just come to accept it. Stages of grief, if you must. I'm not saying that that's actually the reason there's backlash (as in, this is "their" anger phase), just that I would have probably written similarly harsh comments from the other side of the left-right spectrum if an article like that was posted on KiA and I still believed that those outlets were pretty awesome.

[–]todiwan[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sure, I might be jumping the gun. If I'm wrong, nothing happens. If I'm right, a massive crisis is averted.

I don't think the right-wingers turned out to be right, they just turned out not to be incorrect about ONE SINGLE THING - that there is a problem with unethical journalism on the left. I never really trusted the news anyway.

[–]boommicfucker 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, I might be jumping the gun. If I'm wrong, nothing happens.

Except a general feeling of unease and witch huntieness.

I don't think the right-wingers turned out to be right, they just turned out not to be incorrect about ONE SINGLE THING - that there is a problem with unethical journalism on the left.

That's what I meant. I obviously didn't just flip opinions on all other things.

[–]IE_5 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are deliberately drama-mongering. You know exactly that this is a Sub about GamerGate and not about whining about Fox News and Breitbart. I'm sure there are plenty of them out there.

There are also plenty of ethical violations in general media.

Just these past few weeks for instance the BBC tried to sensationalize the refugee crisis by taking shit out of context, for instance in this one they are trying to say that a woman got on the tracks after a scuffle with police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_CdmhvRMI

While this was anything but the case and it was a refugee throwing her on the tracks to try and get some international press attention: https://vid.me/nHCc/bbc-lying-about-hungarian-police-as-an-immigrant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9GH5_ssn9U

The Guardian also manipulative, but less so: http://36.media.tumblr.com/75a18dbee1370720d4cf25f1b6a0a5f3/tumblr_nu58vxGhJA1rxmn3vo1_1280.png

And there's the entire deal with the press having a hate-boner for Russia and deliberately making shit up: http://www.rt.com/news/313653-russia-ukraine-soldiers-fake-forbes/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNOC_kI3jVM

Or see this shit about the Ukrainian media broadcasting an ARMA 2 Mod as internal war propaganda (and the Mod creator apparently sued them), this would even be vaguely related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww-DhuTVdPM

You know why I don't bring this shit here? Because it has absolutely nothing to do with this Sub or its goals and the only reason people brought up some entirely unrelated political Breitbart article in the first place is to try and drive a wedge between GG and its supporters (Milo, Allum) and create a division with people like you that are too retarded to get this before the srhbutts article hits.

Get your shit together. We are here because we wanted to fix gaming journalism, if you want to fix political journalism then good luck, but I think it's going to be a long way for you and is way outside the scope of GG.

[–]todiwan[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You know why I don't bring this shit here?

Because you don't feel like it, while others who do feel like it, bring the same stuff to the sub.

the only reason people brought up some entirely unrelated political Breitbart article in the first place is to try and drive a wedge between GG and its supporters (Milo, Allum)

Take off your tinfoil hat, dear. Maybe people just aren't biased conspiracy theorists as you are, and actually want to avoid excusing publications when they do unethical shit just because a journalist in another branch of their company is with us (in fact, if they quit over this, they would have been worthless, so it's a win/win). The fact that they're allied with us is the very reason why it's important to not let them get away with shit.

We fixed most of gaming journalism, we are now an ethical journalism watchdog. The fact that you haven't noticed that makes me doubt your involvement with GG.

[–]niiuor 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

If there's anything that's going to turn me against being pro-GG and into a neutral,

feel free to piss off, noboby cares.

[–]todiwan[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

redditor for 17 minutes

[–]niiuor [score hidden] 17 minutes ago

You can't be any more obvious, hahaha.

[–]BundleBee 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Feel free to piss off, nobody cares.

There I said it and even spelled it correctly.

[–]Glorious_PC_Gamer -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Actually, you typed it. : )

[–]BundleBee 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ctrl+V, delete, d. Hardly typing. Quit stalking me you cishetero transphobe shitlord!

[–]Glorious_PC_Gamer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That requires typing, pissbaby ; )

[–]Revan232 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought it was just weekend drama?

[–]Inuma -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's always weekend drama...

[–]adamantjourney 0ポイント1ポイント  (22子コメント)

So, you gonna email the advertisers on Breitbart or what?

"Calling out" doesn't work. VG journos have been doing it for years. Look where we're at today.

If GG were to spend all its time calling out every instance of unethical journalism, there wouldn't be any left to actually change things.

[–]todiwan[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (21子コメント)

So... KIA should have no posts that call out publications for unethical conduct, is what you're saying.

You did visit KIA before this thread, right?

EDIT: Oh, and e-mailing their advertisers actually isn't a bad idea, but I should probably not waste my time on them when Gawker is on its last legs. Brietbart is lower priority, and isn't consistently unethical (just consistently shit) enough to do that.

[–]adamantjourney -2ポイント-1ポイント  (20子コメント)

I'm saying it doesn't work. You calling out Breitbart is as pointless as others calling out The Mary Sue.

[–]todiwan[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (19子コメント)

The purpose is to raise awareness, and that purpose is fulfilled by definition. Thus, it does work.

[–]adamantjourney 0ポイント1ポイント  (18子コメント)

I thought the purpose was to make the VG media follow some ethical guidelines.

[–]todiwan[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (17子コメント)

That's the result of raising awareness about how shit a publication is (if they care - if not, that's Gawker).

[–]adamantjourney -1ポイント0ポイント  (16子コメント)

VG journos and gamers have been raising awareness about AAA companies shitty practices for years. EA is still in business.

What results?

[–]todiwan[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (15子コメント)

U wot? If we had good journalists who weren't corrupt, they WOULD have been raising awareness of it. But that's not the case.

[–]adamantjourney -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

What does being corrupt have to do with caling out AAA companies?

Leigh Alexander wrote this

[–]Glorious_PC_Gamer 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because AAA doesn't leave evidence trails for us to follow. It's a behind the scenes thing that has NDA and legal documents forbidding discussion or face fines or possibly jail time.

It's up to the journalists who are approached by AAA to deny the practices and tell us about it. Otherwise, there is no evidence, and nothing we can do about it. We can't boycott or email advertisers for what we don't know. We can only speculate, like in the case of Konami and MGS5.

It shouldn't be this hard for you to figure this out.

[–]todiwan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's post is a shitty diversion to try to "criticise" GamerGate in a way that, to an uneducated layman, appears as a good argument. What about it?

The journalists don't call out AAA as they ought to - they talk about imaginary sexism and racism.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this post:

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]Radspakr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slow news day at KIA it seems...

[–]sp8der 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we focus on burning our enemies to the ground before we focus fire on each other? I'm fine with the idea that siding with GG gives you a TEMPORARY pass until SocJus is pulled out of gaming by the root. We are not the world's goddamn watchdog. We are primarily about gaming. Being too scattershot was one of the things that brought down OWS.

[–]Sinistar_Lives 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

whats disappointing is people blaming their dupe threads being downvoted on 'shills'

[–]urection [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it's pretty hilarious that some posters in KIA equate Gawker's outing of a closeted gay man with Breitbart's mere reposting of someone's public tweets

I dunno why BB bothered but anyone who claims that's on the same tier of violation as outing someone against their will - an exec at a rival publication no less - is willfully ignorant and likely pushing an ant-gamergate agenda

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (32子コメント)

I was wondering, are the people bitching about GamerGate calling out Gawker-esque unethical conduct of Breitbart Texas

I don't think you know what that word means.

There's conspiracists talking about "false flagging" in a desperate attempt to get people to STOP calling out a publication doing something unethical.

One, there is nothing unethical about outing a political extremist, even if it's a landwhperson with 20 followers. It's a crappy thing to do, but it's not unethical. Secondly, the people being called out where those trying to use this as a way to denounce Breitbart as a whole.

Yes, people who try to sow division and infighting should be called out.

Who the fuck falls for the idiotic idea that GamerGate SHOULDN'T call unethical conduct just because someone VAGUELY supportive of us does it?

Milo is "vaguely" supportive of us?

[–]SomeReditor38641 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

One, there is nothing unethical about outing a political extremist, even if it's a landwhperson with 20 followers. It's a crappy thing to do, but it's not unethical.

Posting a single tweet devoid of context without approaching the individual for comment crosses that line. If they'd posted the tweet and been able to actually say something about that woman's politics it would be different.

Doesn't republishing one tweet and drawing connections to a hashtag because they once posted in it remind you of a certain someone's playbook?

[–]BundleBee -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you have "creepy perv eyes", hows that for context.

[–]Sakai88 1ポイント2ポイント  (27子コメント)

It's a crappy thing to do, but it's not unethical.

"The article in question violated several issues with the SPJ and the NUJ (as I learned both), which I’ll be happy to write another article about if someone would like a breakdown of that. But for the most part it broke many of the no harm clauses of the ethics codes that journalists are meant to adhere to. These are probably some of the most important clauses in the code of ethics because journalism is a source of power and wielding that power to possibly harm is incredibly awful.

Now some may say that harming someone who is awful themselves doesn’t matter. They deserve it. But that’s the point: No. They don’t. Someone who is a damnable shithead is just as protected by the ethics policies as someone who is good and kind. There is no changing the rules just because someone is a jerk. If a man who regularly says racist things is mugged then he gets the same protection under the law that someone who isn’t racist.

If someone beat up someone in the Westboro Baptist Church then they get the same treatment as anyone who is against the church. It doesn’t matter if you agree with them. That’s how laws work. And really, that’s how ethics work. Because ethics don’t go away just because that person is an asshat.

Rules apply to either all people or to no people. And when GamerGate stands up and says: Yeah this is kind of shitty behaviour, even if some of their writers have supported us, that is amazing. That is saying that you see that ethics don’t just stop being ethics because you don’t like someone."

https://medium.com/@Slyly_Mirabelle/gamergate-and-ethics-you-re-on-the-right-track-feeccc3d1cd6

[–]TheDevilWins 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

/!\ ATTENTION: /u/Sakai88 is a troll /!\

This is the guy who complained about people not liking TYT and dismissing them on face value, ignore this troll. He's got a stick in his ass regarding politics and is continuing to push his agenda.

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

In all honesty, he just seems very left-wing to me. Bordering on SJW. It seems he argued that the Confederate flag is racist with a Young Turks video, and people pointed out to him that the program was named after a genocidal regime. Both claims happen to be correct. This might have been one of the few times where Cenk was actually correct.

He might go overboard at times, but I'm glad to have people like him here though.

[–]Sakai88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you disagreed on something i said and you're calling me a troll? What? Do i have to approve it with you first, to make sure it's kosher?

[–]todiwan[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Fyi, doing what you're doing more than once or twice is grounds for a site-wide ban (not to mention a KIA ban).

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

False. There's a guy who's been stalking me for months, and he hasn't been banned yet.

[–]todiwan[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Send a mod mail. Two people did that to me for posting something they disagree with, calling me a "shill" and whatnot, and a modmail basically assured me that it's a pretty serious site-wide rule violation.

I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen again with how many Breitbart shills rabidly try to defend them.

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's mostly on other subs. But it's OK - he makes himself look like a total fool.

[–]TheDevilWins 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Please elaborate. His posts were here in KiA and it is on topic.

[–]todiwan[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's nothing to elaborate, I'm just informing you that following someone around and accusing them of shit is a (globally) bannable offense.

[–]TheDevilWins 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Negative, this guy was in another thread earlier today arguing about the same bullshit. Remembering a username and having looked at their posting history doesn't mean jack shit. You can get your panties in a twist about it all you like, but it doesn't mean anything. I'm not "following" anyone.

There has been an steep incline of users looking to push a political agenda here in the past few days and I am keeping my eyes open for them and I have zero hangups with sharing that information. The mods have noticed these users too.

[–]Sakai88 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not "following" anyone.

I hope you're not. Because i'm not so keen on people accusing me of trolling simply because i dared to express my opinion on something.

[–]TheDevilWins 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most certainly not, I would be bored to tears.

[–]todiwan[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wasn't saying you were following. I checked your post history and you weren't. I'm saying that if you do it, don't be surprised if you get a global ban.

I won't bring up how doing what you're doing makes you lose credibility and does the opposite to the person you're trying to attack. 99% of the time, people who call people shills ARE shills.

[–]Anadis -3ポイント-2ポイント  (13子コメント)

Rules apply to either all people or to no people.

More like rules only apply unless the person is a "notable figure". Get off your high horse please. You don't get to be the authority on what counts as a "notable figure".

[–]Sakai88 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

What?

[–]Anadis 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

KIA didn't seem to have any problems when Breitbart did the same thing to people like Arthur Chu, Leigh Alexander, Randi Harper, Brianna Wu, Jonathan Mcintosh, Anita Sarkeesian...

[–]Sakai88 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I had a lot of problems with that. Digging through Harper's personal life that has no relevance to todays situation is just as unethical.

[–]Anadis 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You'd be in the minority then.

[–]Wydi -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Makes me wonder whether we should create our own ethics guidelines/rules of conduct for the sake of some consistency..

[–]Sakai88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fine by me. :)

[–]todiwan[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Except every single one of those people are public figures who tried to call us out while pretending to be saints. What Breitbart did with them was exposing them for who they are and showing that they are, in fact, frauds.

Doxing a random unknown person who posted something you disagree with (regardless of how awful it is) is incredibly stupid. Not only does it give that person legitimacy, but it's unethical.

[–]Anadis 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I see. So everything Breitbart does is fine as long as it's against someone you consider a "public figure"? The problem isn't the tactic, but the target?

Sounds to me like you're the one who needs to stop pretending to be an ethics saint. If you want to call out Breitbart for doxxing, feel free. But if you want to start engaging in SJW logic, don't expect any support.

[–]todiwan[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You realise that you're the only person I've seen that DOESN'T support exposing frauds as frauds, right? Like, pretty much everyone realises that it's completely valid.

The tactic that is unethical is doxing. Calling out a nobody is shitty journalism but it's not unethical. Calling out a public figure is neither of those. Doxing either is unethical.

[–]Anadis 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Good, now keep that argument consistent and don't bring in the "public figure" nonsense.

[–]todiwan[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wat. The public figure thing is unrelated to how ETHICAL it is, it's related to how relevant it is as news (thus, whether it's good journalism). My argument is entirely consistent.

[–]BundleBee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't give a shit, if stupid people say stupid shit under their real name it's their own god damn problem. Enough with this crap.

[–]Anadis 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Observe KIA, this is an example of someone with an unrelated political agenda trying to distract your movement. Don't be surprised if in the future we have a wave of shills shrieking "We need to drop Milo because he's against gay marriage!"

[–]Romney2008button masher -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait...you mean Milo is the one that has the unrelated political agenda who's trying to distract our movement, right?

[–]slimthigh 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're in this thread like clockwork.

Milo is the one that has the unrelated political agenda

Except his "political agenda" overlaps perfectly with ours. I've been here since before it even got it's current name and I can tell you. It's people like YOU who want to tug the whole thing closer to YOUR side of the political aisle.

[–]phantomtag3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent work by the mod team to allow this off topic nonsense to fester into what it has now become

[–]BlockPuppetCuck of /r/Polygon & /r/KiAPolitics -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

Breitbart - Type of site - Politics, conservative news and opinion

Not related to videogames. Unless the accusations are against the articles that are about GG, then it's not our fight on KiA.

[–]Wydi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Current "hot" threads not related to gaming or GG either:

[Humor] How to end all Twitter harassment with one click.

"Why Is Science So Straight?" or more aptly titled "Why doesn't STEM care about how special I am?"

Large Tech Youtuber (LinusTechTips) Accused of Paid Reviews.

[Ethics] The Daily Mail Sues Gawker for Libel over Plaguarism claims

Top/Month threads:

/u/spez all but confirms that SRS is an exception to the rules and will not be banned.

Self-awareness reaches ZERO. Gawker says BLM shouldn't be blamed for the actions of a few and that it is not a formal group with entry requirements!

[Censorship] Reddit is now banning BDSM related subreddits, exactly like people feared they would.

Anne Rice Thread in [r/books] deleted for making sjws look bad.

Cracked.com writes yet another "we need moar diversity in tech" article. Latino reader responds brilliantly.

I'll fight on your behalf.

[Drama] Rick & Morty Creator is also sick of your SJW shit. Another reason to love the best cartoon on television!

Just to put that into perspective.

[–]todiwan[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, I'm not buying that shit. It's related to journalism. If it was Gawker, people would be all over it. Hell, people WERE all over it when that guy was outed. The hypocrisy is real.

[–]BlockPuppetCuck of /r/Polygon & /r/KiAPolitics 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

If you want to try and take politics out of political journalism, best of luck to you. Do it outside of KiA. The mods should have deleted the 'outing' Gawker threads too (unless there was a demonstrable link to gaming or GG).

[–]SomeReditor38641 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree on the single issue group bit but think that Gawker going after that CFO was a reasonable topic. Especially the internal drama that came afterwards. It highlighted that Kotaku's ethical failings weren't localized to them but rampant throughout the organization. It brought up some interesting issues in terms of editorial firewalls.

If you really wanted to spin it you could even call Wired, Ars, and Reddit gaming sites and say Gawker was attacking their owner's CFO unethically.

[–]BlockPuppetCuck of /r/Polygon & /r/KiAPolitics 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There we go, that's all I want with threads: a tangible link to gaming.

[–]Glorious_PC_Gamer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The link is Gawker owns Kotaku. Kotaku is under the Gawker banner and ultimately, financially tied to the Gawker umbrella.