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[–]The_King_of_Pants 112ポイント113ポイント  (5子コメント)

Agree, AGGro has NEVER, en masse, complemented GamerGate on a position before, the timing of this posting and the number of new faces should be enough of a clue that something is fucking up.

AGGro/Revolt are frantically trying to drive a wedge between Milo and GamerGate before the Nyberg article drops.

This isn't necessarily the coordinated work of a single entity, but those with an axe to grind with GamerGate appear to be glomming on to this post across all social media platforms. Lots of aged but unused accounts, eggs, brand new accounts on Reddt and Twitter comming out of the wood woodwork .

[–]New707 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

High jack for visibility. I literally just Pm'ed Milo on Twitter and he said he's over it. not posting screenie because it was a pm.

let's stop talking about it and move on to more inportant things. i suppose weekend drama really is a tradition.

[–]pokedachi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just have to look at the sheer amount of voting going on in that thread. It's absolutely insane Even the biggest GG news doesn't get attention like that thread has gotten. It's obviously become propaganda of sorts.

The thread was created by someone randomly, but then the powers that be groomed and manipulated the reaction and response, and now they are trying to spread it all over social media now.

[–]Error774 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh man if only our resident ggrevolt shitlord /u/WulfgarVHeltzer would drop into this thread to defend the innocence of ggrevolt...

/sarcasm

[–]bananaramarang 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree the whole thing is suspicious, I was reading posts that claim exposing a sexual predator of children we the equivalent of twitter mobbing someone for an off-beat joke. It is not unethical to expose the rank hypocrisy of a person claiming the moral high ground, and never unethical if you're exposing a predator. The logic of the critics of the Texas article is fundamentally collectivist guilt by association, which wouldn't seem to be particularly liberal.

edit:wizard spells

[–]tonepolicesuck 122ポイント123ポイント  (50子コメント)

Yeah this is a false flag right before the Nyberg expose. They posted a random political article that has nothing to do with gaming and labeled it ethics late at night.

[–]ezaruz 31ポイント32ポイント  (31子コメント)

And a thousand idiots upvoted it, false flag or not.

Great job KiA.

[–]EzraTwitch[S] 65ポイント66ポイント  (11子コメント)

You are under the false assumption that it was upvoted by people who participated in KIA, it could just as easily be people from SRD (we have one of their members here now) or aGG in an effort to cause in fighting. Also reiterating for those who can't read. NOT conspiracy, shared ideology.

[–]mbnhedger 47ポイント48ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thing i notice here with KiA is that you see the same names pop up in conversations. Like you have maybe 20-25 people who make posts then maybe another 100 or so who really comment. And its the same "faces" in the popular posts.

But today, you get a hand full of posts from names ive never seen before, you check their post history and they have dozens of comments in the same three threads, and you get this little mini circle jerk leading to this nonsense.

I stopped taking publications as a whole and started paying attention to individual writers weeks ago.

[–]Iconochasm 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

The term you want is 'prospiracy'. When something looks kinda like a conspiracy, but is actually just commonly aligned incentives.

[–]ezaruz 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

[–]EzraTwitch[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's fair, but we have been targeted before using these tactics, both by individuals, and by the concerted efforts of PR firms. It would be foolish to forget that.

[–]ezaruz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it would be foolish, but hiding behind "false flag" isn't good either, gotta be accountable.

I don't think it was 1000+ third party trolls or gazelles who upvoted the thread.

[–]tinkertoy78 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

This. A few may have started the upvoting but herd mentality took care of the bulk of it.

That is also why our mantra, 'Trust but verify', needs to be said over and over again.

[–]ezaruz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I certainly wasn't expecting so many people to defend this thread tooth and nail.

I m almost getting the point Hatman was making when he was trying to introduce more rules.

[–]sodiummuffin 41ポイント42ポイント  (9子コメント)

KIA upvotes dumb shit on a regular basis, it's just a fundamental part of how Reddit works. Like that time it upvoted misinformation about TB because it came attached to a feelgood sentiment, as I pointed out later.

A tabloidy/sensationalist article definitely isn't comparable to the Gawker blackmail/unverified/outing article that OP compared it to and it isn't really the same as a clearcut ethical violation. But "we should hold our own accountable" is such a popular feelgood sentiment that people upvote anyway, even if the actual basis is pretty tenuous. At the same time a clearcut ethical violation from videogame journalists gets significantly less upvotes and comments. Symbolic gestures you can put in the title intrinsically attracts more attention than the day-to-day work of "videogame journalists shilling their friends again", that's just the way reddit works.

[–]ezaruz 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yeah, it happens and will keep on happening. The wheel doesn't stop spinning.

I'd like to know since when those people who upvoted are following gamergate.

I was fine with some PR faggotry, but still saw the merits of IA's pov.

[–]TheMindUnfetteredGrand Poobah of GamerGate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to know since when those people who upvoted are following gamergate.

Since the start.

[–]Wydi -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'd like to know since when those people who upvoted are following gamergate.

About half a year actively, though I've known and read about it pretty much since the beginning.

My turn now: Why am I an idiot?

[–]ezaruz 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

What purpose did this thread serve? What was it trying to achieve?

Everyone knows Breitbart is mostly shit, especially Breitbart US. The story and the guy who wrote it had no involvement with gaming or gamergate, hell it wasn't even related to extended SJW topics.

That leaves us with "Look at how ethical we are, we too know Breitbart is shit" "We're good boys too, give us some chicken tendies".

Milo wasn't connected to the story, hell he's working at Breitbart london.

But all of this is irrelevant, because we could get some feel good PR circlejerk faggotry.

So yeah, upvoting this thread was idiotic.

[–]Wydi -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

What purpose did this thread serve?

Simple: Pointing out bad journalism, like we often do.

Did you upvote any of the Gawker threads about their gay outing? It was pretty much the same (including the fact that we all know how shitty Gawker is), yet I didn't see a single complaint about it. Instead, we wrote mails to their advertisers. Nothing idiotic about it.

It was just a single thread, one like many others. So what makes you so angry about this particular one?

[–]ezaruz 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Simple: Pointing out bad journalism, like we often do.

Are we the watchdogs of all things media?

It's pretty safe to say that gawker is way more related to gamergate than breitbart is.

As far as I know Breitbart doesn't own an affiliated gaming site sharing a common culture.

The gay outing story had mainstream exposure, some guy posting a shitty article on breitbart that would be forgotten within a few days tops did not.

But you're right, it's kind of similar, and I didn't like both of them, so I did not upvote any of them (not that it mattered) at least for gawker it had the merit of us dancing over them fucking up, instead of as I said, feel good PR faggotry.

So what makes you so angry about this particular one?

Well you got me now, I better stop posting now that it has been established beyond doubt that I m buttmad about Breitbart being finally outed as shit.

[–]Wydi 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are we the watchdogs of all things media?

If enough people care about it, why not?

It's pretty safe to say that gawker is way more related to gamergate than breitbart is.

Arguable. Gawker has Kotaku, but Breitbart had quite number of articles directly related to GG, probably more than any other media site. And they have Milo, of course. I'd say that both qualify.

The gay outing story had mainstream exposure, some guy posting a shitty article on breitbart that would be forgotten within a few days tops did not.

So? That's an entirely arbitrary distinction as it doesn't exempt Breitbart from any critique. This is not a privat blog or some random person venting on Tumblr. But don't worry. It will still be forgotten soon. Unless more of these complaint threads keep popping up.

Well you got me now, I better stop posting now that it has been established beyond doubt that I m buttmad about Breitbart being finally outed as shit.

Careful now. Too much salt raises your blood pressure.

[–]ezaruz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If enough people care about it, why not?

Because it's gamergate. But you're right, if enough people care about it, KiA isn't a gamergate sub anymore.

Arguable. Gawker has Kotaku, but Breitbart had quite number of articles directly related to GG, probably more than any other media site.

Yeah, Milo covered us, that's it, it's hardly arguable what is more connected to gaming, Milo certainly isn't, he's connected to gg. He's not video game press or has an influence on the vidya press, Breitbart isn't Milo, especially the US divisions.

We came after gawker for what they did (Sam Biddle, Kotaku and everything you're probably familiar with). Breitbart isn't a target, it's irrelevant. I only care about Milo's articles, like most people around here.

Careful now. Too much salt raises your blood pressure.

Thank you for your concerns, but I take everything with a pound of salt.

[–]MonkahBoyL/A-CIWCA-BMGG-SC-RLC 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But GamerGate isn't about ethics, it's about harassing SJWs! /s

[–]Brutus_and_Balzaak 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's nothing wrong with scrutiny, and there was no reason to think there was 'true belief' behind something that appeared at face value as clickbait witch-hunting. It was hard to swallow that they thought this nobody was the person to hold up accountable for a bunch of crazy shit going on in America right now, that's all. Milo, to his credit, put it into some perspective.

We are reactionary as fuck and we have a healthy mistrust of media in general. Maybe that rubs people up the wrong way that think highly of us sometimes, but fucking boo-hoo, I care not for fee-fees.

[–]plasmacutter 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

KiA upvoted it because using a media outlet to dogpile a single non-public figure is shitty behavior no matter who does it, and comes straight out of the SJW playbook.

The fact people are starting to abuse this outside of SJW circles should not be cause to celebrate, it should be cause for major concern. We shouldn't have peoples' political opinions becoming the basis for where they are allowed to speak, work, or live.

When that happens, you end up with a balkanization of society which inevitably leads to civil war.

[–]reversememe 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

non-public figure

Right, because publishing articles on The Mary Sue and tweeting non-stop about a high profile topic makes you "non public".

[–]enemyfallout 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Someone can Tweet about anything as much as they want that doesn't make them a public figure.

[–]ezaruz 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

As I said elsewhere, are we the watch dogs of all things media? People have been behaving this way since way before the Internet existed.

Our battles are gaming press and culture war.

If you want to save the entire world, you're welcome to do it someplace else.

Nobody needs to be redpilled about Breitbart, same can't be said about Kotaku and Polygon.

[–]plasmacutter 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's unethical journalism of the same tactics used to smear gamers and get people like Tim Hunt fired.

We often have articles from left-wing sources on here, because at this moment the leftist partisans are in a position to push their PR advantage into insanity, but when the right is not immune to this (they were like this in 2005 after bush was elected a second time) and it never hurts to point it out.

Milo is not Breitbart, Breitbart is not Milo.

[–]kamon123 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

We had threadsfor months about us becoming a general watchdog group and the majority agreeing so I believe so.

[–]ezaruz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those were polls and discussions about what KiA should cover, from ethics to culture wars against identity politics (extended SJW content).

I was on the game press ethics+everything SJW relevant to gamergate (culture wars), and IIRC most people were on this side too.

[–]JosephND 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm .r/outoftheloop on this whole false flag/milo front. Is there a tl;dr: or a YT link to catch me up?

[–]poiumty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3jps46/ethics_breitbart_pulls_a_gawker_publically_shames/

Milo works for Breitbart and he's pissed at us because we criticized his publication. Apparently this is now a conspiracy to poison the well before his massive article on Sarah Nyberg.

There, now you're in the loop again.

[–]Wydi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They posted a random political article that has nothing to do with gaming

You mean like 80% or the other submissions that are being posted here?

It had relevance to GG and if it was Gawker instead of Breitbart publishing such an article (again), we would all be a happy family bashing Gawker together.

[–]Immahnoob -5ポイント-4ポイント  (14子コメント)

To be honest, it's not a "false flag".

Just because one author on Breitbart, be it from the UK, Texas, or whatever place you want, is a total idiot (and to be honest, I've read the article and saw no issue with it, I don't know where you people get all this "ethics" problem here), that does not mean all of Breitbart is shit (That's fallacious at best.). But we can still call it out (although I wouldn't have done so, as previously mentioned) without any issue. No one is immune if they bullshit.

[–]Agkistro13 15ポイント16ポイント  (13子コメント)

So a thousand people upvote an 'ethics issue' that you don't actually think is an ethics issue on a source friendly to us right before the Nyberg thing is about to blow up, and you think it's all above board?

[–]Immahnoob 2ポイント3ポイント  (12子コメント)

I don't see your point. So what if this Nyberg issue blows up right after we've called out bullshit on A SMALL PART OF BREITBART?

Yeah, sure, PR wise it sucks, can't say no to that, people are idiots, they think that if a single individual of group A has characteristics, B, C, D, that means the whole A group has the characteristics B, C, D. It's idiotic but it happens often.

Also, I don't really care about what a "thousand people" believe, honestly.

[–]Agkistro13 5ポイント6ポイント  (11子コメント)

My point is that the Breitbart 'scandal' is fucking bullshit, and it's suspicious that it has 1200 upvotes. I think somebody is trying to stir shit up, and drive a wedge between us and our closest journalistic allies.

[–]RoryTateOG³: GamerGate Chief Morale Officer 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

drive a wedge between us and our closest journalistic allies

There is no such thing as a "journalistic ally" in this. Either the (gaming) media does their job ethically and with a reasonable amount of effort, and thereby earn our respect (never our allegiance), or we hold them accountable until they do so consistently. No exceptions.

[–]Mysteryman64 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a shame you're getting downvoted, because the idea the KiA has "journalistic allies" to me seems so fucking foreign that it's ridiculous.

If we're looking for ethical reporting, we shouldn't be looking for "allies". We should be looking for organizations that perform ethical reporting. If Kotaku fucks up (and they often do), we should call them on it. It Breitbart fucks up, WE SHOULD CALL THEM ON IT.

As I have been lead to believe, we're here to encourage journalists to stop trying to politicize every god damn article and give us some straight facts. If the sub has been hijacked by right-wing folks looking to push right-wing agendas regardless of ethical considerations, then we're just as fucked as the aGGros.

[–]Agkistro13 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Uh-huh. It's got 1200 upvotes and three times as many comments as the WSB-TV retraction because we all feel so strongly about a two paragraph story on Breitbart about some cop-hating bitch that has nothing at all to do with us.

[–]Aurondarklord 68ポイント69ポイント  (13子コメント)

It frankly doesn't matter if it's a false flag, if it's factually true that Breitbart did something wrong, then we should tell them to stop doing it, same as we would any other publication. Doesn't mean we should kick Milo out of the clubhouse, doesn't mean Breitbart are now "the enemy", but in-group bias and the need to defend "your own" beyond all reason is what got the SJWs where they are today with Nyberg, and we could easily end up going the same way if everybody who is pro-GG is always right no matter and incapable of fucking up because we need absolute solidarity.

Freaking self awareness guys, it's not a binary choice between "ignore it" and "burn Breitbart to the ground", just exercise a proportional fucking response and don't lose your shit, do the RIGHT THING and it doesn't matter whether antis are trying to divide us or not.

[–]GarrowsKai 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

This has been my issue with KiA and GG. Everyone seems to absolutely adore Milo, Breitbart and a handful of other things without ever seeming to question some dodgy things they seem to do which go against the whole ethics in journalism thing, or their motives in general, solely because they're pro-GG, whereas if Gawker et al were to do such things there'd likely be a shitstorm over it. (I can't think of examples, I don't keep track of it at all because frankly I don't care too much, it's just something I've noticed over the past year).

Sometimes this place can seem just as much of a circlejerk as SJW subs but on the other side of the political spectrum, where pro-GG people are never brought to task for shit things they do.

Then I saw the thread about Gawker / Breitbart and seeing some responses made me think it wasn't quite as bad as it initially seems, when Breitbart does do something questionable the user base here will bring them to task over it. Then this pops up, going full conspiritard with it being a false flag etc. And you know, maybe it is all the machinations of SRS in an attempt to split GG hence all the "new faces" who're commenting on it. Or it could be that a lot of the people who've been casually observing this for a while who are erring on the pro-GG side but don't bother contributing due to the fact dissenting views on Breitbart and Milo etc don't seem to be tolerated terribly well saw other people share their views and threw their two cents in. A third possibility, and yet another conspiracy, is this thread was started by someone from Breitbart in order to quickly divert attention away from their own fuck up by claiming it was all SRS and get the userbases attention back on the "correct" target.

The fact is it's true that had Gawker done what Breitbart had done they would have been crucified on this sub, advertisers (what few remain) would have been contacted and it would have been another nail in the proverbial coffin. Yet because it's Breitbart it was initially ignored and then when a thread is put up about it the issue in question is put aside in favour of painting it as a grand conspiracy.

[–]ObliteratedRectum 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

I've known plenty of GGers to "adore" Milo. He's charming, he's goodnatured, he took the time to investigate GG and not just paint us with a broad brush. Then he covered things GG related that absolutely nobody else would bother.

I haven't known more than the rare straggler to think the same thing of Brietbart and I would assert that anyone who has had the same esteem for Breitbart that they have for Milo and Allum has never actually spent any time reading non Milo/Allum Breitbart content over the years.

[–]Aurondarklord 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ehhhhh....it's absolutely true that we tend to go easier on our allies, but while it's a minority opinion, I've seen plenty of people around here who are skeptical or wary of Milo and his ilk, either that he's only in it for himself, or that he's said some dodgy stuff about gamers in the past, or that the institutional right are trying to co-opt us in their more general war with the left. He's got some rabid fanboys who eat up his twitter antics, but I remember a lot of people expressing hesitance about sending him to airplay, and even more saying "I told you so" after he spent the afternoon panel monologuing about feminists. I don't think he's as universally popular around here as you imagine, I suspect many GGers regard him as more of an ally of convenience.

That said, he IS an ally, and it's important to have them. We can't take on the whole damn world by ourselves with no friends, we have to pick our battles, and balancing that with standing by our principles can be tough, and will involve some disagreements about where the lines are and how we should prioritize. Breitbart can be kinda tabloid and biased, absolutely, but you gotta consider the big picture, are we harder on Gawker than Breitbart for similar things? Yes. But Gawker is like evil incarnate, they pretty much do nothing BUT lie and ruin people for clicks, it's such a PATTERN of overwhelmingly corrupt conduct that we're basically at war with them as an institution and just looking for ammunition, and I don't really blame us for it, whereas in other circumstances, dealing with publications that have some redeemable value but make mistakes, we're less nuclear in our approach cuz they're not such unrepentant assholes.

And come on, there's nothing paranoid about considering we're possibly dealing with a false flag here, this happens like CLOCKWORK right before big events. Airplay right around the corner? Drama about one or more of the panelists. Somebody's about to drop an article or video that's damning to the SJWs? Drama about that person. They stir shit all the time. But again, as long as we don't FREAK OUT and start disowning people whenever they mess up, it doesn't matter if the antis are false flagging, if anything, they might end up accidentally making us better. And even though they keep trying this shit, it never actually does us any real damage in the long term, because they always function under the misconception that we'll behave the way THEY do. To SJWs, you're either a saint or you're the devil, you're either an unassailable paragon of their virtues, or at the slightest falter, deserve to be run off the internet on a rail. We're not like that, we have room in our movement for disagreement and for human error, and that's what they never grasp.

[–]JymSorgee 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

More or less. We are naturally immune to false flags anyway because we are reasonable and we are actually interested in figuring things out. I love everything Milo and Alum have done for us. But Brietbart is more than just two people and I am not blind to their flaws. Most folks here are pretty liberal. I'm sure that you oppose a lot of things that Reason (Cathy Young's day job) does as well. American Enterprise Institute has produced some rock-stupid things but that does not diminish my respect for CHS.

[–]MasterGoshinki 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no idea what's going on, but I agree with what you wrote here

[–]Nelbegek 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

The issue regarding that specific article is well discussed here. The fact that someone equates it to "recognizing how shitty Breitbart is" is their failure and problem. If Milo can't see what the real objections are and goes by what some aGGros are spewing, that is his failure.

If anything, I see it as GG holding everyone to the same standards and that should be applauded.

[–]ObliteratedRectum 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

And if Milo and Allum didn't see that as painfully obvious, then they wouldn't be the intelligent critical thinkers we gave them credit for being and considering their commentary and coverage of Gawker's callout-out-witch-hunting-private-citizens stuff of the last couple months, it would actually be somewhat hypocritical.

Breitbart is shit and this was a shitty thing they did.

Allum and Milo did not write it, so I don't see what it has to do with them. The same way Breitbart has always been shit, but Allum and Milo have been decent exceptions to the typical BB expectations... and if BB wants to give them a platform and the leeway to cover the things they do, then good on them for the opportunity.

[–]HandofBaneShitposter Extraordinaire[M] 15ポイント16ポイント  (11子コメント)

Archive that SRD link, please.

[–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

[–]HandofBaneShitposter Extraordinaire 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

That kind of wasn't my point - direct and np links are not allowed, because it was added to the OP via an edit, it got past automod. I want to allow this discussion to continue, but if OP doesn't replace the np link with an archive, I will have to pull this thread down.

[–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Eh, I wanted to put an archive up, just in case.

[–]HandofBaneShitposter Extraordinaire 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No worries. Also, I think you guys need to pay some closer attention. That doesn't look like an anti-KiA sub, it looks like it's a meta sub full of links to SRD threads/posts shittalking KiA/GG. Take a look at the moderator list there, then compare it to here.

[–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, it's a little too weird for my tastes when looking at a glance, which is why I assumed it was an anti-KiA sub. Also, I'm not really in a good position to do so deeper analysis, just some good glances here and there for the moment.

[–][削除されました]  (2子コメント)

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    [–]HandofBaneShitposter Extraordinaire 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    OP stopped posting shortly after my first request for him to switch it to an archive. I'll allow a little more time in case it's something like a dinner break, but figure maybe 15-20 more minutes and I am taking this down til it gets fixed. I should be playing some vidya right now, not having to babysit this because OP isn't paying attention.

    [–]EzraTwitch[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Changed to archive, sorry didn't even realize till you pointed it out because I got their through his /u/.

    [–]Mebbwebb 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I feel like his sub is satire or deff sarcasm

    [–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Poe's Law. Oh boy.

    [–]Dwavenhobble 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Here's the thing people don't get.

    We can call out Breitbart on a problem without it being considered a problem with the whole network.

    It's the reason deep freeze lists individual journalists and a break down by publication not fully blaming the entire publication for said journalists actions.

    It's SJWs and their guilt by association bullshit. Because one Breitbart guy did something dumb everyone there must be guilty of it.

    You know the same shit they try regularly with GG

    [–]The_Killah29 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

    SJWs always lie. These are traps.

    [–]Andoracer 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

    it's suspicious for an irrelevant thread to get so many upvotes so fast. Note how even the vivian james thread hasn't reached half the upvotes the breitbart thread has.

    Often I don't post my opinion because it could be considered "too radical" and I don't want to hurt this sub's reputation (moderate and accepting sub).

    Well when you have a moderate sub, you get a fair a amount of unchallenged shills due to rule 1 (don't be a dickwolf). I understand having a reasonable debate is what may make a neutral join the cause, but at the same time it's pointless to engage the shills.

    I remember the MSGV review thread and how people were wondering "isn't this what we wanted?" Well no, this is not what I want at least. Polygon Kotaku etc. are beyond repair, they need to be destroyed for their betrayal of gaming culture. "Buet piople will looz deir jopz" Think I give a fuck about those fucking anti gamer bloggers? Fuck them, in any other industry they'd be fired no questions asked, here we are talking about "reformation of ethics" and shit like this, fuck that. They want to destroy gaming? Then they must be destroyed, take no prisoners.

    I don't think there's "common ground" to be found like it's said by some here, I'm hispanic and SJW are not my friends, they are my enemies. Keep whining about my beloved 2D girls and I'll keep hating you harder, that's how it is. We are in the opposite side of the spectrum.

    [–]ObliteratedRectum 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The Breitbart witch-hunt thing is incredibly relevant, given how much we have relied on coverage of GG from Breitbart. To not have a discussion of it is what would be incredibly suspicious. Breitbart is not some precious darling of ours. It's an unnecessarily related evil that affords a voice and platform to a couple of writers who cover GG that we like to read.

    I haven't voted on the Vivian James thread, because I don't give fucking shit about a dumb little fucking cartoon character. I voted up the Breitbart story, because I'm not a hypocrite and as much as I like Milo, I do not like Breitbart and I do not condone the abhorrent shit they did with that article about the twitter shooting girl and they aren't afforded special dispensation from critique just because their name isn't Gawker.

    [–]Andoracer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    wtf? You saying Vivian is just a cartoon? Vivian is our mascot and and she's everywhere gamergate related even this sub's banner. Having google describe Vivian as what she really is instead of what SJW say is vital to gg. A mascot is a form of representation

    Breitbart is a platform that happens to host Milo, breitbart is not gamergate. Gawker is a SJW heaven and kotaku's parent company. That's the big difference. What breitbart does and does not is not our problem, just like aljazeera is not our problem in spite of having positive gamergate coverage.

    [–]Seruun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Controvery always attracts more people than anything and you can't get much more controversial than BB and Nero.

    [–]Celecia 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    What is this article that everyone is talking about? All I can seem to find on the matter are vague mentions of one and angry people.

    [–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'll agree the timing is a little too coincidental, given the Butts scenario.

    [–]shillingintensify 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How many hours until a SJW outlet does the same thing, again, and the double standards start projecting, again.

    [–]Agkistro13 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I did think it was odd that thread on here shitting on Brietbart for something tiny has over a thousand upvotes when the person who posted it gets nothing but downvotes for practically everything else he says here.

    [–]ObliteratedRectum 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's almost as if all of us said "Yeah, we would be pissed off and rant for 10,000 posts if this was about Gawker... and we have done that... so we should stand on principles and take Breitbart to task on it, even though they employ a writer we like".

    The rest of you who look at the story and say "Garsh, I dunno what the story is here or why you give a shit" need some serious time for introspection.

    [–]groovegmr 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

    It's simple brigading blowing things out of proportion, I mean just look at the numbers.

    [–]EzraTwitch[S] 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I stay active on Twitter and Reddit and gamergate. Something abnormal is definitely up. Their is a pattern to aGG twitter posts when we have self critical posts like these. They generally say something like "Self Awareness Almost Achieved" or something else snarky. This is the first time I have seen a rash of aGG posters saying things to the tune of "Good Job Gamergate", these people wouldn't piss on us if we where burning to death.

    Let me be clear I am not suggesting a "conspiracy". I am suggesting a lot of people who each have their own reasons for wanting Gamergate to go away are making a bigger deal out of a post that would generally die on any other given week, are blowing this out of proportion. This is likely being amplified by a few bad actors who have a larger professional interest in getting rid of us.

    Like I said, we have caught False Flaggers red handed before, hack we have caught who really don't have a vested interest in Gamergate one way or the other but are getting paid to do so. Not to mention all the Twitter bots that where false flagging us in the early days that somebody paid for.

    [–]AzraelBaneDaedric Shitlord 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'd have to agree I still have a lot of people from the first #OpSKYNET and what I'm seeing right now is a lot of people pushing for infighting in any way they can over the smallest shit. This definitely has a coordinated look about it

    [–]qberr 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    i posted the breitbart article 1-2 days ago btw, just thought it was fairly relevant due to similarities with other (SJW induced) hate mobs

    thread disappeared off first page quickly because fuck if i'll try to learn how reddit works

    [–]ulikestu 17ポイント18ポイント  (21子コメント)

    I will be clear about this. Pro-GG in no small part because I detest the tactics of aGGros. FUCK YOU if you think I'm going to excuse it when a tangentially related "ally" uses the same fucked up tactics. Singal isn't welcoming anyone to the fold, he's acknowledging GG might not be a hive mind. Closing ranks because Milo doesn't like that we are attacking his boss, is HugBox territory.

    Be consistent or fuck off with the other hypocrites.

    [–]azgult 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree. I'm not about to give Breitbart a free pass because they are "on our side". That is how corruption gets born.

    No, in this particular case Breitbart fucked up, and they will have to deal with the flack from it.

    Edit: spelling

    [–]mad_mister_march 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Absolutely. And let's not pretend that Milo and Breitbart give a shit about GG beyond the free Avenue to attack their ideological opponents (Milo may be for free speech, but up until GG took off he couldn't give less of a shit about gamers). Putting either on a pedastle just because they throw us a bone once in a while is exactly the same thing Ghazi does with Gawker and it's affiliates ("yeah we know they're shit but they're pointed at those guys so it's ok").

    Breitbart is tabloid trash. Doesn't matter whether it's the US branch or the UK branch. And you don't need to be GG or aGG to recognize that calling out some random nobody for some stupid ass tweet is a pretty shitty thing to do.

    [–]ulikestu 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I like Milo, and at least he owned up to his past, immediately. I remember him saying "here are some popular accusations against me, and here is my response to them. Also, sorry I misjudged gamers." But yeah, no one goes on the pedestal. The pedestal is for values, not people.

    [–]mad_mister_march 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I have this funny habit of not trusting anyone whose career revolves around politics. Maybe he's legit, maybe he'll sell us out as soon as it becomes more profitable to do so. I don't know.

    I'm willing to accept his help, but I'm not handing him the keys to the villa.

    [–]ulikestu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The only keys are ethics and fair-play.

    [–]GarrowsKai 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Glad someone else here is at least open to the possibility that Milo and Breitbart are using GG simply to further their own careers and businesses. I've thought for a while that it's possible they don't care about any of it but are just using it as a vessel to advance on.

    [–]Andoracer 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    tbh I don't give a fuck what his motives are, isn't he a good ally? Do you think Sommers is a gamer? We can't go around taking a shit on the people who've helped us just because they haven't maxed all stats on FFX or "couldn't give a shit about gamers before GG"

    Where are the people that wrote for gamers before GG? kotaku, rps, polygon etc. taking a shit all over you because gamers are dead, that's where they are.

    I don't give a fuck if Milo didn't give a shit about gamers or if he's attacking his political enemies through gg. He's being helpful NOW while a bunch of faggots who were supposed to be on our side are happily sucking feminists cock for a few patreon dollars

    Also did Milo shame the twitter girl? No, then why the fuck should we care about this? I never heard breitbart is a gg bastion, why is it suddenly a problem for GG that breitbart does something stupid?

    [–]mad_mister_march 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Milo strikes me as a fair-weather ally. At least Sommers has always crusaded against third wave Radfem fuckery, which also happens s to include SockJuice nonsense. Milo got on board because he saw a chance to advance his career. He may have "seen the light" afterwards, so to speak, but let's not sugarcoat it.

    And if you truly believe that Kotaku et al were friends of gamers before GG started, then welcome to the internet, you must be new here. Gaming sites were pro-gamer in the early 2000's, but between a growing field of competition and the need to stay relevant in the age of youtube and easily accessible user reviews, they've been forced to suck the clickbait cock ("forced" isn't really the right word for some of them, but semantics). And no one outside of high schoolers or the hilariously naive thought that game mags and sites were anything other than extended advertisements at best. How long has it been a running joke on the Web that IGN took payment in exchange for good reviews?

    And my problem in this instance isn't with Milo specifically; hell, beyond the shitty unethical actions of Brietbart, my beef isn't even with them. Like I've said, at least they're open with being what they are. Call 'em out, move on.

    My problem is mostly with the users on KiA who will give Brietbart a pass because they're "on our side". If we're gonna call out shit, call out shit across the board. Don't ignore ethics when it's inconvenient to do so.

    [–]Andoracer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    you know, I was having a good read until you started patronizing me and insulting me with your petty memes.

    I clearly didn't mean kotaku were our friends before gamergate, I just mentioned games journalism as the main medium that discusses games, that is to say the medium that's supposed to care about games.

    I specifically said that because you said Milo didn't care about games before GG as if that was relevant which it isn't.

    I understand you would like to have only legit gamers like Vavra or the guys over at techraptor in our ranks but we are a small group with everything against us, whatever help we can get is good help.

    Finally I think my main issue with all this shit is that I don't think "breitbart" is on our side. Milo is on our side not breitbart. Having a columnist on a non gaming site give positive coverage doesn't mean that site is pro gamergate. Just like forbes is not on our side because there were some positive columns there. Breitbart is not our fucking problem, they being unethical is irrelevant to gamergate's interests. I don't give a fuck when theguardian is being unethical in their Ukrainian war coverage or when huffpost talks shit about China. Mainstream journalism is not our fucking jurisdiction GamerGate are not the fucking saviors of the world. We care about mainstream journalism being unethical when it's about us not about what everything that's going on in the world. That's why you haven't seen any msm threads here other than when they whine about gamergate

    edit: grammar

    [–]Dashing_Snow 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

    I absolutely agree with you I am not a fan of Milo in general personally the only reason I'm taking a look at this is the uovotes on that article are nuts. There are more upvotes on it than the save vivian sticky.

    [–]ulikestu 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    To clarify, the "tangentially related 'ally'" is meant to be Breitbart, not Milo. That said, no ally is immune to criticism.

    [–]Kazbkaz 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Were a little over a year away from a presidential election. Expect half the forum posts on the entire internet made between now and then to be paid shills.

    Get used to it. KIA will be targeted especially because were a collection of both left and right and viewed as a valuable prize if we can be captured.

    There have been constant attempts to infiltrate and ether divide or control us for over a year now, and its about to get much worse.

    [–]RoryTateOG³: GamerGate Chief Morale Officer 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    KIA will be targeted especially because were a collection of both left and right and viewed as a valuable prize if we can be captured.

    This fear doesn't sound very reasonable to me. First off, we're very small as far as internet forums/groups go, and even more importantly not everyone on this subreddit even lives in the U.S. (I don't reside there) and/or can vote (many here aren't even of voting age). Also, you don't provide any method by which this "mass hypnosis" of the entire readership of KiA will occur.

    IMO, conspiracy thinking is the way most people get their opinions truly controlled by others. This type of decision making limits their access to information (certain sources are immediately thrown out: governments/scientists/big pharma/etc), and decisions are made either emotionally or in a state of very strong emotion (fear/mistrust/anxiety/etc). That is a recipe for an incorrect conclusion in any situation.

    [–]zerodeem 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    First off, we're very small as far as internet forums/groups go

    Something like 50k politically active people attacking the media complex is a fairly large thing.

    [–]RoryTateOG³: GamerGate Chief Morale Officer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There are 50K subscribers. Not even half of those are active readers (let alone contributors) at this moment. I am subscribed to subreddits I haven't read or posted in for several months. Many of those subscribers are also opposed to the gamers here who speak out against censorship and the corrupt practices within the gaming press, and just want to keep tabs on our activities.

    And let me state this clearly again: a large percentage (I'd guess around half) of those who are active here can't even vote in the U.S. election.

    [–]Frankly_George 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Expect half the forum posts on the entire internet made between now and then to be paid shills.

    How much does a shill get paid? Serious question, I could use some extra cash right now and I'm curious to know how much integrity is worth...

    [–]Groggles9386 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

    It's a blatant false flag, Check one of the people I was arguing with /u/Taxtime2015 trying to bait for anything he can use

    [–]HowAboutShutUp 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What the hell are we even talking about? Did Milo get upset that people were calling shenanigans on breitbart texas or something? I think we all realize that Breitbart is a conservative outlet, and that like many news organizations, some of their work is good, and some of it is subpar. An article about an alleged criminal and an article about someone saying something stupid are not the same thing.

    I'm pretty sure we can dislike what happened to the lady who made the dumb tweet and be ok with criminal activities getting exposed. Its a bit silly to get one's knickers in a knot over this, as if a few nice words from the anti-common sense camp is going to derail everything.

    [–]sodiummuffin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    https://twitter.com/Nero/status/640278516953673733

    I don't care that they didn't like one article on Breitbart. I was looking at the language they use.

    He didn't like some of the comments that were using "conservative" as an insult and calling Breitbart "far-right" or whatever.

    [–]RoryTateOG³: GamerGate Chief Morale Officer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    as if a few nice words from the anti-common sense camp is going to derail everything.

    Unfortunately, identity politics dictates to some people that they can't agree with anything the other side believes, or they become the very definition of "evil". So while the majority (I think) will very much agree with you on this point, there will be a vocal section that cannot accept any common ground with the opposition.

    [–]Zero132132 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For real? Where is this "us or them" bullshit coming from?

    If someone does something shitty, and you agree that it's shitty, unless you're into tribalist bullshit, you call them out on it. Trying to get a bunch of people nice and pissed off because of a tweet is stupid.

    "But what she said was legitimately terrible!"

    You're offended? Poor thing... do you need to go back to your safe space? There's even a ball pit there!

    If you dislike the "has Justine landed yet" shit but you're fine with this, then you're a hypocrite.

    [–]goonerh1 23ポイント24ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Don't agree that's it's a false flag. Do agree that it's way off-topic for us and that arguing about it does nothing but divide us.

    [–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Pretty much. Call out the article? Great. Ignore that it's an 'ally' and do it anyway? Awesome. Using this as some right/left wing beating stick about which one is shittier? Unnecessary and pointless. Arguing about who we are and how we think instead of the actual goal of GG is EXACTLY how OWS petered out.

    Let's not repeat that.

    Then again, this is typical KiA drama. At the very worst, people will keep fighting until Tuesday and go right back to where it was. It happened plenty of times with all the Hat2 Paranoia (to the point where it led to the only day here of a net loss of subscribers) , and this is nowhere near as bad.

    [–]Gazareth 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    it does nothing but divide us.

    The thing is, we can be together in a topic about one issue, then be divided about another issue in another topic at the very same time.

    [–]goonerh1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    True but these sorts of things seem to be the ones that grow until people lose their shit altogether.

    [–]NocturnalQuill 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    A journalistic outlet did something blatantly unethical. Is that really off-topic for us?

    [–]Wolphoenix 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    These things always have a similar pattern. And the people advocating for something like this and wanting to cause infighting about nothing, generally have a similar "speech pattern" when it comes to their posts and comments. It can be recognized. It stands out. Much like SRS and goons stood out on the chan GG threads when they tried to blend in.

    [–]yiannopoulos_mActual Yiannopoulos, and a pretty big deal ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Took you long enough. X

    [–]HeavyMetalRobot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The opposition has been trying to false flag us from the start of this entire thing. It's how they operate. They have hidden IRC chat rooms where they plan this stuff including divide and conqueror tactics. The topic not being within the scope of GG should have been a big tip-off to people imo. Can't wait for the Butts article. lol

    [–]Chrono_Nexus 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    aGG uses a top-down email strategy where they send talking points to their subordinates, who are compelled to echo them in turn. I was invited to use such a system when attending an aGG meeting at a convention. These "mailing lists" can be coordinated for false flags. OP is probably correct.

    [–]The_Mad_Pirate 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Divide and Conquer is probably the second most used strategy by Sexual Justice Woollies ( Harrass and Humiliate being the first ).

    [–]Syndromic 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Looking at the whole thread, I'm amazed at Aggros coming out of woodwork going to so much length to defend a motherfucking pedophile. Some people just plain disgust me and they need to be thrown away in the jail along with the pedo they are defending. Apparently to them what Breitbart's doing is worse than a pedophile which is just ridiculous. No wonder the world is fucked up with corruption now.

    [–]ObliteratedRectum 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I don't really care what they have to say. Most of us have always been vocal about how fucking shitty Breitbart is and said that we really appreciate the fair coverage and investigative work that Milo and Allum have done -- and that we feel it is simply unfortunate that they are tainted by that Breitbart association.

    Calling Breitbart the shit it is doesn't dismiss Milo or Allum and it isn't something new. Forbes is also a shit-invested native-advertising-humping publication that I can't stand, but Erik Kain is a seemingly good writer over there. Calling Forbes out for its bullshit isn't calling Erik Kain out.

    [–]markcabal 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I have no issue with Breitbart, but agreed that appreciating Breitbart or Forbes or whoever isn't required to appreciate Milo and Allum. If some writer at Gawker was able to write fair pieces about us I'd support them too, while still condemning Gawker.

    [–]kamon123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'd upvote a thread about a gawker writer being ethical in a heartbeat but still want gawker to have hulk go wild on them.

    [–]SPARTAN_TOASTER 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    holy fuck the shills in this thread

    [–]poiumty [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I don't get it. Criticizing a publication should be fair game regardless how "allied" it is with us.

    We don't do the SJW thing of feigning interest and support for something merely because they align with our cult. At least I hope we don't.

    Yeah, GG doesn't like what Breitbart did that one time. Who the fuck cares? No publication is sacred, and that's how it SHOULD be.

    (inb4 "GG WILL ALWAYS EAT THEIR OWN")

    [–]Sp33dl3m0n [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    "I've seen a few SJWs who I'm pretty sure ate their own." - Smart ass comment of the day

    [–]tossaway4856 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

    You shitting me?

    You're also are starting to have a ton of SJW's coming out on twitter and be like. "Good Job KIA, on recognizing how shitty Breitbart is". or "I know I promised not to talk to Gamergate, but good for #Gamergate for recognizing how shitty Breitbart is".

    No one ever made any bones about what Breibart is. They got points for giving us some of the earliest- fairest- coverage we'd seen but that's about it. They're still a news media organization. They still play the economic games of click bait and sensationalist journalism.

    Yet this idea that Briebart is some how on par with Gawker for outing someone who was advocating murder on the premise of someone looking at them funny is in no way equal to playing accessory to fucking black mail. Give me a fucking break. Could they have handled it better? Yes, the police would probably want to know that someone is publicly advocating they get murdered on twitter.

    [–]its_never_lupus 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The last time we had drama like this was on the run-up to Airplay. Damn right there's shills out there.

    [–]ChallyIITES 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Just because Breitbart wrote one bad article, doesn't mean it's justifiable to through every conservative under the bus. Milo has. a right to be disappointed in that thread. GG is strong because it is made up of people from many financial and political backgrounds. We must not forget that.

    [–]ObliteratedRectum 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sorry, who has been throwing Milo under the bus? Throwing Breitbart under the bus (deservedly so) is not throwing Milo under the bus. Journalists aren't my fucking friends and news publications aren't my fucking church. Behave like a shit publication; get called out like one. I don't care if you employ Leigh Alexander or if you employ my fucking mom.

    [–]H_Guderian 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can say, I'm not too up to date. Some other writer seems to have unjustly attacked someone who would have best been left alone. I'll call that out, that seems wrong from what I know.

    But I dunno where this US vs Them within GG is coming. Feels like manufactured rage.

    [–]StickAroundDylan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Getting sick of apologists. Good luck guys and good job so far

    [–]oldmanbees 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Press the lever, get the pellet. Press the wrong lever, receive shock.

    I can't fathom why any GG would give an iota of a shit at this point whether it's being praised or condemned for its community opinions.

    [–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't even understand why the mods allowed it. It has nothing to do with gaming or any geek hobby or SJWs or censorship or any sort of corruption or ethical breach in journalism.

    Are the mods asleep?

    [–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't think it's a false flag. Breitbart did something terrible and most of KiA users who responded seem to think it was a shit thing to do. I don't think anyone here is under the impression that Breitbart is a wonderful outlet. They just happened to strike gold with the GG thing and they get credit for it.

    [–]Non-negotiable 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    A schism between him and #Gamergate could really benefit those arrayed against us

    If Milo let's his integrity get compromised and changes his reporting because we dared to criticize who he writes for, I honestly would rather GG just tell him to fuck off. Hanging their truthful, objective reporting over us to remind us of how great allies they were? It's fucking guilt-tripping to deflect criticism. That's what this post feels like too.

    [–]EzraTwitch[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sure, but Milo's not that kind of guy, and its shitty to pretend that he is based off the publication he works for.

    EDIT: Evidenced by his response to the thread.

    [–]WrenBoy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Even if it could conclusively be proven that the article was posted as a "false flag" and that every single person who upvoted it was not a regular KIA poster I would still think it was a shitty article and that it deserved the reaction it got.

    [–]RoryTateOG³: GamerGate Chief Morale Officer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's a good attitude to have. Process, not people. It's how science has succeeded slowly over the years. And when science has failed, it's because people (friendships, money, etc) temporarily became more important than the process (which is codified by the scientific method).

    [–]gargantualis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks dude for warning the peeps. And guys...remember 8chan has had to deal with derailments and shill attempts like these constantly. Using /pol/ as a means to drive a wedge, when the real important issue is.

    Is the information they are presenting valid.

    Even Camille Pagila's post on Salon advised people to read from all sources, to sift for the truth. aGG and the journos won't even throw a damn olive branch or go as far as Archon did to clear this shit up.

    They'll just throw guilt by association snares, to lasso you back into their politcal groupthink, without seriously addressing or acknowledging your concerns. Actions like that deserve nothing more than a fuck you.

    Liana K was doing the same thing with Ralph to a degree, but thats not grounds for a public denouncement of any kind. When shit stirs, there are going to be oppositional articles so you read everything from all sides. But its your decision what you choose to read and how seriously you take it. People on all sides are going to fuck up, but that shouldn't be calls for a political wedge, and pressure to herd you into camps. We're already polarized enough as a country to the point of facetious ignorance, political gang mentalities and dumb talking points. You saw what you saw. GJP was delivered. For us this is about individuals not camps and hive minds. Because you can question an individuals actions, but theres room for open mindedness and leinency.

    But once you are persecuted from the village or the hive. No one is going to help or feel sorry for you.

    [–]JTVega 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Your right, someone attacking Milo over one Article which I find these people have no idea of what they are talking about.

    [–]nathan0905 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't really think about AGGro when I'm saying what I like or dislike. If they want to say "good for you" that's fine in my eyes. I'm not going to be for something to specifically be contrarian to AGG.

    [–]SivarianDirector - Swatting Operations 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

    As a conservative,

    Maybe Breitbart really is just kind of a rag

    And not everything is a sinister conspiracy

    [–]EzraTwitch[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I literally, specifically stated, I don't think its a conspiracy

    Also given your position "as a conservative", I find your post history quite interesting.

    [–]Wolphoenix 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    That wasn't the issue though.

    [–]SivarianDirector - Swatting Operations 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I'm just a little miffed that the go-to answer 90% of the time a pro-GG figure or institution gets criticism is "SJW SHADOW GOVERNMENT." It's like yelling "PATRIARCHY" every time.

    [–]Wolphoenix 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That usually happens when the actual quote or issue gets wildly twisted to mean something else, or talk about something else, than what it was intended for. This sub is paranoid when it comes to infighting. And with good reason.

    [–]zerodeem 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You're the guy that was defending the child molester Nyberg the other day, I recognize the flair.

    [–]EzraTwitch[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Please read my posts, and don't assume you know what they said from the title.

    [–]Splutch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Of course it is, it's the weekend. And the original post got far too much attention to be natural to KIA users.

    [–]Parogar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree. This is suspicious as fuck.

    [–]Seruun -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I don't see why KiA or GG should not hold Breitbart to the same standarts as every other outlet.

    Look, that woman Breitbart quoted is in no way a public person, and there is little else of substance to the article. I am pretty sure that is in violation of one or two SPJ rules.

    [–]Groggles9386 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It isn't that they shouldn't. It's the fact an article by Breitbart Texas was used to smear Breitbart UK, and Milo was understandably pissed when people started attacking his work because of another branch of the company. That and a large amount of very left wing posts where made hitting out at him for being "Right wing" or "conservative" which there is no doubt he is, but he too offense to seeing some on KIA is "Right wing" as a dismissive insult

    [–]Seruun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Interesting, haven't seen this persepective yet. I am to used too seeing Milo and Breitbart (in general and UK in particular) as a separete entities.

    [–]SirCabbage 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    We should. I mean, that is the point is it not? Ethical Journalism no matter the source. What we shouldn't do is let people be like "oh they are seeing the error of their ways" or some shit. No- this is just like the TDL techraptor thing... We hold ALL to the same standards regardless of "ally" status. So we aren't "seeing the light" we are simply doing what we always have done. SO it is dishonest of them to try and make the problem balloon out like that. No doubt they are trying to turn breitbart against us by making it seem like we hate them..

    What these people need to realise is- unlike them we don't need everyone to blanketly agree with us on everything to be a part.

    [–]Seruun 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That is the beauty of it ain't it? That everyone can use the tag and call him- or herself a GGer regardless of affiliation. All in all this isn't the first left-right shitstrom on KiA it won't be the last, remember that Trump stuff?

    I am sure KiA will survive this, a few butts might get hurt in the process but if you can't stand people disagreeing, then maybe you should seek out a safe space.

    [–]uc9here 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Yeah I agree here; it's just a opinion, but I think aGG is trying to infiltrate us.

    [–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The best way to prevent infiltration is to staunchly adhere to logic and evidence rather than allowing emotion and mob mentality to dominate. The man of principle shall prevail.

    [–]Andoracer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    they've been trying that shit since the first weeks on 4chan

    I guess their masterplan has failed multiple times since it's been a year already

    [–]Zmanwarrior [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    So why are people freaking out over this exactly? That there are people on both sides of the political spectrum here? I thought we knew that already. So what if Ghazi is giggling at us? Don't they do that shit 24/7?

    [–]NocturnalQuill -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    How the fuck is this a "false flag"? The author of the article was blatantly unethical, and we're hypocrites if we don't call it out. I've never trusted Breibart, and I'm waiting to see how the main branch reacts to this. If Breibart is okay with it and we give them a pass, we're as bad as Ghazi.

    If you think I'm a brigader for having a differing opinion, feel free to check my post history.

    [–]EzraTwitch[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Its a false flag, because it has not to do with us, and people who wouldn't normally comment are blowing it up. Further more prominent aGG voices who do nothing but shit on us are suddenly being very congratulatory on "how smart we are to figure out Breitbart is a partisan rag". No one wasn't already aware of this, this is not news.

    [–]GarrowsKai 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    because it has not to do with us

    So ethics in journalism is no longer a cornerstone of GG?

    [–]EzraTwitch[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Ethics in Journalism was Never a GG cornerstone, Ethics in Games, Journalism was, the rest of you will have to fix your own shit I only care about my hobby.

    [–]Metailurus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Surely we have better things to do than moan about the 1 media outlet that is ostensibly on our side, over an article about some post written by an opponent.

    I don't think it's a conspiracy, but we shouldn't be going out of our way to ever agree with the enemy.

    If you are looking for a conspiracy, you would do well to note how locked down the narrative regarding Syrian refugees is at the moment by the cultural authoritarian leftist media, and how sites like the BBC aren't allowing comments on any of those stories lately, but of course that's nothing to do with GG.

    [–]lethatis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I was very surprised to see that article have so many votes. Certainly a brigade and an attempt to co-opt is underway.

    It's not like there haven't been shills attacking before.

    [–]ineedanacct -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Would an SJW have posted this? (/u/tracker2208 was the author of the "Breitbart pulls a Gawker" post) This is not a false flag, and it's pathetic to see the level of tinfoil in this thread. Go back to /pol/

    [–]EzraTwitch[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I don't understand the point your trying to make. Not everyone in a thread needs to be disingenuous for a couple of people to be. That's not even your account or any of the accounts I mentioned so I don't really know what your getting at.

    [–]tracker2208 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There's definitely some opportunism at play here, but nothing I would consider a false flag. The story and the reaction are largely organic.

    [–]ineedanacct 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    re: the accounts you mentioned, Silvabullet is DEFENDING milo. I don't see how that's a "false flag."

    It's not surprising that some people are glad we aren't some "rightwing hub" like they were told. That we actually do care about victims of rightwing shame campaigns as well.

    Why even use the word "false flag?" It makes no sense whatsoever, and that Bal guy is right, you just sound like a loon.

    [–]zerodeem -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    MGTOW is a farce.

    [–]ineedanacct 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I've never posted there, I'm just saying it's obviously not some SJW conspiracy like OP suggests. (or are you saying MGTOW itself is an SJW false flag? lol)

    [–]nodeworx[M] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

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    Post temporarily removed until OP finally replaces that SRD link in the post with an archive version.

    [–]EzraTwitch[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Replaced the SRD link with an archive, sorry I was away from my computer and didn't even see it until I came back. I got their through his /u/ and wasn't thinking.

    [–]nodeworx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ... and reapproved... Thanks for the help!

    [–]EastGuardian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No wonder the whole brouhaha is suspicious.

    [–]boommicfucker -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Here's a simple explanation:

    • Someone posts a shitty Breitbart article and it gains a moderate amount of traction on KiA
    • Antis watching from the sidelines think it's a good post for one reason or the other, kinda like we sometimes do with Ghazi
    • A bunch of them add their own votes, some even comment
    • Milo is angry because he disagrees with a bunch of us. His rant is full of ad-hominem bullshit and provides no real explanation as to why the OP is wrong.

    And that's it. If you really want to prove something go through the comments chronologically and see if there's any anomalies there.

    [–]qberr 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    honestly, op's failure was comparing the twitter callout to some guy getting blackmailed.

    [–]wargarurumon 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    true, that gawker blackmail piece is truly legendary in terms of shitty unethical journalism

    [–]boommicfucker 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, okay, he did not choose the best example, that's very much true.

    [–]Silvabullet032 -1ポイント0ポイント  (16子コメント)

    A pity GG is attacking the same man who brought it to relevance. What's even worse is that just shows the rising hatred towards anyone that isn't the perfect liberal gamergater.

    Milo's not the only one feeling unwelcome. I and some others are seeing a growing hostility towards those not the perfect Sargon of Akkad or Sh0e.

    [–]evil-doer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "GG" isnt a single being, and you are speaking about a minority of people.

    [–]TheonGryJy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Milo hopefully is aware of that.

    [–]AcherosIs fake journalism 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

    A pity GG is attacking the same man who brought it to relevance

    I don't see anyone attacking him, merely criticizing him and calling out his bullshit.

    If Milo is suddenly above criticism because he did a few good things for us...You know what? fuck it, I'm out at that point.

    [–]wargarurumon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    honestly, i think its just because milo is just to vain to admit that that article was a pretty big fauxpas. he even just now doubled down, while completely ignoring the issue being raised, namely that SHE didn't deserve that much attention or shame. he simply went on a tangent about the blm movement, understandable it may be

    [–]ggdsf -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If there were people trying to cause infighting I didn't pick it up

    [–]Not_for_consumption 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    i'd concur. It was pretty obvious baiting. Didn,t realise that any KiA readers fell for it.

    [–]merrickx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This isn't even close to the first time this has happened either. I recall seeing some Breitbart shit article about a few random, twitter twits with narrow opinions and vitriolic verbiage, related to this whole kerfuffle in the past.

    [–]l0c0dantes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What, Milo losing his shit at us for not supporting him unconditionally isn't a new thing. This has happened multiple times before.

    I mean, Hell, most people who try to court us tend to lose their shit when we call them out for when they aren't ethical.

    Remember the time TB lost his shit when we called out his friend Jim Sterling?

    I like Milo and the things he does, but that doesn't make him immune from criticism.

    [–]Anadis -5ポイント-4ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Looks more to me like KIA is about to go the way of Occupy Wall Street.

    [–]JustABaku 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well, we'll know for sure once people implement the progressive stack.

    [–]Borigrad -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And by Sunday morning no one will care.

    [–]therealdanhill 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't understand what is going on. I thought Milo was doing a good thing, why are people attacking breitbart?

    [–]ItsAboutEthics 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    NOPE

    Just weekend drama.

    Will be done by Mond-- er, Tuesday for Amerifats.

    [–]cvillano 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're not wrong

    [–]ButInTheStoneAge [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Let me be clear I am not suggesting a "conspiracy".

    Yes you are. You are clearly saying that anti-GG planned to make a shitty article from Breitbart (a shitty news site) become heavily upvoted on KiA to disrupt the story on that pedophile that Milo is writing.

    Here's a newsflash, nothing in Milo's article is new information. The information has already reached far more people via Twitter than Breitbart could ever do.

    Give me a fucking break with this shit.

    [–]bozzie_23kget misogynerd -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You're overthinking this. A lot.

    [–]EzraTwitch[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not really see my reply farther down for a more complete explanation.