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[–]Gamps_dork soles 62ポイント63ポイント  (4子コメント)

blaming clothing is like saying its man's nature to rape, and they can't stop it if they see skin.

[–]thunderlingDirector of Hysteriatrics 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

A lot of people use those literal words too... Like just straight up "It is their nature. They can't stop if they see skin."

Thanks for that very wise advice, mother. "Lock your door at night because men can't control themselves" GOD JUST SHUTUPSHUTUPSHTUPSUTHSPUDTHUPSDT;LKADTA

[–]Gamps_dork soles 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

"is it 7pm? RAPE TIIIIME AAAHHAHAAHHHHHH"

[–]Sierrahasnolife 161ポイント162ポイント  (3子コメント)

This sort of discussion is toxic to both genders, for girls it tells them they have to police their clothing and behaviors in order to avoid being assaulted which is terrifying and for boys it implies that they are mindless apes who can't control themselves which is just plain offensive. I wish more people could see that feminism is good for everyone.

[–]booofedoof 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

See, that's the problem. When was the last time a teenage boy was so distracted by a girl wearing a tank top or shorts that he couldn't focus on school work? This is insulting young men and placing imaginary blame on young women. The whole thing is fucking ridiculous. It's almost like the people making these rules should stop sexualizing children.

[–]Jamator01Admiring the Woman in its natural habitat... -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

A lot of people see 'feminism' as just 'girl power'. I think we'd get a lot further if we stuck to calling it equality.

[–]Lots42Fried Chicken Commander 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

When I hear that schools are policing girl clothes some teenage boys will calm down I hear 'so some of the adult male employees will calm down'.

[–]Carricre(>O.o)> 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the real truth right here.

[–]GCSThree 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

If someone is saying they can't control themselves because of 'x' then they need to be put down. That's what happens to animals that attack humans.

(Ironically most animals can be trained to control themselves.)

[–]RebornPastafarian 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

"I can't control myself when I'm drunk!" Yeah you can, people have just allowed you to use it as an excuse. This extends beyond the topic of rape.

[–]ninasayers21 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or just drink less or don't drink... I have a friend who used to get pretty confrontational, borderline aggressive when she drank so (drumroll) she drinks less when she goes out and everything is fine now.

[–]Chad3000totally a girl, just pretend 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

I try to turn it around and flip perspectives on those who are victim blaming — what gives a rapist the right to be the person to 'punish' someone who deserves it. It's a similar dynamic with cops who shoot people — what gives them the right to be the one to end someone else's life?

[–]Shaysdayslike a dirty Girl Scout 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

That is a smidge different- if a cop kills someone who is trying to actively murder people I find that acceptable. Sad for all involved, but that's part of the cop's job.

I get what you are saying and I support the restructuring of police forces and policies so they aren't shooting black men and women who aren't doing anything lethal, I'm just saying it's not a great analogy- if someone breaks into a movie theater and starts shooting, talking them down probably won't work. There really isn't an analogy to a woman wearing clothes that will cause rape.

[–]Chad3000totally a girl, just pretend 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, I was speaking more on murder in the context of police brutality, where some people unilaterally blame the victim without considering why the police officer should be getting away with enforcing disproportionate punishment.

To be honest, I don't talk about it that much because it's a weird subject to broach and it doesn't work a lot of the tone. But it's an interesting thing to think about, why we as a society tend to victim blame (especially when the victim is the most prominent figure) — whether it happens with truly despicable things like defending rapists, abusers, etc., or in trivial everyday situations.

I certainly don't want to trivialize the issue of rape, but I just wanted to note that victim blaming is a thought process/dynamic that extends far beyond that and seems embedded in our culture, popping up in numerous different situations.

[–]Shaysdayslike a dirty Girl Scout 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

First off- wait, y'all are seeing a unicorn mouse icon too, right?

Second and way more importantly, I do appreciate your idea and I think you had a good point considering what is going on with victim blaming and the police and innocent/non-lethal-force-needed* black citizens. I didn't think you were trivializing rape at all, I just thought it was maybe a bad analogy outside of that specific context and it gets really murky outside of that.

*Not sure how to put that- lots of people commit crimes that cause property damage or whatever without lethal force being the answer, someone shouldn't be shot for stealing chips or doing what a shitload of other people are doing, just because they are black.

[–]Chad3000totally a girl, just pretend 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I guess I wasn't trying to make an analogy about the events themselves, I was attempting to make a connection about how the same dynamic exists in public reaction to it. Definitely appreciate the conversation.

And I'm on mobile, but the top post on the sub seems to explain it as a new feature.

[–]Shaysdayslike a dirty Girl Scout 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough! I may have been derailing there, and I am sorry I didn't consider that, reading what I wrote after the fact.

I will go check out the top post now. (Missed it until you said something, thanks!)

[–]WillravelFemanist 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

MRW victim blaming happens. It's bad enough to have to go through something like sexual assault. We don't need people being a conduit for rape culture by trying to put the blame on the survivor.

[–]omgfaglolz 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm a lady tattooer who likes the ladies. Every once in a while, a woman will come into the shop to get a risque-area tattooed, and they'll ask for a female artist. I often think of the irony that they request a female artist and here comes this big ol' butch straight outta lesboland. So one time I asked a customer if that bothered her. She said ("no offense, but") she knew I was gay when she saw me, but she was ok with it because I wasn't threatening and I have the same parts so it wouldn't be an uncomfortable situation.

Tl;dr women are comfortable getting their butts and boobs tattooed by me even though I'm a lesbian.

[–]TrishyMayButchish[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm also gay asf. It must be like changing in a high school locker room anxiety level times a hundred to tattoo there.

[–]how-do-i-adultIdk what I'm doing 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

The general message of victim blaming can be boiled down to "You should have thought of that before you were born with orifices!"

[–]Lesbian_DrummerPocket Butch 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

I mean, we get pretty wild. Our eyes get wide, we blush, we look away and develop immediate social anxiety. Ladies, beware of showing skin to the lesbians!

[–]Shaysdayslike a dirty Girl Scout 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have a leather jumpsuit here...

[–]hellafitzthis space intentionally left blank 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, that sounds hot. Literally.

[–]Lesbian_DrummerPocket Butch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, wrapping all that skin in a leather jumpsuit would also do it...

[–]sunny_and_rainingFemininely badass as fuck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, I ignore them into nonexistence sometimes when trying so hard not to inappropriately stare -- when in reality all that ever happened was a quick glance.

[–]vuhleeitee 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the damn hell is happening here??? No one said that only men rape, or that women are never rapists. The post does not say, "all women who like women can control themselves". It's saying that the blame in rape lies with the rapist, regardless of what the survivor was wearing or not wearing.

[–]Slyfox00Plaid is rad 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Victim blaming for the problems of our time is a vile plague we'll look back on shamefully.

[–]Reddisaurusrekts 9ポイント10ポイント  (26子コメント)

This quote implies girl on girl rape doesn't happen.

[–]vuhleeitee 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. It doesn't. It says that girls are capable of controlling themselves. It doesn't say that girls always control themselves, just that they are capable of controlling themselves (exactly like men), and some chose not to (exactly like rapists).

I can't believe I have to say this, but rape is a choice, not an uncontrollable impulse.

[–]Faythren 6ポイント7ポイント  (24子コメント)

No, it implies that the clothes are not the problem.

[–]PracticalKem 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, but it also implies that lesbians don't commit rape against women to any significant degree. I'd like to see that claim substantiated.

[–]iatethecheesestick 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

If girls who like girls can control themselves

Assuming they all can. Implying girl on girl rape doesn't happen.

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    [–]iatethecheesestick 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Yeah, no, thats 100% speculation on what the words in the image could mean. Thats not what they literally say. You can read between the lines and take a thousand possible avenue's of thought but it doesn't change the fact that it plainly states that girls can control themselves from raping other girls. No where does it state that girls don't blame the clothing, thats just your own addition.

    [–]kaowerk -2ポイント-1ポイント  (13子コメント)

    lmao what the fuck? who died and made you king pedantry of turdland

    [–]iatethecheesestick 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I don't think its pedantic to take one sentence of text at face value, do you?

    [–]kaowerk -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

    is english your second language? the meaning of that sentence couldn't really get more obvious

    [–]iatethecheesestick 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    You're right, it couldn't. Thats exactly my point. Here is the logic of it, laid out for you.

    1. Men blame the clothes women wear for their being raped

    2. Women don't rape the same women wearing the same clothing

    3. Therefore, it cannot be the clothing that is at fault as it is only the men who are reacting to it.

    The flaw to this argument is that it makes the assumption that women don't rape other women. This is obviously not the case. Understand?

    [–]Man_Myth_Mace 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It really couldn't be any clearer than this.

    [–]kaowerk -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    holy shit and YOU'RE the one accusing the OP of "inferring too much"? that's gotta take one hell of a persecution complex to get that result, i'm impressed

    [–]Man_Myth_Mace -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would like to extend the same offer to you for a mental health professional.

    [–]Man_Myth_Mace 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    http://i.imgur.com/yNQirIJ.gifv

    [–]Man_Myth_Mace -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    No, it sure doesn't.

    [–]vuhleeitee -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Nope. It outright states it.

    [–]Man_Myth_Mace -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Nope. Be gone, troll.

    [–]vuhleeitee 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "If girls who like girls can control themselves around women in crop tops, shorts, etc. then maybe the clothes aren't the problem."

    How dense are you?!

    [–]Man_Myth_Mace -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    how dense are you?!

    Please, answer your own question.

    [–]PracticalKem 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    ...look, not that I agree IN ANY WAY with the notion that you should or can avoid rape by wearing or not wearing a specific outfit (wearing an outfit does not carry with it the reasonable expectation that you might get raped, that is fucking absurd), but it's pretty ridiculous to compare the behavior of lesbians to the behavior of men. These are two different sexes with two completely different hormonal and neurological make ups.

    There's a reason men commit rape and murder on a VASTLY broader scale than women do. They are not the same. This is a ridiculously false analogy.

    [–]TheHardTruthFairy 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What really irritates me is how some MRAs and MGTOWs will straight up make shit up like did you know 99.99999999999% of rape accusations are false and that women rape men at a rate a MEEEELLLION times greater than men rape women? Just makes me so angry because there are idiots out there who will believe that shit.

    [–]vuhleeitee 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    But you can't say that that isn't a result of the vastly different conditioning that the genders receive.

    [–]PracticalKem 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, I can't. But I have more evidence in favor of it being due to physiological differences than you have of it being a matter of socialization. Testosterone IS correlated with aggression in other animals besides human men.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggression#Testosterone

    That's not to say that that makes it a cut and dry case, but implicit in OP's argument is the notion that men and women are exactly the same and so if lesbian women don't behave a specific way there's no reason at all that heterosexual men should behave that way. That's ridiculous.

    [–]This_isgonnahurt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And you can't say that the biological difference between the two sexes isn't a factor.

    [–]SeaManaenamah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm not trying to turn this into a debate, but I made a comment earlier that I feel was unfairly downvoted to the point of being hidden and I would like to use a personal story to help clarify my point.

    A few years back, some friends and I went on a kayaking/camping trip. There was a lot of drinking involved, and I wore a speedo and a sombrero because I thought it would be funny (it was). After we finished kayaking we went back to the campsite we continued drinking and socializing with the other campers. My memory is a bit hazy, but I clearly remember this lady who was old enough to be my mom reaching into the front of my speedo and fondling my penis to see its size. This happened while there were people all around. My friends even joked about it later.

    Things like this happen all the time, and if our genders had been reversed all of those casual bystanders' reactions would have been way different. She only did it because I was the only guy wearing a speedo. No one blamed me as the victim because no one gave a shit.

    This wasn't the first time that a female had touched my penis without my consent either, so forgive me when I disagree with a post that insinuates that men are always the problem.

    So please, let's try and discuss these important issues without cutting each other down. We're all on the same team, we're adults, it's not boys against girls.

    [–]bignicky222 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So a friend of mine posted on Facebook that men should be taught it's not ok to rape. She wasn't joking. Is this a serious thought people have. Wouldn't be the same as teaching people not to murder. I'm truly lost and I'm not trying to be disrespectful to her as she is a good friend

    [–]johnyann 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Being a victim of actual rape is not a crime.

    Raping people is an actual crime.

    Didn't think it was that complicated.

    [–]Man_Myth_Mace 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    A woman has never forced herself on another woman? Fascinating.

    [–]bignicky222 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think I detect sarcasm

    [–]Man_Myth_Mace 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Your sarcasm detector is functional and accurate.

    [–]camazoa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm a really horny dude, and I can control my behavior around nude women. THere is no excuse for poor behavior.