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[–]bostonsam 166ポイント167ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a labor dispute. Plain and simple. The parties involved are just so famous and well known, this isn't like steriod use in baseball that congress got involved in. This is a Union vs Employer case, and those happen often and go to court quite a bit.

[–]Actuarial 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right but we're collectively more concerned about other arbitrary matters!

[–]historymajor44 1227ポイント1228ポイント  (130子コメント)

I get this is a joke and all but it really wasn't about deflating footballs it's about the process an employer can use to punish an employee in a labor union. This case may be very important precedent for labor law.

[–]SmokeyBare 326ポイント327ポイント  (64子コメント)

This is what happens when your employees can afford court cases.

[–]greengrasser11 114ポイント115ポイント  (57子コメント)

Or when millions and millions of dollars are at stake over a game. It's silly but it is what it is, and it's certainly not an exclusively "American" phenomenon.

[–]SenorPuff 117ポイント118ポイント  (36子コメント)

Millions of dollars because people watch it and it sells ads. It's popular because people value it as entertainment. Why is that silly? They've cultivated a following for what they do and people enjoy watching them do it. They get paid that much because that's how much people are willing to pay to see them, via their time in watching ads, their money for tickets and apparel, whatever.

Saying entertainment is silly is like saying the arts are silly. Leisure, arts, sports, recreation, they're a natural part of human, even animal existence. Dogs play, lion cubs play and wrestle. It's not wrong or silly to enjoy being entertained. It's a matter of taste. And a whole bunch of people have decided that football is in their taste, so we get to see it done up with all the money that affords.

[–]ALoudMouthBaby 78ポイント79ポイント  (22子コメント)

Why is that silly?

It is not silly. This is just Redditors being idiots who refuse to appreciate that sports and the people that play them actually have value.

[–]darthstupidious 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

Exactly. People like to argue that athletes don't deserve the pay they get, but they work in a highly lucrative market, have spent their entire lives learning how to play the sport and perfect their craft, and the ones that get paid bank are in the top-25 people in the world at their job. They don't save lives, but neither do the vast majority of the world's professions.

Sure, the rookies get paid $600-$800k, but that's because they've spent their entire lives training for the sport (or are otherwise an insanely great athlete). And most of the time, athletes have a very short career span, so they need to make those huge starting salaries count for the long term. Even then, it's not anywhere being easy to be a professional athlete, or else anyone could/would do it. If you could go try out for an NFL team and land a gig, then good on you... but 99% of the world can't, and I'd rather have the money gained from the sport given to those that entertain us than the owners or team shareholders.

[–]charlos72 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

They get paid what they're worth. They entertain people for a living and make a portion of what they bring in to companies. It's not like they've just inherited it because they're tall and large, they train for this and are paid their value

[–]bipnoodooshup 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. The small company I work for has an NHL player as an investor, he's using his money to make sure a couple hundred people have jobs so I'm sure as hell glad they get their fair market value.

[–]Beniskickbutt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think they deserve what they get paid which is why I usually avoid games and have no sports team wear. Other people are welcome to support their salaries though

[–]FeelsGoodMan2 11ポイント12ポイント  (16子コメント)

Muh STEM circle jerk though

[–]SenorPuff 10ポイント11ポイント  (15子コメント)

Look at Georgia Tech and Stanford and tell me Nerds hate football.

[–]azsqueeze 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Or the Ivy Leagues that paved the way for American Football.

[–]yourmansconnect 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Jersey

[–]SenorPuff 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not sure why you're downvoted. Rutgers v Princeton was the first intercollegiate football game ever recorded.

[–]Wildkid133 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Auburn is an Engineering school

[–]SenorPuff 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Plenty of the major football powers have huge STEM programs no doubt. MIT got to the playoffs in football, too. The idea that STEM folks hate football is all around ridiculous.

[–]devils284 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, Division 3 playoffs, but yeah. We killed it last year

[–]jargoon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Especially because football is basically the perfect sport for modern nerds

http://kotaku.com/5980571/football-the-kotaku-review

[–]JokeCity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well Stanford is very good as of late... But their students still barely attend games and student tickets are free and they still don't fill the seats. Which is a shame because they deserve a huge fan base.

Edit - grammar got me.

[–]hilomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

My kid who NEVER watched football goes to Tech now. First thing he did was buy season tickets (only $50 if you're a student.) He's going tonight. More to hang out than for the game, but that's how it starts though.

[–]SenorPuff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's something for pretty much everyone in football watching. If you don't like the sport there's still socializing, good food and drinks, etc.

[–]FeelsGoodMan2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Going to football games is the social thing everyone has to do. I knew plenty of people who went despite hating the sport because as college students EVERYONE is doing it.

[–]CrYpTO_Sporidium 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a non scientific measure, just look at how much of a 30 minute news show is devoted to sport.

Here in Australia - oftentimes more than half

[–]maniacalxmatt 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not that silly. People like to bitch because they can't make a living doing something as awesome as playing football.

[–]FountainsOfFluids 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well said.

[–]goluphi 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Indeed, I would argue that football stars are one of the few employees that actually get paid somewhat fairly. It's not that they're paid too much, it's that everyone else gets paid too little. I'm sure that management would much rather have players on minimum wage.

[–]SenorPuff 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

They're pretty much all college educated, and have a well funded union.

[–]goluphi -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Guess that "leisure studies" degree really paid off...

[–]SenorPuff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a farmer and majored in mechanical engineering.

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      [–]Wolfman87 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      That's why there are unions for blue collar workers. That's literally why.

      [–]alaricus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Not just blue collar workers.... all workers.

      [–]LifeWisher17 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It actually has little to do with the employees at this point, it's the union against the company. The union (by way of it's employees) is footing the bill for the court cases.

      [–]Glitch29 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I don't understand the distinction you're trying to draw. For almost all purposes, the union is the employees.

      [–]yellow_mio 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The union pays.

      [–]snooze1128 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Actually the court case and the defendent's attorney were completely funded by a union (the nfl player's association)

      [–]kolossal 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

      This case is very important for my fantasy team.

      [–]historymajor44 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Mine too. It auto drafted and I was stuck with Brady

      [–]ABearWithABeer 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Doesn't autodrafting take away like 90% of the fun of fantasy football?

      [–]historymajor44 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I agree

      [–]ABearWithABeer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Well if you're around and want to do an actual live draft I might have 2 slots open for a free /r/patriots league we're doing. We're drafting sunday around noon PST or 4 EST. I forgot the actual time.

      [–]historymajor44 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thanks but I have another league I already decided to join

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        [–]HitlerWasAtheist 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

        OP is a fucking dumbass I hope he stubs his toe really bad.

        [–]amac109 84ポイント85ポイント  (1子コメント)

        But le anti murika circlejerk lmaeo ayy XDXDXXDXD

        [–]bacobits 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        DAE le stupid Sportsball XDXDXDXD!?

        [–]Mackntish 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah I was about to say, THIS is what you take issue with?

        [–]Named_Bort 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yes and No - its not really precedent in Labor Law cause for the most part the relevant points of the opinion were taken from other labor law cases.

        [–]wagigkpn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thank god this is the #1 comment.

        [–]121381 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        not only that but the NFL makes ~$9 billion a year itself and then there are countless others billions made by others because of the NFL. so, it is pretty important for a lot of people that things are looked at as being legit when it comes to cheating and stuff like that.

        [–]gingerkid1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        FWIW, it's not Brady's employer. Bob Kraft, owner of the Patriots, is very much on Brady's side in all this.

        [–]FluoCantus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thank you for explaining it. I had no idea that this is what it was really about.

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          [–]ChargerMatt 215ポイント216ポイント  (33子コメント)

          OP gettin' shit on

          [–]CaptainDAAVE 56ポイント57ポイント  (28子コメント)

          apparently respect for labor unions/workers' rights is GREATER than the general hate for Tom Brady anyone outside of New England typically holds in their hearts.

          [–]1000facedhero 28ポイント29ポイント  (14子コメント)

          That and their hatred for Goodell. Between Replacement Refs, Bountygate, likely illegally punishing Dallas and Washington for the uncapped year, Ray Rice, covering up concussions, the lockout, and general ineptitude with fines he hasn't made any friends.

          [–]GotMoFans 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

          He's made 32 friends.

          [–]CaptainDAAVE 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

          minus Bob Kraft now tho. It's weird cause they were in the same Frat/Illuminati club at like.... I wanna say Yale? Or Harvard?

          [–]Doritos2458 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Its actually 30. 31 Owners (Packers publicly owned, although they have co-presidents that act as owners on the team's behalf), and no more Kraft in his corner (one of the most influential), so thats 30.

          And that's if you don't think that any of the owners didnt like this before, or aren't now tired of this shit.

          [–]MIBPJ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Plus the Packers are publicly owned. Only 30 now.

          [–]krewe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'm not convinced Goodell has lost a friend in Kraft. Kraft might just have an IOU in his back pocket now. He might use his influence against the people under Goodell, but he'd be a hypocrite to actively undermine Goodell himself.

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            [–]abrahammy_lincoln 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Eh. More like 31.

            [–]MyOtherNameIsTaken2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Unless we count all of green bays "owners"

            [–]TruckstopBlumpkin 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Hi, I just picked you randomly because you dropped names and sound knowledgeable about this. I haven't watched a sporting event in years but I can't avoid hearing about deflategate. Can I ask for an ELI5 about why it's being called deflategate and not being called cheating ? I get the [something] + "gate" is a portmanteau for a scandal, but I thought "cheating" was the term for when you rigged elements of the game to secure an unfair advantage. If he cheated, why isn't he being thrown out of the sport, like lance armstrong ?

            [–]hobiedallas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Because the investigation never proved he cheated. Also comparing what Armstrong did to the deflating of footballs is....well, like comparing blood doping to deflating footballs! The NFL (and most sports) have very established guidelines on punishments for various offenses. This case was about the League Commissioner trying to circumvent those rules.

            [–]TyDunn18 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Well lance Armstrong competed in a competition while on steroids, I don't want to get into his medical details because that's a whole different conversation. The patriots possibly (there was scientific evidence showing the air pressure could have fluctuated naturally) broke a very very minor infraction of a rule that had nothing to do with the outcome of the game.

            [–]Ultra_Lord 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Because it is in the rules of the league that tampering with equipment results in a fine. So a 4 game suspension is absurdly long for such a minor offence. It's like when baseball players use pine tar

            [–]ryanraptor 2ポイント3ポイント  (12子コメント)

            I will never understand why people hate on Brady so much. I don't like the Patriots at all but how can you not respect the guy? His life consists of winning championships, having a smoking hot wife, and being a role model. There is nothing to hate about him.. Unless it's because he is beating your team. He doesn't have any off the field antics, he doesn't trash talk, he's a hard working stud.

            [–]CaptainDAAVE 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

            He talks maaad trash, lol.

            BUT, he's a good sport. Not a sore winner or loser. He gets intense and I'm sure he has his douchy moments, but compared to a lot of the other NFL players he's pretty low key. I don't know what kind of charities he's into, but I'm sure he's pretty generous on that front.

            Having said all that, I'm a huge Pats fan (raised in NH) and am sooo happy right now. But I understand other teams frustrations. The patriots used to suck and it was tough being a fan. I've been SUPER spoiled the past 14 years. It's been quite a ride, and I'm glad we get to see him finish out his career uninterrupted by stupid shit.

            [–]ZEB1138 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I had the same thought today. I remember when being a Pats fan meant being regularly disappointed. Things have been on the up and up ever since Drew Bledsoe got injured.

            [–]CaptainDAAVE 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yeah, love Drew Bledsoe, was a great QB with a shit ass offensive line for most of his time there. I feel bad he's most associated with allowing Tom Brady to ascend to the throne; he was a great QB in his own right.

            [–]ryanraptor 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I wouldn't say mad trash. He is confident and you need to be at that level. You need to think you are the best.

            [–]CaptainDAAVE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            He's no Andrew Luck, I'll put it that way haha.

            [–]SauceTheCat 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Because he's one of the best, and that makes it easier for people to hate him. People hate Peyton Manning, and he's just as talented, hard working and we'll behaved as Brady. People hate them because they whip the shit out of their teams and it's more emotionally satisfying to hate someone at the top than the bottom.

            [–]piperluck 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Maybe it's just because I was too young to pay attention but I don't remember people hating Joe Montana and certainly not to this extent. And he also had a smoking hot wife.

            [–]Doritos2458 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            He also has a couple charity organizations if I remember correctly. Or ones he at least usually donates to pretty heavily. (yes part of that may be because of tax benefits)

            [–]Kaimetsu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            but how can you not respect the guy?

            Are people not forgetting this is like the 3rd time the Patriots have been caught cheating? I wonder how many times they haven't been caught? So you ask how we can not respect the guy and it's not really him personally, but the entire team. For cheating to work on that scale, the entire team (or most of it) has to be complicit. That's why I don't respect him.

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              [–]sick_gainz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              So thats what that looks like. Well done.

              [–]BarkMingo 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              deservedly so, this post is shit! OP clearly has no clue about any details of this case and why it went to a federal court

              [–]whodatwhoderr 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Neither do the thousands upvoting

              [–]OnTheEveOfWar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Because OP is a fucking tard.

              [–]jonnyiscool28 94ポイント95ポイント  (6子コメント)

              If your employer forced you to miss work and give up $1.88M in salary, I'm pretty sure you'd try to take them to court.

              [–]HayzeDayze 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Why not? We do it for common jobs all the time with debatable legal issues.

              [–]Hexatona 57ポイント58ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Actually, it would be helpful for justice reform if everyone started exercising their rights to a trial. I know it's not strictly related to what you said, but it's at least parallel.

              [–]Tripin_Midget 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

              The justice system couldn't handle the volume.

              [–]Not_dead_yet_fred 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Won't be able to.

              [–]Hexatona 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

              that's precisely the issue - so there have been various miscarriages of justice performed to ensure that most people do not exercise that right - hence the reform.

              [–]Tripin_Midget -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              From my perspective the justice system is operating the best it can in the current climate. I feel the best way to alleviate the pressure, would be to eliminate the archaic laws that have caused the system to suck ass.

              [–]ajbags26 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

              What's the difference. The justice system runs like shit anyway.

              [–]Tripin_Midget -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Honestly I don't think it is that bad, as long as you are white, or even better a white women, or best of all a 87 year old man.

              [–]coatesishere 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

              It's a multibillion dollar company issue that's incredibly important in the US. You want them to go to Judge Judy or something?

              [–]KatyPerrysBoobs2 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Actually, that sounds pretty sweet.

              [–]AGSattack 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Honestly if Judge Judy had heard the appeal as the arbitrator they probably wouldn't have needed to go to court.

              [–]Elfballer 48ポイント49ポイント  (28子コメント)

              Who else should hear this case then?

              [–]sqectre 19ポイント20ポイント  (9子コメント)

              The NFL, like the MLB and NBA, is a legal monopoly. As such its actions are regulated by a union and, when those regulations break down, the government itself. That's why they have hearings on congress sometimes. It's also why disputes so often end up in federal court.

              There are serious implications for these decisions fairly often.

              [–]meyerjaw 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Exactly the same reason steriod use in MLB was heard by Congress

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                [–]another30yovirgin 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                The thing is, in this case, at least there was allegedly some lawbreaking going on. Seems reasonable.

                However, the amount of time that Congress (your Senate and House of Representatives) spends on resolutions about sports, inquiries about things that they have no conceivable place in legislating (such as the NCAA's method of deciding which schools get to go to bowl games), and on and on...while they don't apparently have time to do things like pass budgets. Now that's ridiculous.

                [–]CheeeseHunter 14ポイント15ポイント  (9子コメント)

                Roger Goodell is a bag of dicks.

                [–]_zarkon_ 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Roger Goodell dines at a buffet of dicks.

                [–]jiratic 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I hope Roger Goodell steps on a mountain of lego.

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                  [–]49_Giants 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  If you would learn about how contracts work and the role the courts play in everyday life, that'd be great.

                  [–]karasz816 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Well, to be fair I think it was more a labor issue. How far can a business go in punishing employees when they don't necessarily break the rules.

                  Also the whole NFL commish suspending a player (causing that player to lose money) when he wasn't found guilty of breaking said rule.

                  [–]CuntyMcFagNuts69 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Everybody's Karma besides OP go up, and they stay there and they stay there

                  [–]drrtydan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b7TXc9EhGA

                  ill just leave this here. Bill Burr nails it.

                  [–]kevlarisforevlar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  ITT OP misunderstanding what the federal case was all about.

                  [–]iareslice 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  If the NFL and sportsbetting weren't worth billions of dollars, then maybe I'd agree with you.

                  [–]pugwalker 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Plus Brady's salary is like a million dollars a game so it's basically a $4 million case on the labor issues alone.

                  [–]wiseass781 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I think it's less about football and more about the powerstruggle between the NFL and team owners. There's millions of dollars at stake there.

                  [–]VacationAwayFromWork 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  between the NFL and team owners

                  Between NFL/team owners and players, since the NFL represents the owners and the NFLPA (the "Players' Association") represents the players.

                  [–]mostlymutualmastur 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Its not between the NFL and the owners, the NFL IS the owners, or at least the body that represents them. It is between the NFL and the NFL Players Association, so essentially between a company and a union.

                  [–]Emarg93 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

                  Tom Brady is a fucking saint

                  [–]magicpastry 24ポイント25ポイント  (10子コメント)

                  No, he's a Patriot.

                  [–]phargle 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Two of Goodell's least favorite things either way.

                  [–]USS_Ronald_Reagan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Trading comment karma for link karma

                  [–]Reddy_McRedcap 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Or send baseball players to testify in front of congress about using steroids.

                  [–]lifewontwait86 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Football IS America.

                  [–]Blahblahblahinternet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Until you're in that situation.

                  [–]ChronoTravis85 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Its money, man. The NFL is big big business, so implications of cheating are a big big deal. It is to the US what FIFA is to the UK.

                  [–]Blahblahblahinternet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Until you're in that situation.

                  [–]RRettig 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Is deflating a football an advantage? If so wouldn't the other team get that same advantage?

                  [–]VacationAwayFromWork -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Players have their own preferences but there are guidelines from the NFL that dictate what the pressure out to be, to keep things uniform and "fair".

                  And teams use their own balls.

                  In this case, some of the balls that the Patriots used were measured as slightly underinflated, though the sampling was a bit sloppy and the results were within a reasonable deviation based on timing and temperature (the volume/internal air pressure of a ball changes depending on the temperature outside the ball).

                  The Patriots thought they got railroaded by the NFL and a judge just agreed.

                  [–]Rob_1089 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's important because a team uses their own footballs for when they're on offense, and the other team uses their own footballs for offense. It's easier to catch a ball with less air in it, so deflating it would be an issue.

                  Brady didn't do it though.

                  [–]Doogius 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  On the other hand, there are plenty of legitimate lawsuits involving college players trying getting their balls deflated.

                  [–]DirtyDan257 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  How does this have so many upvotes when everyone is shitting on the post and OP in the comments?

                  [–]420big_poppa_pump420 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Because it is often the case that people who agree with something just upvote the thread and move on. People who disagree with something will still downvote, but they'll also enter the comments to call OP a moron.

                  [–]JonnyHall 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Don't you people know that courts are reserved for teens who were sexting? https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3jf88n/teens_who_take_nude_selfie_photos_face_adult_sex/

                  Way too crowded. Everyone will just have to settle for those dark-age college tribunals where you don't even get to defend yourself.

                  [–]Takeme2yourleader 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It wasn't about that silly head. It's about employee employer treatment.

                  [–]fuckgreenteam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I think it's totally plausible to bring this to court. Football is a multi billion dollar industry, when people cheat, it should not be over looked as "just a game".

                  [–]Iamgoingtooffendyou 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  But it's football, what American watch when they aren't working, eating, shopping, and sleeping.

                  [–]ioncloud9 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Even if this blantantly false premise was correct, that it was about deflated balls, so fucking what? There are court cases for "more important things" scheduled already. If you have a problem with the way America is going, why not try and change where the laws are made instead of where they are enforced and ruled on in courts.

                  [–]Basdad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  And regardless, nothing is going to happen.

                  [–]OnTheEveOfWar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Ohh here comes the anti-sports reddit circlejerk!!

                  [–]yaavsp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  OP is a pretty good example of those who don't understand the law of the land. It had nothing to do with footballs bud. Employee rights.

                  [–]improvyourfaceoff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I don't exactly give a fuck about Tom Brady but this is some bullshit. First of all, the level (state or federal) at which a case is tried is not determined by the importance assigned to the case. It is determined by what laws are being brought into question.

                  More importantly, labeling lawsuits over any legitimate civil grievance (i.e. grievances that are truthful and have a genuine impact on a person's life) as frivolous only serves to discourage people from seeking a just outcome when dealing with powerful corporations like the NFL. A judge has the power to throw out a case if he or she thinks it is frivolous.Tom Brady got a lot of attention because Tom Brady is a well known public figure, that has nothing to do with his legal rights.

                  Though tort reform isn't exactly a hot political buzzword right now there's a history of associating conflicts between big corporations and individuals with vapidity and instant gratification/handout culture. As such it doesn't exactly surprise me to see someone associating this case with celebrity worship culture. It's all well and good to be wary of focusing too much on entertainment but just because this mindset has a nice cynical feel to it doesn't mean it's immune from exploitation.

                  [–]killacam925 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Thank you, this seems like a blatant misuse of the judiciary system

                  [–]my_screenname_sucks 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  When did shit like this become important? It's ridiculous. Athletes, some of whom are complete douche bags and behave like dicks off the field are held up like they've done something important. So you can catch a ball and fucking run. Tell me how this is contributing anything to society? Seriously...I would like to know. What about the EMT's that work their asses off to save people's lives? How about that doctor that's developing something that's going to save lives? How about the everyday people who work with the homeless and other disadvantaged people to improve their lives? It's pretty fucked up that they don't matter as much as some asshole taking some air out of a football. America has her priorities all fucked up.

                  [–]Boltizar -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I live in New England. I live in a part of my country where nobody stops talking about football, even in the off season.

                  I know football is starting back up because the radio station I listen to at work wasn't only talking about it, but has been devoting a rather large portion of their airtime to it (or at the very least part of it that lines up with my shift). Since the Patriots won (again), all I've been hearing all spring and summer is "We're the home of the World Champion New England Patriots!" I had to hear people bitch about deflate-gate then and have to hear people bitch about deflate-gate now. I hear about football when it's in season and when it's supposed to be over.

                  I hate football. It's a stupid sport, it's boring, it's boorish, the fans are obnoxious, it monopolizes discussion, and worst of all it's inescapable for me. I hate it so much and I just want people to shut the fuck up about it.

                  [–]bloodyragz -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's not bad enough an ultra-nationalistic sport which is already hugely profitable is already heavily subsidized by the tax payer, they have to take everything to the extreme.

                  [–]so-cal_kid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This isn't nearly as bad as the time we sent all those baseball players to testify because they used some roids. Clearly we had more important things to worry about.

                  [–]IkonikK 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Chief Justice John Roberts, is that you?

                  [–]wall_sock 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It was a dispute over the collective bargaining agreement between the union and owners. The judge wasn't deciding if Brady was deflating balls, though the judge said the evidence of deflating balls was weak.

                  [–]BigBrownDownTown 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's not a case about deflating balls, it's an employee suing his employer over a bullshit punishment, one that would cost the employee 2.5 million dollars. That's worth taking a look at.

                  [–]Ranndym 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Actually this was one of the things that's right about America. Goodell clearly was in violation of the labor agreement. He abused his authority and punished Brady with no evidence. Do I think Brady was in on it? Yes, and also irrelevant. There just isn't any definitive proof Brady was in on it.

                  [–]iTsPriMeTiiMe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Alright everyone with their panties in a bundle...it was just a joke...I realize now that the case was much more significant than I previously assumed. I have not spent any time following it because I was sick of hearing it and thought of it as incredibly insignificant compared to other issues. I realize now that it actually is an important stepping stone regarding mediations between employees and their unions and big organizations like the NFL. I was under the impression that the federal judge was hearing the case to decide whether indeed the balls were delated and that is why I thought it was ridiculous. Regardless, I think we can all agree that the ridiculous part is that this case has been national headlines for months and been referred to as "Deflate-Gate". If I was Tom Brady I would have done the same thing.. we good? Or are you going to keep down-voting me and trying to take away my one moment of fame

                  [–]stevebates14 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  my one moment of fame

                  What the hell did I just read?

                  [–]iTsPriMeTiiMe[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It was a joke..I've never been on the front page of Reddit. Wasn't that pretty self-explanatory?

                  [–]papacdub -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  merely distractions for the masses that don't care about what our gov is really doing.

                  [–]majesticjell0 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  How about we prosecute people for their wrong doings. Where the game of football may not be as important as say geo-political events and whatnot, there are rules and ethics associated with both that should be upheld respectively. He's a cheater and should be penalized as such. Tom Brady is a piece of trash.

                  [–]Rob_1089 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Fuck you tom Brady is good

                  [–]wkdravenna -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Tom Brady didn't deflate any footballs anyways. They said some other people did it.

                  Its like you gaining weight because of all the cheeseburgers your friends eat. Makes no sense.

                  [–]Rhonin1313 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Eh, I would say a more appropriate analogy here would be Tom Brady demanding you shove cheeseburgers in his mouth and saying it wasn't his fault he got fat.

                  [–]OOH_WEBBY 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Or more like you not doing anything, then everyone lying and manipulating data to look like you got fat.

                  [–]topherwolf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Tom actually gave the rulebook to the refs before the AFC title game and specifically pointed out that the lowest limit was 12.5 psi

                  [–]wkdravenna 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Why such hate ?

                  [–]Rhonin1313 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Dolphin fan... I was born with it. (I'll agree 4 games was def way too much, but BS he didn't do it lol).

                  [–]JZPotter -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's just popularity and people being stupid.

                  [–]Lcat84 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Uh there are way more things wrong with America than this. When trump is able to run for president and the fact that Obama is president means our country has failed miserably. And then some...

                  [–]Xeno_man 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The fact that Trump can run for president is not a bad thing. The fact that he has any meaningful support is what is wrong with America.

                  [–]ThisVersionOfMyself -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Think of it this way. David Beckham was accused of overinflating soccer balls. His team won whatever national championship because he did. The soccer league decided to punish him without total verification. How much do you think him, his team and his players union would fight that in the uk courts?

                  But fuck tom brady, he hasnt won a single championship without a cheating cloud over his head, no matter how good he is. And yeah, fuck the sports worship culture of this shit country. :p

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