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My dad has a small business in Saudi and works in the oil industry and he just recently shifted to Khobar (Saudi Arabia). Our new neighbors are from Kerala (guy works in IT industry and his wife is stay at home mom) and my mom has become really good friends with the lady. The thing is, this Kerala lady does not speak Hindi at all and both have to resort to speaking English around each other. In Pakistan, this is unthinkable because everyone can understand Urdu. How does it work in India? Not talking about the educated people who can speak English but those folks who don't and speak only in their native language.

Edit: thanks alot for the replies. Learned how incredibly diverse this country is

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[–]IndianopoliceMumbai 56ポイント57ポイント  (25子コメント)

India is a multi-language country. Hindi is mostly sopken in north and west India with variations.

Don't expect all Indians to speak Hindi. And dialect changes every 200 kms. https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/3cs11b/some_facts_on_indian_languages/

[–]KingJamesXPakistan[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (24子コメント)

That's honestly incredible.

[–]sammyedwards 13ポイント14ポイント  (23子コメント)

Tbh, I am surprised that it is not similar in Pakistan. I have a Pakistani friend who speaks Brahui and can barely speak Urdu. I always assumed that since Brahui is also a Dravidian language, the speakers face the same issue as South and North East Indians face.

[–]KingJamesXPakistan[S] 17ポイント18ポイント  (22子コメント)

Pakistan is an artificial state and to bridge the divide between different ethnic groups, Ayub khan in 1950s made Urdu a national language and mandatory in all schools. Obviously this backfired as alienation increased among bengalis which led to 1971 war.

[–]sammyedwards 16ポイント17ポイント  (20子コメント)

I'm thankful that India didn't go down this route like Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Language forms a very important part of one's identity, and forced homogenization only exacerbates the differences.

[–]klug3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have heard that the move wasn't particularly popular among Sindhi and Punjabi Speakers either.

[–]kuttanpilla 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

ITT: A Pakistani instigates Indians to fight over languages.

[–]conqueror_of_destinyDoing it tonight 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Latest conspiracy of ISI.

[–]SweetSweetInternetIconoclast 70ポイント71ポイント  (20子コメント)

My colleague who sits besides me knows 4 languages, I also 4 languages, we can, however, only communicate in English.

[–]sarsatBenne Dose Bhakta! 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

I also 4 languages

Obviously, English isn't one of them :P

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    [–]Frooglerhungry for Britannia AccheyDin™ 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My parents can understand Hindi but are uncomfortable speaking it. We once met a Hindi couple on a train and that lady would speak in Hindi and my mom would reply in a mix of broken Hindi and broken English.

    Same goes for me. Although my Hindi is much better, I am out of touch and often talk to my friends in English (with bit of Hindi thrown in) even as they speak completely in Hindi.

    There are a lot of migrant workers down south who just learn the language. Same goes for South Indians who go to the North. In fact, this "problem" is more pronounced in South where people from Tamil Nadu, Andhra, Karnataka, Kerala mingle in the various big cities. So as it goes, Tamilians know a bit of Telugu and Malayalam and vice versa. You just create a mish-mash language and communicate.

    It's not too different from when you would go to a place like Germany for work.

    [–]bishopsandrookscondescending dick 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Exact same thing happened when we moved to Chennai in TN. My mom and our land lady became good friends, however they could only speak in broken English.

    English works as a link language since everyone wants to learn it.

    [–]PWAERL 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I am from Kerala and I am pretty sure the lady understands Hindi quite well. We are taught it. The problem is it is not a language you ever have to use if you are living in Kerala. So we never learn how to speak it. That happens sometimes, you understand a language but it simply won't come out of your mouth. Also, Hindi sounds weird / funny with a Malayali accent and we know it.

    My information could be outdated since I moved north in my teens and have been here ever since.

    [–]ithesatyr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    naah.. its actually nice dude..

    [–]doktor_theഊമ്പൻ ചാണ്ടി 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Hi there, I'm from Kerala. There is no need to be amazed, almost everyone in our state is educated and can understand Hindi and English. We use Malayalam and English as our official languages and there is English used everywhere in our state. All the location boards, government circulars etc. also use English. Our primary education has two variants, one taught in English and another in Malayalam(English being the majority) while all college level education is in English. We also have close to 100% literacy rate and the number of women are more than men.

    She's able to handle English better because it is easier and more familiar to her rather than Hindi. The only time you have to use Hindi in Kerala is if you write an exam or talk to a North Indian. Our tourist culture also influence the population's need to learn English as their lively hood may one day depend on it(and people are well aware of it).

    [–]SilverSw0rdBread Ka Badshah + Omelette Ka Rajja = Bajaj Super 29ポイント30ポイント  (181子コメント)

    India has tons of languages. Nearly every state has one dominant language going around, and the number of dialects are mind boggling. Wikipedia page on India's languages leaves many stunned.

    We do not have a national language either.

    We never pushed the language supremacy. That was the mistake committed by w.pak towards e.pak

    [–]funmohan 50ポイント51ポイント  (104子コメント)

    We never pushed the language supremacy.

    Disagree. You are probably a Northie, but as a southie, I have always felt Hindi is forced on south indian states.

    Here are some examples:

    https://twitter.com/MalleshBelavadi/status/635300730488815616 https://twitter.com/logeshkumark/status/634689936461967360 https://twitter.com/venkkiram/status/635383433141821440 https://twitter.com/coffeewithkiran/status/635361076922609664 https://twitter.com/autisuresh/status/635330444075008001

    Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha is funded by tax payer money, but for what purpose? It is identified as an institution of national importance. Why so? Why are railway announcements in remote corners of South Indian states in either Hindi or English? A common man living in a remote corner of a state like AP will never use Hindi. Heck, few south indian states collectively contribute to the GDP more than all the Hindi belt states combined.

    http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/railwayboard/uploads/directorate/security/rpf/Files/law/BareActs/dakshin_bharatact1964.html

    Edit:

    There are as many Tamilians as there are Mongolians. There are as many Kannadiga's as Filipino's in Philippine. There are as many Marathi's as there are Sri Lankans.

    Why don't Tamil, Kannada and Marathi deserve to be on public billboards? They are ancient languages as well and some dravidian languages are as old as Sanskrit itself.

    That was the mistake committed by w.pak towards e.pak

    You are probably right, but if we go by same logic, don't be surprised if South India secedes from North India in the future.

    End of rant

    Edit 2: TLDR: All those who think Hindi is superior to other languages can go fuck themselves.

    [–]Malaai_Lama 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Being a North Indian I can say without any hesitation that this guy is right! Government has no right to impose any language on people because language is a large part of identity of people of a region. Imagine railway announcements in Tamil in Delhi, how would we feel? This country is theirs as much as it is ours! I hope government wakes up and addresses this issue soon!

    [–]chipsnmilk 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Not to nit pick but railway announcements happen in three languages, hindi, english and regional. At least, that's what I heard when I was at railway station yesterday.

    [–]The_0bserverListen to me .... x6 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yup. These announcements happen in three-part.

    For example: In Goa, it will be -> English, Hindi, Konkani

    In kerala it will be -> English, hindi, Malayalam.

    In Karnataka it will be English, Hindi, Kannada.

    No clue how it is in the Hindi belt.

    [–]chipsnmilk 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Pretty much in Hindi and english. In eastern and western states, same H+E+R protocol is followed.

    [–]sammyedwards 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Even in chhattisgarh, the same HER principle is followed.

    [–]stash0606 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    and they call the US diverse.

    [–]voracreadread everything 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This point is not understood by so many others around here! Thank you.

    [–]mmapzachill maadi 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The moment I read, "We never pushed the language supremacy" I cracked my fingers and was ready to post a huge rant. But you covered it well. Good job! :D

    [–]qpaw 14ポイント15ポイント  (17子コメント)

    Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha

    Lel. I was in Kerala for sometime and these guys used to hold a Hindi sammelan or something every year. You know the kind where they invite kids from all over the state for debate, essay writing, poem singing etc. Our teacher had such a hard time getting guys to participate in it and ours was one of the top schools in that area. Watching little mallu kids singing "Baar baar aati hai mujhko madhur yaad bachpan.." in their cute mallu accents - it was funny. Most of them didn't even understand what the words meant and were just mugging up the lines.

    [–]funmohan 8ポイント9ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Remember the Hindi exams we were forced to give?

    Parichaya, Prathamik, Madhyama, Rashtrabhasha, Praveshika, Rashtrabhasha Visharad, Rashtrabhasha Praveen, and Nishnath.

    I made it till Madhyama. It was a huge achievement of sorts. Cringe.

    [–]qpaw 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah. That too. Kids in my schools would always try to find excuse to skip those. And one time our Hindi teacher called all the parents to complain that their kids hadn't given that exam and the ones that had had flunked. Most of the parents didn't give a f*ck. I sometimes felt bad for our Hindi teacher.

    [–]ARflash 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I made it to prevesika. I still can't understand Hindi well enough. After they removed Hindi from subjects during 10th standard, I suddenly became class topper. Hindi was holding me back

    [–]phtarkJab Kismat ho gaandu to kya kare paandu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I grew up in the north and still sucked at Hindi exams. Most of my friends did...it's because the language we spoke was an ugly love child of Hindi, Punjabi, English and what have you.

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      [–]multicore_manticore 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      DRDO has a Hindi week where even the memos are issued in Hindi.

      [–]humanoid_X563125 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      wrong priorities...

      [–]multicore_manticore 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, they should have a week where they deliver projects on time.

      [–]theguywhoreadsbooks 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Aren't railway announcements in 3 languages? English, Hindi and the local language..

      [–]TaazaPlazaEN/Sau. N | HI/UR B1 | ES A2 | 中文 ~ HSK2 | TÜ/DE Beg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yep.

      [–]dopamine86 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      As a southie, I agree with you.

      [–]god_of_seamenrespect_my_authoritah 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think their idea is given enough time and effort, South Indians would just forget their language and culture and accept the divine language that is Hindi and thereby become 'true Indians'. /s

      [–]SilverSw0rdBread Ka Badshah + Omelette Ka Rajja = Bajaj Super 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      don't be surprised if South India secedes from North India in the future.

      Not happening. We are past that era where such idiocy could have been a thing. We have examples and certain amount of maturity to not allow such stupidity to take place.

      All those who think Hindi is superior to other languages can go fuck themselves.

      Agreed. I dont want the country to promote utter stupidity by favoring one language. Personal pref cant be challenged though.

      [–]BoOogaBoOoga 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The thing about India is, there are so many divisions of language, caste, religion, ethnicity, that it is impossible for one of them to dominate. And thus, they survive together, while still being separate, in some kind of a complex Mosaic.

      [–]gentlemenprefrtrollsHorn Ok Please 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's stupid if it happens now because it means collapse of entire Indian economy - both north and south.

      But it's not an impossible scenario especially if there was another world war or some shit. A united India has been very fragile throughout history and India itself is a very modern concept. I know people say Bharatha desha and shit but that is exactly what it is. A prose in a book. The ground reality has been different.

      [–]redhatGizmoहम लोग... 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

      TBH other than Hindi no other language is spoken by more than two States.

      [–]conqueror_of_destinyDoing it tonight -2ポイント-1ポイント  (52子コメント)

      The railway announcements are in Hindi and English because a traveller from another area might want to know the schedule of the train and may not know the local language. Hindi and English are used because one of these two languages are understood by the vast majority of people in India.

      Personally, I think the local language warriors are as bigoted as those who seek to impose Hindi.

      [–]GiantAlien5TinyHeadsInternet politeness never killed anyone 15ポイント16ポイント  (13子コメント)

      the local language warriors are as bigoted as those who seek to impose Hindi.

      How do we stop the bigoted hindi imposers? By fighting against it and be called bigots.

      [–]funmohan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Spot on.

      [–]funmohan 3ポイント4ポイント  (35子コメント)

      Where do I find these 'vast majority of people who understand Hindi' in south indian states?

      [–]funmohan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Read my comment again.

      [–]rifinwono 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      all i think is it could be worse. way worse.

      [–]agingmonster 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Regarding Railway Announcements: I've head them in all three languages, English, Hindi and one local, always. Remember that people travelling through railways, even in remote station, can be from any part of country. English and Hindi acts as bridge. Obviously, it's not perfect, but making announcements in 10 languages will have you miss the train, plus people will ask it to made in 30 languages.

      I know that South Indians have this historical complex, and may be there was truth to this, but current level of paranoia is ridiculous. 10 minutes before I read this news: http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/karunanidhi-against-making-hindi-official-language-at-un/article7609529.ece. Now Karunanidhi has problem at Hindi even at UN because it will destroy diversity of country in India.

      [–]BoOogaBoOoga 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Well, you see, south Indians want all languages to be treat at par with Hindi. That is why he is protesting, if hindi, then why not Tamil. Because imposing the supremacy of Hindi in increments will ultimately lead to its domination.

      But why so cynical, you ask. Given the history of North Indian political parties like Jan Sangh, and RSS/BJP, is there any other possibility? The trust in this matter has irrevocably broken.

      [–]agingmonster -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I don't want to get into slug fest but given how TN parties supported Tamil Sri Lankans/LTTE over India's interest shows they are not different or above country for language.

      Regarding treating at par, sure, UN should give official status to one Lakh (assuming, as someone said India itself has 10k) languages of world. Or if not, start with number of speakers and then go down the list. According to this, India should submit proposal for all 22 languages or for 0. That's sure way to get rejected. Move in one by one.

      [–]BoOogaBoOoga 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Im not arguing against that. All parties look for issues. Even language issue is one used by the parties to garner votes. But that does not mean it is not a genuine concern.

      Nor did i oppose India's submission to the UN. Just explained the reason for such opposition. If there had been no controversy, forceful imposition in the past, it may be possible that there would not be such an opposition as there is now.

      [–]tadkaforchutney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Can confirm the 3 language announcements, at-least in Kerala - Malayalam followed by Hindi and English. And some music.

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        [–]TheArcanescoop-poop 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Diversity, bitch!

        [–]KingJamesXPakistan[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (67子コメント)

        Was there ever a time in history in which North and South India were united? What language did they speak then? I always thought that Hindi was understood by everyone there

        [–]RajaRajaC 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

        There have been multiple pan Indian empires uniting different parts of North / South / West / East India. They all used the language of their home country to administer. They also tended to use Sanskrit as a bridge language as the nobility across the country spoke Sanskrit.

        So for instance the Rashtrakuta empire had Kannada and Sanskrit as the official languages. The Chola's used Tamil predominantly, but in their far flung dominions (from Malaysia to Orissa) they used Sanskrit. The Gupta's used a combination Pali mostly, but the nobility / scientists used Sanskrit as a means of discourse.

        Think of ancient India like the Roman empire - the nobility and the 'learned people' across the empire spoke Latin. The common folk spoke whatever language was prevalent in their region. Only here it is the dominant language of the dominant empire along with Sanskrit acting as some sort of bridge language.

        Edit - To add, these pan Indian (or Pan South Indian / Pan North Indian with each covering parts of the other geographies) empires lead to some very interesting social migrations and changes. My maternal family is one such case.

        We are from the Deep South TN and have been there for idk 250 years (that we can trace back to). What interested my uncle and I was the fact that our customs and traditions, passed down from generation to generation had a lot of Telugu (Andhra Pradesh) flavouring to it. For instance, our "Kula Deiyvam or Family deity was one that was located in a temple some 700 km's away while the majority of the families in our village trace this to a deity within 100 odd km's at most. Digging into this further, temples near my village have been discovered (in the 80's) which indicate that this region most probably was administered directly by the Vijayanagar Empire, and my ancestors might have migrated from Andhra (which also came under the sway of the Vijayanagar) to this outpost of the empire to act as administrators.

        See how the dynamics and interplay might work out? And am very certain I am not an isolated case, there could be 10's of thousands of such cases. DNA studies NOT focused on caste, but somehow linking this to ancient empires would be an excellent and interesting study.

        [–]conqueror_of_destinyDoing it tonight 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I find the migration patterns in India very interesting. I traced my family tree in an effort to see where we originally hailed from even though we are currently settled in the Mysore-Bangalore. It turns out that we were a sect of Brahmans who migrated to Thanjavur with the Maratha rulers from Pune sometime in the late 17th century. In 1799, an ancestor of mine migrated to the court of the Mysore Maharajah who had just been restored to the throne after Tipu's defeat, and we have stayed there ever since. Even my Tamil is a mix of Kannada and Tamil ad Sanskrit. Fascinating stuff.

        [–]ARflash 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        My ancestors were farmers and kooli workers who dont have anything interesting to add to. :/

        [–]RajaRajaC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I know that is /s, but my family are still farmers, and we have been farming as far back as we can trace.

        [–]bessiess 9ポイント10ポイント  (29子コメント)

        Geographically India was always a collection of many independent kingdoms. India as a single political entity is primarily a British creation.

        [–]mediaserverornas 8ポイント9ポイント  (28子コメント)

        In modern India yes, but the Mauryas and the Guptas, and to a degree rulers from the Delhi Sultanate did manage to unite almost all of modern India, and some empires even had parts of Afghanistan. Not to mention the SEA tributaries.

        [–]perseus0807 10ポイント11ポイント  (25子コメント)

        the Mauryas and the Guptas

        Neither covered parts of South India, though. Neither did the Maratha empire. Out of curiosity, was there ever a point where TN, Kerala and north India were part of a common kingdom?

        Same goes with the north-East (past modern Bangladesh).

        [–]redweddingsareawesom 3ポイント4ポイント  (14子コメント)

        Don't think so. This is why there are two distinct families of Indian languages - the languages that originate from Sanskrit (Hindi, Urdu etc) and the Dravidian langruages.

        And because pan-Indian kingdoms such as the Maurya or Gupta empires were the exception rather than the norm - languages further split within these two families of languages

        [–]perseus0807 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Hm, there have been massive Dravidian influences on Indo-Aryan languages (and vice-versa), though, so the regions definitely can't have been isolated throughout history.

        [–]redweddingsareawesom 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Yes, both these languages are bound to have lots of loanwords from each other. However, the IndoaAryan and Dravidian languages almost certainly did not originate from the same parent language.

        [–]RajaRajaC 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

        And because pan-Indian kingdoms such as the Maurya or Gupta empires were the exception rather than the norm

        You couldn't be more wrong or North centric.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/3jfpqy/a_question_from_a_pakistani/cup0950

        And seriously NP'ing a comment which is just one above this in the same thread is retarded.

        [–]redweddingsareawesom 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

        As perseus0807 points out, we mean the entire modern India (lets exclude Kashmir and the Northeast for now). None of the examples mentioned cover from Delhi to Kerala and all the intermediate areas of modern Indian in between.

        [–]RajaRajaC 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

        That is an arbitrary yardstick. By that token, not a single empire ruled this territory. Even the Maurya's never penetrated south of the Vindhyas. The Guptas never even came south of the Dandakaranya.

        If you talk... "Akhanda Bharat", the Maurya's would be ok, if you talk modern India, the empires I mentioned, especially the Rashtrakuta's and Satavahanas come the closest to a pan Indian empire.

        [–]redweddingsareawesom 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

        We're talking about why there isn't a single language for the whole of India. Take China for example, the modern borders of China have been ruled by a single central authority (in the forms of various dynasties) since ~200 BCE. This is why the majority of China speaks only one language.

        India (in the sense of modern India, not "Akhand Bharat") hasn't been ruled by a central authority ever (maybe at most 80% at certain points of time) and for the majority of its history less than 50% of its landmass was occupied by a central authority. This explain the diversity of languages in India.

        [–]RajaRajaC 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Seriously, I have no fucking clue why people forget South Indian empires ffs (not directed at you or anybody, but more of a general rant)

        The Rashtrakuta's covered a fair bit of the South, West and reached right upto MP and parts of UP. It also covered the whole of Maha and parts of Gujarat.

        The Chalukya's covered all of AP, Karnataka, Maha, Southern Gujarat, and southern MP with small parts of TN and Kerala.

        The Vijayanagara Empire covered all of SI, and parts of Maha and Orissa, but doesn't fit the criterion for north India.

        The best fit to this would be the Satavahanas - All of South India (minus the extreme South held by the Cholas and the Pandyas who weirdly had parts of Kerala under their sway, I think the Cheras were feudatory at this point in time), all of Maha, large parts of MP, reaching upto UP and a large swathe of Gujarat.

        Am sure there are more such examples, but these are what come to mind.

        Edit - Forgot the 800 pound Gorilla - the Mughals under Aurangazeb.

        [–]perseus0807 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

        You missed my point, I was saying that the entire modern India (even excluding the north-east) was never part of one empire. I might be wrong here, but the only two empires I can recall off the top of my head that held the entire south were the Cholas and the Vijayanagara empire.

        [–]RajaRajaC 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

        If you mean the FULL south or Full north? I don't think it has ever happened, but almost all the South INdian empires I listed above held almost 90% of the south with figures from 10-40% of central India, most of the time they also held 80-90% of Maharashtra with various empires holding between 5-20% of Guj and parts of Southern UP.

        That is pretty pan Indian in my books.

        Oh, the Cholas never held the whole of South India, their eternal enemies the Vengi Chalukya fought them for nearly 300 odd years (what a movie or book series this would make, the plot twists and revenge sagas, the murders, the intrigue....fuck, some talented writer needs to get on with it) till FINALLY ~ 1100 AD they had to give up and became feudatory to the Cholas. By then though, the Western Chaluykyas declared independence and decided to fuck with the Cholas. Barely had they defeated this when the Pandyas, finally came back into the game, aided by an assorted alliance of the Western Chalukya's and Kalinga.

        Interestingly, the most capable Chola ruler after Raja Raja presided over a much reduced kingdom. The final end came when the resurgent Pandyas invaded the heartland of Chola territory and when the Hosyalas decided to say fuck it and sat that war out.

        Thus was ended the Chola Empire. But seriously, try and read about just this period (600 AD -1,200 AD), it would put to shame any modern epic in just about everything - the grand sweep, kingdoms rising and falling, massive armies on the march everywhere, intrigue, plotting, assassinations, betrayals, some deft statecraft....has just about everything.

        To answer your question, the Rashtrakuta's and Satavahanas held larger tracts of South India (and indeed were very large empires).

        [–]shadowfax47dafuq u doin 2 ma beaaa 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        what a movie or book series this would make

        Immadi Pulakeshi (Dr. Rajkumar movie), gives a pretty good idea of Pulakeshi II's rule/ Chola-Chalukya conflicts.

        [–]RabindranathTagWhore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        All empires came close, but not entirely. Am I getting this right?

        [–]Sri92 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Cholas never held the whole of South India, their eternal enemies the Vengi Chalukya fought them for nearly 300 odd years

        IIRC This is not true. I believe from the first decade of 1000 to 1050 cholas had a great hegemony over the south india. Also cholas had this predilection to get huge tributaries from their conquered kingdoms and to appoint vassals. See how cholas under bheema, a illustrious naval commander, pretty much dominated the ASEAN countries around circa 1030.

        Oh, the Cholas never held the whole of South India, their eternal enemies the Vengi Chalukya fought them for nearly 300 odd years

        Wrong.Cholas arch rivals were Chalukyas of kalyani which is different from vengi chalukyas. The vengi chalukyas (or Eastern chalukyas) were actually very convivial to Cholas due to their inter marriages. They were so close to an extent that an Eastern chalukya prince (Kulothunga 1) succeded Veera Rajendra to the Chola throne.

        Interestingly, the most capable Chola ruler after Raja Raja presided over a much reduced kingdom. The final end came when the resurgent Pandyas invaded the heartland of Chola territory and when the Hosyalas decided to say fuck it and sat that war out.

        This is also incorrect. The very next king after Rajaraja was Rajendra who pretty much conquered (Again cholas appointed vassals after receiving huge tributes but as i am not an professional historian i don't know if it fits the definition of conquest) not only the south india but pretty much the whole south east asia! In-fact he amassed such a massive tributes from all over the ASEAN countries , he went on to eclipse your namesake by building not only a monumental temple but a Huge city called Cholapuram out of nowhere!

        Even after Rajendra, his three sons were quite competent, ofcourse not as good as him, and able to hold onto the tinderbox Vengi although at a costly internecine wars with kalyani chalukyas. Only because there were no direct successors to the cholas, Kulothunga ascended the throne. He was also a great conqueror and he successfully invaded the Odissa under his much famed commander Karunakaran ( a beautiful tamil poem named 'Kaligathuparani' was a contemporary account). cholas were anything but provincial after Rajaraja were totally unfounded.

        Ofcourse i am not a professional historian and only have amateurish interests in history. So feel free to correct me if you have sources.

        Source: N.Shastri 'Cholas'

        [–]sammyedwards 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Nope. The closest I think was Samudragupta, who expanded till Kanchipuram. And no Indian king went beyond Assam and Bangladesh.

        [–]qpaw 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Maratha empire did cover part of South India. Remember reading about Peshwas ruling parts of Tamil Nadu for sometime. On mobile now so can't link.

        Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanjavur_Maratha_kingdom

        [–]mediaserverornas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I was taking the deccan as a part of the south. That's why I said almost. The parts after bangladesh, I don't think they've been a part of a united Indian empire but I do think they've been a part of Indian kingdoms.

        [–]FossilisedTooth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The Tughlaqs arguably. They had control as far south as Madurai.

        They missed out on Bengal though

        [–]gentlemenprefrtrollsHorn Ok Please 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Those were the exceptions. Not the norm.

        FWIW Delhi Sultanate is as foreign as the Roman Empire in Tamil Nadu.

        [–]mediaserverornas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Never said they were the norm...

        [–]vartmaanbutthurt.. butthurt everywhere 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I am northie i have been to south. I spoke english all day long!

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          [–]DarthSimian 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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          [–]masterveerappanGive me your Sandalwood, I'll give you Freedom 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

          That was not the only mistake, though. They were culturally different, and the West Pakistanis felt superior to the then East Pakistanis.

          Come to think of it, if Independent India was split into two separate land masses by the British, with Pakistan sitting in the middle (hypothetically), South India may have probably split from North India for the very same reasons.

          [–]SilverSw0rdBread Ka Badshah + Omelette Ka Rajja = Bajaj Super 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Bhai mere, and i say the following with all due respect.. that let us not make this a recap of what transpired in 71 or prior to that vis a vis the two factions of pak. OP's query is not gonna get resolved by a history lesson that he prolly knows.

          [–]ugknite 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          We never pushed the language supremacy. That was the mistake committed by w.pak towards e.pak

          Nehru had tried making Hindi the official language and English was supposed to be removed after 60s (can't remember the exact year). There was a backlash so that never happened.

          [–]SilverSw0rdBread Ka Badshah + Omelette Ka Rajja = Bajaj Super 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          'Pushing for language to be made mandatory' is very different. He may have tried it and i am glad that he got the befitting reply.

          [–]babamcrib 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

          ITT: Pakistani infiltrator successfully (if unintentionally) sparks regional division in r/india...

          [–]gentlemenprefrtrollsHorn Ok Please 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ISI agent thinking how he can forment unrest with a pigeon.

          [–]Paranoid__Android 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Am not from Kerala, but have a few family members from Kerala now. If these guys are from any major Kerala city - they understand Hindi just ok. May be your mom is speaking very chaste Urdu - which these guys would miss 10-20% of.

          They are speaking in English, because that is the default mode in Indian urban population when faced with another Urban Indian from some other region.

          Switching between English and regional language (including the largest regional language of Hindi) is so commonplace in India that the only time I am reminded of this is when my American friends visit and express their amazement at how many different languages we are speaking.

          Just Indian things!

          On a side note: My kids now speak 2 languages that I barely understand thanks to the state that we are living in now. That is in addition to English and Hindi. They will soon start to speak Kashmiri as well, after which - I will understand 3/5 languages that they speak. My wife will understand 3/5 languages they speak. There will be one language that the kids speak that neither of us speaks. The other day, my son wrote a Hindi word in English (Aatuh - for Flour) without any thought. I laughed and made a quip, and he was genuinely confused. Then I realized that he has just learned to read one language - English, so he thinks that every other language he speaks is actually written in English. I love the modern world, and how it forces diversity onto you. Very healthy in the longer run.

          [–]KingJamesXPakistan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

          My mom knows Hindi/Urdu just fine because we grew up in gulf and we interact with Indian Muslims daily. Heck, our best family friends are from Rajastan lol. There's a reason why we were all surprised.

          [–]Paranoid__Android 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Its a graduate continuum which can create issues. I will tell you what I mean. Your mom's Hindi/Urdu may be close to the Lahori mean. This may be 10% away from the Lucknowi Hindi. Lucknowi Hindi is around 20% different than Mumbaiya Hindi. By the time you get to Kerela, the delta between your Urdu and the Hindi that a mallu knows is significant. The basic latticework of Hindi has many more Urdu/Persian nodes in your language, and it has many more Sanskrit/pure Hindi nodes in our version. As a result, there are fewer nodes to cling onto for a Mallu person who is much more familiar with many Sanskrit nodes.

          As an example - even some one like me - who is at native fluency in Urdu, struggle with certain aspect of Pakistani TV.

          [–]indnthrowayPM me if you're interested in being my rakhi sister 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Is Hindi spoken in Pakistan?

          [–]KingJamesXPakistan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

          90% of Hindi is similar to that of Urdu. The 10% is has become understandable now due to Bollywood. If you're from India, you won't notice much difference between Urdu and Hindi anyway besides some persian influence on Urdu.

          [–]tadkaforchutney 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Late to this party, but here is some more perspective. I am from Kerala, and my SO is a Punjabi from Haryana. We speak to each other in English. When I go to her native place, I survive with Hindi and broken Punjabi. When she comes to my native place, she survives with broken Malayalam. Our respective parents talk to each other in broken Hindi and English.

          I grew up hearing and watching movies and listening to songs from at-least 4 languages: Malayalam, Tamil, Hindi and English. My parents had the same experience dating back to 50s-60s. Getting introduced to a new language is also like seeing a new culture to some extent - in that context, we knew exactly what it meant when the school text books proclaimed India is a country with rich diversity. My SO gets this context only partially, and I have a feeling it is partly due to lack of exposure to the meaning of diversity when they were kids.

          [–]crunchycrayola 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That, I reckon, is the beauty of India. I went to Kerala and Tamil Nadu (the neighbouring state) not being able to speak a lick of Malayalam and Tamil. To traverse those lands w/o speaking any of those languages is genuinely fun. Chaotic and frustrating, but fun.

          [–]xp30000vizagite వైజాగ్ పిడుగు 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

          You haven't mentioned how old the Kerala lady is. If she is under 35 is very likely she understands Hindi (at say bollywood level) but can't speak it fluently. She might think it is better to just speak in english rather than struggle in Hindi. Plus, there is always people making fun of southies speaking hindi in an accented way (in good spirit), so she might be conscious.

          [–]KingJamesXPakistan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          They are a newly wed couple and just recently shifted to Saudi but your point makes sense.

          [–]bhanukiran444 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I'm from bangalore (south India) and i know 7 languages and hindi is not one of them.

          [–]radconradIdle 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Err. C and Java are not the languages being talked about here.

          [–]connoisseuralpha 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          woah! which are the 7 may I ask?

          [–]ARflash 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I can guess it includes 4 south Indian languages and English. For the remaining 2. It may be something like French , German or Spanish.

          [–]vartmaanbutthurt.. butthurt everywhere 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Not talking about the educated people who can speak English but those folks who don't and speak only in their native language.

          Everyone speaks English. It may be broken or something but they do convay what they want to say.

          Source- been there(south) done that. I am northie.

          [–]maximalist_tricity 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          North and South have a great variation as far as languages are concerned. So much so that when the Central govt. sought to elevate Hindi as a national language, there was a severe opposition in the south. Regarding interaction, people manage with broken hindi and english. The fact is that after the IT boom, which was, at least in the beginning, restricted to Southern (although cosmopolitan) cities like Bangalore & Hyderabad, most people in South can manage interacting with North Indians since large number of North Indians work in IT firms in South.

          [–]bhodrolok 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Err... My wife and me both speak 4 languages however the only common ones are Hindi and English and not our native ones!

          [–]anandmohanbokaroपड़ोसी से प्रेम करो। 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Had it not been better that both of you do not understand other's set of 4 languages.

          [–]pakaomat 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Indian government never/couldn't force a concept of national language in India. It is not mandatory to learn Hindustani if you are an Indian.

          [–]SiriusLeeSamSunny Leone bhakt 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Da fuq is Hindustani

          [–]Brainfuckkoso asa patrao? 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

          The language you see in Bollywood movies is Hindustani.(Hindi + Urdu)

          The language you see on DD News is Hindi

          The language on PTV news will be Urdu

          [–]SiriusLeeSamSunny Leone bhakt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Oooook

          [–]sammyedwards 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The original Hindu+ Urdu language, which got butchered with Partition.

          [–]sa1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hindi+Urdu

          [–]phtarkJab Kismat ho gaandu to kya kare paandu 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

          It is however mandatory to kindly to the needful and learn to speak Indian /s

          [–]badakow 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I will revert back to you on that :P

          [–]connoisseuralpha 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Please. Will you all take your seat?

          [–]badakow 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          What is your good name sir?

          [–]itouch4gsudo apt-get install girlfriend 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Is this a class or a fish market? I need pin drop silence in the class.

          [–]humanoid_X563125 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It is unfortunate that people around the world think Hindi is the only language in India but actually in contrast India is very diverse in languages and culture.

          It is high time Government of India gives equal respect to all the 22 major languages and stop imposing Hindi.

          [–]qpaw 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

          Hindi/Hindusthani is not our national language and Bollywood is not our only movie industry.

          Also, a significant portion of population from North and South India would not have stepped into the other side. There is no need also. I can even go ahead and say that there are more chances of a young, educated South Indian going to London/New York than to Delhi (not including layovers, lel). No sources for any of the above and it's purely assumption.

          So why burden yourself with learning a new language to communicate with a Northie when both of you already know English.

          [–]KingJamesXPakistan[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

          I just find it surprising that a language from west is being used as a common language as opposed to a native one.

          [–]arun84 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

          English is the language of jobs and the economy. So anyone who works in a white collar job will generally know English but a south indian who was schooled all his life in Tamil nadu, went to college there and got a job there will most likely not know Hindi or will know very broken Hindi at best (there is no need to know it). He will know Tamil because that's the local language and English because that's the "economic" language.

          Most people will know languages that they need in one of these: home, school, work, local environment. It is very much possible for someone living in Tamil nadu or kerela to not have encountered hindi in any of these places.

          [–]KingJamesXPakistan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Ah, thanks for the info!

          [–]gentlemenprefrtrollsHorn Ok Please 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Plus I shall add that for majority of South Indians, Hindi is as foreign as English. It's a totally different language. So only economic sense prevails while learning.

          Plus Hindi not equal to Hindustan. Its wrong to say Hindi is native to all of India because the corollary would be that South India is not part of India as it doesn't speak Hindi.

          [–]trctn4238934We talk like this vonly. 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Think of it this way. From the perspective of South Indians learning English has a lot more uses than learning Hindi. Strictly speaking neither English nor Hindi are actually native to them. So naturally if they have to choose one language they would choose English.

          [–]thisisshantzzगालियाँ देने पर विवश ना करें| 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

          India is not a nation state like most other countries in the world. Hindi is a regional language just like other languages like Punjabi, Bengali, Tamil, Malayalam etc. The thing is that most Indians speak and understand Hindi and this gives people an illusion that everyone speaks Hindi. Also, Bollywood overshadows other Indian film industries when it comes to popularity in India and the world. Think of how it was with Pakistan before 1971, when you had both the East and the West. How did you guys communicate with the locals of the erstwhile East Pakistan? They didn't understand Urdu.

          As for how we communicate when two such people meet, it would mostly happen with English if the two are educated. It is very unlikely that two Indians who don't know a common language (however broken their command over it is) would meet. If they do, then God help them.

          [–]blahmhinbikanasi 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Tendulkar once narrated a story where the batsmen in the middle didn't understand a word of each other's language. It can be funny at times but can be handled.

          [–]uncle-scroogeTS CM = 420 = AP CM 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          sauce please ... wanna read the story

          [–]itouch4gsudo apt-get install girlfriend 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Seconded. OP please share the article if you can find it.

          [–]redinuser 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hindi is as foreign to them as English is.

          [–]Ramu92 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Because English is a necessity, Hindi is not.

          [–]kumarsings 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          India: tons of languages of all sorts but one gets the impression there's one kind of job: fucking IT

          [–]platinumgus18Hailo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Has anyone even answered your question here? How do the natives talk to each other? They just learn the language if they are coming in contact after migrating to a place or don't talk at all, they try to find people from their state to help them communicate.

          [–]ghanta_wale_babasufi master race 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

          ...except parts of UP/Bihar where the only language common folk speak is a dialect of Hindi. The educated ones understand English and can speak to a certain extent. I am a north Indian who migrated to Bangalore in search of jobs many years ago. I speak Hindi, English, Punjabi, Kannada - in that order. Here in Bangalore, I speak to all types of people in English, then a mix of English and Hindi and if nothing else works I use my google fu to converse in Kannada.

          [–]anandmohanbokaroपड़ोसी से प्रेम करो। 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Oolloo ..who told you UP BIHAR speaks only HINDI... And only educated know english.

          My parents speak Bhojpuri. And grandfather was excellent in english(not joking...he served in BCCL under british officer..the land of Wasseypur).

          My wife from Aligarh has ancestral village in Hathras. Her folks speak Brijbhasha. Most of the people at my Place in Jharkhand know better english than some lungis who were taught in Mallu.in college. I am from REC ALLAHABAD. And know people from all the state. The bridge was mostly English.

          [–]ghanta_wale_babasufi master race 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I dont understand what you are contesting. Are Brijbhasha and Bhojpuri not dialects of Hindi? Educated people speak and understand English. You seem to be re-enforcing my arguments with anecdotes.

          [–]anandmohanbokaroपड़ोसी से प्रेम करो। 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          May be...you are right.

          [–]sammyedwards 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          They aren't. They are languages on their own.They just have been supplanted by Hindi.

          [–]ghanta_wale_babasufi master race 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Brijbhasha isn't

          [–]avoid_silk_board 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It does seem weird, but there are ways around it.

          Teach each other your languages. It'll be fun.

          I've faced this challenge since childhood, having been shunted from state to state every three years.

          Both Malayalam and Urdu would have more in common with each other than with English respectively. (You have to get past the writing systems and accents and intonation, don't let that get in the way)

          [–]anandmohanbokaroपड़ोसी से प्रेम करो। 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The answer to your question is we have learnt to accept people as they are. Last year I was in Tirupati for a conference. There for the first time I realises the lang. barrier. In one day I learnt telugu words like "entha"for taking public transport. An old villager tambi sitting next to me found that I do not know their lang. in a bus. Out of curiosity or something he gave me a small local fruit.

          To hell with north south divide. We love each other.

          [–]finalblurForward swept wing is better than right or left wing 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          For another example in diversity, I am a Malayali who grew up in Saudi Arabia as well, but could only speak one language - English. My classmates mostly solely spoke only Urdu or Malayalam, neither of which I managed to pick up enough of to communicate. There are very few Malayalis who do not speak or understand Malayalam, however. Loners gonna lone.

          [–]chachachoudharysamaachar ka achaar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          My grandmother who could only speak marwari used to chat for hours with an english lady. She said 'Hello' and my nani said 'haal rahi hu chaal rhi hu' (Yeah I'm coming)

          [–]priestishere 2ポイント3ポイント  (24子コメント)

          This situation is more likely when a south Indian and a north Indian meet and have a conversation. People belonging to each state in South India speak only in their native language. While the educated ones and some know hindi, a lot of them would try to communicate in English.

          While this can happen occasionally in the North and other parts of the country too, the ones who're from North/Eastern parts of the country I've met so far, seem to understand Hindi.

          [–]KingJamesXPakistan[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (23子コメント)

          Does this lead to problems where people tend to be closer with people belonging from the same state? Are there any things common between a North Indian and South Indian?

          [–]RajaRajaC 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Culturally, even North and South India are very broad categorisations.

          Within say South India, we have 4 major states, each of it with a 2,000-3,000 year long history (and the attendant cultural, sociological stamp this leaves). Each of these 4 states has their own very rich language, has very different eating habits, maybe to a very small extent, our clothing USED to be the same / similar (Dhotis / Veshtis for the men, saris for the women).

          Now, within each state, there are substantial cultural differences. I am for instance from this place called Madurai (Deep South TN), and I can instantly tell if somebody is from Coimbatore (North TN), Kanyakumari (further south) or Chennai (the capital city roughly at mid east). Just the dialect will give you away, food patterns change even within this relatively small state.

          My friend who is a Haryanvi Jat, never tires of saying that he would have more in common culturally (food, music, clothing etc) with a Pakistani Punjabi than me, a fellow Indian.

          Does this lead to a problem? Nope, politically these states are very insulated. Only two pan Indian parties (BJP & Congress) have any sort of universal appeal, and even here, in the south for instance, the BJP AND Congress have been relegated to near irrelevance in three of the four states. A third at least has some visibility pan India (only in the urban circles) and that is AAP. Otherwise, a political colossus from my state won't win a single vote if he / she even goes 200 km's north from Chennai. That is how insular our political system is.

          Culturally? Vive la English! English is our lingua franca and Pax Americana ensures that my Haryanvi Jat friend and I share a lot of common interests, but these are not rooted in Indianness if you get my drift.

          Anecdotally, I have heard enough to believe that some state groupings stick together. Malyalees (from Kerala) and Telugus (from Andhra) - both southern states are supposed to do this all the time, but idk, these are anecdotal tales so take them with a ton of salt.

          [–]FossilisedTooth 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          There are other things that are common culturally (mostly post independence). Your Haryanvi jat friend probably shares your love for the Indian cricket team, movies with songs and drama (irrespective of language) and you are both probably equally proud of diversity. To a large extent, the culture of modern India is - "we are different and we like it like that only".

          [–]gentlemenprefrtrollsHorn Ok Please 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Malyalees are chill. Tamils on the other hand. Man do they love to flock together. Conveniently left out the biggest perpetrators, eh?

          [–]Jantajanardan 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think it all depends on your upbringing, where you come from etc.

          There are Northies who have lived in the South and Southies who have lived in the North. They are the ones who blend anywhere in India. Then there are the people who have lived in metro cities in India, which are extremely cosmopolitan(except Chennai). They blend well too.

          Finally there are some people who have never seen a person from outside their region. For these guys its difficult to blend with people speaking another language easily. So the Indian Punjabis in USA\Canada end up being friends more easily with Pakistanis than with South Indians.

          What we all have in common: Cricket, Movies (to an extent), Work, and our hate for Pakistan.(Not Pakistanis)

          [–]priestishere 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Within the country, sometimes yes. You often see people of the same state hanging out together at college/work place. But it isn't like the others are discriminated.

          [–]783832 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Im from north, and there are some things i will have in common with a south guy:

          1. Sanskrit based names. A majority of names in both regions are Sanskrit based or just words straight out of Sanskrit. For example, top hero in north is Amitabh, meaning sun in sanskrit, and in south is Rajnikanth, meaning one who likes night. Both are words from sanskrit.

          2. Common deities, or gods. Shiva, Vishnu, ganesha are common to people all over India. And they are major deities. Even in cases where deities are specific to a state, such Sabarimala temple located in kerala, all hindus can and do worship them cause they are considered part/avatar of the same one god.

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            [–]gharwaapasi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Pakistani? Instant hate-

            Oh wait.

            [–]sreekriss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That's India For you :)

            [–]harsha_hs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Kind sir, India is diverse country! you guys had an opportunity to be part of it

            [–]GryffindorGhostNick 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

            In my experience, most people have a good command over their mother tongue and a reasonable grasp of the language of the neighbouring states owing to larger number of migration across the borders. In the north, usually most people know good Hindi since there is a lot of migration from country to urban areas. In the south, I find that Andhra and Karnataka people speak good Hindi. Because these two states act as a sort of buffer between Tamil Nadu and Kerala and the North, they don't have as much exposure/necessity to speak Hindi. But there is always someone within vicinity especially in cities who can speak any language you want everywhere in India.

            [–]bessiess 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

            In the south, I find that Andhra and Karnataka (both bordering Hindi speaking/ Hindi fluent states) people speak good Hindi.

            That's not true at all. It's more to do historical Urdu-speaking rulers in parts of these states. (Tipu/Nizam etc.) which have resulted in a significant number of native speakers/residents.

            When you go to rural areas in other parts of the state you'll find a similar lack of Hindi speaking population as in the other states.

            [–]GryffindorGhostNick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            TIL! That makes a lot more sense.

            [–]FossilisedTooth 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Extending that argument along - are there significant marathi speaking populations in tanjore / trichy?

            [–]bessiess 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Don't know about Marathi, but the strangest language presence in south India is the Saurashtra Language around Madurai

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurashtra_people

            [–]FossilisedTooth 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Also look what I found! Turns out about 3% of the population speaks marathi.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanjavur_Marathi_people

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            [–]connoisseuralpha 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Yeah. Saurashtra is similar to marathi but somehow these people don't know how to converse or understand hindi/marathi.

            [–]Jantajanardan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Saurashtrian is Gujarati. No relation to Marathi.

            [–]ambrood 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            They speak an archaic Marathi that a modern day Marathi speaker would barely understand.

            [–]chicagoabr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I was in the deep south visiting and there were some migrants who spoke only hindi. They were looking for anyone who spoke hindi and tamil to help translate as deep south was 100% tamil and extremely little hindi, english, etc.

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