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An exercise in legislation: helping Bitcoin project (self.legaladvice)

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Today Bitcoin (as a project, community, and development process) does not have a well-defined rules (and "tradition" of the project spans a very short period of time and don't give insight into conflict resolution). There is a traditional way of dealing with conflicts in open source software world - this method is called forking. Unfortunately this is a poor method for a project which attempts to create a currency, since currencies greatly benefit from network effects and potential split into Bitcoin A and Bitcoin B would destroy currency usefulness, it's value and users' trust.

There have been some attempts of creating "Bitcoin constitution". Unfortunately I see them only as exercises in wishful thinking. First - they don't even define properly goals of the project. Second - they list consensus as number one priority, which is just as useful as saying that we all should be healthy, wealthy and beautiful. If we have consensus we don't need anything else. Only lack of consensus creates conflict and need for law (or procedure).

Why do I speak about constitution? Because it will not have any legal value in courts system and thus will be mostly a political document. Fortunately writing down political part should not be that hard - there are some great examples out there ;)

Writing down "conflict resolution rules" - this is hard.

Currently there are four groups of people inside Bitcoin ecosystem. Volunteer developers (aka core devs), corporations that build on top of Bitcoin, Bitcoin miners (only they have physical control over the network) and, finally, Bitcoin users. All of those groups ultimately are interested in Bitcoin growth.

How can I approach problem of writing Bitcoin constitution? What to read? Where to start?

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[–]Zapopa 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh dear lord I thought I had seen every flavor of the morons who inhabited the the Bitcoin "ecosystem." My friend you are now in the running to be crowned King Turd of Bitshit Mountain. Since your fucking head is so far up your ass let me explain your ecosystem a little more clearly. The following people use bitcoins: 1. Criminal money launderers, 2. Drug dealers and users, 3. Arm merchants, 4. Child pornographers and prostitutes, 5. A variety of other criminals, 6. Sincere earnest true believers in crypto currency, and 7. speculators and scammers who prey on the naive true believers, and violently dry fuck them in the ass while the bewildered true believers try and figure out what is occurring and how the rule of law can help them.

What you are light years from understanding moron is that the whole point of Bitcoin is to encourage and protect criminal activities. It is designed specially to operate outside the law. You think criminals give a fuck about your political document? Wake up and pluck that shiny eyed head out of your arse. You will get fucked with Bitcoin. You are too stupid to adequately deal with the Pirates who are poised with their massive cocks just outside your tiny puckered bung hole. Go do yourself a favor and do something useful. Trust me on this.

[–]grasshoppa1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

To add to this, speculators are ruining the dreams of all the bitcoin idealist morons and it's completely fucking awesome to watch. I've made so much damn money shorting bitcoin and I love it! :-P

It's been especially fun now that the professional firms like DRW and Citadel have gotten involved. The idiots don't know what hit them!

[–]AnotherGuyinOhio 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/Zapopa should be able to help

[–]Ramady 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you interested in creating legislation, or a series of guidelines for your club?

[–]grasshoppa1 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can I approach problem of writing Bitcoin constitution? What to read? Where to start?

You don't. The chances of you getting the support of everyone in the community in all four groups are pretty much zero. In fact, I doubt you could even get the support necessary for consensus.

This is the fundamental flaw in open source projects without clear governance. Forks are the only option and, as you know, there's a civil war going on in the bitcoin world as a result of it.

tl;dr: short bitcoin and profit!

[–]rhomboidus -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cosbycoin is a far superior way to purchase drugs and illegal pornography on the internet.

I think what you have there is an exercise in futility friend. The Bitcoin community is full of nerds and criminals, two groups extremely antagonistic to central control.

[–]Halfhand84 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Bitcoin's laws aren't written in English, they're written in code. Bitcoin is as indifferent to English as you are to binary. Everything you just wrote is irrelevant noise, computer science is the signal and the only thing that matters in this realm.

Forks are a natural and inevitable part of the maturation of this protocol. Contrary to your uninformed opinion, they strengthen the network rather than harm it. Here's an analogy for you: when sharks are gestating, the one which hatches first eats all its lesser siblings inside the mother's womb, whether they're smaller sharks (altcoins) or eggs (forks). A single dominant entity will always eventually emerge (via consensus), and it will be stronger after having devoured it's failed competition.

These are early days. Bitcoin is still gestating, feeding on these eggs and babies. Once its developed enough, our baby shark will go out into the great wide ocean of wealth and begin devouring the real prey: fiat, which you can think of as diseased and dying ancient whales - so enormous they can barely move - waiting to be torn apart and feasted upon. Hope this helps.

[–]exo762[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's some analogies man. I really hope that you are baked out of your mind.

This post is about community rules for conflict resolution for Bitcoin devs and miners. It has nothing to do with code.

As for uninformed.. I know very well how Bitcoin works, thank you. So for protocol fork scenario making Bitcoin stronger. Alice and Bob routinely send money to each other, but they are using different wallets. After protocol fork Alice's wallet is connected to nodes on network A, and Bob's wallet connected to nodes on network B. Alice request an address from Bob (via Skype) and next send money to Bob and... good luck explaining people why exactly Bob never got money and in what way exactly this makes Bitcoin stronger.

As for single dominant entity emerging... Maybe. After price tanks to single digits and users loose all of their trust.

BTW, I do not take sides in block size debate. Whole debate is just a symptom that mature conflict resolution is not a thing in Bitcoin community.

[–]Halfhand84 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

This post is about (words)

This post is about nothing, that's why it has 0 upvotes. No one cares about your white noise bullshit, law boy.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/code-as-law-how-bitcoin-could-decentralize-the-courtroom

So for protocol fork scenario making Bitcoin stronger. Alice and Bob routinely send money to each other, but they are using different wallets. After protocol fork Alice's wallet is connected to nodes on network A, and Bob's wallet connected to nodes on network B. Alice request an address from Bob (via Skype) and next send money to Bob and... good luck explaining people why exactly Bob never got money and in what way exactly this makes Bitcoin stronger.

You're grossly underestimating how quickly the losing fork will lose all value and become irrelevant. How many nodes does the XT non-fork have right now? Oh..

[–]exo762[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

This post is about nothing, that's why it has 0 upvotes. No one cares about your white noise bullshit, law boy.

Your analytical skills are killing me. I'm a code boy, not law boy. I came to this sub to get some perspective on the problem from lawyers, but was met only with "Bitcoin is bad, bitcoiners are criminally insane!"

As for you - you are dismissing law, and that is not wise. Law and programming have much more in common than you think. Educate yourself.

You're grossly underestimating how quickly the losing fork will lose all value and become irrelevant. How many nodes does the XT non-fork have right now? Oh..

Or not. Willing to bet? I, myself, would much prefer seeing more peaceful resolution. Whole thing boils down to core crowd not understanding that they operate under 'liberum veto' model. And Gavin with Mike being tired of that.

[–]Halfhand84 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

As for you - you are dismissing law, and that is not wise.

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[–]exo762[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Haha, funny guy. Dismissing law is not the same as not abiding the law. Study it, it is power.

[–]Halfhand84 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, funny guy.

That wasn't a joke.

Dismissing law is not the same as not abiding the law. Study it, it is power.

Yeah, no thanks. As an anarchist, I'm not a real big fan of power. Power grows from roots of violence, deception, and coercion. You keep on licking the taint of your master the state though, I'm sure you'll go far in life.

"Worship power, you will end up feeling weak and afraid, and you will need ever more power over others to numb you to your own fear. Worship your intellect, being seen as smart, you will end up feeling stupid, a fraud, always on the verge of being found out. But the insidious thing about these forms of worship is not that they're evil or sinful, it's that they're unconscious. They are default settings.

They're the kind of worship you just gradually slip into, day after day, getting more and more selective about what you see and how you measure value without ever being fully aware that that's what you're doing.

And the so-called real world will not discourage you from operating on your default settings, because the so-called real world of men and money and power hums merrily along in a pool of fear and anger and frustration and craving and worship of self."

-David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest