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[–]PandaSymposium 47ポイント48ポイント49ポイント 9時間前 (49子コメント)
Anarchism is the rejection of hierarchical systems- capitalism being one of them. Anarcho-communists are a big thing.
[–]Polycephal_Lee 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Anarcho-syndicalists are also a thing. Noam Chomsky is a noted one. Anarchism does not mean "no order."
If you are interested in it more, I highly recommend The Dispossessed by Ursula K Leguin.
It achieved a degree of literary recognition unusual for science fiction works due to its exploration of many ideas and themes, including anarchism and revolutionary societies, capitalism, individualism and collectivism, and the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis.
[+]amphetaminesfailure スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 8時間前 (41子コメント)
Anarcho-capitalism is a pretty big thing too....
[–]PandaSymposium 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 8時間前 (39子コメント)
Capitalism is a system by which some own private property, and others do not. This is a hierarchical system. Anarcho-capitalists take the rejection of the hierarchical nature of the state, and use it to suggest that there is a purer system without one. This is true. But rather than taking it to the logical conclusion of rejecting private property as well, they reveal themselves as simply being butthurt at taxation.
[–]amphetaminesfailure -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 7時間前 (38子コメント)
But rather than taking it to the logical conclusion of rejecting private property as well, they reveal themselves as simply being butthurt at taxation.
It's ridiculous to reduce anarcho-capitalists to individuals who are "simply being butthurt at taxation."
Honest question, but why does this sub seem to have an over abundance of socialists and communists?
Maybe I'm missing something because I only subscribed to this sub about a month ago, but I notice almost daily posts here promoting socialism or communism, and notice a lot of users here also posts in subs like /r/socialism and /r/FULLCOMMUNISM.
Is it just a coincidence or am I missing something?
[–]TessHKMsexist feminist of gay 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 7時間前 (36子コメント)
Well, "anarcho"-capitalists themselves are ridiculous.
[–]amphetaminesfailure -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 7時間前 (14子コメント)
And surprise surprise, you post in the two subs I mentioned.
I really don't get it. How is the sub related?
Why are there so many socialists and communist here?
[–]TessHKMsexist feminist of gay 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)
It's not. I don't have to build my reddit experience around a single facet of my personality. I don't have a communist account and a meme account and a news account and a gaming account. I subscribe to different subreddits because I have different interests.
every me too thanks is hiding a disillusioned young person who has grown tired of the capitalist system fucking them dry
dank memes are an outlet for the youth of the world who are angry and want to rebel against the system but don't know how
we are going to be buried alive in our parents debt and our only hope lies in comrade skeltal
[–]Akitz☭ 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
I don't think I've ever me irl'd this hard in my life.
[–]pureskill 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 3時間前 (11子コメント)
I thought all these soviet symbols were an inside joke that I didn't necessarily know about but I still inferred that they were meant to be humorous. Tbh, I don't usually read the comments on these anyway. I'm only just now, through the posts responding to you and the parent comment, coming to realize that this place is actually in fact partially composed of socialists/communists. My mind is genuinely blown. I still haven't ruled out the fact that it's an even more elaborate inside joke than I'm giving it credit for, though. Lol.
[–]TessHKMsexist feminist of gay 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
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[–]procrastinating_nhil 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
/r/Fullcommunism is kind of a satire sub in the sense that people there are being intentionally extreme for laughs, but everyone is actually leftist so the satire has roots in sincere beliefs.
[–]amphetaminesfailure -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 3時間前* (7子コメント)
I thought it was an inside joke for a while when I first subbed here a month ago.
But then I started reading the comments, and realized it wasn't. It was serious.
My posts here pretty much confirm it for me.
There are people trying to have in-depth debates with me and supporting the merits of actual Communism.
It blows my mind as well.
If you look at most of the people who post here regularly, they're also regular posters to socialist and communist subs.
They all seem completely serious.
It's like I said....I don't get it.
Edit: Just saw that you appear to be in medical school, don't you realize that you should be a physician for the same salary as a garbage man, you bourgeoisie scum?
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
[–]TessHKMsexist feminist of gay 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 3時間前* (5子コメント)
But doctors aren't bourgeoisie. They make their money from their own labor, not anyone else's.
And talking about salaries in a communist society is disingenuous. In communism, a doctor would be a doctor not because of a paycheck, but because he enjoys the work and likes helping people.
[–]amphetaminesfailure -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
Oh, so they're better than others?
A higher class of people?
[–]caliburdeath☭ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 23分前 (0子コメント)
They're petit-bourgeoise, not enemies of the proletariat, but not allies, those who own the means of production (sorta) but also do the work with it.
[–]piezeppelin 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 9分前 (0子コメント)
There are people trying to have in-depth debates with me and supporting the merits of actual Communism. It blows my mind as well.
Why don't you suck Reagan's dick a little harder? Make sure to cup the balls too.
[+]amphetaminesfailure スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11ポイント-10ポイント-9ポイント 6時間前 (20子コメント)
And I think someone needs to have a legitimate mental illness or extremely low IQ to ever support communism.
Edit: Oh, never-mind. I just saw that you're 16. That explains it then. Don't wait too long to grow out of it.
[–]TessHKMsexist feminist of gay 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 6時間前 (7子コメント)
Care to explain why you think this?
[–]amphetaminesfailure -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 5時間前 (6子コメント)
It's a system that goes completely against human nature and has failed in being implemented time and time again. Any attempt at it has lead to nothing but poverty, violence, and death.
[–]TessHKMsexist feminist of gay 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 5時間前* (5子コメント)
Ah, good ol' "human nature." Marxism, and all the fields of study it has spawned over the past 150 years, and all the intellectual work and research, just happened to ignore “human nature.” It is amazing how this is presented as an intellectual critique, and the Marxist dialectic presented as anti-intellectual, when the human nature counterargument is based on the assumption that human motivation is monolithic, simplistic, and in no way influenced by external or personal factors that differ from place to place, person to person, era to era. It is intellectual laziness at its finest, because it relies on no research, or even personal observation beyond the behavior of a few extremely wealthy individuals.
The idea that human nature is greedy and selfish and that these are thus primary motivating factors that are ingrained in the way we behave has been debunked by studies performed by the University College of London, M.I.T., the University of Amsterdam, the University of Princeton, the University of Berkley, Washington State University, Emory and Carnegie Mellon [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. They're artificial, and exist as a by-product of our survival instinct. Under our current economic system, as well as its previous two exploitative iterations (feudalism and slavery), money equals survival. The more you have, the better your chances are.
This is supported by the works of evolutionary biologist John Maynard Smith, anthropologist Robert Trivers, political scientist Robert Axlerod and Primatologist Frans De Waal, and economist/zoologist/evolutionary theorist Peter Kropotkin.
All of these go into detail into why human beings are much more cooperative, altruistic, reciprocal, mutualistic and empathetic with one another than they are selfish, greedy or egocentric. None deny that these latter aspects of behavior exist, but simply hold that they do not account for the concepts of emotional contagion, targeted helping, cultural transmission, consolation, game theory or self-recognition. If you can explain these with 'human nature is selfish and greedy', by all means I'd love to learn how.
Source #2, particularly, which is Dan Pink's seminar on Mastery, Autonomy and Purpose, reveals that once people earn enough money to satisfy their basic needs they become motivated by having a sense of autonomy (ie. the desire to be self-directed), mastery (ie. the urge to get better at things), and purpose in their work and life. Money is simply a means to those basic needs, and if you were to eliminate it altogether, and provide those means to the people another way, or for those means to be guaranteed/readily and freely available to them, people would no longer engage in the kind of behaviour you call "greed".
The need for food, water or shelter is biological -- a lack results in death. However, human society has changed how and why resources are gathered. The biological necessity is the same: humans need to eat, drink, sleep, stay out of the rain. But society has developed a way to transport current resources into the future for use in that future -- money. Thus, humans seek money.
[–]amphetaminesfailure 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Ok. You win.
http://i.imgur.com/5S4RfCR.png
[–]MORE_WUB_WUB 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Literally only replying to this because I think your deconstruction of the human nature argument was fucking brilliant dude.
[–]jebuswashere 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
And I'm not sure you actually know what communism is, or what communists advocate. Care to explain, in your own words, what's apparently so obviously wrong with it?
[–]procrastinating_nhil 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (10子コメント)
Capitalism failed for thousands of years (slavery, serfdom, wage slavery) and only in the past couple centuries or so has society advanced to the point where capitalism is semi tolerable to the relatively privileged western workers. Don't you think its possible that communism could simply have come around in the wrong circumstances or that we can do better than offshoots of one main corrupt regime?
[–]amphetaminesfailure 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (9子コメント)
Yeah, there hasn't been capitalism for thousands of years.....that's bullshit.
To consider feudalism, mercantilism, etc. as "capitalism" is completely ridiculous.
Slavery and serfdom have nothing to do with capitalism.
[–]procrastinating_nhil 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (7子コメント)
Capitalism is anything with an owner class it is not synonymous with the free market.
[–]amphetaminesfailure -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
That's obviously a completely outdated definition.
And if even you want to use the term "capitalism" to refer to any system in which a private individual owns capital, it still only dates back to the 1600's. It has nothing to do with how capitalism is defined today as an economic system.
Now, you are correct that capitalism in its modern definition is not always synonymous with the free-market.
Most first world countries, including the US, are defined as capitalist when they are not. They are mixed economies, nearly all which are better defined as corporatist.
However, while it is incorrectly used colloquially to describe modern economic systems, its modern definition does refer to a free-market enterprise.
[–]caliburdeath☭ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 17分前 (0子コメント)
That's actually correct, Capitalism is the stage following Feudalism, which in turn follows Religious Kingdoms, which follows tribes, and prior to Socialism, which is followed by FULL COMMUNISM
[–]Dr_Jre 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Because the current systems we have in place only serve to benefit a few, and the rest of the world is starting to realise that. There are so many people being born the world over, yet people with land and money don't want to share that, in fact the contrary is true, they want to grow that power and there is a rapidly grown group of people how don't really have much at all. This coupled with the jobs market failing, higher cost of living and education and the greedy way which big corporations treat tax is starting to piss a lot of people off.
[–]deltaSqueecommunist overlord 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 8分前 (0子コメント)
Anarcho-capitalism is a pretty big thing on reddit too....
Fixed that for you
[–]RetroIntro -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 9時間前 (5子コメント)
I'm familiar with that "movement".
[–]PandaSymposium 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 9時間前 (4子コメント)
As long as you know that they're not mutually exclusive, as implied by your comment.
[+]RetroIntro スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 9時間前 (3子コメント)
I wouldn't as far as to say that.
[–]PandaSymposium 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 9時間前 (2子コメント)
Well, obviously the aims of anarchism go beyond communism. But since communism is the most obvious next developmental step, and not meant to be perfect to start with, there's no reason why an anarchist can't be a communism.
[–]TessHKMsexist feminist of gay 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
yes hello I am a communism
[–]procrastinating_nhil 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
There really is no anarchism without communism in some form.
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