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[–]Papash 287ポイント288ポイント  (13子コメント)

The guy in the trenchcoat looks like a couple of kids stacked on top of each other.

[–]SexyMrSkeltal 326ポイント327ポイント  (6子コメント)

What? No he's not, he's just on his way to work at the Business Factory.

[–]ThirdRook 137ポイント138ポイント  (4子コメント)

He's clearly doing adulty things. Like an adult, Bojack.

[–]durtymccurdyhates freedom 91ポイント92ポイント  (3子コメント)

He already went to the stock market today and did a business.

[–]siccoblue 42ポイント43ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really feel like I shouldn't have to explain this but what the hell, that is very clearly 3 little boys in a trenchcoat

[–]ilovetheganj 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

Alright, we get it! You don't like him!

[–]999happyhants 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

He just needs to do an Alcohol with the fellow Adults.

[–]Homem_do_Bussaco 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

All you do is talk about business, Vincent

[–]HeliumPaper 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good old Vincent Adultman.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_FEETS_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

looks like Kripparrian too me

[–]green_meadow 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

heyguyshowsitgoingitskripparianhere how good is this estate?

[–]RetroIntro 153ポイント154ポイント  (75子コメント)

In what other way can this end other than the landowner paying other men to fight and beat the deadbeats on his land? This isn't Communism, it's an attempt at anarchism.

I mean, me too thanks

[–]PandaSymposium 45ポイント46ポイント  (49子コメント)

Anarchism is the rejection of hierarchical systems- capitalism being one of them. Anarcho-communists are a big thing.

[–]Polycephal_Lee 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anarcho-syndicalists are also a thing. Noam Chomsky is a noted one. Anarchism does not mean "no order."

If you are interested in it more, I highly recommend The Dispossessed by Ursula K Leguin.

It achieved a degree of literary recognition unusual for science fiction works due to its exploration of many ideas and themes, including anarchism and revolutionary societies, capitalism, individualism and collectivism, and the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis.

[–]RetroIntro -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm familiar with that "movement".

[–]PandaSymposium 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

As long as you know that they're not mutually exclusive, as implied by your comment.

[–]singasongofsixpins 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

... It's a cartoon.

[–]RetroIntro 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

And it's stupid and wrong and has an agenda

[–]singasongofsixpins 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, you're face does.

[–]RetroIntro 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're damned right it does

[–]rampantdissonance 19ポイント20ポイント  (12子コメント)

Here's the thing. They're asking the right questions, but they're not exactly getting to a great answer. Hereditary wealth is definitely a problem. There's no real moral justification for one person to gain a tremendous amount of scarce wealth and resources at the expense of everyone else just because of whose ballsack they were formed in.

The answer to this question is complicated. As you say, beating someone up for their land doesn't have great implications. But neither is one man having a huge inherited estate when others have no place to live.

[–]soggybooty92 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't really see how inheriting something is getting it "at the expense of others."

I mean that's a lot of mental gymnastics...

[–]rampantdissonance 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

The short answer- property and land ownership has externalities. The long version-

Imagine you go into work one morning and find 5 brand new Ipads on a table. No one paid for them, but somehow they're there, and it's made clear that they're for you guys. How do you decide which among your 20 coworkers gets one? Nobody had any hand in ordering them, and they were there regardless of anyone's actions. No one really has any claim to one more than anyone else.

The same principle applies to land. Remember when the Native Americans thought the white settlers were absurd for owning land? Because how could you own something that was there before you were, and that is a valuable resource that other people need?

If you're an average person, then you need to either buy or rent some land. I suppose there are some wild survivalists that could homestead their own place and hunt with spears and build their own shelter and collect their own water and everything, but that's quite unusual. If you want a job and electricity, and education and medical care, then your only real choice is to own property or rent something that's within at most, a few hours drive of a city.

But if you choose that, all the land is already "owned". So you need to pay rent or buy the land. And the land is a significant cost for property. If you want to build a house, you need to pay for the land in addition to the company to build the house.

Now the company is fine- you're paying for the people working on the house as well as the materials, and we know those aren't cheap. But who are you paying for the land? The person who owned it before you? Who did they get it from? Was the first acquisition, when the first person said, "This is mine now, and nobody else can use it," legitimate? There is a finite amount of land, and somebody who owns a ton of it is denying the use of it to everybody else.

Like, London real estate is an extremely profitable place to invest right now. Say there's a billionaire from Hong Kong who has never even been to London, but wants a good return on investment. He buys a ton of houses, the value of his investment goes up, so others do the same, and you now have a lot of property owned by billionaires from other places.

Now, since the demand is higher, the prices go up. Renters will pay more, since the land they're using just got more valuable, and people trying to buy houses will pay more, too. By simply investing, they can make other people's lives more difficult.

And that's what it boils down to- Can anyone make a legitimate claim to own land, especially when other people pay a price for it (definition of an externality).

I wish I had the answer to fix all. All I can say is that the current situation is messed up. It's like the Challenger space shuttle. I don't know how I could have fixed it, but I know something was wrong with it.

Uh...me too, thanks

[–]AccessTheMainframe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like the Challenger space shuttle. I don't know how I could have fixed it

Hey guys, maybe we should check those O-rings.

[–]thereds2015 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No human being should be able to own more than the house that they are living in. You have nailed it in that the investors have fucked it for the rest of us. The rich get richer while the poor are stuck unable to afford a place to live and stuck in the poverty cycle. Investors can chose shares, art, fine wine, bank etc to place their money into, but not housing. It is too god damn important. Globally this needs to be enshrined in legislation. House prices and rent would then become achievable. People would be able to afford a roof over their heads again. The government would/could provide a few rental properties for people who didn't want to purchase. Bottom line is when working people can't afford to put a roof over their head something has gone incredibly wrong and our governments have failed us. The time is coming for a revolution about the way we think and policies. AFFORDABLE HOUSING is a basic human right.

[–]dinklebob 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

"I need to find a justification for why I should get other people's stuff. Oh morals! That should work!"

Have you ever considered that people work hard so they can leave their kids with a good situation in life? Why would you ever provide a negative incentive for that?

[–]rampantdissonance 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

so they can leave their kids with a good situation in life

Alright, so it's important for the child to have a reasonable amount of opportunities and adequate support and education and all that shit.

But a baby has control over where he or she is born. We should make sure the baby who, through no fault of its own, is born to poor parents also has a good situation.

What do you think is providing a negative incentive? An estate tax of inheritances over $1million?

[–]stabbinUfounding member, *NSYNC fanclub[🍰] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

How about a disgusting, broken, racist, discriminatory system dating back hundreds of years (just in the US) that continues to pass down benefits in the form of wealth and privilege, and will continue to do so for generations upon generations.

Surely, that's just people "working hard". It's not like most people's ancestors got fucked by this system, and the one's that didn't don't have to do a day of work - that shit's just handed to them. That's hard work.

[–]Fl3et 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

But people magically get everything they deserve under capitalism. As a fellow human being I somehow deserve all this wealth and you have to work degrading jobs paying lip service to me because I am better human being because of my inheritance and structural advantages.

[–]rampantdissonance 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that's a very real concern, too. For an example of how recently this affects us, a lot of redditors are at the age when their grandparents may be beginning to pass away and leave their inheritance. If they were black, they would have gone a large amount of their lives with the best jobs completely off limits to them

[–]lukeimyomama 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I need to find a justification why I should get my parent's stuff when they die even though I've done nothing to earn it. Oh right, *inheritance *!"

Have you ever considered that it's quite unfair that some children, through no fault of their own, inherit less than others?

[–]campy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alternatively the government will step in, say "this is his land", and send all those people to jail.

[–]Dazz316 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Depends how pissed off the people are. Perhaps the men he would pay also want the land.

History had been through that scenario a lot.

[–]thereds2015 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It is coming again. Blind fucks don't see it, but the system is inequitable and eventually people will take by force what they need to survive if that is the only option they have.

[–]Dazz316 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe not even by force. Modern history has started showing more political means. Hong Kong is a good example. The recent goings on in Scotland though we voted for unity and not segregation.

[–]deltaSqueecommunist overlord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

(Anarchism is communism)

[–]NineT4_ 173ポイント174ポイント  (31子コメント)

"he bought it"

Well, we'll buy it!"

[–]genaso 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

From whom?

[–]luvs_T0_spooge[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

the native americans

[–]genaso 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

And how did they get it?

[–]luvs_T0_spooge[S] 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

probly made it with sticks or something

[–]Dr_Jre -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just like how Europe bought America off the natives?

[–]PookieChang 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

мне тоже спасибо

[–]so_FUCKING_stupidactually me irl 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me too, comrade

[–]DiscoBombing 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

what the fuck is this sub's obsession with communism

[–]TessHKMsexist feminist of gay 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

☭☭☭☭☭КОММУНИЗМ ПОБЕДИТ☭☭☭☭☭

[–]DiscoBombing 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

I DON'T SPEAK GUATEMALAN

[–]potestatescommunist overlord 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

It says "Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk" in Icelandic.

[–]KungFuTortilla 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know, but it's fun

[–]procrastinating_nhil 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have seized the memes of production!

[–]thereds2015 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Love this cartoon. I feel like if wealth inequity is not addressed across the planet it will most likely come to this. Once average working people can no longer afford to put a roof over their families head and pay their bills things need to change. I don't believe the power and money holders in society will give up their privilege without a fight.

[–]luvs_T0_spooge[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

me too thanks

[–]thereds2015 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

No worries. Capitalism is a failed experiment. The concentration of wealth globally in the hands of the few demonstrate this.

[–]Caperrs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I... can't tell if you're joking or serious

[–]RepublicofTimactually me irl 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who wrote this, Brian Michael Bendis?

[–]Langston_hugeactually me irl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, more like Williams Carlos Williams! I'm not sure whats going on any more.

[–]KiloLee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read that with Eddie Izzard's voice in my head.

"Do you have a flag?"