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[–]assasstits 1370ポイント1371ポイント  (427子コメント)

Mine talk about this way about foreign people. It bothers me but I try not to think about it. Live in a way that minimizes your stress and realize people are idiots.

Edit: I don't think OP made this post so that bigots could echo the same thoughts as her family. WTF at comments below.

[–]PM_ME_CLEAVAGE 316ポイント317ポイント  (25子コメント)

I'd kick him right in the nuts to show him what ethnicity he is!

[–]ltsaGiraffeOne Eyed one Horned Flying Purple Penis Eater 62ポイント63ポイント  (21子コメント)

[–]t-_-f 32ポイント33ポイント  (9子コメント)

did anyone else watch this and legitimately try to understand the concept of cleavage, but come out totally confused? no? just me? great.

[–]Tenryuu_RS3 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

Quick gist in easier words. Crystals have structures on a molecular level. It's how they arrange. This creates areas on the crystal as a whole that you can see a plane which ends up being a flat plane like this. If you have a large layered crystal, such as mica, you can cleave it easily on those layers.

[–]IIPA 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why I'd kick him in his Mexican nuts. /s

[–]ketsuban25 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Haha, same here. Yesterday my father-in-law was disparaging Indian people, not realising my brother's girlfriend and my aunt are both Indian.

[–]SaltyBabe 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have a friend who is half Mexican, making her son a fourth... Her father in law, the kids grandpa is vocally "anti-Hispanics" except "in their own countries."

[–]lonelyspirit[S] 612ポイント613ポイント  (381子コメント)

I just don't understand how people can be so full of hate.

Edit: Update. http://i.imgur.com/NvFCpQE.png

[–]smilinguterus 359ポイント360ポイント  (78子コメント)

My mother has said, and I quote, "Look at those scared niggers run because someone pulled out a gun." And, "I don't know why people blame white people for slavery in the U.S.. The first person to sell a nigger was another damn nigger." If we ask her to do too much she says, "You're treating me like everyone's fucking nigger." She's also said flat out, "I hate niggers."

Then she gets super offended if I say she's racist. What the fuck does she think racists do? Eat black people?

[–]lonelyspirit[S] 70ポイント71ポイント  (44子コメント)

[–]gseyffert 84ポイント85ポイント  (32子コメント)

....what the fuck?

Edit: from the original post -

Sweden's minister of culture has been accused of racism after cutting a cake depicting a naked black woman. Lena Adelsohn Liljeroth was taking part in an event at the Moderna Museet in Stockholm, the capital's museum of modern art and home to works by Picasso and Dalí. She was invited to cut the cake, an art installation meant to highlight the issue of female genital mutilation. She began, as instructed, by taking a chunk from the cake's "clitoris". The artist, Makode Aj Linde, who created the installation for World Art Day on 15 April, took part in the cake-cutting, with his blackened face and head sticking up next to the cake's stomach and arms. The cakes "insides" were a gruesome red. A video shows him screaming loudly every time a visitor hacks off another slice of the cake.

[–]Igortheinvincible 39ポイント40ポイント  (11子コメント)

Swede here. Can confirm. Is WTF.

[–]parisinla 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

How do you say "what the fuck" in Swedish?

[–]Igortheinvincible 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

"Vad fan?" is probably the closest, "fan" is an old name for Satan, so I suppose it translates roughly to "what the devil?".

Alternatively, "Vad i helvete?", literally "what in hell", also gets pretty close.

Althought, being the small country we are, we are quite influenced by foreign media/movies/music. We'd probably just opt for the actual English expression "what the fuck" :)

[–]idosillythings 19ポイント20ポイント  (16子コメント)

Modern art is weird and infuriating.

[–]Frostiken 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is less weird that some other art. At least it has a concise and understandable message. It could be worse, could be melted dickgirls.

[–]moparornocar 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

I remember learning about Marcel DuChamp jizzing on a piece of velvet and it being one of his famous pieces now.

Wierdest i've ever learned about was a piece called Seedbed) done by Vito Acconci.

[–]hard-in-the-ms-paint 50ポイント51ポイント  (4子コメント)

The point is to elicit emotion. The artist's intentions were in the right place at least. Channel your disgust to the fact that genital mutilation's a thing.

[–]LeRawxWiz 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is a creative, memorable and makes people talk about an issue via an emotional response (as you said you were infuriated). The artist accomplished their goal. Now if you disagree with their message, that's something completely different. Weird is a good thing in art... portraits, still life and landscapes are things you paint to hone your craft. This crazy cake cutting piece is the stuff you strive for once you've got the skills in whatever medium you specialize in.

If this is your example of art you don't like, you have never been to a crappy local art exhibit. I've seen way too many paintings and sculptures of just a solid colored wall or a bunch of cubes with no thought or imagination put into it to pretentiously pretend there is a message. That is the art that should infuriate you.

Don't get the reaction, backlash and impending politics confused with the art.

[–]TotalJester 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow, that made me extremely uncomfortable.

[–]FirstTimeWang 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was, I'm sure, the intent.

[–]pnilz 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Good, now think about those who suffers from FGM, I think they're slightly more uncomfortable.

[–]TotalJester 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I understand what the exhibit was going for. In that way, it was really effective. But I can definitely see how it could also be misconstrued as racist if seen out of context.

[–]Anonymous_Bosch 41ポイント42ポイント  (18子コメント)

The word "racist" has in itself taken on this really interesting new meaning. It's a little bit like "hipster".

We all know lots of people who are racist and who are hipster, but very few people accept the label for whatever reason. It's like it says something negative about you beyond mere behaviour.

[–]CatAndBaz 93ポイント94ポイント  (11子コメント)

I don't those two are similar. A racist is still a racist, the word hasn't changed. Hipster has come to mean "anyone who likes things I think are weird" or "person who doesn't like the things I do"

[–]Kraz_I 40ポイント41ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hipster

It's strange how much the word has changed from its original meaning as someone who smoked marijuana and listened to jazz.

On second thought, maybe the meaning hasn't really changed...

[–]orangeandpeavey 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Change jazz to indie and you got a deal

[–]WhyAyala 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obligatory "indie is not a genre", pleb.

[–]GMY0da 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think hipster means people wearing beanies, sitting in coffee shops using macbooks and riding fixies

all at the same time

[–]adia4ic 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

very few people accept the label for whatever reason

That may be true of hipsters, but for different reasons. The term "hipster" is constantly changing meaning and being used wildly differently by different people.

To some, it means valuing authenticity and utility (e.g. drinking out of a reused mason jar to reduce waste). To others, it means taking the aesthetic of authenticity (e.g. buying a mason jar with a handle for the express purpose of drinking out of it because it looks cool - basically the opposite of authenticity/utility).

Depending on how the word is used, it could be a compliment or an insult. Even if someone is a hipster, and likes being a hipster, it does them no good to accept the label because the word has such polar opposite meanings that it conveys little meaning and is easily misunderstood.

[–]lokitheinane 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

dude, Racists never considered themselves racists. Hitler didn't consider himself a racist, he considered himself "bringing the truth of the superiority of the Arian race" ; he wasn't being racist against jews, they were a real, actual subgroup that really, actually needed to be destroyed (in his mind. he was fucking wrong, but he didn't think so, obviously)

smilinguterus's mother doesn't think she's a racist, she thinks she's being truthful and honest about black people, whereas racists are wrong and their views are nonsense. Uteruses mom doesn't think she's wrong, and she thinks her views are the objective truth, so of course she doesn't think she's a racist. just like Hitler.

TLDR; SmilingUteruses mom = Litterally Hitler.

[–]Misconduct 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

My mom never used to have any kind of racism in her at all. She always taught me that everyone is equal and I should never judge someone just go the color of their skin blah blah. She backed up her words with her actions too truly a great role model in that respect. One day, her ex broke up with her because he got back with his ex girlfriend that happened to be black. I swear to god she is racist as fuck now. It's baffling and disappointing to me. I called her out on it a few times and she calmed the hell down. Well, at least around me. I still see the looks she gives people though... Pretty sure she's just a closet racist now. At least she has the decency to hide it I guess.

[–]Haufniensis 187ポイント188ポイント  (12子コメント)

From the title, it sounds like you at least somewhat understand.

[–]OxfordDictionary 144ポイント145ポイント  (12子コメント)

They are scared because the world is changing and they don't understand it. This is not to put them down, just to point out that this pattern has played out tons of times in history. People are scared of groups of people they don't know. As they get to know them, their opinion will change. Used to be that the Irish and Italians were feared and ostracized in American society. Then people got to know/grow up with people who were Irish and Italian and discovered they were nice people. People who are openly transgender are still a new phenomenen in society. It just takes time.

Added on to the initial stigma ("I don't get why someone would want to change genders") is the mistaken belief that some men dress as women so they can get closer to small kids and sexually abuse them. That's a huge fear that many parents and grandparents have.

The best thing you can do is to have compassion for people on both sides of the debate. Compassion for people who are transgendered who want to be accepted--they have a long battle to go til people understand them. And compassion for these family members and others who don't know enough/haven't met any people who are transgendered and are scared right now.

Your family isn't evil. Gently pointing out statistics or articles that challenge their point of view can be helpful. But the worst thing you can do is call them hateful--people cling even harder to their beliefs when they feel like someone else think their beliefs are stupid.

It would be nice if we had a magic wand to take away peoples' misunderstandings that lead to prejudice, but we just don't. I think trying to listen to both sides and remain open to hearing whatever someone has to say is the closest thing we've got to a magic wand, though.

[–]lockzackary 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

for a dictionary, you do so much more than just provide definitions.

here, have an upvote!

[–]wiccabilly 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think there's also legitimate confusion over how the bathrooms are divided. Are we separating bathrooms by sex or gender identity? Either way, a system that used to be simple no longer makes much sense. Some people get more upset about that than others but I think you're right that a lot of them, even ones like OP's family will come around with time.

It should also be noted that there are some really shitty ambassadors out there too. I was at a family gathering recently and said something about when my son grows up and has a wife and one of my sister's friends gave me a lecture about forcing my son's sexual identity or some shit. Besides being completely out of line in content, she was such a smug sack of shit in her demeanor I wouldn't have listened to her on any subject. People like that seem to be proliferating and they are not helpful.

[–]assasstits 505ポイント506ポイント  (51子コメント)

Besides the fact that they arent very smart. They are also insecure. Notice how each and every comment is saying how they would or wouldn't do something. They are trying to show others how righteous and brave (in their mind and culture) they are.

"I would do this if I were in the situation"

"Oh yeah? Well I wouldn't let my child do this and that".

It's all about them trying to look good and conform amongst their peers.

[–]ImurderREALITY 286ポイント287ポイント  (26子コメント)

"Either would I."

Says it all right there.

[–]StinkpotTurtleI don't like the things. 170ポイント171ポイント  (23子コメント)

Also "your a homosexual."

[–]PointlessCommentBot 146ポイント147ポイント  (13子コメント)

"sexual preditor"

[–]Call-the-cops-IDGAF 94ポイント95ポイント  (5子コメント)

"buffalo bob"

didn't even watch the film.

[–]jonosaurus 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I laughed pretty hard about that one, not going to lie.

[–]vinzclortho37 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I assume she meant Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs. But, if you want to nitpick, the Buffalo Bill parody character in Joe Dirt was named Buffalo Bob.

For people of this intelligence level, though, I would assume they are far more familiar with Joe Dirt than Silence of the Lambs. (No offense to Joe - I really love that movie!)

[–]Unknownmamba 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

That one confuses me. If you think they're a boy and that they're gay......why'd they be creeping on females.

[–]autodidact89 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I live in the town this is happening in. The person in question is gay in the sense that they identify as female and is attracted to women.

[–]Word_Iz_Bond 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was the most mildly infuriating thing in this post

[–]Fgame 101ポイント102ポイント  (98子コメント)

At the risk of sounding bigoted here.

The one lady does bring up a valid point. If you are biologically male, and you have male genitalia, surely that is extremely uncomfortable for all the other girls in the locker room?

[–]n30na 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

Honestly.. this just highlights to me that locker rooms are really uncomfortable for everybody, and should be rethought entirely to give EVERYONE privacy, but hey.. that's just me.

[–]Protteus 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Except for the sports guys who are comfortable with their bodies in my experience.

[–]Fgame 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another solution I would be 100% OK with, in all honesty. And probably the best option

[–]alleigh25 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

Objectively, they should feel less uncomfortable changing in front of a straight transgender girl than in front of a lesbian.

Practically, however, I do think many high school girls would be uncomfortable, especially those who've been raised to believe there's no such thing as being transgender and think she's a pervy guy trying to see them naked.

Although, as a former teenage girl, there wasn't much nakedness in my high school locker room. Most girls didn't shower after gym, just changed, and even those who switched to a sports bra did so by putting it on and then taking the other off.

[–]markshire 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point but you can't say what makes people uncomfortable or not.

[–]sirin3 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Objectively, they should feel less uncomfortable changing in front of a straight transgender girl than in front of a lesbian.

The only logical solution is to have a single locker room for everyone

[–]EndiaBanana 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it's like OP said. What about lesbians? Does it have to do with sexual orientation at all, or is it about gender?

[–]Riverboat_Gambler 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes. A gay guy wouldn't be allowed to change in the girls' locker room due to his male physique, what tangible/pertinent difference does it make if it's a transgendered person? From the outside perspective, I mean - the transgendered person would obviously feel like a woman, whereas the gay man wouldn't.

[–]Readvoter 21ポイント22ポイント  (61子コメント)

So if there was a big, muscly transman (ftm) who had not had bottom surgery then he should change with the women? Wouldn't that make them more uncomfortable?

Why the hell does surgery matter? The only way you'd be able to tell the difference between someone who is Preop or post op is if you were looking at them while they changed. And if you're doing that, it's you who is making people uncomfortable, not them.

[–]Fgame 30ポイント31ポイント  (60子コメント)

No, I just have this crazy notion that dicks shouldn't be present in my daughters changing room. I don't think that's an unreasonable request. I don't care what you identify as. Gender and sex are not the same. If you're going to allow mtf transgender people to change in the girls changing room, you may as well not even have the gender separation at all.

[–]mikekearnThis isn't the flair you're looking for. 39ポイント40ポイント  (19子コメント)

A lot of places outside the U.S. don't have a gender separation for changing rooms in some areas. Communal baths and all that. Shockingly, a lot of these places also have much less taboo over the naked body, understanding that it's a totally natural part of life.

It's really only in the U.S. that we glorify violence and shame nudity.

[–]Babill 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

A lot of places outside the U.S.

What countries?

[–]Lady_Blackwood 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

A lot of places outside the U.S. don't have a gender separation for changing rooms

Exactly, I can't wrap my head around these people who are saying things like "I don't want my 8 year old daughter to see a penis," like wtf, 50% of the population has a penis, it's not some inherently dangerous thing that if your daughter sees she's going to be scarred forever.

[–]HenryPouet 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

People who both don't understand what being transgender is AND are puritan about it. It's the same mentality as "if we allow gay marriage then we allow pedophilia and zoophilia!".

[–]citrus_mystic 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

but why? honestly, what are the consequences of someone with a penis changing their clothes in the same locker room as your daughter?

Genuine question--not trying to instigate conflict, just trying to understand because I know a lot of people are uncomfortable with this thought.

[–]FletcherPF 24ポイント25ポイント  (13子コメント)

Are you accusing these hypothetical transgender girls of also intending to assault your daughter. In the school locker room. With 10-20 other girls there. Also the instructor nearby.

It's just as plausible that one of the boys walk down the hall and into the girls locker room. They don't actually lock any doors, or at least they didn't when I had to suffer through the high school locker room. Your irrational fear of an imaginary person's genitalia is the kind of thinking that makes it so hard for transgender people to be taken seriously and to get the healthcare they need as early as they need it.

Personally I would like to see forced changing in schools done away with entirely, it's a cruel thing to put anyone with any kind of social hangups through.

[–]elkab0ngCHARTRUSE 62ポイント63ポイント  (16子コメント)

Partially because nobody ever told them it was wrong.

[–]maybebaked 34ポイント35ポイント  (13子コメント)

I don't know why you got downvoted but I think that has a lot to do with it. If your parents are racist, homophobe pieces of shit, you probably will be too.

[–]MAKE_ME_REDDIT 76ポイント77ポイント  (11子コメント)

That's becoming less and less true with the Internet age. Newer generations are exposed to it more often and it becomes accepted. My parents are homophobic and racist but I was exposed to it so I'm not.

[–]Zagden 45ポイント46ポイント  (6子コメント)

Or you can be exposed to it and hate it even more. Sort any thread about race or gender here to controversial.

[–]CW2591 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same here. I'm from the deep south and raised in Baptist church. I was taught not to trust other races and homosexuals and that they were pretty much just bad uncivilized people. But moving to a different city for college and meeting a lot of different people and hearing people's stories completely changed my outlook. Now instead of being disgusted when I see or hear about these poeple, I am instead disgusted by my upbringing and the fact that I ever believed that shit.

[–]headfullofpetrol 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im finding more and more that this is the catalyst. When you're exposed to both extremes of the spectrum you're more likely to take the moderate path. I was raised southern pentecostal when at my dads but my mother was way more progressive and I find it easier to see the logic in lots of social situations where my peers who were raised solely one side or the other seem to be a bit more jaded. But thats just speculation.

[–]AladdinPoo 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

So if you have a vagina and you're into women, you can't possibly be a predator, but if you have a penis, you're 100% a predator?

[–]FinnSkeGREAT SCOTT! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So family or not I would have deleted them off my Facebook.

[–]CormanTPeople chewing carrots 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've thought the same thing about my family that are on Facebook: it must be exhausting keeping track of what to hate on a daily basis. It's astounding.

[–]upsidedownfunnel 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol about "foreign people", sure. They're just good old fashioned racist.

[–]Boukish 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Live in a way that minimizes your stress and realize people are idiots. - /u/assasstits, 2015

This could be a motivational poster.

[–]jpatton89 1121ポイント1122ポイント  (497子コメント)

These people are obviously extreme. But I can see moderates having an issue with a boy in the girls locker room as well.

My wife is a teacher and something very strange is happening at her school these past couple of weeks. A boy is claiming that he identifies as a girl. He doesn't dress like a girl or act feminine at all. But he identifies as a girl. The strange thing is that he also claims that he's a lesbian, too. This has put the school between a rock and a hard place. This boy says he feels uncomfortable dressing in the boys room. But when he uses the girls locker room, the other girls say they feel uncomfortable. The boys parents, and the parents of all the girls, are up in arms about this. The school is concerned about being sued. No one knows what to do. I just feel like all this accepting of people...however they are...is a slippery slope and can potentially be taken advantage of by some.

TLDR: A student claiming to be a "gay, pre-transition trans female" is using the girls locker room and is potentially lying in order to oggle the girls. The school can't do anything because they could maybe get sued. The girls/their parents are furious with the school.

[–]missitipsy 927ポイント928ポイント  (237子コメント)

If a student wants to skip recess because of allergies, they need a doctor's note. If a boy wants to identify as female and join the female locker room, he should have a psychologist's note. That's how you weed out the perv kids.

Not to suggest that I view gender identity issues as mental illnesses, but psychologists/psychiatrists would be the professionals one should seek out for advice in such a situation, correct?

Edit: I googled it, and gender dysphoria is totally in the DSM-V, which makes it officially a mental illness. I had in the past read articles critical of this view, so I assumed at the time that it shouldn't be a mental illness issue. But scientists decided to put it in a book, so there ya go.

[–]nephelokokkygia 263ポイント264ポイント  (78子コメント)

You're correct. Such notes are often requirements of beginning hormone treatments for transgender minors as well, so it seems reasonable enough to me.

[–]walkingtheriver 123ポイント124ポイント  (19子コメント)

Here in Denmark you have to have had several sessions with a psychiatrist to be classified as a transsexual. You cannot begin HRT before a psychiatrist has okayed it

[–]Twillard22 64ポイント65ポイント  (51子コメント)

If my daughter was in school and a boy wanted to change in the girls locker room, idc what he claims to be i would be highly upset. What if it's just a phase? Or a ruse? You don't get to have life handed to you. Some times what is good for the person isn't good for the pack. This is a case where he needs to get passed it or not play sports. Simple as that

[–]thehumangenius23 47ポイント48ポイント  (40子コメント)

that's the biggest thing to me. as much as they identify as being a girl, their physical attributes don't match that.

I can accept someone that identifies as another gender, but when you allow a physical male in a locker room of physical females, a line has been crossed. the girls have every right to feel uncomfortable.

[–]LackingTact19 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The last time I posted a similar comment I was intolerant and a bigot against trans people, sigh

[–]O-Face 189ポイント190ポイント  (50子コメント)

Not to suggest that I view gender identity issues as mental illnesses

...isn't it though? How is it not? You are of a certain sex and your brain is telling you the opposite. If you want to transition, don't you have to go to a psychiatrists first before they will give you the hormones to do so?

In what way would this not be a mental illness?

[–]the_epic_narwhal 60ポイント61ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he was just hesitant to call it that because of the heavy negative connotations that come with the word mental illness.

[–]missitipsy 67ポイント68ポイント  (43子コメント)

Y'know what? I googled it, and it's totally in the DSM-V so that literally makes it a mental illness. I have also read articles which are critical of viewing gender identity issues as mental illnesses, though. That's what made me assume it wasn't a mental health issue.

[–]frubbliness 141ポイント142ポイント  (21子コメント)

The confusion of whether being transgender is a mental illness comes from the fact that the mental distress is not a result of being transgender in and of itself, but the reality of being in a body that is the opposite of the identified gender - gender dysphoria. Transgenderism is not defined as a mental illness; gender dysphoria is defined as a mental illness. And you might wonder what difference it makes. It's that once a person transitions, their gender dysphoria can disappear and so the mental distress goes away, but they are still a transgender person. Just to clarify.

[–]EvilTomte 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's that once a person transitions, their gender dysphoria can disappear and so the mental distress goes away, but they are still a transgender person.

Just curious - how often does their mental distress go away? Do we have any statistics that say it actually helps? I read somewhere that suicide numbers for transgender people who've transitioned were high and that it doesn't really help any more than normal counselling/psychological help. I don't have a source now but I can try to find one later if necessary, but don't take what I said for fact of course.

[–]redesckey 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

As a post-transition man I can anecdotally say that my dysphoria has completely disappeared, thanks to the medical interventions I was able to access.

[–]missitipsy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Super helpful! Thanks!

[–]LeafRunner 59ポイント60ポイント  (9子コメント)

Hi, former psychology student here and quite the enthusiast. The DSM-V does by no means state that all cases of being transgender are indicative of what could be defined as a "mental illness", which essentially means something that greatly hinders your life or ability to function.

If you are transgender but you're happy and comfortable with your body, by whatever means, you don't have what would be called Gender Dysphoria. Please read the actual DSM-V entry and you'll see what I mean.

There are plenty of transgender people who function fine and are happy. Being transgender does not inherently indicate mental illness. This is the scientific consensus in the field of social science.

[–]Makes_Poor_Decisions 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

You need to read more closely. Being transgender is not in the DSM-V. Yes, Gender Dysphoria is, but part of the diagnosis for Dysphoria is suffering from distress as a result of feeling as though you are the wrong gender. While many Transgender people suffer from feelings of Dysphoria, most do not qualify for the medical diagnosis due to the fact that they are not in distress according to the DSM.

Additionally, it is important to understand the context behind WHY Gender Dysphoria is even in the DSM-V. Thankfully, I don't need to try and draw conclusions on the subject, as the APA literally wrote an explanation themselves.

A few relevant quotes:

"It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."

"For a person to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, there must be a marked difference between the individual’s expressed/experienced gender and the gender others would assign him or her, and it must continue for at least six months"

"Persons experiencing gender dysphoria need a diagnostic term that protects their access to care and won’t be used against them in social, occupational, or legal areas. When it comes to access to care, many of the treatment options for this condition include counseling, cross-sex hormones, gender reassignment surgery, and social and legal transition to the desired gender. To get insurance coverage for the medical treatments, individuals need a diagnosis. The Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders Work Group was concerned that removing the condition as a psychiatric diagnosis—as some had suggested—would jeopardize access to care."

[–]OtterOwnage 73ポイント74ポイント  (36子コメント)

Assuming the kid does get a psychologist's note affirming his gender identity as female, how does that help the girl students who feel uncomfortable with a biological male sharing their intimate space?

[–]Makes_Poor_Decisions 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Reposting this from below so it gets more visibility, the above poster is spreading misinformation.

You need to read more closely. Being transgender is not in the DSM-V. Yes, Gender Dysphoria is, but part of the diagnosis for Dysphoria is suffering from distress as a result of feeling as though you are the wrong gender. While many Transgender people suffer from feelings of Dysphoria, most do not qualify for the medical diagnosis due to the fact that they are not in distress according to the DSM.

Additionally, it is important to understand the context behind WHY Gender Dysphoria is even in the DSM-V. Thankfully, I don't need to try and draw conclusions on the subject, as the APA literally wrote an explanation themselves.

A few relevant quotes:

"It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."

"For a person to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, there must be a marked difference between the individual’s expressed/experienced gender and the gender others would assign him or her, and it must continue for at least six months"

"Persons experiencing gender dysphoria need a diagnostic term that protects their access to care and won’t be used against them in social, occupational, or legal areas. When it comes to access to care, many of the treatment options for this condition include counseling, cross-sex hormones, gender reassignment surgery, and social and legal transition to the desired gender. To get insurance coverage for the medical treatments, individuals need a diagnosis. The Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders Work Group was concerned that removing the condition as a psychiatric diagnosis—as some had suggested—would jeopardize access to care."

[–]maybemichelle 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's also important to note that the DSM no longer describes dysphoria as a disease, illness, or disorder.

Source:

Replacing “disorder” with “dysphoria” in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is “disordered.”

[–]EnadZT 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

which makes it officially a mental illness

That's going to be a massive shit storm when it comes up in debates

[–]jay212127 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why not change in a seperate room - like the coach's office (obviously without the coach in there). it is a single student so removing the student from both change rooms should alleviate both problems, without overtly offending anyone, as demanding a 3rd changeroom is likely financially unviable.

[–]handstands4stan 145ポイント146ポイント  (30子コメント)

I know this is unpopular, and I'm sorry. But even if the kid is lying I don't think he should be allowed to use the girls locker room. Making many uncomfortable shouldn't justify the comfort of one.

[–]MonsterBlash 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

The sign is for the sex, not the gender.
Penis on this side, vagina on the other.
Solved.

[–]AmirZ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what it should have been from the start and I thought it was actually..

[–]Sunbro666 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

couldn't they just have one big locker room with plywood stalls? Showers can have a door too. It works that way at some swimming pools I've been to, and I don't see why people don't just design locker rooms for schools or gyms the same way.

[–]Razorjuice 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there a reason he HAS to change in the girls room or the boys room? Can't he just change in an empty classroom or stall in another bathroom?

[–]Corndawgz 36ポイント37ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is literally the plot to a south park episode...

[–]WiWiWiWiWiWi 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, not literally. It's similar, but definitely not the same. Cartman just wanted a private bathroom for him, and only him, to shit in.

[–]zazu2006 80ポイント81ポイント  (41子コメント)

Thats why there should be a penis room and a vagina room... What tackle you sporting? ok you go in that room. I don't care about orientation just your biological sex.

[–]Weave77 50ポイント51ポイント  (34子コメント)

I agree. If you get gender reassignment surgery, then congrats- you get to switch locker rooms. Until then, you are in the room that coresponds to your biological sex.

[–]ExceptionToTheRule 34ポイント35ポイント  (9子コメント)

You sure about that? There are lots of Trans girls who look like every other girl in the world who would look out of place there.

[–]JackBond1234 45ポイント46ポイント  (8子コメント)

See, I learned a good 10 years ago that many labels were pointless, and what's important are the values and evaluations those labels represent.

Since then, society has completely abandoned that philosophy and is putting all its stock into self-ascribed labels.

In this case, gender separation is for the benefit of the evaluator, so self-evaluation is not only counterproductive, it defeats the whole purpose of the concept of gender.

For all that matters, a complete man may walk into a men's bathroom and make someone uncomfortable, and it really doesn't matter how that person identifies, he made someone uncomfortable. The onlooker's evaluation was made without any communication of self-identification.

It does then follow to ask what we should do about people's evaluations, and that (I would say) is nothing. Evaluations can be all over the place. We can't stop them, and we shouldn't pander to every wildly swinging view of the world.

This is why I take a very live-and-let-live philosophy. What goes on in your head is your business, whether you are a pretty pony princess inside, or are constantly offended by something. Neither can I force you to think differently, nor can you force me to stop doing whatever offends you.

[–]thehumangenius23 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

you're right, that's just kinda how it is.

as a black person, I have to accept that there's people out there that won't accept me. we can have all kinds of hashtags and media shaming, but in the end hateful people are gonna be hateful people.

a lot of transgender people are demanding to be accepted by everyone, and that's just not realistic. most people nowadays don't give a shit what other people do, we just need educate our kids on being independent thinkers and not attach self worth to others' opinions of us.

[–]dircs 31ポイント32ポイント  (26子コメント)

This does not surprise me. I remember there being plenty of weird/creepy guys in high school who would be more than willing to claim that they identify as female in order to use the girls locker room. The question is, how do you distinguish who uses what without using physical characteristics? The only other alternative I see is to designate build 4 sets of locker rooms (male, female, ftm, and mtf), which would be very expensive.

[–]Iohet 35ポイント36ポイント  (6子コメント)

The only alternative is to clarify that locker rooms identify sex not gender

[–]dircs 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sorry, I may have been unclear. I meant that having 4 locker rooms is the only alternative to reaffirming that locker rooms are based on sex (physical characteristics) rather than gender (self-identification) which addresses this problem. Which I believe is what you're saying as well.

[–]wakka54 14ポイント15ポイント  (15子コメント)

Are the boys parents actually supporting his actions?

[–]jpatton89 44ポイント45ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've tried making this comment a few times but people keep downvoting me. The answer to your question is yes, they support him. His parents are lesbians. For some reason, people want to downvote me for mentioning that fact.

[–]WiWiWiWiWiWi 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Eric Cartman would be proud of this kids level of trolling.

[–]uni-twit 11ポイント12ポイント  (38子コメント)

Surely transgender kids go through rounds of therapy; has this student?

[–]oEMPYREo 14ポイント15ポイント  (27子コメント)

I had to do some legal research on this subject and there are also those who identify as female but do not have to get any work done to be considered transgender. Then what do you do? You get a boy who is getting no work done to his body or changing his appearance, just a normal looking boy, now wanting to use the girls' locker room.

I had to do research on employment discrimination on a similar issue, but with adults.

[–]moeburn 107ポイント108ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is the sub for when the ring comes off your pudding can, not this shit, jeez

[–]SketchyLogic 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Take my pen knife, my good man.

[–]Bensas42 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mildly Infuriating ≠ "I fucking hate my family"

[–]lordmadone 126ポイント127ポイント  (20子コメント)

If you hate your family, how is this just "mildly infuriating"?

[–]ChuckFiinleyDemoman 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feels like an instantaneous situation, I'm sure they aren't always like "I'm gonna kick this transgender's nuts".

[–]Gailyn 47ポイント48ポイント  (15子コメント)

When I was in high school, I felt uncomfortable dressing in front of other girls, so I always dressed in a bathroom stall. I personally don't feel comfortable with people I don't know seeing my body, regardless of their sex. With that being said, whether a girl or MtF person is uncomfortable or not, they can just dress somewhere else if that's important to them. I think accommodations can be made.

Edit: a word

[–]CuilRunnings 92ポイント93ポイント  (42子コメント)

The kid turned down a private bathroom. I'm sure at least some of the girls with girl parts felt really uncomfortable changing in front of the girl in question. It's this entitled attitude that causes a harsh negative reaction.

[–]camdoodlebopirish wristwatch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would have loved to change in my own private bathroom in high school omg

[–]PM_me_a_scary_thing 145ポイント146ポイント  (68子コメント)

Hey! We have the same family! (not literally didn't mean to freak you out)

I liked your question at the end, I ask it a lot and never get a good answer.

[–]Elliot850 38ポイント39ポイント  (11子コメント)

I like to think of everyone's expressions as representative of what they think of themselves, like how Carl Jung explained the shadow and projecting traits on people.

Folks who are negative about others are just projecting their own insecurities and probably don't like themselves very much. Every insult they hurl is a commentary on how they really feel about themselves.

[–]DerpTheGinger 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

But

I hate myself, but I'm super accepting of strangers.

[–]wawagobbler 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if you're just projecting this inner psychological fantasy world of yours on the negative people so you can describe their actions and behaviors without any sort of evidence that they're actually "negative people" who "don't like themselves very much"? Who's doing the projecting NOW!?

[–]tiller921 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't know man, I call people faggot a lot but I'm like 88% sure I don't want to suck a dick.

[–]N307H30N3 70ポイント71ポイント  (12子コメント)

well, to be fair... its an extremely touchy subject with some people. where do you draw the line? if i wear a dress and say i identify as a female, do i start using the womans locker room and bathroom? do i need to have some type of surgery? are breasts enough or do i need to also get some work done "down there"?

i support equal rights all the way. its just hard to find a point that most people can agree on. just because you and i think a certain way (i mean shit, we can say if half the population think this way) it doesn't make it acceptable pr appropriate to everyone.

[–]WiWiWiWiWiWi 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

According to many, you don't even need a dress. Maybe just a necklace and a barrette. And to many others, you don't even need to do that -- you just need to say the magic words "I'm a girl" and like magic, you are.

[–]N307H30N3 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

you don't even need a dress

well, wheres the fun in that ಠ_ಠ

[–]lispychicken 53ポイント54ポイント  (22子コメント)

I like discussing the other side on hot button topics -

Are people not allowed to feel uncomfortable any more and have to lovingly accept everything, every ideal, every one? If someone dislikes something, they get vilified. Is that fair? Is it fair that the transgender gets vilified? Nope. So why does the person who disagrees with the transgenders lifestyle choice get vilified?

So ignore the violent response guy in OP's post, what if someone said "A person born a man, now living life as a woman, coming into our locked room.. naked.. makes me feel uncomfortable" Why is that not tolerated/accepted but people are asking for their lifestyle/sexuality/gender to be tolerated/accepted is fine?

It really feels like a one-way street.

[–]LeMonkeyFace6 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're exactly right; sometimes we get caught up too much in the wellbeing of the minority, and neglect the majority.

[–]baldeagle1776 401ポイント402ポイント  (477子コメント)

I'm sorry but I don't want my daughter changing in a locker room with another man. Call me old fashioned because I don't have a kid and am in my mid twenties

[–]wakaismywaifu2 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't worry I won't call you old fashioned, I'll call you a disgusting uneducated transphobic piece of trash, except trash can be recycled or maybe turned to compost to actually help this earth of ours in some way while you just take up space and precious resources such as oxygen and food.

[–]Kafke 24ポイント25ポイント  (34子コメント)

Right, I agree. Which is why you shouldn't force trans girls to change with the men.

[–]wolfhammer93 33ポイント34ポイント  (11子コメント)

But it's totally ok if guys take creepshots of other peoples daughters?

[–]illusorycrab 49ポイント50ポイント  (6子コメント)

The fact that guys do things like that is exactly why he feels uncomfortable about his daughter changing with a man in the room.

[–]UnicornPantaloons 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

If she wanted to see women naked she could fucking type boobs into Google not change her entire life.

[–]RealityIsMyReligion 58ポイント59ポイント  (121子コメント)

Would you want your son to change in front of a trans-girl? Would you want your daughter changing in front of a lesbian?

[–]Jander97 86ポイント87ポイント  (102子コメント)

If you have a teenage daughter there's a good chance she's changed or showered around a lesbian or bi chick, so what?

[–]aahdin 39ポイント40ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, I don't really get the big issue. If someone is harassing people in the locker room that's something they should get suspended for, regardless of gender.

Is everyone just afraid that they might see a dick? Because it's honestly pretty easy to avoid looking at someone's penis. I've used a lot of locker rooms, and overall spent very little time looking at wiener.

[–]GuyAboveIsStupid 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

Then why have seperate changing rooms and locker rooms at all?

[–]Costco1L 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's exactly what I told the cops, but no, apparently the janitor is not allowed to shower with the girls' volleyball team.

[–]JPost 276ポイント277ポイント  (147子コメント)

Penises go in male locker room. Vaginas go in female locker room.

[–]genderish 65ポイント66ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah lets have big muscular trans men walking into the women's room. That's surely not gonna turn some heads. And I totally feel safe in the men's room in my skirt. There are literally no documented cases of trans people conducting themselves inappropriately in public restrooms. We just need to pee.

[–]Ketchary 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

Change rooms have a very different social context to bathrooms.

[–]Lady_Blackwood 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

For no reason other than the ones that adults, who aren't even using them, put on them.

[–]BCSteve 75ポイント76ポイント  (80子コメント)

I'll copy my comment from somewhere else in this thread:

So.... going by your rules, this person should use the women's locker room, because he has a vagina.

And this person should use the men's locker room, because she has a penis.

I think most people wouldn't place them like that. And that means there's more to it than just what's between your legs.

(Those people are both trans porn stars: Buck Angel and Bailey Jay.)

[–]Ketchary 133ポイント134ポイント  (16子コメント)

I think the simple answer is "yes", to both of those questions. You obviously looked for the biggest extremes that you could, and even for those people when they were young enough to be in school their other masculine/feminine features wouldn't have been as distinct. For seeing gender in kids you look at hair, face shape, and clothing. For seeing gender in adults you look at the chest area, shoulders, and clothing.

[–]I_divided_by_0- 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Question... What Highschool transperson looks like either one of those?

[–]John_Barleycorn 12ポイント13ポイント  (18子コメント)

Did you post this article to your own Facebook page?

[–]lonelyspirit[S] 34ポイント35ポイント  (17子コメント)

No, family member that hates gays, mexicans, gay mexicans and transgender people posted it to his wall. I commented on it.

[–]sashadabinski 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reddit.... All inclusive..... as long as believe in what we believe

[–]emacpgh 86ポイント87ポイント  (27子コメント)

In all honesty, I'm not sure someone who has a penis should be using the same locker room as high school girls. Instead of "girls" or "boys" locker room, I guess it should be "penis" or "vagina" locker room.

[–]MrMallowO M F G 44ポイント45ポイント  (23子コメント)

this is exactly right. locker rooms have nothing to do with sexual orientation, gay students still use their respective locker rooms and this should be no different. Its not bigoted to think so either, its a matter of ALL of the students comfort, changing in group locker rooms is hard enough on young students as it is.

[–]ssaa6oo 23ポイント24ポイント  (12子コメント)

ITT: People who think every opinion besides their own is bigotry.

[–]kumiosh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

As my SO would be happy to confirm, I just stay the fuck away from FB for different (yet similar) reasons.

A hint at those reasons: I live in UT.

[–]geobloke 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking hate doesn't equal mildly infuriating

[–]alkizmo 114ポイント115ポイント  (29子コメント)

I wanna go into the women's changing room as well. I am not a transgender, but it shouldn't matter.

[–]Elfking88 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think many here are saying that people should be able to change wherever they want... Seems a lot just say they should be diagnosed with gender dysphoria first.

You may want to make light of it but it is an issue. TG people are often worried to use either bathroom for fear of violence or accusations.

[–]klaghatagh 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Multiple levels here to get mildlyinfuriated at: you've got transphobia and homophobia, but you've also got someone who uses "either" where he should have used "neither"!

Guy is literally Hitler.

[–]VibeKilled 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

This school is 15 mins away from me, the whole county's facebook page wit this post, was full of parents calling the girl a pedo, creep and piece of shit that could die. Its sad and ignorant too be honest.