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DRAMA[Drama] Anti GamerGate go Pedo Apologist over LeoPirate exposé. (self.KotakuInAction)

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Katherine Cross and KivaBay: https://twitter.com/whenindoubtdo/status/638602928639504384

A man in black: https://twitter.com/a_man_in_black/status/638594214410907648

Tauriq Moosa thinks pedophiles are harmless people: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNyPbMlVAAAaGk_.jpg:large

Alex Lifschitz : http://imgur.com/q2dWTFN

Ashley Lynch: http://imgur.com/mTpHnMR

Chris Kluwe: https://twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/status/638529067680006144

Arthur Chu: http://imgur.com/d1Hnzw7

Definition:

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger"

So yes the logs are enough evidence to prove it.

Welcome to Anti-GamerGate where lolicon is problematic but being attracted to children isn't

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[–]AlseidesDD 158ポイント159ポイント  (38子コメント)

Callously labeling thousands of people as pedophiles over and over while trying to plant evidence: Acceptable actions for social justice

Calling out a self-admitted pedophile for attempting to have sexual contact with an under-aged cousin: Vile because the pedophile is a trans.

Okay.

[–]EastGuardian 10ポイント11ポイント  (36子コメント)

Callously labeling thousands of people as pedophiles over and over while trying to plant evidence: Acceptable actions for social justice

I'm Catholic and I've seen this type of action done against Catholics for years.

[–]iamoverrated 45ポイント46ポイント  (11子コメント)

Just like how the archdiocese cut deals with governments to ensure many of their pedo priest got off scot free?

Or perhaps how they did the pedo shuffle and moved priests who came out as being pederasses to new parishes so they could start the horrible cycle over and over again?

There's a mountain of evidence and thousands of victims when it comes to the vatican's misdoings and cover ups.

[–]zenmod3 2ポイント3ポイント  (21子コメント)

except the leaders of the catholic church have been found time and time again to molest children. or do you think that evidence was all planted? hmm?

[–]codeGrit 29ポイント30ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think you miss his point. The few priests who did this have been used as a way to label all Christians as children fuckers by both the (liberal) media and liberals in general.

And yes, in the grand scheme of things it was really only a few priests. Christianity is huge, so 100 or so priests is really just a few.. a few too many, of course, but a few none the less.

[–]EastGuardian 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

People ignore statistics when it comes to the sex abuse scandal.

[–]Khar-Selim 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem wasn't that they were a large thing IIRC. The problem was that they NEVER FIRED THEM. They just reshuffled them to different dioceses and looked the other way. The point was they handled the whole issue completely inappropriately.

[–]EastGuardian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So when then-Cardinal Ratzinger defrocked a lot of those criminals, it's not firing them?

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    [–]cfl1 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Except that the rate of pedophilia among priests was lower than among school teachers, college professors, BBC personalities...

    [–]EastGuardian 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

    You missed the point. You assumed that the sex abuse scandal was fake. Let me say here for the record that it's real for the most part. The problem is that it was handled as a media circus by the mainstream media and there have been some cases of false rape accusations as well during the whole thing. In my opinion, it should have been handled with an eye towards closure, justice and truth by the mainstream media. Instead, they turned it into something akin to a witch hunt.

    [–]GameDivinerPaolo Munoz, a divine gamer \ Got no business at GGinRVA 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Media doing witch hunts and creating a false atmosphere of fear-mongering to further a narrative?

    That sounds vaguely familiar...

    [–]HolyThirteenRule34K get! 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    We all have a backlog of "Listen and Believe" to go through, don't we?

    [–]EastGuardian 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Even the whole false rape allegation problem that we have right now started in the sex abuse scandal as far as the mainstream media is concerned.

    [–]HolyThirteenRule34K get! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We should all certainly abandon the assumption that something does not automatically become true by being repeated hundreds of times.

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      [–]FiestaTortuga 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      How, exactly, is the cover up of a massive scandal by clergy not in support of that argument?

      Furthermore, you should read the history of your own religion along with the recent history of the Vatican, including the Rat Lines allowing Nazis to escape Germany at the end of WWII.

      If you can read the entire history of Christianity and remain a Christian, you are either a noble liar or a morally disgusting person.

      But, that's just like, my evidence based opinion, man.

      /former Catholic

      [–]EastGuardian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      To quote what you said earlier, false equivalence much? The sex abuse scandal is not the rat lines.

      [–]Fenrir007 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Privilege much?

      [–]YukitoBurrito 205ポイント206ポイント  (39子コメント)

      this entire mess has caused a strange rage inside me that I have not felt before. These people have drunk the koolaid so hard that they will ignore the safety of a child, the one ingrained instinct in every man and woman alive to protect the young and defenseless, simply to spite those who support gamergate. They have thrown morality and human decency to the wayside.

      I used to think that there was some hope for these people, but today, they lost what little respect I had for them as human beings.

      [–]LutjaSuki 91ポイント92ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Have you heard about rotherham? at least 1,400 girls (under 16) and thousands of others all over the country raped, drugged and held in sex slavery for over 10 years with the collusion of the local council, social workers and the police.

      Why? They were afraid of being called racist or giving support to people they though of as racist.

      the reaction of media feminists to actual rape culture? I expect you can guess, but a day after the revelations a newspaper described a politician as a mother (or something) and the suddenly quiet twitter mob all started talking again.

      [–]QuasiQwazi 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Child abuse rarely happens in a vacuum. There are many witnessing it and enabling it. With the Socjus crowd they are quietly endorsing it because any non binary sexual preference is free to do whatever it wants. They are terrified of being called transphobic just like the social workers in England were afraid of being called racist.

      The way around this is to rob the words racist, transphobic etc of their power.

      [–]cha0stat tvam asi 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

      The way around this is to rob the words racist, transphobic etc of their power.

      The problem with this approach is there is actual racism and bigotry of all kinds in the world. By trying to "rob the words of their power", you only embolden people who will insist ever stronger that we shine a light on the problem.

      i.e. throwing out the baby with the bath water

      [–]Litmust_Testme -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      What is racism and bigotry though? Is it confused with xenophobia, or ignorance of the Other, or the proclivity for human beings to trust people who are related or behave like them to them more? Using these archaic terms based on pseudoscience to describe human interactions are at this point a detriment to growth.

      [–]tron423 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Don't forget how much it ended up emboldening the actual racists in groups like the English Defense League. There were even public protests IIRC.

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        [–]zagielCan apparently tell the future 0_o 86ポイント87ポイント  (14子コメント)

        welcome to the religion of social justice

        [–]cfl1 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

        welcome to the religioncult of social justice

        [–]zyk0s 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It was never about social justice, it was about belonging to a clan and defending the clan. When they talk about diversity, feminism, transphobia and all the jazz, their emotional investment is with the idea, not with the people who those ideas are supposed to help. We knew it was the case when they mocked notyourshield, and we see it again now.

        [–]md1957 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I didn't want to believe what I was seeing at first. But the evidence is right there. These people have gone well beyond any sense of credibility.

        This is just...sickening.

        [–]VerGreeneyes 35ポイント36ポイント  (8子コメント)

        I assume they think "my friend would never do something like that" and "they're just doing this because they hate her". The latter is probably true, though Sarah Nyberg has given us ample reason by being a hypocritical piece of shit (for instance, trying to get GG in trouble for child porn when she's a pedophile). The former though.. either they're all pedophiles themselves, or they refuse to read those chat logs (directly or otherwise). I don't think you can look at that 'Dana' stuff (her cousin) and not think this person is delusional about what impact her actions might be having on this young child.

        [–]DanteFTW 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

        well if what kluwless said about that locker room is true, he might be one

        [–]A_random_otter 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Dana

        Actually this is a solid lead for law enforcment or investigative journos. Should be easy enough to find out whether Sarah has a cousin named dana...

        [–]MCUMCU1 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

        She does. Someone on /cow/ on 8chan found her (not gonna link for obvious reasons).

        All of the details that Sarah mentioned in the logs fit perfectly - name, age, location, hair color, little brother, relationship to Sarah, and so on.

        [–]Jack-Browser/r/TheCommentGraveyard 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Haven't been there after the links dropped - there was discussion if the parents should be alerted. Do you know what they decided?

        [–]MCUMCU1 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I just checked the thread. It's not clear whether anyone has contacted the parents. The poster who located Dana seemed like they were going to do it, but there aren't any updates one way or the other.

        [–]Jack-Browser/r/TheCommentGraveyard 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thanks for the update, could be the /cowboy/ is feeding Milo, who knows?

        [–]corruptigon2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        i hope they do, safety of the children come before potential annoying false allegations made in private

        [–]ibbibby 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Given what Butts said about the father allowing her to be alone to "cuddle" with Dana after telling him about her proclivities, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he's complicit in child molestation himself.

        [–]BlackBison 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        "The safety of a child"? Who cares about that? Churning out false propaganda against GamerGate 24/7 is WAY more important than the well-being of minors!

        [–]Locastor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        simply to spite those who support gamergate

        This is really the rub of the thing.

        If I had to throw you people under the bus on Twitter to pull a literal child out from under a literal bus, I would (and then I'd recant my tweet later).

        aGG is so far down the rabbit hole they'd start ranting about Milo, privilege, intersectionality, Anita etc etc and let that child get crushed.

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          [–]Webringtheshake 73ポイント74ポイント  (3子コメント)

          She admitted it was her in the logs then: https://archive.is/21pZK

          Gee, that's awkward, better ignore it.

          [–]Dog_Lawyer_DDS 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Im a horrible person based on a site that libels people

          The chatlogs are real

          ITS NOT LIBEL IF ITS TRUE. PICK ONE YOU DISGUSTING HYPOCRITE PEDO FUCK

          how the FUCK can these people declare that they are proud to expose personal conversations/jokes from people they claim to be "racists and sexists" (donglegate), take anything out of context and run to the person's employer like a child running to the teacher at recess, and then turn around and fucking support a thing that made its 8 year old cousin the subject of fucking pornography. I'm just stunned at the audacity.

          By the way, I'm not choosing those pronouns as a political statement, I have no problem with trans individuals, I choose those pronouns because I dont regard Sarah Butts as human.

          [–]M3_Drifter 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ITS NOT LIBEL IF ITS TRUE.

          But but but...

          everyone behaved in similar ways.

          So it's OK!

          /s

          [–]TheSpookiestSkeleton 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yep- this needs to go to the top.

          [–]Ivodivim 52ポイント53ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Correct me if I'm wrong, but are these people, who tried to shut down 8chan because they said it harbors pedos, now defending pedophilia?

          [–]Wolfbeckett 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If you're surprised by double standards from that side at this point, then you really haven't been paying attention.

          "Screencap evidence of someone being a pedophile? That's just slander and lies, nobody should believe it! Some random jackhole accused Gamergate of being a hate group with no evidence provided whatsoever? I TOTALLY BUY THAT NO QUESTIONS ASKED, BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!"

          [–]Geocities_SEO_Expert 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          More evidence for the large pile, the people shrieking the loudest are the ones with the most to feel guilty over. Normal people don't have to be obsessive agitators, because we don't have closets full of skeletons.

          [–]deltax20a 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

          So let me get this straight. When Zoe Quinn has the chat logs, they're 100% legit, fully vetted, and absolutely correct, but when ED or someone else has the chat logs, they're false, 100% fabricated, and libelous slander?

          It's gone past gymnastics. They're doing orbital maneuvers.

          [–]TheSpookiestSkeleton 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Even better- chatlogs from the website the person in question ran and managed too.

          So it's like we're some sort of serbian double hacker shadow agent that can time travel and plant evidence in archives and in present day servers.

          [–]TheSpookiestSkeleton 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Some of the delusion in those links, jesus christ.

          It's all fabricated! IT'S NOT TRUE!!! (Double funny since one "example" of a fabrication is Anita saying she's not a gamer... From her own videos before all this. By her admission.)

          THEY ARE UNALTERED LOGS DIRECTLY FROM FFSHRINE! ONE OF THE SHITTY "JOKES" IS NOW THE DESCRIPTION FOR THE ART BOARD TO THIS DATE!

          Holy fuck and a half, you could have someone physically, in person, hold up a self time stamped photo of them doing something bad and if they were anti-gg then they would say we figured out how to project holograms or hack reality.

          [–]BobMugabe35 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

          A vulnerable target gets marked by an abuser.

          Boy these people go from badass internet warriors putting us whiteboys in our places to vulnerable victims of abuse from 0 to 60 don't they.

          [–]Eirianwen 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Anyway, all of these people have a platform or have been given a platform to talk geek and gaming culture, and/ or GG. And they're all apparently defending "their friend" who is a self-confessed paedophile that may or may not have actually acted on it (some of the chat logs indicate it's a possibility, from Leo's video).

          That's why this is relevant to GG and to people in geek and gaming outside of GG.

          The media and industry listens to these people when they talk about you and your hobbies. Better known names in the geek community associate with them and lend them even more credibility.

          These people talk down to us, smear us, lie about us, from their platforms. And by 'us' I don't just mean people that can be branded "GG". I mean geeks and gamers that don't fit in to their ideal world, that were being slandered and smeared before GG became a catch-all boogieman for the press. And yet here they are, after throwing every disgusting little insult and smear they can at GG this last year, again rushing to deflect criticism of one of their own after they've been shown to be someone harmful. I thought defending an outed abuser and enabling further abuse of their victim was bad enough, is the media going to sink even lower by supporting Butts and giving these people air time too?

          Butts may be nobody of relevance outside the constant hounding she does of GG posters (or maybe she's a guest author at The Mary Sue: https://archive.is/UoXsc ), but at least some of the people rushing to brush these findings and allegations under the carpet certainly aren't. People, especially the media, listen and believe them.

          [–]kennystrife 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          People, especially the media, listen and believe them.

          Precisely. That's why things like this are important. This isn't a slapfight with aGGros. GG is, and has always been, a war of words. Two sides giving their arguments to the general public, and whoever does the best job wins. AGGros have the advantage of good PR, but we've got the advantage of facts. When an oft-quoted aGGro source, someone with dozens of "friends" among bigger names that spread their words everywhere, is caught engaging in hypocrisy of this magnitude, it's important. It shows the world just how credible and moral they really are(n't).

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          [–]jonathanrp 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I like how they act like it's because she's trans that people are going after her. Like honestly, I could not give less of a fuck whether you're a transgender or cisgendered, I only care about your actions. To these people, identity trumps actions, and it's fucking ridiculous

          [–]kaotik-weevil 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Wow, this brought all the level 50 aGGs to the table, yay!

          [–]Borigrad 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Just watched the video, I didn't realize Nyburg was also grooming her own family member from as young as 8. That is just really evil, anyone who can willfully defend such a person, who grooms their own family to be a victim of child molestation is sick in the head. It's like that Lena Dunham shit.

          [–]ThrowawayTechJourno 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

          It's a pretty odd day when /r/watchpeopledie is some of the least disturbing shit you see today.

          Watching LeoPirate's video made me more nauseas than eating a fuck-tonne of green apples.

          [–]md1957 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

          So that's what Outer Hell looks like.

          [–]Laytonaster 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If men become demons in Outer Heaven, I can only imagine how things work in Outer Hell.

          [–]TacticusThrowaway 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNyPbMlVAAAaGk_.jpg:large

          Yes, because being trans means she should be exempt from all criticism.

          http://i.imgur.com/mTpHnMR.png

          Anita admitting she doesn't game shortly before starting Femfreq, and repeatedly making errors about the games she actually uses in her series is "concocted".

          Okay.

          I like how she's complaining about GG "mudslinging" trying to discredit people when she's mudslinging trying to discredit GG.

          [–]codeGrit 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I just love how srhbutts seems to think it's okay to like 8 year old girls because "everyone else was a pedophile!". This is the same person who did nothing but attack 8chan for loli. And yet, here she is, admitting to being attracted to her 8 year old cousin.

          Not only that, she flat out says "I'm a pedophile." And she goes to great lengths to make sure it's okay "It doesn't have to be sex, and even if it is they are old enough to decide to fuck me!"

          What a disgusting fucking human being. She definitely belongs on the same side as Kluwe and Chu.

          [–]s0v3r1gnhttps://imgur.com/a/MdrS 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Funny, it's almost like the ones that scream first and loud about how reprehensible something is are just trying to cover for them actually doing or being that horrible something.

          [–]KainYusanagi 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          See: the Paedophile Pastors.

          [–]jasondhsd 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

          tl,dr she's nice

          Oh well that makes it OK, doesn't it? I wonder how Dana's parents feel, sure there's no proof that nothing happened between them but if you were her parents wouldn't you now be extremely scared & worried if something did happened between? Thinking back wondering if they were ever alone together? I hope somehow that video makes it around to them so they can ask their daughter about it and if that fucking pedo did do something with her that they get her (Dana), to speak with someone....that's the kinda shit that fucks you up for the rest of your life.

          [–]enemyfallout 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yeah I think the cops really need to get involved.

          [–]lvl99SkrubRekker 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Context? I am late to get in on this one.

          [–]pyfrag 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

          I guess you should just watch this...

          [–]Razboto 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That is utterly fucked up. I didn't realise how deluded and warped these people are.

          [–]hydra877 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I felt like dying 4 minutes in. What the fuck.

          [–]Ramzaria 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Watched the whole thing and...how come this is not evidence?! How the heck this is photoshop? Those people are inhuman.

          [–]Blakred 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          OH MY FUCKING GOD WAT

          [–]TacticusThrowaway 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPKOSvo3AJM

          [–]safarizone_account 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

          this... is really disgusting.

          So, she literally says "I'm a pedophile" As in word-for-word admits to it, but because she's fucking trans and says mean things about GamerGate they're willing to shrug their shoulders over the fact that she likely molested an eight year old girl.

          And GG are the badguys.

          Fuck I hate the world.

          [–]Sockpuppet30342 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

          There are some pedophiles who are harmless, but they're not the ones who talk like Sarah does. There are ones who are horrified that they have that attraction and those that think it's fine, Sarah clearly falls into the latter.

          [–]Brutus_and_Balzaak 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

          How the fuck is this defensible? She's not only a self-confessed peado, she was grooming and taking pics of her 8yo cousin to share online!

          [–]minecraftimous 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I think when she is quote numerous times by news outlets for narrative purposes, she's a public figure.

          [–]BlutargA riot of fabulousness! 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think if a person is going on and on about how "hot" they think an 8-year-old is, it doesn't matter a millionth of a fraction of an iota if they're a public figure or not.

          [–]Mantergeistmann(◕‿◕✿) 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Wait, Butts runs FFShrine? Man, I liked that site, too.

          [–]ggthxnore 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The attacks against @srhbutts exist for one reason and reason alone, because she is critical of and screencaps GG.

          Oh, is that why?

          So I wonder why every other prolific aGGro isn't being smeared with pedo chat logs of "dubious origin"? Because there are so few of them out there, you know.

          Anyway, I just respect people's rights to self-identify. She proclaimed proudly and repeatedly that she was a pedophile, how dare anyone erase her identity!

          [–]Immahnoob 63ポイント64ポイント  (11子コメント)

          Tauriq Moosa thinks pedophiles are harmless people

          Welcome to Anti-GamerGate where lolicon is problematic but being attracted to children isn't

          None of them should be problematic though. An attraction without a person acting on it is simply a fantasy. You're committing a thought crime otherwise.

          Srhbutts is trying to give out pics of his 8-year-old cousin. That's actually the issue here, not him being a pedophile.

          [–]McDouggal 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I'd actually argue that in a total vacuum, the mental condition of pedophilia isn't necessarily evil. It should just be treated like any other mental illness.

          That goes right out the window when they start diddling a kid though.

          [–]Devidose 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Which is mostly because the term "paedophile" is now used as an analogy for "child abuser" despite being very different things. Even the use of the term paedophile is often used incorrectly as it's part of a spectrum of chronophilia that deals with prepubescent children. When it's used in regards to someone that's current or post pubescent than it's not what the general public tend to label as paedophilia, but rather Hebephilia and Ephebophilia, respectively.

          But of course words are evil, and knowing them clearly indicates someone must have something dodgy about them if they know such words like this? [My reasons are I know a lot of Latin due to my work, and enjoy etymology while figuring out words].

          At least that's the experiences I often encounter, which are admittedly ad hominem responses rather than actual discussion.

          [–]jwyche005 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I completely agree. That is unforgivable totally and completely.

          [–]Immahnoob 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'd actually argue that in a total vacuum, the mental condition of pedophilia isn't necessarily evil.

          In a total vacuum, there is no such thing as "evil". "Evil" is a human coined term that really has no objective basis. Anyway...

          It should just be treated like any other mental illness.

          I don't see how it's a mental illness, but ok, homosexuality is also a mental illness.

          That goes right out the window when they start diddling a kid though.

          Yes, of course it does. That's what I said.

          [–]EastGuardian 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

          And yet people like me are called rape apologists just because of that damn sex abuse scandal.

          [–]Immahnoob 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Witch hunts are a great strategy for PR, as the public tends to be quite gullible.

          I'd say, the best thing is to not even deny it, just outright ignore it or claim it is irrelevant to the argument. We shouldn't do it because we want to be better than them, right? Even if we are just as "human". This is the long term reward way of doing things.

          [–]EastGuardian -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Add to that how the mainstream media goes after Catholicism and how readily people "listen and believe" anything anti-Catholic without even doing anything resembling fact-checking and that's the problem that I've seen.

          As for your solution, I've seen a slightly better way - address their attacks separately from the actual topic. That way, the discourse won't get derailed and the problem can be addressed.

          [–]Immahnoob 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I do that myself because I find it entertaining, but it's not a good idea because they'll still use it against you. They'll force it as the main topic.

          [–]bad_pattern8 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

          and you scoffed when people told you they would be normalizing pedophilia next

          [–]Dog_Lawyer_DDS 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

          it is the next station on the train of their fucked up logic. the problem is, of course, that anyone with any respect for reality would have gotten off the train some time before approaching the pedophilia question

          [–]Brutus_and_Balzaak 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

          How the fuck is this defensible? She's not only a self-confessed peado, she was grooming and taking pics of her 8yo cousin to share online!

          aGG/Ghazi: is this seriously the fucking hill you choose to die on?

          [–]DepravedMutant 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If I remember right their defense of her was that it's a different Sarah on those chatlogs. Seems pretty definite that it's the same person though.

          [–]xxflexluthorxx 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Does anyone else find it strange that white sjws use the word fuckboi when:

          1. Its appropriating southern black culture
          2. It means effeminate faggot

          [–]amishbreakfast 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Fuckboy always sounds to me like they're talking dirty during sex.

          "You like that? You like when I do that, fuckboy? Mmmmyeah, you're my horny fuckboy. Say it. Say you're my fuckboy."

          [–]ARealLibertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          1. They care about those Negros so much that it's OK when they do it.
          2. Gay men are now privileged.

          [–]BlackBison 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

          I swear to Jeebus, these people are either insane or so drunk on the SJW Kool-Aid that they've chucked their sense of decency out the door.

          There are pages upon pages of verified chatlogs from butts' own site where she talks about wanting to sexually abuse her 8 year old cousin.

          I'll bet $100 that the minute she gets busted by the FBI for downloading child porn, a lot of these dickcheeses are going to act like they had NO idea that butts was a pedo or that they TOTALLY tried to warn everyone about her.

          [–]NoOneWhere 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Or they blame the FBI for being 'pro-GG'/misogynist and being selective about who they investigate.

          Tbh, while not the top possibility, I could totally see that happening.

          [–]slimthigh 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

          The FBI is a misogynistic Mens Rights organization.

          [–]amishbreakfast 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          On my laptop I have a saved screencap of someone actually saying that.

          [–]ARealLibertarian 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          That is what Ghazi actually believes.

          [–]slimthigh 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Ghazi has uncovered our secret collusion. Maybe they should start a hashtag against FBI.

          [–]Ironwolf113 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

          How are they this fucking dense? Oh wait these are the same fucking people who where given evidence of Brianna Wu trying to get victim points on the Steam forums. Then shot it back in several dilussional ways from "It was Photoshop" to "Doesn't matter, she is trying to create a dialogue."

          The fucking asteroid could come towaeds earth tomorrow and I swear these people would deny it's existence because, "It would suck to die, it can't happen to us!"

          [–]KainYusanagi 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Anyone who thinks this is new behaviour, it isn't. http://breendoggle.wikia.com/wiki/Breendoggle_Wiki and http://deirdre.net/marion-zimmer-bradley-its-worse-than-i-knew/

          [–]bipolarTwo 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I'm missing it, was LeoPirate's expose linked here or posted somewhere?

          [–]FreeMel 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

          LeoPirate's expose

          Google that term and it comes up as the first video. Supposedly the original post was deleted by our mods.

          [–]bipolarTwo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Huh, okay, basically a rehash of a lot of the ED stuff, except goes a bit more, disturbingly, in depth with the chat logs.

          I think Sarah and Chris Kluwe are quite a match.

          [–]Rygar_the_Beast 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Isnt it funny that the SJWs continuously say that we should denounce this and that person but when it comes to their side they stand by everyone?

          Hot Ryu and this paint a pretty clear picture that these people are the "do as i say not as i do" kind of folks

          [–]Webringtheshake 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Someone only has to say type the word "gamergate" or even just have an anime avatar, and that is enough evidence to connect every GGer there is to their actions.

          But when it comes to one of their own, no amount of evidence is enough. Not video evidence, archives, logs, nothing.

          That stacks up with their whole worldview. PoC can't be racist, women can't be sexist and aGGers are never in the wrong.

          [–]jwyche005 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Time to kill my karma.

          Pedophilia is a psychological disorder in which a person (male or female) is sexually attracted to children of either sex. There's nothing inherently wrong with pedophilia as long as the person doesn't act on it. It is for this reason that lolicon is perfectly acceptable. The problem with the way a lot of us treat pedophiles is that the stigma society puts on them causes them to be (rightfully) nervous about talking about their interests. This can get bottled up and manifest itself in ways that are harmful to the person or others.

          [–]OPPRESSIVE_SHITLORD 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

          And holy fucking shit does this NOT apply to Butts. She's grooming her fucking 8 year old cousin, and using gender reassignment surgery as an excuse to do it.

          If she had the fucking decency stick to loli and stay the fuck away from actual children it wouldn't be an issue but ugh, this fucking bitch needs to be locked the fuck away.

          [–]Jack-Browser/r/TheCommentGraveyard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Good point - have to find the relevant episode of "The biggest problem in the universe" were maddox argues that point.

          [–]NumberedDog 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I had actually not read up much on butts before this.

          But fucking hell that video's content makes me sick to my stomach.

          Leo doesn't make many vids but when he does like this or "GG in one minute" he knocks it right outta the fucking park.

          [–]Syndromic 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          They will probably defend the serial killer if he towed their line.

          [–]DwarfGate 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

          facepalm headdesk

          I'm done. I can't do it anymore. Look at what we're dealing with man! THIS IS STUPID. THIS IS JUST FUCKING STUPID.

          The anti-GamerGaters are openly defending a pedophile. There's little in this world that can be seen as objectively evil and even less that would be considered WORSE than pedophilia.

          This is what I wake up to? Why the fuck is there even a debate here? WHY DOES THE TRADITIONAL MEDIA ENDORSE THIS HORSESHIT???

          I need a drink.

          [–]AthasDuneWalker 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          They will defend anything if the member's a member of their clique in good standing.

          [–]loyaltomyself 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The person in question is not a straight white man. What else did you expect from them?

          [–]axiobeta 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "Harmless people," fucking kek. This is ridiculous, but it's been a long time coming. Retarded ideas like these are bound to thrive in the same chambers as "rape culture" and killing cops

          [–]Diogenes_the_Doge 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          So, Alex Lifschitz, is this the hill upon which you have chosen to die?

          Defending a confessed pedo ... fucking disgusting, but completely in character for an unscupulous sociopathic piece of garbage whose anti-abuse network is appropriately abbreviated as CON.

          The fire rises, shitlords!

          [–]RollingEyeballs 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Butts needs to get help, and I'm being sincere here beyond that I'd rather pretend Butts doesn't exist, let them deal with this we don't need the drama.

          [–]Neo_Techni 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

          It's like watching Roman Polanski's fans say it was worth the cost cause he was such a good director

          [–]AcherosIs fake journalism 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

          say it was worth the cost cause he was such a good director

          Really?

          Like, they don't even bother trying to separate the art from the artist?

          [–]Neo_Techni 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Exactly

          [–]AcherosIs fake journalism 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Cause, like. I like movies, music, etc done by plenty of terrible people.

          You think just because Tripp is a pedo I'm going to throw out all my static-X cds that he recorded on? fuck no, the musics still good. But I'm not going to pretend like hes not a shitty person.

          [–]iamoverrated 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Tripp is a pedo

          Wait, he was a pedo?

          Edit: Well shit... he even has an entry in Urban Dictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tripp+Eisen

          [–]throwawayF845 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

          Screencap, archive, write articles/blogposts about it. They say the internet never forgets, let's make sure it doesn't.

          Maybe they'll think twice about making despicable, idiotic comments when they become attached to their name and résumé forever.

          [–]KRosen333More like KRockin' 25ポイント26ポイント  (7子コメント)

          Maybe they'll think twice about making despicable, idiotic comments when they become attached to their name and résumé forever.

          This isn't why this should be a thing - it is about holding people of their politics up to their own standards, not to witch hunt and demonize like you are implying.

          [–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

          See, this should have very little to do with her comments and more to do with her having creeped after her little cousin, and how anti-gg figureheads are trying to cover it up/deny it.

          [–]KRosen333More like KRockin' 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

          See, this should have very little to do with her comments and more to do with her having creeped after her little cousin, and how anti-gg figureheads are trying to cover it up/deny it.

          This. Its the lies that have to stop. Where srh needs help or not is one thing but the games journalists are letting this go on to cover for their corruption long enough.

          [–]call_it_pointless 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Exactly its their standards we are holding them too. They also have the chain of events backwards we didn't investigate her past until months after she started .... even then it was asking why is this person spending 20 hours a day seemingly to slander us.

          [–]throwawayF845 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          This isn't why this should be a thing

          So you mean it should be a thing, just for a different reason? In that case, what's with the exaggerated/panicked reaction to "witch-hunting"?

          Hold them to their own standards? What standards? They seem to be rather arbitrary and flexible. The only reason these people will ever change is that their actions make them look like idiots, bigots, or both, and they may actually be held accountable for defending such a despicable person. Document their lies and double-standards is all I'm saying. You know, the thing we've been doing for months?

          I'm not proposing anything radically different - just a reason why it may actually work.

          [–]KRosen333More like KRockin' 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          So you would endorse the exact same thing, just for a different reason? In that case, what's with the exaggerated/panicked reaction to "witch-hunting"?

          I don't know what you mean.

          I'm fairly certain these people will care about potential consequences, rather than their arbitrary or non-existant standards.

          I still don't know what you mean.

          [–]throwawayF845 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Fine, I clarified it in the post above.

          [–]AcherosIs fake journalism 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          it is about holding people of their politics up to their own standards

          They say the internet never forgets, let's make sure it doesn't.

          yea, thats what he said.

          [–]IAMPOUNDCAKEIs also 0.453592 kilogramcake 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Every time I see someone use the term "dubious" I think of this. Also works as a great example of Gender Studies.

          [–]sexy_mofo 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I'll just keep saying it: SJWs hate children. Children are tools to be used to further the agenda of these people (FCKH8, anyone?,) so it's no wonder they're soft on pedos.

          [–]cranktheguy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          SJWs hate children.

          At least one of them likes them a little too much.

          [–]Steampunk_Moustache 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I suggest contacting devs and publishers and informing of who is hosting and profiting from their soundtracks, and what sort of person they are.

          [–]Irvin700 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          What a bizarre set of behaviors I am witnessing.

          [–]RavingElephant 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I was clueless but ED filled me in

          [–]hydra877 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          All of my fucking what.

          [–]MitsuXLulu 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Can i have a rundown of what happened while i was being a productive member of society?

          [–]EnigmaMachinen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Why are they defending a pedophile? When is that ever acceptable?

          [–]Scimitar66 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Where might one find these chatlogs?

          [–]SPARTAN_TOASTER 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yes get 8chan removed from google for CP that gets taken as soon as it's found down but defend the ACTUAL PEDOPHILE.

          [–]SSCat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think this should be archived, in case they get deleted later.

          [–]TriangleDimes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Shaun King is black

          jaj

          [–]jpz719 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I can safely say I classify all of these fools as inhuman.

          [–]NoOneWhere 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Humorous, the hypocrisy of them. But tbh, just report it to the FBI or write an good article on it, but going witchhunt as GG will solve nothing and damage our own goals.

          [–]videogameboss 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          this needs to be pushed as far up anti-gamers' asses as possible. i don't even care that butts jacks off to pictures of child models, they just need to learn a lesson in hypocrisy.

          [–]AcherosIs fake journalism 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          they just need to learn a lesson in hypocrisy.

          that would require self awareness.

          [–]mstrkrft- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hey, at least you're honest about your motivations.

          [–]Psemtex21k get 5ポイント6ポイント  (57子コメント)

          Welcome to Anti-GamerGate

          How is this different to the "Welcome to GamerGate" rhetoric that many people have been calling out for a year?

          Alright, this is getting damn stupid.

          For a start I fail to see why SRHButts is newsworthy. If they are then the only possible link to GamerGate is that they've been posting screencaps and generally being annoying.

          If those people want to turn it into "us vs them", let them. But I'll have no part of that.

          My opinions on SRHButts and GamerGate are two completely different things.

          Outrage, screencapping & point scoring - welcome to public "discourse" in the 21st Century.

          [–]DeadGamerWalking[S] 60ポイント61ポイント  (22子コメント)

          She has been quoted by numerous newspapers and even wrote for some. She is newsworthy.

          [–]call_it_pointless 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Many celebrities and important people are known supporters of butts. They changed their twitter handles in support. Even the ethics in games journalism is connected i believe since she has been involved with that.

          [–]Immahnoob 4ポイント5ポイント  (16子コメント)

          If you think this isn't "us vs them", then you're really mistaken. Most of their arguments are complete opposite of ours, and I'll repeat what I repeated millions of times, tribalism is normal and conflict is necessary in these type of situations.

          You can't eat your cake and have it too, I'm sorry, but one has to lose in this debate.

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            [–]PeytonHS 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            To be fair, it seems as though they don't actually believe she is a pedophile, and that the chat logs are fake and made specifically to slander her. They don't really seem to be particularly defending pedophilia.

            I do think they are wrong in believing the chat logs are fake, but whatever. They won't believe they are real until she says something that the rest of them disagree with, and then they will all turn on her.

            [–]AcherosIs fake journalism 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            "that's it's job"

            MISGENDERING!!!!! Use his preferred pronouns, shitlord!

            Tauriq Moosa thinks pedophiles are harmless people

            I'm trying REALLY HARD not to make a Muslim joke..

            [–]Yah-whey 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Not as hard as Muhammad

            [–]jabberwockxeno 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Uh, context?

            [–]Eyehavenoidea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Can someone /r/outoftheloop me? I don't know the names and the back story but this sounds juicy

            [–]Tridents_Everywhere -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Firstly, nobody quoted is defending pedophiles. They're defending the person. Yes, these people are giant hypocrites, but saying "Tauriq Moosa thinks pedophiles are harmless people" is inaccurate. Tauriq Moosa thinks that Sarah Butts is harmless and has not accepted the notion that she is a pedophile.

            Secondly, I believe that pedophiles can be harmless. They are people afflicted with a condition no-one in their right mind would want, and they have no legal or moral recourse for their desires. They're not child molesters until they actually act to fulfill those desires, and a great many live without ever doing that. As society we thoroughly vilify and seek to destroy them (which may drive them towards acting on their desires) when we should be encouraging them to seek help.

            With that said, and having watched the video, I have to say that what bothers me about Nyberg's case (aside from the comments about her then-prepubescent relative) isn't her defense of pedophilia, but her advocacy of it. Those chat logs, even if they are from nearly 10 years ago, show a complete lack of insight into the potential harm of her desires, and an attitude fostered towards rationalising and enabling them.

            And then, of course, there's the abject hypocrisy of Nyberg having used the misleading allegation that 8chan hosts child porn to discredit GG. But we've known for a long time that Butts is more concerned with out of context smears than anything resembling truth or fairness, right? And we also know that same partisan hypocrisy runs rampant through anti-GG. This only serves to highlight what we've known from day one.

            So, as disturbing as the information gleaned from these chat logs is... let's put down the pitchforks and refrain from trying to use this as a crushing blow against our opponents. Hypocrisy aside, it's not relevant enough to the issues at hand, and thus it feels too similar to their own tactics of misdirection and outrage. I can understand why this information is upsetting, but all it accomplishes is to pile on Butts. If that would do any good I'd take a different stance, but the logs aren't anywhere near current, and don't seem to stray into anything strictly illegal.

            My primary concern is the safety of "Dana", mentioned lasciviously several times in the logs. But there wasn't anything directly incriminating, and it's been long enough that she must be an adult by now. Are other children at risk? There's nowhere near enough information to make such a damaging allegation. Besides, was "Dana" ever actually at risk, or were Nyberg's comments just boastful fantasy? These logs might seem pretty damning, but you have to be absolutely certain of wrongdoing or genuine risk before you ruin someone's life, and wanting to strike a blow against Anti-GG simply isn't a good enough reason to drag someone through that hell.

            [–]antoker -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Does Nicholas Nyberg still have his penis?

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