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[–]assasstits 1275ポイント1276ポイント  (387子コメント)

Mine talk about this way about foreign people. It bothers me but I try not to think about it. Live in a way that minimizes your stress and realize people are idiots.

[–]PM_ME_CLEAVAGE 291ポイント292ポイント  (24子コメント)

I'd kick him right in the nuts to show him what ethnicity he is!

[–]ltsaGiraffeOne Eyed one Horned Flying Purple Penis Eater 51ポイント52ポイント  (20子コメント)

[–]t-_-f 29ポイント30ポイント  (9子コメント)

did anyone else watch this and legitimately try to understand the concept of cleavage, but come out totally confused? no? just me? great.

[–]Tenryuu_RS3 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

Quick gist in easier words. Crystals have structures on a molecular level. It's how they arrange. This creates areas on the crystal as a whole that you can see a plane which ends up being a flat plane like this. If you have a large layered crystal, such as mica, you can cleave it easily on those layers.

[–]IIPA 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why I'd kick him in his Mexican nuts. /s

[–]madam-cornitches 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It wouldn't prove ethnicity but it would sure prove it's a dude with tits!

[–]lonelyspirit[S] 578ポイント579ポイント  (343子コメント)

I just don't understand how people can be so full of hate.

Edit: Update. http://i.imgur.com/NvFCpQE.png

[–]smilinguterus 324ポイント325ポイント  (72子コメント)

My mother has said, and I quote, "Look at those scared niggers run because someone pulled out a gun." And, "I don't know why people blame white people for slavery in the U.S.. The first person to sell a nigger was another damn nigger." If we ask her to do too much she says, "You're treating me like everyone's fucking nigger." She's also said flat out, "I hate niggers."

Then she gets super offended if I say she's racist. What the fuck does she think racists do? Eat black people?

[–]lonelyspirit[S] 59ポイント60ポイント  (40子コメント)

[–]TotalJester 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow, that made me extremely uncomfortable.

[–]pnilz 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Good, now think about those who suffers from FGM, I think they're slightly more uncomfortable.

[–]TotalJester 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I understand what the exhibit was going for. In that way, it was really effective. But I can definitely see how it could also be misconstrued as racist if seen out of context.

[–]FirstTimeWang 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was, I'm sure, the intent.

[–]gseyffert 67ポイント68ポイント  (28子コメント)

....what the fuck?

Edit: from the original post -

Sweden's minister of culture has been accused of racism after cutting a cake depicting a naked black woman. Lena Adelsohn Liljeroth was taking part in an event at the Moderna Museet in Stockholm, the capital's museum of modern art and home to works by Picasso and Dalí. She was invited to cut the cake, an art installation meant to highlight the issue of female genital mutilation. She began, as instructed, by taking a chunk from the cake's "clitoris". The artist, Makode Aj Linde, who created the installation for World Art Day on 15 April, took part in the cake-cutting, with his blackened face and head sticking up next to the cake's stomach and arms. The cakes "insides" were a gruesome red. A video shows him screaming loudly every time a visitor hacks off another slice of the cake.

[–]Igortheinvincible 32ポイント33ポイント  (11子コメント)

Swede here. Can confirm. Is WTF.

[–]parisinla 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

How do you say "what the fuck" in Swedish?

[–]Igortheinvincible 12ポイント13ポイント  (8子コメント)

"Vad fan?" is probably the closest, "fan" is an old name for Satan, so I suppose it translates roughly to "what the devil?".

Alternatively, "Vad i helvete?", literally "what in hell", also gets pretty close.

Althought, being the small country we are, we are quite influenced by foreign media/movies/music. We'd probably just opt for the actual English expression "what the fuck" :)

[–]idosillythings 15ポイント16ポイント  (12子コメント)

Modern art is weird and infuriating.

[–]Frostiken 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is less weird that some other art. At least it has a concise and understandable message. It could be worse, could be melted dickgirls.

[–]moparornocar 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I remember learning about Marcel DuChamp jizzing on a piece of velvet and it being one of his famous pieces now.

Wierdest i've ever learned about was a piece called Seedbed) done by Vito Acconci.

[–]hard-in-the-ms-paint 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

The point is to elicit emotion. The artist's intentions were in the right place at least. Channel your disgust to the fact that genital mutilation's a thing.

[–]LeRawxWiz 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is a creative, memorable and makes people talk about an issue via an emotional response (as you said you were infuriated). The artist accomplished their goal. Now if you disagree with their message, that's something completely different. Weird is a good thing in art... portraits, still life and landscapes are things you paint to hone your craft. This crazy cake cutting piece is the stuff you strive for once you've got the skills in whatever medium you specialize in.

If this is your example of art you don't like, you have never been to a crappy local art exhibit. I've seen way too many paintings and sculptures of just a solid colored wall or a bunch of cubes with no thought or imagination put into it to pretentiously pretend there is a message. That is the art that should infuriate you.

Don't get the reaction, backlash and impending politics confused with the art.

[–]Anonymous_Bosch 35ポイント36ポイント  (18子コメント)

The word "racist" has in itself taken on this really interesting new meaning. It's a little bit like "hipster".

We all know lots of people who are racist and who are hipster, but very few people accept the label for whatever reason. It's like it says something negative about you beyond mere behaviour.

[–]CatAndBaz 83ポイント84ポイント  (11子コメント)

I don't those two are similar. A racist is still a racist, the word hasn't changed. Hipster has come to mean "anyone who likes things I think are weird" or "person who doesn't like the things I do"

[–]Kraz_I 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hipster

It's strange how much the word has changed from its original meaning as someone who smoked marijuana and listened to jazz.

On second thought, maybe the meaning hasn't really changed...

[–]GMY0da 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think hipster means people wearing beanies, sitting in coffee shops using macbooks and riding fixies

all at the same time

[–]adia4ic 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

very few people accept the label for whatever reason

That may be true of hipsters, but for different reasons. The term "hipster" is constantly changing meaning and being used wildly differently by different people.

To some, it means valuing authenticity and utility (e.g. drinking out of a reused mason jar to reduce waste). To others, it means taking the aesthetic of authenticity (e.g. buying a mason jar with a handle for the express purpose of drinking out of it because it looks cool - basically the opposite of authenticity/utility).

Depending on how the word is used, it could be a compliment or an insult. Even if someone is a hipster, and likes being a hipster, it does them no good to accept the label because the word has such polar opposite meanings that it conveys little meaning and is easily misunderstood.

[–]lokitheinane 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

dude, Racists never considered themselves racists. Hitler didn't consider himself a racist, he considered himself "bringing the truth of the superiority of the Arian race" ; he wasn't being racist against jews, they were a real, actual subgroup that really, actually needed to be destroyed (in his mind. he was fucking wrong, but he didn't think so, obviously)

smilinguterus's mother doesn't think she's a racist, she thinks she's being truthful and honest about black people, whereas racists are wrong and their views are nonsense. Uteruses mom doesn't think she's wrong, and she thinks her views are the objective truth, so of course she doesn't think she's a racist. just like Hitler.

TLDR; SmilingUteruses mom = Litterally Hitler.

[–]Haufniensis 182ポイント183ポイント  (12子コメント)

From the title, it sounds like you at least somewhat understand.

[–]OxfordDictionary 118ポイント119ポイント  (9子コメント)

They are scared because the world is changing and they don't understand it. This is not to put them down, just to point out that this pattern has played out tons of times in history. People are scared of groups of people they don't know. As they get to know them, their opinion will change. Used to be that the Irish and Italians were feared and ostracized in American society. Then people got to know/grow up with people who were Irish and Italian and discovered they were nice people. People who are openly transgender are still a new phenomenen in society. It just takes time.

Added on to the initial stigma ("I don't get why someone would want to change genders") is the mistaken belief that some men dress as women so they can get closer to small kids and sexually abuse them. That's a huge fear that many parents and grandparents have.

The best thing you can do is to have compassion for people on both sides of the debate. Compassion for people who are transgendered who want to be accepted--they have a long battle to go til people understand them. And compassion for these family members and others who don't know enough/haven't met any people who are transgendered and are scared right now.

Your family isn't evil. Gently pointing out statistics or articles that challenge their point of view can be helpful. But the worst thing you can do is call them hateful--people cling even harder to their beliefs when they feel like someone else think their beliefs are stupid.

It would be nice if we had a magic wand to take away peoples' misunderstandings that lead to prejudice, but we just don't. I think trying to listen to both sides and remain open to hearing whatever someone has to say is the closest thing we've got to a magic wand, though.

[–]lockzackary 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

for a dictionary, you do so much more than just provide definitions.

here, have an upvote!

[–]assasstits 470ポイント471ポイント  (48子コメント)

Besides the fact that they arent very smart. They are also insecure. Notice how each and every comment is saying how they would or wouldn't do something. They are trying to show others how righteous and brave (in their mind and culture) they are.

"I would do this if I were in the situation"

"Oh yeah? Well I wouldn't let my child do this and that".

It's all about them trying to look good and conform amongst their peers.

[–]ImurderREALITY 254ポイント255ポイント  (24子コメント)

"Either would I."

Says it all right there.

[–]StinkpotTurtleI don't like the things. 152ポイント153ポイント  (22子コメント)

Also "your a homosexual."

[–]Unknownmamba 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

That one confuses me. If you think they're a boy and that they're gay......why'd they be creeping on females.

[–]Word_Iz_Bond 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was the most mildly infuriating thing in this post

[–]Fgame 85ポイント86ポイント  (85子コメント)

At the risk of sounding bigoted here.

The one lady does bring up a valid point. If you are biologically male, and you have male genitalia, surely that is extremely uncomfortable for all the other girls in the locker room?

[–]n30na 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

Honestly.. this just highlights to me that locker rooms are really uncomfortable for everybody, and should be rethought entirely to give EVERYONE privacy, but hey.. that's just me.

[–]Fgame 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another solution I would be 100% OK with, in all honesty. And probably the best option

[–]alleigh25 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

Objectively, they should feel less uncomfortable changing in front of a straight transgender girl than in front of a lesbian.

Practically, however, I do think many high school girls would be uncomfortable, especially those who've been raised to believe there's no such thing as being transgender and think she's a pervy guy trying to see them naked.

Although, as a former teenage girl, there wasn't much nakedness in my high school locker room. Most girls didn't shower after gym, just changed, and even those who switched to a sports bra did so by putting it on and then taking the other off.

[–]markshire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point but you can't say what makes people uncomfortable or not.

[–]sirin3 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Objectively, they should feel less uncomfortable changing in front of a straight transgender girl than in front of a lesbian.

The only logical solution is to have a single locker room for everyone

[–]EndiaBanana 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it's like OP said. What about lesbians? Does it have to do with sexual orientation at all, or is it about gender?

[–]Readvoter 20ポイント21ポイント  (53子コメント)

So if there was a big, muscly transman (ftm) who had not had bottom surgery then he should change with the women? Wouldn't that make them more uncomfortable?

Why the hell does surgery matter? The only way you'd be able to tell the difference between someone who is Preop or post op is if you were looking at them while they changed. And if you're doing that, it's you who is making people uncomfortable, not them.

[–]Fgame 25ポイント26ポイント  (52子コメント)

No, I just have this crazy notion that dicks shouldn't be present in my daughters changing room. I don't think that's an unreasonable request. I don't care what you identify as. Gender and sex are not the same. If you're going to allow mtf transgender people to change in the girls changing room, you may as well not even have the gender separation at all.

[–]mikekearnThis isn't the flair you're looking for. 30ポイント31ポイント  (17子コメント)

A lot of places outside the U.S. don't have a gender separation for changing rooms in some areas. Communal baths and all that. Shockingly, a lot of these places also have much less taboo over the naked body, understanding that it's a totally natural part of life.

It's really only in the U.S. that we glorify violence and shame nudity.

[–]Lady_Blackwood 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

A lot of places outside the U.S. don't have a gender separation for changing rooms

Exactly, I can't wrap my head around these people who are saying things like "I don't want my 8 year old daughter to see a penis," like wtf, 50% of the population has a penis, it's not some inherently dangerous thing that if your daughter sees she's going to be scarred forever.

[–]HenryPouet 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

People who both don't understand what being transgender is AND are puritan about it. It's the same mentality as "if we allow gay marriage then we allow pedophilia and zoophilia!".

[–]citrus_mystic 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

but why? honestly, what are the consequences of someone with a penis changing their clothes in the same locker room as your daughter?

Genuine question--not trying to instigate conflict, just trying to understand because I know a lot of people are uncomfortable with this thought.

[–]FletcherPF 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

Are you accusing these hypothetical transgender girls of also intending to assault your daughter. In the school locker room. With 10-20 other girls there. Also the instructor nearby.

It's just as plausible that one of the boys walk down the hall and into the girls locker room. They don't actually lock any doors, or at least they didn't when I had to suffer through the high school locker room. Your irrational fear of an imaginary person's genitalia is the kind of thinking that makes it so hard for transgender people to be taken seriously and to get the healthcare they need as early as they need it.

Personally I would like to see forced changing in schools done away with entirely, it's a cruel thing to put anyone with any kind of social hangups through.

[–]elkab0ngCHARTRUSE 59ポイント60ポイント  (14子コメント)

Partially because nobody ever told them it was wrong.

[–]maybebaked 32ポイント33ポイント  (11子コメント)

I don't know why you got downvoted but I think that has a lot to do with it. If your parents are racist, homophobe pieces of shit, you probably will be too.

[–]MAKE_ME_REDDIT 70ポイント71ポイント  (9子コメント)

That's becoming less and less true with the Internet age. Newer generations are exposed to it more often and it becomes accepted. My parents are homophobic and racist but I was exposed to it so I'm not.

[–]Zagden 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

Or you can be exposed to it and hate it even more. Sort any thread about race or gender here to controversial.

[–]EndiaBanana 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

The fact that race and gender can be controversial on a site like reddit with so many liberals baffles and saddens me.

[–]CW2591 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same here. I'm from the deep south and raised in Baptist church. I was taught not to trust other races and homosexuals and that they were pretty much just bad uncivilized people. But moving to a different city for college and meeting a lot of different people and hearing people's stories completely changed my outlook. Now instead of being disgusted when I see or hear about these poeple, I am instead disgusted by my upbringing and the fact that I ever believed that shit.

[–]headfullofpetrol 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im finding more and more that this is the catalyst. When you're exposed to both extremes of the spectrum you're more likely to take the moderate path. I was raised southern pentecostal when at my dads but my mother was way more progressive and I find it easier to see the logic in lots of social situations where my peers who were raised solely one side or the other seem to be a bit more jaded. But thats just speculation.

[–]CormanTPeople chewing carrots 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've thought the same thing about my family that are on Facebook: it must be exhausting keeping track of what to hate on a daily basis. It's astounding.

[–]AladdinPoo 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

So if you have a vagina and you're into women, you can't possibly be a predator, but if you have a penis, you're 100% a predator?

[–]ketsuban25 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Haha, same here. Yesterday my father-in-law was disparaging Indian people, not realising my brother's girlfriend and my aunt are both Indian.

[–]upsidedownfunnel 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol about "foreign people", sure. They're just good old fashioned racist.

[–]Boukish 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Live in a way that minimizes your stress and realize people are idiots. - /u/assasstits, 2015

This could be a motivational poster.

[–]waff1ezGREEN 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do they ever say: We should go back to where we came from!

[–]jpatton89 1032ポイント1033ポイント  (430子コメント)

These people are obviously extreme. But I can see moderates having an issue with a boy in the girls locker room as well.

My wife is a teacher and something very strange is happening at her school these past couple of weeks. A boy is claiming that he identifies as a girl. He doesn't dress like a girl or act feminine at all. But he identifies as a girl. The strange thing is that he also claims that he's a lesbian, too. This has put the school between a rock and a hard place. This boy says he feels uncomfortable dressing in the boys room. But when he uses the girls locker room, the other girls say they feel uncomfortable. The boys parents, and the parents of all the girls, are up in arms about this. The school is concerned about being sued. No one knows what to do. I just feel like all this accepting of people...however they are...is a slippery slope and can potentially be taken advantage of by some.

TLDR: A student claiming to be a "gay, pre-transition trans female" is using the girls locker room and is potentially lying in order to oggle the girls. The school can't do anything because they could maybe get sued. The girls/their parents are furious with the school.

[–]missitipsy 853ポイント854ポイント  (208子コメント)

If a student wants to skip recess because of allergies, they need a doctor's note. If a boy wants to identify as female and join the female locker room, he should have a psychologist's note. That's how you weed out the perv kids.

Not to suggest that I view gender identity issues as mental illnesses, but psychologists/psychiatrists would be the professionals one should seek out for advice in such a situation, correct?

Edit: I googled it, and gender dysphoria is totally in the DSM-V, which makes it officially a mental illness. I had in the past read articles critical of this view, so I assumed at the time that it shouldn't be a mental illness issue. But scientists decided to put it in a book, so there ya go.

[–]nephelokokkygia 238ポイント239ポイント  (71子コメント)

You're correct. Such notes are often requirements of beginning hormone treatments for transgender minors as well, so it seems reasonable enough to me.

[–]walkingtheriver 114ポイント115ポイント  (17子コメント)

Here in Denmark you have to have had several sessions with a psychiatrist to be classified as a transsexual. You cannot begin HRT before a psychiatrist has okayed it

[–]Cthulhu_Rises 49ポイント50ポイント  (10子コメント)

Hostage Rescue Team?

[–]willardfillmore 61ポイント62ポイント  (5子コメント)

Hormone Replacement Therapy

[–]DebentureThyme 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

I liked theirs better. Sounds like more action and explosions.

[–]SquishSquash81 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

We'll transition you to your proper gender...even if it means breaking all the rules!

[–]Twillard22 55ポイント56ポイント  (46子コメント)

If my daughter was in school and a boy wanted to change in the girls locker room, idc what he claims to be i would be highly upset. What if it's just a phase? Or a ruse? You don't get to have life handed to you. Some times what is good for the person isn't good for the pack. This is a case where he needs to get passed it or not play sports. Simple as that

[–]thehumangenius23 40ポイント41ポイント  (36子コメント)

that's the biggest thing to me. as much as they identify as being a girl, their physical attributes don't match that.

I can accept someone that identifies as another gender, but when you allow a physical male in a locker room of physical females, a line has been crossed. the girls have every right to feel uncomfortable.

[–]O-Face 173ポイント174ポイント  (37子コメント)

Not to suggest that I view gender identity issues as mental illnesses

...isn't it though? How is it not? You are of a certain sex and your brain is telling you the opposite. If you want to transition, don't you have to go to a psychiatrists first before they will give you the hormones to do so?

In what way would this not be a mental illness?

[–]the_epic_narwhal 58ポイント59ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he was just hesitant to call it that because of the heavy negative connotations that come with the word mental illness.

[–]missitipsy 61ポイント62ポイント  (30子コメント)

Y'know what? I googled it, and it's totally in the DSM-V so that literally makes it a mental illness. I have also read articles which are critical of viewing gender identity issues as mental illnesses, though. That's what made me assume it wasn't a mental health issue.

[–]frubbliness 125ポイント126ポイント  (16子コメント)

The confusion of whether being transgender is a mental illness comes from the fact that the mental distress is not a result of being transgender in and of itself, but the reality of being in a body that is the opposite of the identified gender - gender dysphoria. Transgenderism is not defined as a mental illness; gender dysphoria is defined as a mental illness. And you might wonder what difference it makes. It's that once a person transitions, their gender dysphoria can disappear and so the mental distress goes away, but they are still a transgender person. Just to clarify.

[–]EvilTomte 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's that once a person transitions, their gender dysphoria can disappear and so the mental distress goes away, but they are still a transgender person.

Just curious - how often does their mental distress go away? Do we have any statistics that say it actually helps? I read somewhere that suicide numbers for transgender people who've transitioned were high and that it doesn't really help any more than normal counselling/psychological help. I don't have a source now but I can try to find one later if necessary, but don't take what I said for fact of course.

[–]luca70x7 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like you

[–]HenryPouet 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it's a nice change from the oh so subtle "being transgender is a mental illness, it doesn't fit what nature wants of you!" of people who know nothing about psychology and that replaced the "being gay is a mental illness, it doesn't fit what nature wants of you!".

[–]LeafRunner 58ポイント59ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hi, former psychology student here and quite the enthusiast. The DSM-V does by no means state that all cases of being transgender are indicative of what could be defined as a "mental illness", which essentially means something that greatly hinders your life or ability to function.

If you are transgender but you're happy and comfortable with your body, by whatever means, you don't have what would be called Gender Dysphoria. Please read the actual DSM-V entry and you'll see what I mean.

There are plenty of transgender people who function fine and are happy. Being transgender does not inherently indicate mental illness. This is the scientific consensus in the field of social science.

[–]Makes_Poor_Decisions 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to read more closely. Being transgender is not in the DSM-V. Yes, Gender Dysphoria is, but part of the diagnosis for Dysphoria is suffering from distress as a result of feeling as though you are the wrong gender. While many Transgender people suffer from feelings of Dysphoria, most do not qualify for the medical diagnosis due to the fact that they are not in distress according to the DSM.

Additionally, it is important to understand the context behind WHY Gender Dysphoria is even in the DSM-V. Thankfully, I don't need to try and draw conclusions on the subject, as the APA literally wrote an explanation themselves.

A few relevant quotes:

"It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."

"For a person to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, there must be a marked difference between the individual’s expressed/experienced gender and the gender others would assign him or her, and it must continue for at least six months"

"Persons experiencing gender dysphoria need a diagnostic term that protects their access to care and won’t be used against them in social, occupational, or legal areas. When it comes to access to care, many of the treatment options for this condition include counseling, cross-sex hormones, gender reassignment surgery, and social and legal transition to the desired gender. To get insurance coverage for the medical treatments, individuals need a diagnosis. The Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders Work Group was concerned that removing the condition as a psychiatric diagnosis—as some had suggested—would jeopardize access to care."

[–]OtterOwnage 70ポイント71ポイント  (28子コメント)

Assuming the kid does get a psychologist's note affirming his gender identity as female, how does that help the girl students who feel uncomfortable with a biological male sharing their intimate space?

[–]EnadZT 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

which makes it officially a mental illness

That's going to be a massive shit storm when it comes up in debates

[–]Makes_Poor_Decisions 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Reposting this from below so it gets more visibility, the above poster is spreading misinformation.

You need to read more closely. Being transgender is not in the DSM-V. Yes, Gender Dysphoria is, but part of the diagnosis for Dysphoria is suffering from distress as a result of feeling as though you are the wrong gender. While many Transgender people suffer from feelings of Dysphoria, most do not qualify for the medical diagnosis due to the fact that they are not in distress according to the DSM.

Additionally, it is important to understand the context behind WHY Gender Dysphoria is even in the DSM-V. Thankfully, I don't need to try and draw conclusions on the subject, as the APA literally wrote an explanation themselves.

A few relevant quotes:

"It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."

"For a person to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, there must be a marked difference between the individual’s expressed/experienced gender and the gender others would assign him or her, and it must continue for at least six months"

"Persons experiencing gender dysphoria need a diagnostic term that protects their access to care and won’t be used against them in social, occupational, or legal areas. When it comes to access to care, many of the treatment options for this condition include counseling, cross-sex hormones, gender reassignment surgery, and social and legal transition to the desired gender. To get insurance coverage for the medical treatments, individuals need a diagnosis. The Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders Work Group was concerned that removing the condition as a psychiatric diagnosis—as some had suggested—would jeopardize access to care."

[–]maybemichelle 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's also important to note that the DSM no longer describes dysphoria as a disease, illness, or disorder.

Source:

Replacing “disorder” with “dysphoria” in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is “disordered.”

[–]Kafke 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sounds fair to me. Gender dysphoria is indeed considered a mental illness, with the recommended cure being to transition.

A dr's note should be good to go, just like with asthma, allergies, etc.

Do keep in mind it's gender dysphoria that's the illness, not being transgender. Gender dysphoria (the illness) largely goes away when the individual transitions.

[–]brodesto 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, that's incredible smart.

[–]handstands4stan 128ポイント129ポイント  (27子コメント)

I know this is unpopular, and I'm sorry. But even if the kid is lying I don't think he should be allowed to use the girls locker room. Making many uncomfortable shouldn't justify the comfort of one.

[–]jay212127 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why not change in a seperate room - like the coach's office (obviously without the coach in there). it is a single student so removing the student from both change rooms should alleviate both problems, without overtly offending anyone, as demanding a 3rd changeroom is likely financially unviable.

[–]Corndawgz 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is literally the plot to a south park episode...

[–]WiWiWiWiWiWi 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, not literally. It's similar, but definitely not the same. Cartman just wanted a private bathroom for him, and only him, to shit in.

[–]Razorjuice 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there a reason he HAS to change in the girls room or the boys room? Can't he just change in an empty classroom or stall in another bathroom?

[–]zazu2006 71ポイント72ポイント  (32子コメント)

Thats why there should be a penis room and a vagina room... What tackle you sporting? ok you go in that room. I don't care about orientation just your biological sex.

[–]Weave77 44ポイント45ポイント  (25子コメント)

I agree. If you get gender reassignment surgery, then congrats- you get to switch locker rooms. Until then, you are in the room that coresponds to your biological sex.

[–]ExceptionToTheRule 27ポイント28ポイント  (8子コメント)

You sure about that? There are lots of Trans girls who look like every other girl in the world who would look out of place there.

[–]JackBond1234 42ポイント43ポイント  (8子コメント)

See, I learned a good 10 years ago that many labels were pointless, and what's important are the values and evaluations those labels represent.

Since then, society has completely abandoned that philosophy and is putting all its stock into self-ascribed labels.

In this case, gender separation is for the benefit of the evaluator, so self-evaluation is not only counterproductive, it defeats the whole purpose of the concept of gender.

For all that matters, a complete man may walk into a men's bathroom and make someone uncomfortable, and it really doesn't matter how that person identifies, he made someone uncomfortable. The onlooker's evaluation was made without any communication of self-identification.

It does then follow to ask what we should do about people's evaluations, and that (I would say) is nothing. Evaluations can be all over the place. We can't stop them, and we shouldn't pander to every wildly swinging view of the world.

This is why I take a very live-and-let-live philosophy. What goes on in your head is your business, whether you are a pretty pony princess inside, or are constantly offended by something. Neither can I force you to think differently, nor can you force me to stop doing whatever offends you.

[–]dircs 25ポイント26ポイント  (23子コメント)

This does not surprise me. I remember there being plenty of weird/creepy guys in high school who would be more than willing to claim that they identify as female in order to use the girls locker room. The question is, how do you distinguish who uses what without using physical characteristics? The only other alternative I see is to designate build 4 sets of locker rooms (male, female, ftm, and mtf), which would be very expensive.

[–]wakka54 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

Are the boys parents actually supporting his actions?

[–]jpatton89 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've tried making this comment a few times but people keep downvoting me. The answer to your question is yes, they support him. His parents are lesbians. For some reason, people want to downvote me for mentioning that fact.

[–]bigbluefungus 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

His parents are lesbians.

well that explains it lol

[–]WiWiWiWiWiWi 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Eric Cartman would be proud of this kids level of trolling.

[–]uni-twit 11ポイント12ポイント  (31子コメント)

Surely transgender kids go through rounds of therapy; has this student?

[–]oEMPYREo 14ポイント15ポイント  (20子コメント)

I had to do some legal research on this subject and there are also those who identify as female but do not have to get any work done to be considered transgender. Then what do you do? You get a boy who is getting no work done to his body or changing his appearance, just a normal looking boy, now wanting to use the girls' locker room.

I had to do research on employment discrimination on a similar issue, but with adults.

[–]xxxWeedHitler420xxx 48ポイント49ポイント  (8子コメント)

Ok I get a lot of shit for this and get called truscum but people who aren't undergoing transition and making an effort to live as the gender they identify are not and should not be considered trans in this bathroom discussion.

I'm a transwoman. When I was presenting as male I didn't use the women's restroom even though I was undergoing hormone therapy. If you're not living as the gender that you identify with you have no right at all to use that genders restroom. Its honestly not that big of a deal to use the mens restroom when you look male.

Its honestly not as complicated as people make it. I know dozens upon dozens of transgirls and transmen. Not a single one of them had an issue with bathrooms and none of them used the restroom of the gender they identified with until they were presenting and living as that gender.

Jesus.

[–]ghjm 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I experienced an issue like this in a workplace where I was a manager, but (thank god) not the manager responsible for the situation. One of the employees informed HR that he was now a she and expected to be treated as such. He/she planned to undergo reassignment therapy, but had not actually done anything yet. Basically, someone who had been known as male to the rest of the staff for years, would now be showing up with earrings and lipstick - and would be using the women's room.

There was an outright rebellion by all the women in the office. Even the very liberal, very LGB (but maybe not T) friendly ones. Even the openly gay women. Nobody was willing to have a biological male in "their" bathroom.

It was eventually decided to reassign a small bathroom as "other/misc." (I forget what they actually called it. Basically, they changed the two little lobby bathrooms from "men" and "women" to "unisex" and "that guy.") It remains to be seen what will happen once the reassignment is complete.

It's a tough issue all around, and none of the available solutions are very good. How did you deal with it?

[–]oEMPYREo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

We were the government agency that deals with employment discrimination and we said that the employer did everything they could do please everyone and was not trying to discriminate against this person and decided that no discrimination had occurred.

It's such a hard issue and yours sounds just as bad as this one. There's been Supreme Court cases that held that firing the transgender person because you cannot accommodate them is legal so that's kinda where we went.

[–]uni-twit 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

That sounds odd. I would expect that anyone with gender identity issues would have to go through a psychological diagnosis.

[–]oEMPYREo 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nope. I wish it were that simple haha. There's no real way to prove how you identify--and you won't believe all the different things you can identify as. There's men who identify as straight, but enjoy dressing up in women's clothes, etc.

In the case I was working on, a man decided to be transgender into a female and was wearing a wig and high-heels and whatnot. This person had been working there for quite some time and all the employees usually commuted there and would shower in the mornings before work. This person now wants to use the women's bathroom to shower and get ready for the work and all the women who have been working with this person as a man for the past years were not comfortable having him/her coming into the women's restroom while they are showering and changing and all that.

The employer tried to meet in the middle and gave the transgender employee access to a single person restroom on a different floor, but then this became "discrimination" in the employee's eyes. It's a tough situation and somebody is going to lose.

[–]moeburn 76ポイント77ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is the sub for when the ring comes off your pudding can, not this shit, jeez

[–]lordmadone 111ポイント112ポイント  (18子コメント)

If you hate your family, how is this just "mildly infuriating"?

[–]ChuckFiinleyDemoman 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feels like an instantaneous situation, I'm sure they aren't always like "I'm gonna kick this transgender's nuts".

[–]Gailyn 40ポイント41ポイント  (7子コメント)

When I was in high school, I felt uncomfortable dressing in front of other girls, so I always dressed in a bathroom stall. I personally don't feel comfortable with people I don't know seeing my body, regardless of their sex. With that being said, whether a girl or MtF person is uncomfortable or not, they can just dress somewhere else if that's important to them. I think accommodations can be made.

Edit: a word

[–]IWannaBeATiger 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why shouldn't the lone boy be forced to change in the bathroom then instead of the most likely many girls who are uncomfortable changing in front of a boy who they aren't sure is actually trans gendered. She was also given a bathroom to change in.

[–]N307H30N3 62ポイント63ポイント  (11子コメント)

well, to be fair... its an extremely touchy subject with some people. where do you draw the line? if i wear a dress and say i identify as a female, do i start using the womans locker room and bathroom? do i need to have some type of surgery? are breasts enough or do i need to also get some work done "down there"?

i support equal rights all the way. its just hard to find a point that most people can agree on. just because you and i think a certain way (i mean shit, we can say if half the population think this way) it doesn't make it acceptable pr appropriate to everyone.

[–]WiWiWiWiWiWi 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

According to many, you don't even need a dress. Maybe just a necklace and a barrette. And to many others, you don't even need to do that -- you just need to say the magic words "I'm a girl" and like magic, you are.

[–]N307H30N3 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

you don't even need a dress

well, wheres the fun in that ಠ_ಠ

[–]PM_me_a_scary_thing 147ポイント148ポイント  (68子コメント)

Hey! We have the same family! (not literally didn't mean to freak you out)

I liked your question at the end, I ask it a lot and never get a good answer.

[–]Elliot850 41ポイント42ポイント  (11子コメント)

I like to think of everyone's expressions as representative of what they think of themselves, like how Carl Jung explained the shadow and projecting traits on people.

Folks who are negative about others are just projecting their own insecurities and probably don't like themselves very much. Every insult they hurl is a commentary on how they really feel about themselves.

[–]DerpTheGinger 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

But

I hate myself, but I'm super accepting of strangers.

[–]wawagobbler 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if you're just projecting this inner psychological fantasy world of yours on the negative people so you can describe their actions and behaviors without any sort of evidence that they're actually "negative people" who "don't like themselves very much"? Who's doing the projecting NOW!?

[–]tiller921 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't know man, I call people faggot a lot but I'm like 88% sure I don't want to suck a dick.

[–]CuilRunnings 80ポイント81ポイント  (35子コメント)

The kid turned down a private bathroom. I'm sure at least some of the girls with girl parts felt really uncomfortable changing in front of the girl in question. It's this entitled attitude that causes a harsh negative reaction.

[–]baldeagle1776 385ポイント386ポイント  (388子コメント)

I'm sorry but I don't want my daughter changing in a locker room with another man. Call me old fashioned because I don't have a kid and am in my mid twenties

[–]Kafke 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

Right, I agree. Which is why you shouldn't force trans girls to change with the men.

[–]wolfhammer93 27ポイント28ポイント  (8子コメント)

But it's totally ok if guys take creepshots of other peoples daughters?

[–]illusorycrab 54ポイント55ポイント  (3子コメント)

The fact that guys do things like that is exactly why he feels uncomfortable about his daughter changing with a man in the room.

[–]RealityIsMyReligion 51ポイント52ポイント  (104子コメント)

Would you want your son to change in front of a trans-girl? Would you want your daughter changing in front of a lesbian?

[–]Jander97 72ポイント73ポイント  (88子コメント)

If you have a teenage daughter there's a good chance she's changed or showered around a lesbian or bi chick, so what?

[–]RealityIsMyReligion 37ポイント38ポイント  (75子コメント)

My point exactly.

[–]TheJerinator 81ポイント82ポイント  (42子コメント)

It's different, don't act like there's no difference between a boy showing with a bunch of girls, or all girls but one happens to be bisexual.

[–]aahdin 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, I don't really get the big issue. If someone is harassing people in the locker room that's something they should get suspended for, regardless of gender.

Is everyone just afraid that they might see a dick? Because it's honestly pretty easy to avoid looking at someone's penis. I've used a lot of locker rooms, and overall spent very little time looking at wiener.

[–]GuyAboveIsStupid 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Then why have seperate changing rooms and locker rooms at all?

[–]Costco1L 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's exactly what I told the cops, but no, apparently the janitor is not allowed to shower with the girls' volleyball team.

[–]lonelyspirit[S] 32ポイント33ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about it either, but I definitely don't want to beat up some kid that is probably having a rough time as it is.

[–]baldeagle1776 63ポイント64ポイント  (4子コメント)

I didn't say violence is the answer

[–]Abradolf--Lincler 86ポイント87ポイント  (3子コメント)

I know, I was referring to another commenter here

[–]lonelyspirit[S] 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey wait a second. Those are my words. Give them back.

[–]JPost 256ポイント257ポイント  (135子コメント)

Penises go in male locker room. Vaginas go in female locker room.

[–]genderish 54ポイント55ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah lets have big muscular trans men walking into the women's room. That's surely not gonna turn some heads. And I totally feel safe in the men's room in my skirt. There are literally no documented cases of trans people conducting themselves inappropriately in public restrooms. We just need to pee.

[–]Ketchary 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Change rooms have a very different social context to bathrooms.

[–]Lady_Blackwood 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

For no reason other than the ones that adults, who aren't even using them, put on them.

[–]BCSteve 69ポイント70ポイント  (74子コメント)

I'll copy my comment from somewhere else in this thread:

So.... going by your rules, this person should use the women's locker room, because he has a vagina.

And this person should use the men's locker room, because she has a penis.

I think most people wouldn't place them like that. And that means there's more to it than just what's between your legs.

(Those people are both trans porn stars: Buck Angel and Bailey Jay.)

[–]Ketchary 113ポイント114ポイント  (16子コメント)

I think the simple answer is "yes", to both of those questions. You obviously looked for the biggest extremes that you could, and even for those people when they were young enough to be in school their other masculine/feminine features wouldn't have been as distinct. For seeing gender in kids you look at hair, face shape, and clothing. For seeing gender in adults you look at the chest area, shoulders, and clothing.

[–]lispychicken 42ポイント43ポイント  (11子コメント)

I like discussing the other side on hot button topics -

Are people not allowed to feel uncomfortable any more and have to lovingly accept everything, every ideal, every one? If someone dislikes something, they get vilified. Is that fair? Is it fair that the transgender gets vilified? Nope. So why does the person who disagrees with the transgenders lifestyle choice get vilified?

So ignore the violent response guy in OP's post, what if someone said "A person born a man, now living life as a woman, coming into our locked room.. naked.. makes me feel uncomfortable" Why is that not tolerated/accepted but people are asking for their lifestyle/sexuality/gender to be tolerated/accepted is fine?

It really feels like a one-way street.

[–]LeMonkeyFace6 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're exactly right; sometimes we get caught up too much in the wellbeing of the minority, and neglect the majority.

[–]John_Barleycorn 12ポイント13ポイント  (18子コメント)

Did you post this article to your own Facebook page?

[–]lonelyspirit[S] 34ポイント35ポイント  (17子コメント)

No, family member that hates gays, mexicans, gay mexicans and transgender people posted it to his wall. I commented on it.

[–]sashadabinski 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reddit.... All inclusive..... as long as believe in what we believe

[–]emacpgh 83ポイント84ポイント  (22子コメント)

In all honesty, I'm not sure someone who has a penis should be using the same locker room as high school girls. Instead of "girls" or "boys" locker room, I guess it should be "penis" or "vagina" locker room.

[–]MrMallowO M F G 42ポイント43ポイント  (18子コメント)

this is exactly right. locker rooms have nothing to do with sexual orientation, gay students still use their respective locker rooms and this should be no different. Its not bigoted to think so either, its a matter of ALL of the students comfort, changing in group locker rooms is hard enough on young students as it is.

[–]ssaa6oo 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

ITT: People who think every opinion besides their own is bigotry.

[–]alkizmo 118ポイント119ポイント  (27子コメント)

I wanna go into the women's changing room as well. I am not a transgender, but it shouldn't matter.

[–]geobloke 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking hate doesn't equal mildly infuriating

[–]VibeKilled 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This school is 15 mins away from me, the whole county's facebook page wit this post, was full of parents calling the girl a pedo, creep and piece of shit that could die. Its sad and ignorant too be honest.

[–]klaghatagh 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Multiple levels here to get mildlyinfuriated at: you've got transphobia and homophobia, but you've also got someone who uses "either" where he should have used "neither"!

Guy is literally Hitler.

[–]Chick-inn 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

ok wait what the fuck

if shes a transgender like got a surgery and has female genitalia then yeah girls locker room

But i dont blame them protesting someone with a penis in the girls locker room

[–]onemancrimespree 15ポイント16ポイント  (11子コメント)

It bothers them because they don't want a fucking guy in their daughter's locker room. End of discussion.