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[–]tehgreatblade -19ポイント-18ポイント  (14子コメント)

Pushing religion onto children is no different than teaching them pure lies.

[–]lordxela 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

What are your standards for a sterilized upbringing? I suppose Santa and the Easter Bunny are out of the equation too?

[–]Riaayo 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not really true in the least, as religion is not purely defined by stating that stories in a holy text are true. There are those that believe they are, however the more important message is in the morals and lessons of those stories and how they teach kindness, compassion, and the like.

Do a lot of people miss the mark on that? Yeah, definitely. Religion is not safe from people fucking it up just like people screw a whole lot of things up. But to hold the idea that religion in its entirety is "teaching children lies" just seems utterly intolerant. Is saying that science isn't true and takes a back seat to religious texts lies? Yeah, that's definitely a sound thought process. But is that the definition of religion? Definitely fucking not.

[–]tehgreatblade -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I feel like what I've said is being vastly misunderstood. I'm not sure how religion is an efficient medium for the transference of moral ideals, as virtually no one no matter how few brains they have says that you can't be a moral person without it.

I'm not a believer of science either, but at least most science has observable evidence while religions do not. If anything, science shows that our world isn't truly real anyway and that essentially demolishes all religions entirely. So, what is the point, exactly, in making up a huge long story just to teach a kid to: Not kill/hurt, steal, cheat, or lie. These are the only things a child must know because no one has the right to impede others deliberately. Therefore, if religion isn't true, then you're lying to your kids, and if it is, then you're cheating them out of the choice to experience the truth for themselves. Religion is a contradiction.

[–]Riaayo 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

People use stories to assist with empathy and lessons all the time, religious or no. Religions are, however, often tied to texts containing a great many of these stories, and generally speaking these texts were written to try and get a people to fall in line with a set of morals, ideals, and general laws of being good back in a time when things were pretty brutal and less advanced.

No, you do not NEED religion to teach you not to be a piece of shit, and sadly some people grab onto this really silly argument of "well if the threat of hell isn't there why WOULDN'T you kill people?" Fuck idk, I'm not a piece of shit? But again, just in the same way as a parent teaching their child right from wrong, those stories are just another tool to assist in that teaching.

I realize it's really easy to feel like religions are utterly intolerant due to how visible extremism is, but intolerance towards the entirety of religion when there is plenty of good in it is really no better than religious intolerance of X, Y, or Z based on some book saying so.

All I'm really saying is just to be careful about your own potential prejudices, intolerance, and the like. It's way too easy to fall into them just from reacting to extremes that admittedly are worth being upset over, but not worth dragging an entire group down / stereotyping them with. We all have to strive to not be shitty, and realize when we are being shitty ourselves.

[–]tehgreatblade -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not intolerant. I'm against treating children like dumb slaves to be controlled. Baptizing them before their first memory, dragging them to church until they have no choice but to learn to like it, etc. things like that are what I'm against. There's nothing wrong with anyone believing how they want, unless they believe they own their children's lives, which apparently some others in this thread do. We also need to accept that, generally, barring shitty parents, children don't actually need to be taught not to harm/lie/kill/steal, they only need to be taught the boundaries of what they do and do not own. Humans are born with decency, but the threat of fire and brimstone is just an inhumane way of teaching that.