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Western Europeans are too brainwashed. (self.european)

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All it took for austria to rile up in support of the "refugees", which are largely military aged single men, was one truck full of dead bodies and the media making a soap opera out of it. It's disgusting how these people think that all refugees come from Syria when it's only 16%, how they have no clue about the consequences, etc. the consequences of this ongoing wave right now will be grand. If this continues for another 3-4 years, civil war will happen.

If our side wins, Europeans will be stronger than ever. If we loose, there will be no more Europeans.

Edit: I do support helping genuine families by creating refugee camps and giving them occupation, but only for families where at least 50% of it's military aged men sign up for an army cohort to fight isis/Islamists in the ME.

Let me tell you one thing, no matter what happens, the brainwashed people will never stop believing what they believe now.

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[–]Enoch_FarageSupport National Action. 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

All media on it shows a weeping widow with a baby in her arms crying, they don't show the 95% who are economic migrants looking for gib me dats.

[–]Cedragus 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do they even show those young black invaders coming out Libya and Africa?

or just selected shots from Balkans ?

[–]Yosiema 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the whole point. Now, they're talking only about poor refugees, while young subsaharian males are coming en masse. Working as intended.

[–]thebobafettest3Imperium Americana 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

All they show are old people/little kids/a few adult men with sob stories.

[–]900PercentSaltIntakeNeuösterreichischer Gott 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

The media should've portrayed that truck thing as a warning to "what happens when you take the illegal route".

Not this pansy shit.

[–]doctorheredoctor 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Just get Europeans to stop smuggling them in if you want it to stop. You think that was a Libyan driving? LOL.

[–]900PercentSaltIntakeNeuösterreichischer Gott 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

stop smuggling them in

I mean...

on my watch there would be SS Gruppen all over the highways and borders executing all these fuckers.

[–]doctorheredoctor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well then good thing society considers you such a marginal turd that you'll never be given any position of authority or responsibility in your entire life.

And good job giving your intelligence agency all your personal extremist political beliefs on a silver platter.

[–]900PercentSaltIntakeNeuösterreichischer Gott 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I believe I'm still allowed to have opinions, as wrong as it seems.

And just because my opinion doesn't agree with yours doesn't mean it should be banned. If you believe and monger for freedom then you are including the freedom to say things your kind of liberal considers "filthy" and "nazi" and "racist".

Now get the fuck out of my sub you disgusting race traitor.

[–]doctorheredoctor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I believe I'm still allowed to have opinions, as wrong as it seem

Yes, and I encourage you to share them online, or if you don't want to wait for it to happen, share them directly with your local police.

Now get the fuck out of my sub you disgusting race traitor.

But muh opinions.

Degenerate internet troll. The Nazis would have had you sterilized.

[–]Zombiescout 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Right Syrians are only a part of it. Many refugees are actually Europeans. (figures from last year)

[–]UskotonEngland 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looking at that info. Germany and Sweden are screwed!

[–]Cedragus 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Poland

Russians

lol wtf

[–]theinfiniti 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone has to push shit Chinese products and cheap liquor into our country. Lol.

[–]redandblackbackpack 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is disgusting is that it will be the young children under 10 that will have to live with their decision to hand away their country to Arabs. They will all be dead when the real impact of this takes place.

[–]Absinthe99United States of America 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this continues for another 3-4 years, civil war will happen.

Have to say that I rather doubt that. Protests & riots... in increasing amounts, probably. All out civil war? Especially in 3 to 4 years? Nah, maybe a decade from now.

If our side wins, Europeans will be stronger than ever. If we loose, there will be no more Europeans.

Of course there will still be "europeans", it's just that the majority will they'll just be dark or swarthy-skinned and muslim; and the "traditional" white europeans (those who stay) will be an aging and ever smaller minority.

Let me tell you one thing, no matter what happens, the brainwashed people will never stop believing what they believe now.

No, most of them likely they will... eventually. Of course only perforce, looong after it is too late.

Saw the same kind of thing with people about the housing bubble stuff here in the US. See, there was no housing bubble from 2000 through 2007... even when it imploded in circa 2008, there still wasn't a housing bubble (it was just some temporary setback). For the most part they were silent during the year after that... Only around 2010, 2011 -- when it was no longer possible to deny it -- did they finally change their view; and then of course they claimed to have NOT changed their view, that they had known all along that it was a bubble, etc.

[–]doctorheredoctor 1ポイント2ポイント  (21子コメント)

Let me tell you one thing, no matter what happens, the brainwashed people will never stop believing what they believe now.

Ever ask yourself what it would take to change your own views?

[–]Outofyourbubble[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yes, often. My views actually used to be liberal leftist feelgoody-good-good. Then after I started actually reading the news and following global events, I returned to Europe at the age of 20, and did a 180 in my views after seeing how badly it changed in just 7 years. Change my views at this point... I am very open minded. You won't change me back to a brainwashed liberal, but I'm not a diehard nazi, I'm open to many solutions to the problems europe is facing now, most importantly compromises that give nationalists/native europeans a guaranteed safe space for the survival of our people, without having to go full nazi and getting rid of all browns&blacks. I know plenty a people can integrate and function in western societies, but there needs to be a balance to everything we do, and this balance is what most people cannot comprehend.

[–]Gwydion87 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

You're my kind of people, too bad the anti-immigration movement gets such a bad rap just because a few dumb neo-Nazi edge-children like to make a lot of noise. I'm looking at some of you on this board, you know who you are.

Yeah, maybe Hitler was right and all of that edgy shit but this isn't the moment for your little revolution, there are real problems that need fixing ASAP and we can't wait for everyone to go Hitlerjugend first because by the time all of "your people" are "awake" and "de-programmed from the Zionist/Lizardmen Homsexual Agenda" it may be too late.

[–]number1kremlin_shillAustria 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Get out Jew provacateur

[–]Gwydion87 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, how terrible would it be if I were to provoke Europeans into enacting sensible immigration policies. Truly a disaster in the making.

[–]number1kremlin_shillAustria 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

No you want us to freak out about "moose-lims" and harness anti Muslim sentiment to rally for your evil apartheid state while race mixing us with "Christian" nigger to make us stupid easy to control by Jew capitalists

[–]Gwydion87 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nope, stopping immigration to Europe has not much at all to do with evil apartheid Nazi Isn'tRealTM nor is it exclusively against Muslims. It's pretty much an obviously good policy and the only reason we're arguing is because you know I'm Jewish.

[–]number1kremlin_shillAustria 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everyone see that you just shilling for Zion

Is not because you are Jew only, is because you neocon anti white Jew.

If you say, "I know I'm a filthy Jew but white must be saved and I die to save them and my filthy Jew brethren must burn" then you okay but now you not saying that..

[–]Gwydion87 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty much saying that and I'm not the least bit anti white. I also don't think my particular death would have any impact on geopolitics whatsoever. Not everything is about this or obsession of yours.

[–]doctorheredoctor 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I just find it interesting that you assume your 'opponents' are radical fanatics that will never be swayed no matter what, but that you are not.

[–]Niederweit 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

People in the 'middle' tend to be able to move to both sides, depending on what they think need to be balanced.

Now the radicals so to say will never be able to be moved from their position, no matter what happens. And that's what we're seeing today I guess, it's clear for all the see, yet many still defend it.

Everybody I think of being moderate, who were ok with a little immigration are now against it.. because it's getting out of control.

A lot of the media tends to be more radical, because I guess that's what's being selected for.. You need to have strong views or want to better the world to be a journalist? Same with politicians..

I myself adjust my opinion from time to time, based on observations and/or proof... is it objective? I'm sure it's not but I try my best to be objective.

[–]doctorheredoctor 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

People in the 'middle' tend to be able to move to both sides, depending on what they think need to be balanced. Now the radicals so to say will never be able to be moved from their position, no matter what happens. And that's what we're seeing today I guess, it's clear for all the see, yet many still defend it.

He said he used to be a "liberal leftist feelgoody-good-good." and is now talking about "guaranteeing a safe space for the survival of our people". One radical end to the other.

So first he says it is impossible for leftists (sorry, "the brainwashed people") to change, then says he was a leftist that changed. Also he totally has black AND muslim friends, so it's cool.

[–]Niederweit 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes I see what you're getting at... Not sure about his Muslim and black friends, that might have been me (although I would describe them as acquaintances). And that was just to point out I don't dislike certain races but certain cultures.

Thing is the stronger the conviction of people the harder they are to change..

Now we've seen a wave of information that shows we can't be all "liberal leftist feelgoody-good-good".. What he might be getting at is that the people that still believe in that fantasy now are either brainwashed or too ill-informed to ever change?

But what's your take on this, other than pointing out possible hypocrisy?

Edit: Spelling & grammar

[–]doctorheredoctor 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

that might have been me

Whoops. Keep thinking you're OP because you responded to the question I asked him.

But what's your take on this, other than pointing out possible hypocrisy?

I was neutral to immigration before the crisis, but ever since the subject has flooded the internet I've grown tired of the same debunked arguments being trotted out against (and sometimes for) it repeatedly.

There are very good reasons to be against immigration, and I mean the way Europe is doing immigration right now, yet I very rarely see them used. Instead, I usually see cherry picking and subtle or not subtle cultural or ethnic superiority complexes. I almost caught myself becoming explicitly pro-immigration just because of the degeneracy of subs like this one.

The pro-immigration side (and this is a problem of labels as well, I am more anti-anti-immigration than I am pro-immigration, as I think most are) focuses on humanitarianism and legal obligations, the anti-side relies on FUD through deceptive use of statistics and mass-repeated catchphrases that don't hold up to any scrutiny.

While I do not want to see parallel migrant cultures set up all over Europe that fail to integrate, I have to admit the "pro-" folk are almost always technically correct in online debates, but importantly they don't even see why politicians want a massive cheap work force imported.

Classical socialists were anti-immigration because they saw these uneducated masses as being the tool of capitalists to exploit us for cheap labor and drive competition between laborers. Interestingly and counter-intuitively, one of the best things to happen to Europe was the Black Death: wealth got concentrated in the survivors, and technological innovation followed the lack of manpower; the renaissance blossomed in the aftermath. Fewer people can indeed be better than more.

But really to come back to this:

But what's your take on this

No they aren't all economic migrants, no they aren't all young fit men, no they didn't all leave their families behind despicably, no they aren't all rich despite having shitty Chinese knockoff phones, no they don't cost us anything near as much as high level corruption and financial fraud, no our economies are not unable to cope with them, no we cannot pretend we have zero responsibility after destabilizing their countries, no Germany will not be taking 800000 refugees this year, no they are not going to outbreed and replace white people, no there will not be a European civil war because of this, yes we do have to maintain European standards and ideals when dealing with them, and no we cannot shoot the boats.

[–]Niederweit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No they aren't all economic migrants

Many are, now I can't blame them for wanting to get the most out of their 3000 dollars they invested... But it's not fair to the ones that don't have the money but are really refugees. We simply cannot distinguish because they destroy their documentation and often lie about their situation. Look at some of the youtube videos posted on here with interviews from those migrants.

no they aren't all young fit men,

The majority is, sent to make the journey so the family can follow some years/months later.

no they didn't all leave their families behind despicably

No many were sent by their families, again look at some youtube videos with interviews. Some families put money together so one can make it and can 'earn' some money to send the rest. Or through family reunification.

no they aren't all rich despite having shitty Chinese knockoff phones.

Most of them pay 3000 dollars, that's rich in those areas.

our economies are not unable to cope with them

Our economies are unable to cope with our own elderly, we have to work longer and longer just to cope. Now these refugees don't have a positive effect on our economies, and with their skills never will.. Maybe there's a small chance their children will, but mass-immigration from the past proves otherwise (Dutch 2nd gen Morrocans for example).

no we cannot pretend we have zero responsibility after destabilizing their countries

We can't help the entire world, we have not destabilized Erithrea, Somalia and many other African countries.. We've been trying help buy off our white guilt for years.

Yes we fucked Libya, Iraq, Syria.. You want to move the entire population? We're draining them from the middle and upper-class needed to rebuild their country in the future.

no they are not going to outbreed and replace white people

I agree, but give it enough time and they'll make up a sizable portion and want to push their 'rights' as we've seen in Britain, France etc. Women will be called whores, they'll want their own sharia courts, already now were seeing ads, which show women, being ripped off/covered/destroyed in certain neighborhoods. Push it another 5 generations and secular whites might be a minority.

No Germany will not be taking 800000 refugees this year,

Most sources say they will, we'll see at the end of the year.

yes we do have to maintain European standards and ideals when dealing with them.

How though? You can't force them to change their culture? Either accept our culture and promise to completely lose important parts of yours or leave?

We cannot shoot the boats

Indeed, create a safezone temporary city in the Libyan desert and ship them back. The flow will stop, and we get the time to finally deal with the ones already here. (Sent the criminals back and hope for the best for the rest of them)

I'll look up some of the sources I based this on, and add them later.

[–]Niederweit 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

I have, I was ok with immigration. Grew in up an area with low crime, not many immigrants etc.

Then I grew up, started looking around me. Went more and more into the city and saw with my own eyes it's not something we should want.

It should be clear for everybody these days, all the information is available for all to see and connect the dots. Seems almost like a religion, everybody should be able to connect the dots yet people still buy it.

Now don't get me wrong, I have good acquaintances who are Muslim, black, mixed etc. I can laugh with them, talk with them etc.. But a group of them too large to integrate properly into society just causes too many problems. Understandably they stick together, the ones acting like the 'natives' tend to be good working people... The ones that don't tend to have problems.

[–]Outofyourbubble[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm somewhat where you are. One thing is sure, western culture is superior over most others.

[–]rebola_thesequel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just a quick pointer. You have to be very strict in not conflating culture with race in your arguments. The cultural angle is very legit and will get traction, but if you start throwing around words like "Muslim" and "brown/black" you'll just be dismissed as a racist. Besides, people's skin color doesn't matter, it's how people integrate into society. Some cultures simply don't.

[–]Cantstop01 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I feel like I have more in common with you than most people here. My beliefs stem from my experiences and observations. I believe that an intelligent person puts two and two together and forms a reasonable, unbiased opinion based on that.

Over here in Canada I lived in a very multicultural community and grew up with Asians, blacks, Indians you name it. As I grew older, the naive veil was lifted because as a young adult you begin to look at the bigger picture of the world you live in. I always treated everyone with the utmost respect, as my dad had taught me. I used to try so hard to make friends with the lebs, afghans, even Muslims.

When I finally moved from the multicultural community I realized that it wasn't me, it was the fact that I was only white kid in my class. When you experience life as a white minority you get to see firsthand what it's going to be like in the future. This is why I hold the opinion that the leftist don't actually live amongst those who they say are exactly the same as us. I need you to trust me when I say I don't say this from a dark place, but they are simply not the same as us, and as another poster put it; our culture quite simply, is just better.

[–]Niederweit 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes I agree our culture is superior in most (if not all) ways. It's just that people here seem to think everybody who has different genes (or race) is by definition unable to assimilate into our culture... That's something I don't agree with.

A few honest refugees would have been ok, thousands of migrants is not. It all started in the 60s over here.... Big mistakes were made, most acknowledge them now but are making the same mistakes again.

But yeah I tend to agree with you on most things it seems.

[–]Cantstop01 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem stems from multiculturalism.

Multiculturalism is built, in whole, on a false premise. That premise as pointed out earlier is the belief that all cultures are created equal. This is invariably false.

Cultures are a system of beliefs and values. Not all beliefs and values are or can be equal. If I value raping your sister because she is attractive to me, and many in this culture beliefs this as well, saying that this culture is equal to all others is beyond a reasonable a persons comprehension.

Try and point this out to a leftist, and the multi-cult wants your fucking head. It's asinine.

[–]BIG_GUY_FOR_YOU 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let me tell you one thing, no matter what happens, the brainwashed people will never stop believing what they believe now.

Not with that attitude.

[–]Pjup 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can someone give me some source on the 16% thing?

[–]Fapstronaut_TK_421 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bet my ass that in 2 years there will be a movie about a bunch of innocent Syrian families whose lives will have been destroyed by Jihadists and then they have to leave Syria and wander through Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary and Austria to reach the land of opportunities: Germany. So they pay some smugglers to bring them there, but they end up dead in a van in Austria.

Maybe it won't take 2 years.

[–]Resin234 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sooner or later, Europe will need to adopt the Australian policy of intercepting illegal maritime arrivals and sending them straight back, in life boats if need be. The entire African continent will be empty before too long if the current soft cock approach is kept in place. The lack of leadership here is just unfathomable, it shouldn't be like this. Where did it all go wrong?