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[–]theeggman12345Deliverer of Freedom Fries 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

0 points, 35 comments, tons of new usernames

[–]WolfBiedermanRocksNHS DEATH PANEL JUDGE 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pretty sure brigading is against the rules of reddit...

[–]thejadefalcon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Careful there, mate. Wouldn't want to be "cry about downvoting", would we?

[–]Tubaka 4ポイント5ポイント  (21子コメント)

I don't really see what's wrong with this. Americans don't like spending trillions on the military any more than other countries like us spending trillions on the military. I'm all for America defunding their military if there was any other organization that could take over

[–]thejadefalcon -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Americans don't like spending trillions on the military

As a general rule, this may be true. However, the legions of idiots who would shout you down for being "un-American" etc. etc. for even suggesting lowering the budget cloud the waters on what the cultural view of it actually is.

[–]Tubaka 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Implying that there exist an idea in the world that doesn't have a small extremist following

[–]thejadefalcon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, I know, I'm simply saying that that loud minority can sometimes be very loud and makes it unclear how big or small they actually are.

[–]daimposter 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why are you spreading lies? It was one of the big talking points of the Republican party in 2012 to argue against Obama's defense spending cuts and saying he is making this country weak.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/22/why-horsesandbayonets-is-trending/

It made for one the most interesting moments in the presidential debates when Mitt Romney, the most moderate of the serious Republican candidates that year, tried attacking Obama's spending cuts by saying the Navy was the smallest in almost 100 years. Obama responded with "Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military's changed."

And before that, the Republican party was fully supportive of massive military spending. It was during the 2012 presidential campaign and debates that we started seeing far more support to reduce spending .

http://reason.com/archives/2009/03/30/the-myth-of-democratic-defense

The libertarian reason.com argues in 2009 that Republicans have to stop trying to increase military spending.

[–]Pianocapybara 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

...And Romney lost.

[–]daimposter 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

He beat out a dozen others....and lost by a couple % points.

[–]Pianocapybara 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

AKA didn't win?

[–]daimposter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really don't get your point. He got 48% of the vote...how is he speaking for some fringe group. This discussion is just stupid

[–]daimposter -3ポイント-2ポイント  (12子コメント)

Bull. American's (I'm American) love having the big military so we can boss other countries around. Look at the HUGE outcry when Obama started cutting the military budget...the right wing cried about how he is weakening America and blah blah.

[–]Tubaka -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

"Implying that there exist an idea in the world that doesn't have a small extremist following"

[–]daimposter 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Small extremist??? It was the god damn Republican parties message. Do you not recall Mitt Romney talking about how Obama was cutting defense spending and mentioned something about how the Navy was smaller than it was in 1916? That's when Obama said the now famous 'we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military's changed'.

They were trying to attack Obama for cutting spending on the military. 'Small extremist"

edit: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/22/why-horsesandbayonets-is-trending/

"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916," Obama said in a pointed jab at the GOP nominee. "Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military's changed."

He continued, "We had these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines. So the question is not a game of battleship where we're counting ships. It's 'What are our capabilities?'"

[–]Tubaka -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes I forgot that before the republican candidate makes a statement he consults his entire party

[–]daimposter 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doesn't matter that it was the most centrist of the candidates. And just because almost every other candidate said it....and just because it was a big talking point by many people in congress and right wing media.....it doesn't mean much. Just a 'small extremist'.

I'm guessing you are a libertarian republican who is trying to downplay the worse of the Republican party. I'm seriously trying to figure out why you are calling it a 'small extremist'.

[–]Tubaka -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because i come from a heavily conservative area and I know that most conservative people don't like tons of spending on the military. The republican leaders are completely out of touch with their party. The only reason they stay in power because the alternative is voting for a group of people whose ideology is completely different

[–]thejadefalcon 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think an American will actually know the subject better than you will, mate.

[–]Tubaka -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I live in America m80

[–]thejadefalcon 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm all for America defunding their military

Forgive me for assuming you weren't.

That said, then this was my point. You're both Americans and you both feel differently. There's a loud minority on this topic and it clouds the issue on exactly how much of the country feels a certain way. Responding all the time with "extremists exist" doesn't answer that in any way, shape or form.

[–]Tubaka -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well I can tell you that I have not met a single american who believes that spending 25% of the yearly budget on the military is a good idea. So excuse me for believing it's a vocal minority.

[–]thejadefalcon 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

For fuck's sake, man, learn to fucking read. I've never fucking said "every American believes this", Jesus Christ. I've said that that "loud minority" (FFS, I've said it in every fucking post) can cloud the issue because of how loud they are. Clearly some Americans believe it or we wouldn't be having this conversation. What I don't know is how many do, what the culture-wide view is. In my experience, it's actually been about 50/50, but I'm across the pond, so I don't get as much exposure to the issue.

[–]Tubaka 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And I'm explaining why it's a group that is so small it's irrelevant. I don't know what point you are arguing if any. I'm telling you from a centrist perspective even the people who literally tell me they are joining the marines just to shoot towelheads (their words not mine) don't believe we should spend that much on our military.

[–]thejadefalcon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if it is a tiny minority, the fact that it's being parroted by presidential candidates is concerning, no?

[–]yankbotEnglish motherfucker! Do you speak it? 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you're not well versed on the subject and you're not American. Makes sense to post about it then. Especially with an incorrect title. Couldn't be that you have ulterior motives in posting this. America sucks, amirite???

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[–]Erik_MeijerMake America Great Again #Trump2016 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're being upvoted unironicly for a change comrade yankbot.

[–]p5ycho29 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This can't be intelligently argued against, it is true. And you can remove European, there are treaties of the same in the Pacific as well.