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    Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences?

    Zach Stafford
    Zach Stafford
    White men have more room to push sexual boundaries without being immediately being treated like they have a pathological problem
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    “But why are all these straight men vying to take a swim in the rainbow pool?” Photograph: David Levene for The Guardian
    If I have learned anything in my life so far, it’s that the only group of people more obsessed with touching a penis than gay men is straight ones. Promise.
    I began noticing this all the way back at my very white elementary school, when boys would roughhouse and grope each other on the playground while always making sure to punctuate their grabs with gay slurs that called the receiver of that grab a homosexual.
    As I got older, those grabs evolved. And over time – especially once I got to my very white college – the grabs from straight men became caressing or kissing or, for the bold, sex. And during all of this, these men, these straight men who were always my bully growing up or even in college classrooms, maintained their straightness while I was constantly reminded of how they despised my gayness even as I entertained their episodic gay-interests.
    And I am not alone in being the object of ambivalent, conflicted desire by men who identify as straight.
    “I think homosexual desire and homosexual contact are staples of the human experience,” professor Jane Ward, University of California, Riverside, recently told me. “But are also subject to incredible cultural baggage.”
    But why are all these straight men vying to take a swim in the rainbow pool?
    Ward, who recently published her latest book, Not Gay: Sex Between Straight White Men, asked herself a similar question years back after hearing from a man she went on a date with about how ‘gay’ his straight fraternity had been.
    From her research, she has arrived at an interesting conclusion: straight men – specifically white men – are having sex with other men to affirm just how straight they are, because to be straight and still be able to perform ‘gay sex’ – while always remaining uninterested – is the height of white masculinity. And they are the primary group doing this, because they can.
    “Sometimes white people, and men in particular, bristle at the concept of ‘privilege,’” she says, speaking more broadly about the term that many use to describe inherent advantages white people have due to skin color.
    “But in the context of [my] book, recognizing privilege isn’t about denying what is unique about individual straight white men; it’s about recognizing that straight white men have some unique cultural resources they can draw on to explain away and justify their presumably discordant sex practices.”
    According to Ward, this behavior is very much tied to their white privilege, heteronormativety and male privilege to create a nexus in which straight white men can have sex with one another and face no repercussions.
    “White men have more room to push sexual boundaries without being immediately pathologized [due to their privileges],” she continued.
    And she’s right – and I am annoyed that she is on a certain level.
    So far this year, LGBTQ people of color – especially transgender women of color – have faced record-breaking amounts of violence – a 20-year-old transgender woman was murdered in Dallas this week. Her name was Shade Schuler.
    The group that faces less violence, while perpetuating it the quickest in our current moment, is straight white men.
    I don’t have an issue with straight men having sex with other men and not calling it gay or having it change their identity. People can and should do whatever they desire as long as it’s consensual. But what I find annoying is how this game called life is so unevenly stacked – with one group holding all the cards.
    We see that with the disproportionate ways in which people of color face police violence, poverty, health disparities and this list could keep going.
    As a gay man, who has faced violence for being gay, to see evidence that shows the very men that perpetuate this violence are doing the same sexual acts as me to show just how ‘straight’ they are is absolutely gross - and homophobic at best.
    (Or how problematic is that white straight men get a whole book in many ways defending their straightness, but black men are most of the time demonized with words like ‘down low’ in books about their lives.)
    Being gay is still not easy, especially as a person of color. And thanks to the help of the marriage equality movement, being gay is becoming less and less gay, and much more straight – with many seeing ‘us’ as finally close to being straight. This thought has even led to our gayborhoods beginning to disappear as acceptance of LGBT people rises.
    In 2015, gay seems to be less gay than it ever has been. And while I want acceptance of us in the world at large, I still want us. I want us queer, I want us to have individualistic characteristics as a group, I want us to have something that is ours and not something that a straight white man can play with to prove just how much of a man he is.
    But what I don’t want is to hear that white privilege not only lets straight men get paid more than me, face less violence than me, live longer than people like me, but also have sex with other men and not facing any of the violence people like me face – because that is incredibly infuriating.
    • This article was amended on 13 August 2015. The article has been amended to reflect the fact that Shade Schuler was killed in Dallas, not Detroit. An earlier version also misspelled Schuler’s name and been corrected.

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    • 143 144
      the grabs from straight men became caressing or kissing or, for the bold, sex.
      That is a strange use of the word "straight"
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      • 43 44
        It might seem strange. But. As a queer myself, I can't really speak personally about the gay sex experiences of straight men. However, I've been surprised time and time again by ostensibly straight men who, when they feel safe enough to speak, admit to wanting to try things out, have casual sex etc. Whilst remaining emotionally and socially more interested in women. This might be bisexuality in the strictest sense, but it's distinct from the experiences of most bisexual men, and far, far more common. Even my father has been known to be interested in that sort of thing, though I don't believe he's done anything.
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      • 36 37
        They're not straight, they're bisexual.
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    • 36 37
      Don't think too much.
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    • 28 29
      I called it experimenting, tried it a few times, realised that i preferred girls and stuck to them from there on in.
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    • 19 20
      I think there's definitely a sense in which some "straight" men turn their ire on those who identify as homosexual because they feel like it threatens their own "straight" identity (whereas it's actually the fact they enjoy sexual contact with men which does that, you'd have thought....).
      Is it worse in America, I wonder? Undoubtedly, I saw examples of the sort of defensive homophobia and sexual horseplay in schools in England, but it was always pretty clear that a male who had actual sex with another man was definitely, definitely, not "straight".
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    • 12 13
      I read an interview with the author of the book - worth a link, as there are some really interesting points outlined in it which I don't think are really covered by Stafford:
      Or how problematic is that white straight men get a whole book in many ways defending their straightness
      The author has given an explanation as to why she's focused on white men in particular, recognising that white masculinity (as she calls it) impacts upon same-sex relations in a way that may not have the same applicability elsewhere.
      And more importantly, exploring or explaining something is not to defend it. Not everything needs to be a polemic, although she appears to have strong ideas regarding gay/queer culture versus heternormativity (and compulsory heterosexuality), which introduce a far more positive slant on what it means to identify as gay/queer/bi. From the interview, at least, it seems she is on the same page as Stafford as seeking there to continue to be an identifiably gay/queer culture.
      That said, I don't resent, or see why anyone should resent, anyone else for having sexual interactions with someone of the same sex without identifying as gay or queer, particularly in the contexts described by the book. I think there's a lot to be said for encouraging fluidity without rigorously defending particular boxes of sexual orientation which we cannot cross.
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      • 32 33
        I think there's a lot to be said for encouraging fluidity
        snigger
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      • 15 16
        I don't resent, or see why anyone should resent, anyone else for having sexual interactions with someone of the same sex without identifying as gay or queer, particularly in the contexts described by the book.
        I don't, but I can completely understand why the author of the above article has a serious problem with the hypocrisy of engaging in sexual acts that one then decries -- and even bullies -- in others, even to the point of violence.
        Hypocrisy is hypocrisy regardless of its orientation.
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      • 5 6
        Yes, absolutely, but that's the fault of a homophobic society rather than white privilege per se (and in reality it will only those who are involved in sexual activity as part of same "pack" related thing that this will apply to - those who are in denial or struggling to reconcile their desires will be experiencing some pretty heavy internalised homophobia.
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    • 46 47
      From her research, she has arrived at an interesting conclusion: straight men – specifically white men – are having sex with other men to affirm just how straight they are, because to be straight and still be able to perform ‘gay sex’ – while always remaining uninterested – is the height of white masculinity.
      That certainly is interesting, may I ask how prevalent this is? Or has she managed to find a tiny minority and extrapolate that into an overarching thesis?
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      • 15 16
        As written, either the researcher or writer ATL seem to believe this is the case for 100% of straight white men. Pardon the pun but bollox.
        Also, if there are any figures available from this "research", it would be interesting to see if there are any racial differences, no?
        Alternatively, just all let's admit this is just diverting but ridiculous clickbait to pass 5 mins at work?
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      • 25 26
        "because to be straight and still be able to perform ‘gay sex’ – while always remaining uninterested – is the height of white masculinity." Is it prevalent?
        Yes, I think it's weird. I have never heard white (or whatever color) straight men brag about having had sex with other men. So I don't know how it is perceived as the "height of white masculinity".
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      • 28 29
        It's very prevalent in Arab culture and many other non-western cultures so I don't know why the author thinks is a problem with white men. Did she actually look at any other groups before she decided it was a white thing?
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    • 71 72
      As a gay man, I find this article ridiculous, full of gross generalizations and stereotypes. Everyone goes through a homosexual phase of development during early puberty -- sorry, it's not just at English public schools!
      Most go on (I won't say "grow out of it"), while gay boys realize that this is what they've been looking for. Some, for whatever reason, stay in the developmental phase for longer -- hence the frat boys. But ultimately, they aren't going to have gay sex into adulthood.
      Unless, of course, they're in the Royal Navy (Churchill's famous "rum, sodomy and the lash"), in jail or at a Catholic seminary.
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      • 35 36
        Everyone goes through a homosexual phase

        Are you sure? Next to no such feelings myself.
        I know the typical reaction to saying such things, but no really, I've sat around in gay pubs and gay restaurants and not a flicker of interest.
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      • 153 154
        I've sat around in gay pubs and gay restaurants and not a flicker of interest.
        Should've tarted yourself up a bit then.
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      • 35 36
        I found that *some* people go through this phase, and not all act on it, though personally I did have a "boyfriend" at 13. We tried to learn how to have sex together for years (sadly lube wasn't something sex ed taught us.) I always knew I was gay, he was sure he was in love with me, but also liked girls. He's married to a woman now and identifies as straight. Years later I met another man who was now straight but said he'd experimented with another lad as a child. That's my whole experience of straight men who had gay experiences. They exist, but they really don't seem to be as common as it's made out.
        My equally valid research (source: stuff on the internet) suggests that very closed heterosexual groups of men like frats can have a freedom to enjoy physical and nude japery on the grounds there's no gays or women there to make it weird (don't girls do this at slumber parties?) And what outsiders bring to it is their own judgements, eg how westerners view Indian wrestling as gay, or effeminate thin men as gay, while Japanese people view muscular men as gay. But... it's just not gay, and I find the case to be more in the realm of "Straight men can't display affection to other men without it being seen as gay", which is no privilege at all.
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    • 5 6
      Is there a way one might isolate those straight white males undertaking this type of behavior? I am hoping I can implement it on a number of forward players from several rugby teams. Thanks.
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    • 92 93
      "straight men – specifically white men – are having sex with other men to affirm just how straight they are, because to be straight and still be able to perform ‘gay sex’ – while always remaining uninterested – is the height of white masculinity. "
      Is this a generational thing? Or a US one?
      Because, speaking as a middle aged straight white guy I can say I have no experience of this happening at all.
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    • 7 8
      What a mess we've got ourselves into by turning "freedom" into self-gratification!
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    • 65 66
      Why can straight white men...
      Why do black lesbian's...
      Why are Asian women...
      Why do some people feel compelled to pass judgement on others because of their gender, sexuality or ethnicity?
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    • 81 82
      Baffling article and badly written. Is it about being gay or about race or what? Who are all these straight white men? I never got the memo that we're supposed to be doing this. Or maybe it's just a ridiculously over-generalised headline.
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    • 11 12
      Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences?
      It's because the white proletariat is the most advanced class fraction on the planet.
      I don't like to give credit to the bourgeois but fair's fair, despite their headlong plummet back into Victorian hypermoralism, they're still pretty easy goin' by historical standards too.
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    • 19 20
      Trying to follow the links from this article through to Buzzfeed is difficult, as the site seems very slow, but of the 8 murders it describes the first two were arrests have been made it seems the killers are Henry Gleaves (shot Papi Edwards) and Raheam Felton (stabbed London Kiki Chanel).
      Neither are white men, the group the author describes as "perpetuating it [violence] the quickest in our current moment"
      indeed the rest of the article seems to say white men are increasingly at ease with gender fluidity and sexuality.
      Other groups may be less so
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      • 4 5
        indeed the rest of the article seems to say white men are increasingly at ease with gender fluidity and sexuality.
        You'd have thought, but the argument of the book appears that those straight identified men who have sexual contact with other men often carry a certain amount of homophobia around with them, or do so with the purposes of reinforcing and asserting their heterosexuality (i.e. the I'm so straight I can do this and it doesn't even make me gay).
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      • 19 20
        Maybe, I haven't read the book, and am not really familair with the phenomena personally.
        I take some issue with the author's contention that the group quickest to perpetuate violence on sexuality/gender grounds is white male's.
        When I follow the links and find those commiting the violence aren't actually white males.
        Maybe the reason white males can have this striaght gay sex is that other white males are less likely to react violently?
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      • 3 4
        Maybe the reason white males can have this striaght gay sex is that other white males are less likely to react violently?
        Only in the context of how it happens, i.e. whether it's to reinforce their heterosexuality or as part of a male bonding activity.
        I don't know whether any one race is more or less likely to be violent to gay people, but I think the main point of the article is that it is those who identify as gay etc who are at risk whilst those who identify as straight can take part in same-sex activity with less risk. I think it's more complex than that, though.
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    • 47 48
      "Or how problematic is that white straight men get a whole book in many ways defending their straightness, but black men are most of the time demonized with words like ‘down low’ in books about their lives."
      I'm sorry, but what on earth is this supposed to mean?
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      • 76 77
        I think he's pissed off that black men are more homophobic than middle class white men.
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      • 28 29
        That is the elephant in the room of this 'article'. Black cultures tend to be more homophobic than white cultures, with severe consequences for black men who were gay or experimented with gay sex, from other black people. Back in the day many black people used to regard homosexuality as a white man's disease. We used to call this straight men having gay sex phenomena 'men who have sex with men', but they did not identify as gay, which was seen as their prerogative, like coming out being a personal decision and 'outing' being wrong. I'd have a lot more respect for this commentator if he addressed black homophobia and didn't try to conflate his analysis of straight men having gay sex with 'white privilege'. But that doesn't fit the narrative that white people are essentially all the same and 'white privilege' is to blame for all the evils in the world, including, apparently, homophobia! The Gatekeeper has become a total laughing stock.
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    • 49 50
      Surely if white men want to "experiment", and face no social stigma or violence as a result, that's a good thing? Yeah, describe it as privilege if you so desire, but I don't get the fundamental premise of the article.
      Is the writer placing violence and discrimination as an essential part of the queer experience, rather than a dangerous side effect? That is massively troubling to me.
      Or is this just an inverted, backhanded way of saying black people are homophobic, without actually spelling it out? I recall a similar article a few weeks ago that made a similar amount of sense...
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      • 17 18
        Yeah, it seems harsh to some how blame striaght white men for this. Surely the problem lies elsewhere?
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      • 8 9
        Surely if white men want to "experiment", and face no social stigma or violence as a result, that's a good thing?
        Not if they're also engaged in perpetuating a stigma or violence towards those who are gay/bi etc, which the book argues does happen.
        Is the writer placing violence and discrimination as an essential part of the queer experience, rather than a dangerous side effect?
        A realistic aspect of the queer experience for many, rather than an inherent part, but I think he's saying that it's unfair this is more likely to be experienced by those who "commit" to a gay/queer etc identity than those who engage in same-sex activity without doing so.
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      • 9 10
        The idea of someone perpetuating a stigma against gay people to hide their own feelings isn't particularly new.
        The bit I had a problem was the conclusion of the article. You are right to say it is "unfair" that people should have to experience violence, but that isn't what the writer says. He says it is "infuriating", which is different and I read that as quite a vindictive sentiment - essentially "if you aren't being victimized because of it, it's not gay sex".
        Maybe I'm picking at words a bit, but he is supposedly a professional writer...
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    • 50 51
      Can't beat a bit of straight-on-straight gay action.
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    • 2 3
      What does this subject have to do with LGBT rights?
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    • 4 5
      Eh? Is this more prevalent a phenomenon than straight black men being on the downlow?
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    • 68 69
      Straight men have gay sex to prove how straight they are? I literally have no idea what you mean
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      • 15 16
        Well, I have watched documentaries about rugby players and their antics where psychologists analysed and described what was happening and yes, proving ones self to be straight by performing sexual actions on members of the same sex is a form of reverse psychology! Often the alpha male of the 'pack' would initiate behaviour where the subordinate males would perform homoerotic acts and mock. It was seen as a form of assertion of authority and dominance. And, just because you have no idea doesn't mean the research is wrong. Moreover, supporting studies of tying male and female genitals to sensors, of people who described themselves as 'straight' and were then subjected to heterosexual and homosexual imagery, were found to be subconsciously stimulated by the same-sex visuals. These people, incidentally, described themselves as holding homophobic views. The conclusion of the study? The saying of 'the lady doth protest too much' (or man) is quite right, the more homophobic the stronger the same-sex urges. And, through cultural conditioning, being told same sex attraction is wrong, this caused researchers to believe that this meant they 'project' there sexual insecurity onto others as a means to evade detection.
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      • 10 11
        According to the author, there are examples in which men (usually in fraternities etc) will have sexual contact with another to assert their heterosexuality (as in "I'm so straight that I can do this stereotypically gay thing and still be straight", i.e. the pranks, dares etc).
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      • 7 8
        ...just because you have no idea doesn't mean the research is wrong...

        Research - hah!
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    • 37 38
      Umm, I think the problem here maybe one of nomenclature. Men who have sex with other men aren't straight.
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    • 47 48
      Surely it's straight white *women* who are "allowed" to have sex with each other without being thought gay.
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    • 42 43
      Pseudo science from a pseudo scientist.
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    • 38 39
      Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences?
      Um, they can't.
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      • 47 48
        If you have sex with men for sexual reasons (i.e. not for money or some other extrinsic motivation) then you aren't straight.
        I think the more interesting question is "Why are so many bisexual men self-identifying as straight?". I think there are many reasons, many of them to do with the homophobia of straight men. But one reason that is often overlooked is the role of straight women in this. I've heard many many straight women who have no problem with gay men, but would not like to have a relationship with a bisexual man. If you are a man with some degree of attraction to other men, but who by and large tends to prefer women, then why would you identify as bi when this will put women off.
        In summary, it isn't just straight white men who need to take a serious look at their attitudes.
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    • 4 5
      I've stopped going to the gay dating sites. It's mostly married men looking for a night of Gay sex with muscled college boys. I have yet to see any Gay site where someone that doesn't look like an A&F ad or has $100 bills falling out of his ass, that has a chance to meet anyone.
      The only people that hit on me are my friends' mothers... and fathers.
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