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[–]avian_buddha 144ポイント145ポイント  (29子コメント)

This is about 1% of their population - in a year. Outrageous. If I were German I'd be absolutely furious. And I'm sure they're getting there.

[–]TacticalCancer 66ポイント67ポイント  (16子コメント)

It's not only that. Immigrants usually have more kids and considering that Ethnic Germans have the lowest birth rate wordwide, their population is rapidly being replaced.

[–]giantjesus 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

They have only slightly more kids. Birth rate of immigrant women in Germany is 1.6 compared to 1.3 for ethnic Germans, both far below replacement level.

It seems the low birth rate is contagious.

[–]KungFuMi 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Career>Family. Guess one could call it a cultural thing in germany.

[–]From_outer_space 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think that a good amount of people decide to not have Kids, because the future doesn't look very promising.

[–]Scande 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't believe that is the reason for more people wanting 1 or less children. (replacement rate would be 2.3?)

Children are hard work and a huge commitment with almost no benefits.
People used to need children to secure their retirement. Children used to be useful for helping on the fields and even more important, you used to risk getting kids if you wanted to have sex.
I really don't buy the argument that people don't have kids because they feel the world is to unfair/getting worse. Objectively, especially us living in "the west", have never enjoyed more freedom and time than we do now.

[–]MoravianPrince 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fewer people are born in developed contries the fewer taxes are paid, the fewer are funds for th underdeveloped countries that always have a population boom. Other booms as well.

[–]probablyNOTtomclancy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But that sort of planned sustainable growth is one of the many reasons Germany isn't a shit show like many other places in the world. When you have massive population increases each year it causes instability.

[–]vasileios13 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

And probably they'll receive a non-trivial amount of legal immigrants from within the EU or even outside it.

[–]nug4t 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

seriously : why? Im german and I am Glad we are able to take them. we need them too because of our demographic developement and mostly they are well educated,.. its the middle class mostly we are getting

[–]SpideySense123 71ポイント72ポイント  (44子コメント)

I don't understand why Germany and many other European countries not only allow these asylum seekers to come in, but allow them to increase the crime rate exponentially, plus give them public benefits and free rent. I think almost all Europeans want it to end. People need to stop being afraid of being called racist and start defending their own countries.

I think there will be a strong backlash and right wing candidates will win across Europe. Immigrants will have their citizenship taken away and these asylum seekers will be sent back.

[–]mcgclover 17ポイント18ポイント  (24子コメント)

Right wing candidates are already starting to win or at least be more popular in all of Europe. And yes, people are more racist. But there is a huge difference between immigrants, asylum seekers and second/third generation immigrants with citizenship. And it has nothing to do with being afraid of being called racist. These countries are accepting refugees/ asylum seekers because it's part of their law/ constitution. It's their duty to accept at least a certain amount of people that are seeking asylum. Also I'm pretty sure they can't just take their citizenship away.

[–]LuSull 7ポイント8ポイント  (23子コメント)

Charity is not an obligation. The laws ratified were never intended to serve this purpose. What's more second and third generation immigrants are often worse than their parents when it comes to crime or terrorism.

There would be no terrorism in Europe if there weren't large Muslim populations. Sweden wouldn't be the rape capital if there weren't African immigration. The standard of living in France and England would be significantly higher.

This is democracy totally running counter to the will of everyone. It's socialist elites pushing a religion of egalitarianism and out-group preference signalling. We need tough and hard men running countries, true statesmen. Not socialist nancies looking to be charitable with other people's money and land.

[–]Nikotiiniko 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weird politcs. The situation is not quite as bad here in Finland but you can not be against immigration. You are a nazi racist if you think it's a bad idea to let thousands of economically draining, relatively highly criminal people come here. Most of us don't want them here, yet no one can say it. We are scared and apologetic when it comes to this topic. There have even been rallies against these few that talk against immigration. Granted they were a bit radical but I think their point was to force the topic out there. Unfortunately it backfired and apologeticism is at it's highest.

Oh yeah, we also directly fund ISIS. We know about the people who left Finland for ISIS but we still pay their welfare and we will let them come back. Only argument for this I've heard was "It would be dangerous not to." What the fuck does that even mean? Let's fund literal terrorists to lower some mystical danger. Surely that means we are safer and no more terrorists come here. Oh wait!

[–]surfjihad 296ポイント297ポイント  (184子コメント)

3/4 of a millIon economically useless people in one year? Good God

[–]KevinGilbert 52ポイント53ポイント  (44子コメント)

Germany has 80 million people and is the size of Minnesota. Think about that. Think about 750K of people, entering that space.

Fun fact: The largest city in Minnesota is Minneapolis with an estimated pop of 408K.

[–]Drakengard 40ポイント41ポイント  (18子コメント)

Yeah, but that's not because Minnesota is small. It's because Minnesota is a desolate frozen wasteland half the year that no one really wants to live in all that much outside of major cities.

The only place worse is probably Wisconsin.

[–]fdsa4322 16ポイント17ポイント  (12子コメント)

you know about the dakotas, right?

[–]stanglemeir 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

And Alaska?

[–]Niicks 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

We do all right in Canada. Bears as footrests, and moose bring us fresh maple syrup with our morning newspapers.

[–]American_Otaku 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Teach me the ways of your people's. I want to learn how to Tim Horton's.

[–]Niicks 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

You must spend two weeks in a hockey ring, start calling it a remote instead of a clicker, and wrestle a polar bear. Only then will you be ready to learn our ways.

Sorry for it being so complicated.

[–]skullblasta 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man Wisconsin's fine! We have shitty politics but the food's great and the people are decent. Madison is an awesome town and Door County is beautiful and peaceful. Obviously places like Racine or Beloit suck but we have a few real nice places.

[–]Cforq 3ポイント4ポイント  (15子コメント)

I think that is a bad comparison. There is a shitload of space in Minnesota. They could easily take a million people in that state and you wouldn't even notice.

[–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one wants 1 million people suddenly moving into their area, and even the mere suggestion that such a thing is positive, is quite agressive. More people=more tension and competition for resources

[–]KevinGilbert 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

Really, you think the population has a million open job openings?

[–]space-throwaway 14ポイント15ポイント  (45子コメント)

Did you know: Between 2011 and 2021, 30% of germany's working people will retire, but only 10% will get into working age.

[–]Commisar 61ポイント62ポイント  (25子コメント)

Let's hope Samad from Syria can instantly head to work for BMW then.....

[–]KungfuDojo 3ポイント4ポイント  (20子コメント)

Well to be honest chances for that are higher than for non existant children/workers.

[–]gorillaTanks 19ポイント20ポイント  (18子コメント)

Japan solved the problem with robots. They seem to be doing fine.

[–]giantjesus 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

In reddit's dream vision of Japan.

Japan has huge economic problems. Their GDP per capita is now less than what it was in 1995 while Germany's has grown by 50% in the same time frame.

[–]S7ormstalker 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's almost like an overweight economy became stagnant by having a country of 1.3B people offering cheap labor in mass for the past 25 years while the other had a huge economic benefit from currency shift.

[–]vanderbugger 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Japan has been in recession almost thirty years now. Great my foot.

[–]CAPS_4_FUN 28ポイント29ポイント  (13子コメント)

Start having more babies. For fuck's sake. Immigration is the worst way to go about increasing your own population. Our politicians would rather spend billions on illegal immigrants and "cultural training" programs, rather than putting that money towards German family formation programs. How much more obvious could this be, before all those conspiracy theories start making sense?

[–]rndmnck 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

Have to agree. Not sure about Germany, but generally the trend in wealthier countries has been it becomes increasingly difficult to afford children, therefore people have less, if any.

[–]tecavuzcu 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

If Germany really needed immigrants, I'm sure they could get at least a million ethnic Germans living in America, Canada, and South America to move back for the higher standard of living. It's like they are going out of their way to find all male, subsuharan immigrants.

[–]CAPS_4_FUN 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

They're going for the most fertile. They spend decades convincing European women that having babies and families is "oppressive", and instead are now importing millions who don't buy into that shit and will have large families despite the propaganda. Ironic really.

[–]tecavuzcu 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, my parents told me in school they always taught them about overpopulation and how families should only have two children. Now nobody talks about overpopulation anymore because it's only people who aren't white or asian having kids.

[–]giantjesus 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Birth rate of immigrant women in Germany is 1.6 compared to 1.3 for ethnic Germans, both far below replacement level.

It seems the low birth rate is contagious.

[–]critfist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pffft. You think they want kids? Germans, even young Germans don't want as much kids as they used to.

[–]Dame_Juden_Dench 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

and most of our jobs are becoming automated, but let's just bring in more immigrants, that won't cause any problems.

[–]doktormabuse 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Germany is an advanced economy. Do you really think functionally illiterate migrants can replace doctors, accountants, administrators, foremen, etc. just like that?
As for the jobs they can do, those will soon be automated with humans just monitoring every now and then or downright taken over by robots (who don't eat, don't sleep, don't demand any benefits, and cost less overall).

[–]lokisad__ 68ポイント69ポイント  (14子コメント)

Does democracy work like this? Nobody ask us in Europe if we want this or not.

All right, lets go back to Russia bashing

[–]Maemaebrother 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Here's how it works: Before an election, you check the parties' stance on immigration (among other things). Then, on voting day, you vote for the party who's dogma is closest to your own. If enough other people also agree with that dogma and vote for them, the party will form part of the government, maybe it will even get the majority of votes and become the ruling party! Then, the party will (best case) try its hardest to realize the goals it ran on, including the immigration policy you supported. That's how it works in democracies.

[–]giantjesus 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yes, representative democracy works like that.

[–]kimchifart 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

Its not representing.

[–]giantjesus 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

Then blame the politicians you elected, not the system. Organize mass protests to communicate how vehemently opposed you are to their policy. Democracy doesn't mean that you personally get to decide everything.

[–]Esiq 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Organize mass protests to communicate how vehemently opposed you are to their policy.

Spoken like a true armchairwarrior. Even if you organize a lot of people, you need a overwhelming majority to push for a change. In the Netherlands we are in the process to get a referendum against Ukraine joining the EU. Getting the votes is sponsored by a commercial organisation, and even then, it does not get any attention by our national state broadcasts. It takes a lot of money and people on your payroll and even then the exposure might be lower than required. If this referendum passes, then the government can still ignore the results without consequences.

You willingly oversimplify the problem to make a point. Maybe I am wrong, please tell me how many mass protests you organised for something you believe in.

[–]alpha69 65ポイント66ポイント  (5子コメント)

Do you want right wing nationalist parties to have a legit appeal? Because this is how to achieve it.

[–][deleted] 61ポイント62ポイント  (18子コメント)

They have no place in Europe. Germany should just say NO! Let those muslim countries put their money where their mouths are and let them in.

[–]japanrefugees 106ポイント107ポイント  (186子コメント)

How about this -- Europe has done it's fair share of taking in refugees in the past few years why not send the next few hundred thousand to Japan and South Korea. Japan only accepted SIX refugees in 2013. Those two rich countries do nothing to pull their weight.

[–]newprofile15 85ポイント86ポイント  (30子コメント)

Yeah, lucky for them that they don't care about being called xenophobic for excluding millions of indigent migrants.

[–]sooo_ 65ポイント66ポイント  (23子コメント)

I know right? Europeans act like someone is going to punish them for standing up for themselves. Who? Who is going to impose sanctions on the EU? Who will fine them? No one. Europe is afraid of something that doesn't exist. The EU has the world's largest economy, no one is going to do shit to them.

[–]suprarz 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

It could be guilt over the effects colonization had?

[–]EuchridEucrow 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm certain that's 90% of it. The left wing in Europe has been banging that drum for nigh on 50 fucking years.

[–]SuperDuper1969 77ポイント78ポイント  (50子コメント)

Lol Japan and South Korea will NEVER allow this to happen. Especially with right-wing governments currently in power. Besides how are the refugees gonna get there?

[–]LascielCoin 46ポイント47ポイント  (38子コメント)

I'm from Italy and I'm 100% sure that the majority of us, including the politicians, would gladly chip in for plane tickets.

I'm all for helping people in trouble but this burden is currently on a very small amount of EU countries and it really sucks for us.

[–]manbearbatman 10ポイント11ポイント  (34子コメント)

The difference is that Europe wanted to take in these migrants. South Korea already takes in refugees from North Korea and both South Korea and Japan shouldn't have to pay for Europe's mistake.

[–]Radaghast38 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

The mistake of being geographically proximate to a war zone?

[–]manbearbatman 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

No the mistake of letting these migrants come into their countries in massive numbers which led to even more migrants swarming into Europe.

[–]SinisterSintram 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

What are they supposed to do, put up a guarded fence along the entire mediterranean sea?

[–]manbearbatman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're not "supposed" to do anything. However by accepting these migrants they are encouraging more to come. If they don't want to have this migrant problem they should have turned them away whenever possible and deport any that make it through. If the migrants won't say where they came from send them to Libya.

[–]deadcat 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Plenty of people get to Australia, even though we have a pretty good moat.

[–]Mister-C 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you'll find that the number of people arriving illegally via boat to Australia is very low now. Those that attempt it are shipped to detention centers off shore.

[–]LuSull 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only people that get to Australia are ones they let in. No boat arrivals all year.

[–]ineedtotakeashit 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

No no no, you see Japan and South Korea have a right to preserve their heritage, history and culture.

[–]Flick1981 88ポイント89ポイント  (37子コメント)

They aren't obligated to bring any in.

[–]MurrayTheMonster 39ポイント40ポイント  (6子コメント)

..and the citizens of their country are probably better off for it.

[–]it_all_depends 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Aren't there any European laws and conventions that make it obligatory?

[–]PostingInPublic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fact there is. It's in the German constitution, article 16a. A lot of people lost their lives because our neighbouring countries wouldn't give asylum to them some 80 years ago, so it was written into our postwar constitution that we have to give asylum to "politically persecuted". It got watered down a lot in the meantime in the wake of the Schengen treaties.

[–]Snarfler 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

The question is why is it up to EVERY other country to pull their own weight but not the country these people are fleeing?

[–]manbearbatman 44ポイント45ポイント  (10子コメント)

They don't accept them because they don't want to. No one other than Europeans are pressuring Europe to accept those refugees. Europeans are just jealous that they fucked up and want to drag down every other first world nation with them.

[–]light4781 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, European countries are acting like standing up for themselves and doing what's right for their countries is an unspeakable crime, and that they're supposed to just take it. And that means every European country, even a country like Denmark for example is pressured to accept this problem onto their doorsteps.

[–]southorange 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Japanese and South Koreans are far too bright to fall for that "multiculturalism" bullshit.

[–]magnet105 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, they don't do this because there is no reason why they should or have to. The only thing that is pressuring Europe to do this is Europe itself. Unless Japan or South Korea feel that they simply do not have enough problems and would like to invite more problems to deal with it would be crazy if they did what Europe is doing.

[–]yipape 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those two countries are waaay too smart for this shit.. heard of the last Islamic threat or attack from within Japan? no? because there isn't any.

[–]huehu3 31ポイント32ポイント  (32子コメント)

Japan, Korea, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Quatar, the VAE how much refugees are they taking in? And thats not all, there is no human right that asylum seekers have to be taken in by the richest countries, all of Eastern Europe, China, large parts of Southeast asia, souther america, all safe. Where is the UNO calling for a worldwide response to the refugee crisis? Only there when they want to reprove Europe of its "duties" to refugees.

[–]give_me_shinies 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

Most refugees are actually in neighbouring countries, which are usually poor and unstable themselves. Eg: Most Somali refugees are in Kenya and Ethiopia; Syrians in Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan.

[–]sooo_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eastern Europe

Depends, some countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, they can barely take care of their own people or problems. They don't need extra thankless burden. One could even say these countries shouldn't have even gotten into the EU.

[–]Killroyomega 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do it the American way and only take the ones who can pay their own way or who have skills that would benefit society.

Why would you want Abdullah the Beggar when you can take Hamdi the Doctor?

[–]DukeofCaxias 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I know that once you are in heat of the moment people tend to forget what actually happened and is happening outside of where they live. Although when you use safe, it can mean quite a lot of things, I would agree with you that, specifically to "Souther America" they are indeed safe, but due to very different reasons you imply.

They are "safer" not because they are not receiving immigrants, all of of the American continent is formed by immigrants, what happened is that recently the US decided to change it's policy, and stop being a nation of immigrants, while the rest of the continent haven't. A quick search will show you that, look at Shakira¹, the most famous Colombian singer, is of Arab descent, Carlos Slim Helú²³, the Mexican that is currently the second richest man on Earth, the same, and the biggest population of arabs living outside of the Arab world is in Brazil, with approximately 10 million Arab descendants, while the US, in third, has about 3,5 million. And even with a far greater number of immigrants of the Arab countires than the US, they have none of the problems US has. So yes, "Souther America" is indeed safe, but it's because they treat immigrants and refugees as part of their population.

So, even better just to end this myth that "no other countries other then Europe and U.S. receive refugees or immigrants", take a look at the recent Haitian diaspora, that started, with greater speed, since the earthquake of 2010 in that country. Currently, there are more than 50 thousand Haitians living in Brazil, which leads to an average of 10 thousand Haitians entering that country per year, which is 20% higher than that of the total of asylum seekers accepted in Germany. But if you look at the amount of asylum seekers in the "Southern America" it's very low, because immigrants are strongly encouraged to not even ask for it, as more often than not the receiving country will just give them the paper they need to start working in the country, so they can as quickly as possible part of the nation. They are not treated as different, as people who need special care of the government. Usually NGOs help them in the beginning, so they adapt to their new country, but as soon as they want to call this new country their home they are welcomed as equal citizens.

tl;dr Immigration and refugees are happening all over the world, it's not a movement restricted to Europe and U.S. as you seem to imply. It's all a matter of how you decide to handle this movement, and quite honestly, it's just one more example of the failed Multiculturalism adopted by the EU. Oh, and just as a last tip, try not taking down governments and destabilize other countries, and you might actually get fewer immigrants.

Edit: the immigrant population and the rate that it increases in the US, is, to this day, very consistent to the historical average. I do believe that there is, as another user said, a myth that it's no longer an immigrant nation. I believe it's so because usually the opinions and comments you see are usually very hostile toward immigration, or in some cases also pretty radical in the other direction. I do stand corrected.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

stop being a nation of immigrants

Gigantic, blatantly false bullshit. The U.S. is receiving thousands of illegal immigrants every year across the border with Mexico and accepts more than 1,000,000 legally every year [1].

[1] http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jun/20/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-us-admits-1-million-immigrants-ye/

Where did this myth of "ebil anti-immigrant U.S." come from? The U.S., struggling with high unemployment and the destruction of the middle class as it is, should be reducing immigration, not filling itself with more Third World people who will compete with the poor and the working class for employment and drive down wages.

[–]Todda468 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's been floated that every nation should have a refugee quota to take in based on population and wealth, nations could pay others to take their quota as long as the people receive humane and fair treatment. But countries like japan would never agree to it.

[–]mpstar 138ポイント139ポイント  (61子コメント)

the change of the German society will really be disastrous,the economy,the crime,the political structure,housing traffic,,nothing positive,language,religion,etc

[–]notfunnyatall145134 76ポイント77ポイント  (12子コメント)

Its the same in Austria, alone this year they expect 1% of the entire countries current population to arrive in refugees. One full percent. And the reaction of the politics: loosening the so called "hate speech paragraph" to silence the people, massive 24/7 propaganda in the media ( on the 2 main gov founded tv channels you can easily watch 2-3 hours refugee only report & news every single day), and designing a new constitutional law that allows the gov to force refugees every community disregard of the federal state gov or the communities wishes ( and size) up to 1,5% of the inhabitants, but thats not a definite number, if they want they can raise it.

The cunts in the FPÖ ( right wing party) wont have to put up a single ad. The next election will turn into a disaster.

[–]probablyNOTtomclancy 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

Most of whom are economic migrants, essentially an invasion force.

This is far more than any culture can effectively integrate and all it will do is act as an enclave of the haves vs. have-nots and highlight the differences in attitudes and culture. We will see more rioting, either german citizens who feel estranged in their own country, or newcomers who (oddly) don't feel welcome..

[–]Kaffee_Cups 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

So I'm an expat living and working in Germany.

There were a number of anti-immigrant protests in the city I live in from a group called pegida and its local branch. There was such a massive police presence for their protection and enough of a local backlash that they've stopped coming around.

Yes, I've noticed that some of my co workers have started to voice disgruntled comments about immigrants. But that's all it is so far, I've heard worse from Canadians. I doubt that anything hostile will come from Germans out of accepting asylum seekers, given the history that Germans are still very aware of. Something incredibly drastic would need to happen for the country to turn against them on a level that would override the collective, automatic shame response that profiling a group of people evokes.

Behind closed doors they may voice their opinions, but outside the majority are -probably- going to grin and bear it.

[–]probablyNOTtomclancy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt that anything hostile will come from Germans out of accepting asylum seekers, given the history that Germans are still very aware of.

Political correctness will drive the country straight into the ground; and Germany, current Germans, have for far too long paid the price for the mistakes of their parents/grandparents.

Will the world finally be satisfied, appeased, when the economic and social powerhouse that is Germany is reduced to the same sluggishness plagued by other countries (BUT THANK GOD DIVERSE!) and settle into being another nation on the decline?

I'm not a politician so I don't need to be politically correct: the values that have been established and are constantly evolving in western nations, equality first and foremost, are viewed as some sort of affront to religious idealism elsewhere, especially in the middle east and africa. The migrants, and their multitude of children, are for the most part against these ideals.

What's wrong with keeping the peace by preventing close minded bigots from coming into the country? I know it's an odd concept, but intolerance of intolerance is the only thing I can think of....

If someone is against the principles that ensure personal freedom and protect people from persecution based on lifestyle, they shouldn't be allowed in. Modern nation states already have plenty of hold-outs to progress, they don't need to start importing more from elsewhere.

[–]AgentSmith27 74ポイント75ポイント  (50子コメント)

This is happening all over the world. Our leaders are letting basically opening up our borders. I want to know why this is happening now. The rest of the world has been a shit hole for thousands of years, and we had no trouble keeping people out. There has to be some agenda here.

[–]manofthewild07 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't understand why NO ONE is looking to fix the source of these problems. How terrible must these countries be if they're willing to risk the lives of their children to leave?

Why is no one willing to try to fix these crap countries so they don't have to leave in the first place!?

Its maddening.

[–]sooo_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because we can't. The west tried in the past but always failed. These countries have to fix themselves, so if you're really wondering why no one is fixing them, ask the migrants who chose to run away. Or maybe Islamic colonialism is their way of fixing things.

[–]MurrayTheMonster 67ポイント68ポイント  (25子コメント)

There is an agenda. Leftist leaders know that if these people are let in, they will eventually become citizens and vote more of their leftist friends into office. It's about personal gain at the expense of the rest of the population.

Look at southern California for an example. Full of illegal immigrants, very left leaning, and run by hispanic groups/mayors/etc.

[–]AgentSmith27 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm not sure its entirely leftist. In the US, the immigration crisis really started with the Bush administration and Republican control. I initially assumed that this was done so business owners could benefit from the ultra cheap labor. Then the Democrats did the same exact thing. I'm not sure if I agree with your premise though, since the vote payoff will only come for them in 20+ years. You could be right, but to me it seems strange that both parties are essentially selling out their existing populace... and this seems to be the case across Europe too.

[–]MurrayTheMonster 37ポイント38ポイント  (5子コメント)

Most of the current Republican candidates are against illegal immigration and call it what it is. Many of the Democratic candidates are for asylum for the undocumented workers as they like to call illegal border crossers.

Fewer to no sellouts on the Republican side.

[–]Smitebugee 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Aging population is going to cause a complete crash of first-world economies or massive cuts to any socialized systems if it continues.
Importing people younger than the average national age lowers the average wage, increases the tax base and makes it a non-issue for a few more years.

It's basically just passing the buck to the next generation to deal with it.

[–]thinkingdoing 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's part of globalization and neo-liberalism. Free trade, free markets, free movement of people.

There are pros and cons to this system, but since the end of WW2 and the Cold War this has been the agenda of the global business and political elites.

[–]manofthewild07 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its really going to have to be. Someday in the not too distant future, when most jobs have been automated or made obsolete, no one will have jobs and rich countries will have things like basic income and health care. That will cause an even greater influx of immigrants if the world political system doesn't somehow make that possible in their countries too.

[–]DandalfTheGreen 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

just what the fuck. this is how ultra nacionalistic regimes start. that is an insasne number. this smells like brewing a new war of some kind.

[–]kaptainkeel 33ポイント34ポイント  (26子コメント)

Do people not RTFA? This doesn't mean they will have 750,000 people moving to Germany. It says there will be up to 750,000 people requesting asylum.

[–]kcin 25ポイント26ポイント  (14子コメント)

Many people throw away their papers, so there is no way to check which country they come from. Where can they send back those to?

[–]imliterallydyinghere 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

for interfering with the asylum process this should fall back negatively on the applicants. right now it increases their chances for a stay

[–]FlygandeApa 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Throwing away dokuments should put them in prison until they reveal their identity. We shouldnt let people in if we have no clue who they are.

[–]HatefulRandom 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then you'd need to pay for them in prison. Also not ideal. Unless you mean create work prisons like in the U.S..

[–]try_____another 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could simply make the prison as horrible as where they're coming from (which seems to be the direction Australia is moving stepwise towards), so that no-one would choose to stay there unless they really were a genuine refugee.

[–]booyahkaka 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

IMO, it might be really easy to lie about their identity without anything to prove it. For example, I could say I was a deceased family member or deceased friend. It would be a relatively easy process that people can get away with simply by stealing another person's identity.

[–]giantjesus 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's possible to identify their origin by analyzing their speech although I've heard about cases where people claiming to come from Syria were rejected because their dialect was too obscure for the Syrian translators to recognize and they were classified as Armenians. Can't find the article right now.

[–]kcin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder if speech analysis has enough legal weight to send back people to specific countries.

[–]newprofile15 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

The people requesting asylum aren't exactly mailing their applications in from abroad. They are already IN Germany.

[–]Vermivorous 77ポイント78ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes and that's even worse, because those denied asylum aren't deported properly but instead they are staying in germany without a work permission nor anything else that would be useful to society. We germans just aren't consequent enough to deport them properly.

[–]giantjesus 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some of them. We do deport tens of thousands of rejected applicants and others leave on their own. Some are officially tolerated for a limited time which is often repeatedly extended. Some stay and work illegally hoping the authorities won't find them, their number is estimated to be about 100,000.

It's hard to tell how the rise in rejected applicants will be handled.

[–]Fluffiebunnie 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably more leave on their own than get deported. Germany doesn't deport more than a couple thousand a year when they should be deporting tens (soon hundreds) of thousands.

[–]XSplain 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do they survive without work permission? Is there an issue with German companies hiring illegal immigrants?

[–]sooo_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Germany has no capability to deport even half that in a timely manner, assuming that any significant number of those are denied in the first place. Either way they have to pay for their survival. And we haven't even addressed bureaucracy yet.

[–][deleted] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's hope there 95% denied.

[–]PandahOG 29ポイント30ポイント  (49子コメント)

Hey Germany; America here. You'll get used to it after a while because there is nothing you can do. You cant make any sincere and legitimate complaints without being labeled a racists or being sued. A lot of them will work and majority of those jobs will be "lower" class jobs so I wouldnt worry to much about burdens of the state.

Very few of them will learn German. The bright side is that in atleast 5+ years their children will speak their native language (which will be German) and speak the language of their parents. So you will finally be able to communicate!

The only big difference you guys will have compared to America is religion. Atleast our immigrants (the largest group of immigrants) are part of the same religion of the general populous.

[–]rel-oad 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

We've had the same game played on us here. The silent majority.

The difference ofcourse being Europe has experienced mass-immigration of muslims in particular and obviously these two cultures can never integrate.

[–]CAPS_4_FUN 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

A lot of them will work and majority of those jobs will be "lower" class jobs so I wouldnt worry to much about burdens of the state.

American here too. You have no idea what you're talking about. 50 million Hispanics we have here in the US, are a huge burden to our state. Why do so few people understand modern tax codes and how our entitlement system works? Just check this out:
Anyone making below $30,000/year pays a negative income tax in this country
Average per-capita income for Hispanics is $16,051

[–]vecnyj 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problems in Europe are worse, though, because Hispanics can pretty easily integrate in one generation.

European Muslims hold extreme views even after a generation or two.

[–]CAPS_4_FUN 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't care about integration. Europe is for Europeans. Limited immigration on an individual basis is fine. Mass replacement as it is happening right now on a massive scale, is not.

[–]Adolf_ghandi 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

German government just needs to concentrate more for this issue. They will find a way.

[–]Douchebag_Dave 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah they need to concentrate. Maybe build some concentration camps to... wait what

[–]killswithspoon 35ポイント36ポイント  (15子コメント)

As an American, it's going to be funny watching the same Europeans who for years called us "racist" for wanting to tighten our immigration policies deal with this. Good luck, guys!

[–]giantjesus 51ポイント52ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hint: Not all Europeans think the same way. The Europeans who are calling the US "racist" for trying to curb immigration are by and large not the same people as the ones who are complaining about immigrants in Europe.

[–]MurrayTheMonster 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep. It seems to be happening at a faster pace in Europe too.

We get to sit back and watch their culture be destroyed by immigrants who bring their way of life with them, drain the economies of the host nations by using their social services (healthcare, etc), and eventually out-breed and outnumber the native population.

[–]sebaceous_horsley 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Europe is highly multicultural. This isn't about cultures or racism. It's about logistics and infrastructure, and economy. If you purport to be 'colorblind', this actually makes sense. Just map out the circumstances with fictional countries and pretend everyone is exclusively white and blonde or black in both of them. It doesn't change anything about the negative impact. It just removes any sense of 'feelgood' you may get from damaging a system.

I believe it's been branded racist to have an identity and empathy for your living conditions. If these are being damaged by internal conditions, then people rebell. But as soon as it's the fault of a logistical change and immigrant influx, it just 'feels' better to try and accept everyone and brand everyone as full of hate. This is utopian thinking. While pleasant and desirable, it's not realistic.

[–]continuousQ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure American immigration has been that big of a subject in Europe for a while. Trying to picture the topic being brought up in some form, it's mostly US shows that pop up.

[–]Leatra 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man, and we took 2 millions in. It's like Migration Period in Modern ages.

[–]Prophet_of_vengeance 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

ppl already attack temporary places of asylum seekers, lets get more of them to split the society even more

[–]RaJOA 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

EU has to learn say "No". This is the only way how to stop this bull shit.

[–]Usagii_YO 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since China is the biggest financier in Africa, it should be up to China to start accepted these refugees.

[–]giantjesus 18ポイント19ポイント  (14子コメント)

750,000 asylum seekers over half of which come from safe countries like Serbia, Macedonia or Kosovo. Nevertheless that would be a ridiculously high number, even higher than the number from 1992. The current estimate for 2015 is 450,000.

The interior ministry declined to comment on the figures reported in the Handelsblatt but is set to issue its latest predictions this week.

Will be interesting to see what number they report. I think it's safe to say that the record from 1992 is going to be broken in 2015.

[–]B00tyWarrior 20ポイント21ポイント  (8子コメント)

Wow, wow, easy there. They did not come from Serbia, Macedonia or Kosovo. Most of them are just passing by thru these countries to get to Northern parts of Europe and their origin is Asian. The country at fault is Turkey. They do literally nothing to prevent this and 80% of immigrants pass from Turkey to Europe. On the opposite Intelligence Agencies state that Turkey is helping them get to Europe. And why wouldn't they? Isalmization of Europe would be an huge benefit to them and surely they don't want to keep them...

[–][deleted] 60ポイント61ポイント  (22子コメント)

Just say no. Why even let one person in? This is why left wing politics are so dangerous. Time for a revolution.

[–]CrimsonHarmony 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would assume ethics come into play.

Either accept that some people are running to safety, and we should help them if able or take the stance that the rest of the world can go fuck itself. In my mind it would boil down to something like:

"I feel as though my country will go down the drain if your family is let in little girl, go back to the desert and get raped or killed, I don't care it's not my problem".

You can assimilate immigrants into your culture and have the country improve as a result but the post-immigration process needs to be very comprehensive. Language, laws, schools.

It requires vigilance and diligence, neither is easy on this scale.

[–]neverlaid 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Receive" sounds so much better. "Oh look a gift!. We've received 750,000 people! They can't speak our language and want to save us by converting us to their religion. How fun!!, thanks Africa!"

[–]Justthetipsenpai 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Christ almighty that's to much.

[–]pepperjohnson 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I couldn't imagine. That's crazy

[–]Leader2light 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rip Germany. Hell rip all of Europe. USA is next!

[–]CAPS_4_FUN 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Europe - start having babies or you will all be replaced in a 100 years.

[–]looklistencreate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So how many of these do they intend to accept?

[–]Loki-L 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To put this in a bit more perspective:

Those are asylum seekers. People who want Asylum, not necessarily those who get it.

If someone from a country where there is currently a war going on wants asylum they usually get it. If they are just economic refugees they usually don't. Asylum seekers from Syria are almost guaranteed to be allowed to stay as long as it not safe to send them back. Asylum seekers from the Balkans will be sent back 99 times out of 100.

Last year there were about 200,000 asylum seekers in Germany. They expected 300,000 this year at the beginning of 2015. They have since upped that number to 450,000. The new report speaks of 650,000 to 750,000 asylum seekers.

Measures are being put into place to accelerate the process of sending back those who come from countries deemed safe and to discourage people from coming here when they won't have a chance of being granted asylum anyway.

There is also a lot of talk about distributing the asylum seekers more fairly around the EU/Schengen area, but neither the other countries nor the asylum seekers are very keen on that.

[–]jtt123 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

GG Germany

[–]SadHominem 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That white guilt tho.

[–]LtSlow 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is when Germany snaps and starts opening the camps up again.

If there's one thing Europe should learn it's don't flood their country with ethnic groups the population isn't too keen on.

[–]space-throwaway -3ポイント-2ポイント  (11子コメント)

So much shitty comments here. Germany had similar asylum seeking numbers in the 90's during the jugoslavia-conflict. And guess what? Most of the asylum seekers got denied. Germany granted 200.000 persons asylum in the last 20 years. This is just fear mongering again. Also, random fucking funfact: If the European Union was to take in all 50 million refugees that currently exist in our world, there would still be 90% europeans be here in europe.

[–]BrawndoTTM 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

There aren't even close to 90% Europeans in Europe NOW.

[–]sooo_ 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the European Union was to take in all 50 million refugees that currently exist in our world, there would still be 90% europeans be here in europe.

Source. No, you get it, you made the claim, do your fuckin homework.

[–]Usagii_YO 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sweden lets in around 90,000 a year.

[–]CAPS_4_FUN 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

You must be joking right? Germany alone is 17% non-German among its young. Spain is even worse. Italy is getting "less Italian" by the day. UK is finished. Europe will be 50% non-European in 20 years at this pace. You need to check your numbers.

[–]jaammyjames 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good luck with that

[–]OxGordonGekkoxO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The decline of the west so it continues. Soon country after country will have their secular unreligious population replaced by a fanatical religious one. God is smiling at the irony.

[–]ForFUCKSSAKE_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the first six months of the year, Germany saw 150 arson or other attacks that damaged or destroyed refugee shelters, nearly as many as in the whole of last year. Many have taken place in former Communist eastern states.

TIL, and how many will be accepted?